* RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Timothy Breitenfeldt
@ ` Don Raikes
` Don Raikes
` Janina Sajka
2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Don Raikes @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Tim,
Kali is actually a debian derrative. I am not certain that the espeak packages are installed or that speech dispatcher is installed/configured on kali.
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Breitenfeldt [mailto:timothyjb310@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:23 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
Hi, my apologies for not being clear in my last post. I am using Kali because I want to learn about the security tools Kali has. I will keep in mind that arch is a better option for this though.
The output of
locate speakup.ko
/lib/modules/4.12.0-kali1-amd66/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup /speakup.ko
For now, I am just looking to get eSpeak working on it, my goal is to install voxin, which is what I am using for orca right now.
Kali does have built in support for a talking installer using speakup.
I believe Kali is very similar to Debian, if that helps at all.
TJ Breitenfeldt
On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Kali is an odd choice for someone just wanting a console-based linux distro.
> Ubuntu server is another good choice.
>
> If, however you are looking for security tools then kali is a good choice.
> The kali installer is accessible since it is based on the debian
> talking installer. I haven't checked lately but if I remember right
> speakup does not come pre-installed in kali, although I hope to be
> working on a custom kali version that will be more accessible (when I have a few minutes).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:13 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
> So, I have to ask, why Kali Linux, specifically? It's strikes me as a
> rather oddball choice.
>
>
> The post you reference below isn't particularly pertinent to running
> Speakup, and you still haven't told us whether Kali comes with
> Speakup, or whether it's on you to add it into the installation. Once
> again, what's the output of:
>
> locate speakup.ko
>
> Suggestion: You may have much more success with a distribution like
> Arch which supports Speakup out of the box, and which has a talking
> installation
> available:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.archlinux.or
> g_index.php_TalkingArch&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65
> eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2
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> 0Owg2o&e=
>
> If you go this way you'll only have the console unless you explicitly
> install a GUI desktop.
>
> There are other choices, but the above is a good way to get to a
> functioning system with minimul fuss.
>
> Janina
>
> Timothy Breitenfeldt writes:
>> Thank you for the replies. I am still fairly new to using Linux, I am
>> a computer science major and am currently taking a C and unix class
>> right now. I now feel comfortable enough with the basics to switch to
>> using only a shell for access. I have played with Linux for a while,
>> and have always preferred the console over Gnome desktop GUI for
>> accessibility. I have almost no vision, and am currently using orca.
>>
>> Here is the link to the post I referred to on getting speakup running
>> on Kali.
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o
>> r
>> g_pipermail_speakup_2015-2DMay_058755.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHv
>> l
>> ZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZ
>> p
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>>
>> I followed all of the instructions here, and saw no change. Speakup
>> never came up talking at the bootup screen. I tried typing speakup
>> into the terminal while in gnome, but it didn't recognize the command.
>>
>> I don't know much about the kernel yet, it is something I will learn
>> next quarter along with other operating system concepts.
>>
>> Thank you for the tip on switching to console mode. I would assume
>> that I can switch back to Gnome using the same shortcut I used to
>> switched to console mode (ctrl+alt+ 1-6)?
>>
>> Can someone take a look at this post and see if you can help?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>
>> On 1/27/18, Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> wrote:
>> > To answer the other portion of your query, to move from a gui
>> > console to a text console just type control-alt-f1 or any other of
>> > the function keys from 1 to six. You can learn to kill off gnome
>> > and gdm at a later point if you find you're happy using console mode.
>> >
>> > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Okash Khawaja wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Timothy,
>> >>
>> >> Welcome to speakup :)
>> >>
>> >> There is
>> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
>> >> p.org_spkguide.txt&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65e
>> >> apI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e
>> >> 9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=2x78Ze1FfDGA2IUei89_yMxCCO9K_R
>> >> nin6X8pL2i0yU&e=
>> >> which should help.
>> >> Basically you need two kernel modules loaded. One is speakup.ko
>> >> and the other depends upon which synthesizer you want to use. So
>> >> for example for Apollo you'll need speakup_apollo.ko. You can also
>> >> use software synth speakup_soft.ko if you don't have a hardware synth.
>> >> All supported synths are mentioned in spkguide linked above.
>> >>
>> >> If it's a hardware synth then the two kernel modules is all you need.
>> >> If it's speakup_soft.ko then some user-space text-to-speech
>> >> software will be required. If you can explain where you're getting
>> >> stuck then we can help more :)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >> Okash
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt
>> >> <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hi, i recently installed Kali onto an old laptop. I would really
>> >>> like to just run Kali in console mode and completely ignore the
>> >>> GUI .To do this, I know I need speakup. I found a couple
>> >>> refferences in the archives for this mailing list, but I couldn't
>> >>> get it to work with the instructions given. Does anyone have any
>> >>> suggestions on how to get speakup running on Kali, as well as how
>> >>> to switch from Gnome desktop to just a console?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Speakup mailing list
>> >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeak
>> >>> u
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>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
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>> > --
>> > Well that's it then, colour me secure!
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>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Timothy Breitenfeldt
` Don Raikes
@ ` Don Raikes
` Timothy Breitenfeldt
` Janina Sajka
2 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Don Raikes @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Tim,
A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal preference is to use the mate desktop but that is because I got started in Linux under the old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten used to the new unity/gnome3 interface.
Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate with orca to work, so I am trying to debug that problem.
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Breitenfeldt [mailto:timothyjb310@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:23 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
Hi, my apologies for not being clear in my last post. I am using Kali because I want to learn about the security tools Kali has. I will keep in mind that arch is a better option for this though.
The output of
locate speakup.ko
/lib/modules/4.12.0-kali1-amd66/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup /speakup.ko
For now, I am just looking to get eSpeak working on it, my goal is to install voxin, which is what I am using for orca right now.
Kali does have built in support for a talking installer using speakup.
I believe Kali is very similar to Debian, if that helps at all.
TJ Breitenfeldt
On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Kali is an odd choice for someone just wanting a console-based linux distro.
> Ubuntu server is another good choice.
>
> If, however you are looking for security tools then kali is a good choice.
> The kali installer is accessible since it is based on the debian
> talking installer. I haven't checked lately but if I remember right
> speakup does not come pre-installed in kali, although I hope to be
> working on a custom kali version that will be more accessible (when I have a few minutes).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:13 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
> So, I have to ask, why Kali Linux, specifically? It's strikes me as a
> rather oddball choice.
>
>
> The post you reference below isn't particularly pertinent to running
> Speakup, and you still haven't told us whether Kali comes with
> Speakup, or whether it's on you to add it into the installation. Once
> again, what's the output of:
>
> locate speakup.ko
>
> Suggestion: You may have much more success with a distribution like
> Arch which supports Speakup out of the box, and which has a talking
> installation
> available:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.archlinux.or
> g_index.php_TalkingArch&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65
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>
> If you go this way you'll only have the console unless you explicitly
> install a GUI desktop.
>
> There are other choices, but the above is a good way to get to a
> functioning system with minimul fuss.
>
> Janina
>
> Timothy Breitenfeldt writes:
>> Thank you for the replies. I am still fairly new to using Linux, I am
>> a computer science major and am currently taking a C and unix class
>> right now. I now feel comfortable enough with the basics to switch to
>> using only a shell for access. I have played with Linux for a while,
>> and have always preferred the console over Gnome desktop GUI for
>> accessibility. I have almost no vision, and am currently using orca.
>>
>> Here is the link to the post I referred to on getting speakup running
>> on Kali.
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o
>> r
>> g_pipermail_speakup_2015-2DMay_058755.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHv
>> l
>> ZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZ
>> p
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>> f
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>>
>> I followed all of the instructions here, and saw no change. Speakup
>> never came up talking at the bootup screen. I tried typing speakup
>> into the terminal while in gnome, but it didn't recognize the command.
>>
>> I don't know much about the kernel yet, it is something I will learn
>> next quarter along with other operating system concepts.
>>
>> Thank you for the tip on switching to console mode. I would assume
>> that I can switch back to Gnome using the same shortcut I used to
>> switched to console mode (ctrl+alt+ 1-6)?
>>
>> Can someone take a look at this post and see if you can help?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>
>> On 1/27/18, Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> wrote:
>> > To answer the other portion of your query, to move from a gui
>> > console to a text console just type control-alt-f1 or any other of
>> > the function keys from 1 to six. You can learn to kill off gnome
>> > and gdm at a later point if you find you're happy using console mode.
>> >
>> > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Okash Khawaja wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Timothy,
>> >>
>> >> Welcome to speakup :)
>> >>
>> >> There is
>> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
>> >> p.org_spkguide.txt&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65e
>> >> apI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e
>> >> 9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=2x78Ze1FfDGA2IUei89_yMxCCO9K_R
>> >> nin6X8pL2i0yU&e=
>> >> which should help.
>> >> Basically you need two kernel modules loaded. One is speakup.ko
>> >> and the other depends upon which synthesizer you want to use. So
>> >> for example for Apollo you'll need speakup_apollo.ko. You can also
>> >> use software synth speakup_soft.ko if you don't have a hardware synth.
>> >> All supported synths are mentioned in spkguide linked above.
>> >>
>> >> If it's a hardware synth then the two kernel modules is all you need.
>> >> If it's speakup_soft.ko then some user-space text-to-speech
>> >> software will be required. If you can explain where you're getting
>> >> stuck then we can help more :)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >> Okash
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt
>> >> <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hi, i recently installed Kali onto an old laptop. I would really
>> >>> like to just run Kali in console mode and completely ignore the
>> >>> GUI .To do this, I know I need speakup. I found a couple
>> >>> refferences in the archives for this mailing list, but I couldn't
>> >>> get it to work with the instructions given. Does anyone have any
>> >>> suggestions on how to get speakup running on Kali, as well as how
>> >>> to switch from Gnome desktop to just a console?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Speakup mailing list
>> >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeak
>> >>> u
>> >>> p.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaW
>> >>> H
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>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
>> >> p
>> >> .org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHv
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Well that's it then, colour me secure!
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>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.
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>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o
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>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Don Raikes
@ ` Timothy Breitenfeldt
` Zachary Kline
0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Timothy Breitenfeldt @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not
command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch linux
vm and play with that.
I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is probably
not the best to do that with.
Thanks for all of the replies,
TJ Breitenfeldt
On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal preference is
> to use the mate desktop but that is because I got started in Linux under the
> old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten used to the new unity/gnome3
> interface.
>
> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate with orca
> to work, so I am trying to debug that problem.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Breitenfeldt [mailto:timothyjb310@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:23 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
> Hi, my apologies for not being clear in my last post. I am using Kali
> because I want to learn about the security tools Kali has. I will keep in
> mind that arch is a better option for this though.
>
> The output of
> locate speakup.ko
>
> /lib/modules/4.12.0-kali1-amd66/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup /speakup.ko
>
> For now, I am just looking to get eSpeak working on it, my goal is to
> install voxin, which is what I am using for orca right now.
> Kali does have built in support for a talking installer using speakup.
> I believe Kali is very similar to Debian, if that helps at all.
>
> TJ Breitenfeldt
>
> On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Kali is an odd choice for someone just wanting a console-based linux
>> distro.
>> Ubuntu server is another good choice.
>>
>> If, however you are looking for security tools then kali is a good choice.
>> The kali installer is accessible since it is based on the debian
>> talking installer. I haven't checked lately but if I remember right
>> speakup does not come pre-installed in kali, although I hope to be
>> working on a custom kali version that will be more accessible (when I have
>> a few minutes).
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:13 AM
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>>
>> So, I have to ask, why Kali Linux, specifically? It's strikes me as a
>> rather oddball choice.
>>
>>
>> The post you reference below isn't particularly pertinent to running
>> Speakup, and you still haven't told us whether Kali comes with
>> Speakup, or whether it's on you to add it into the installation. Once
>> again, what's the output of:
>>
>> locate speakup.ko
>>
>> Suggestion: You may have much more success with a distribution like
>> Arch which supports Speakup out of the box, and which has a talking
>> installation
>> available:
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.archlinux.or
>> g_index.php_TalkingArch&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65
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>>
>> If you go this way you'll only have the console unless you explicitly
>> install a GUI desktop.
>>
>> There are other choices, but the above is a good way to get to a
>> functioning system with minimul fuss.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Timothy Breitenfeldt writes:
>>> Thank you for the replies. I am still fairly new to using Linux, I am
>>> a computer science major and am currently taking a C and unix class
>>> right now. I now feel comfortable enough with the basics to switch to
>>> using only a shell for access. I have played with Linux for a while,
>>> and have always preferred the console over Gnome desktop GUI for
>>> accessibility. I have almost no vision, and am currently using orca.
>>>
>>> Here is the link to the post I referred to on getting speakup running
>>> on Kali.
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o
>>> r
>>> g_pipermail_speakup_2015-2DMay_058755.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHv
>>> l
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>>> f
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>>>
>>> I followed all of the instructions here, and saw no change. Speakup
>>> never came up talking at the bootup screen. I tried typing speakup
>>> into the terminal while in gnome, but it didn't recognize the command.
>>>
>>> I don't know much about the kernel yet, it is something I will learn
>>> next quarter along with other operating system concepts.
>>>
>>> Thank you for the tip on switching to console mode. I would assume
>>> that I can switch back to Gnome using the same shortcut I used to
>>> switched to console mode (ctrl+alt+ 1-6)?
>>>
>>> Can someone take a look at this post and see if you can help?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>>
>>> On 1/27/18, Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> wrote:
>>> > To answer the other portion of your query, to move from a gui
>>> > console to a text console just type control-alt-f1 or any other of
>>> > the function keys from 1 to six. You can learn to kill off gnome
>>> > and gdm at a later point if you find you're happy using console mode.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Okash Khawaja wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Timothy,
>>> >>
>>> >> Welcome to speakup :)
>>> >>
>>> >> There is
>>> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
>>> >> p.org_spkguide.txt&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65e
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>>> >> nin6X8pL2i0yU&e=
>>> >> which should help.
>>> >> Basically you need two kernel modules loaded. One is speakup.ko
>>> >> and the other depends upon which synthesizer you want to use. So
>>> >> for example for Apollo you'll need speakup_apollo.ko. You can also
>>> >> use software synth speakup_soft.ko if you don't have a hardware synth.
>>> >> All supported synths are mentioned in spkguide linked above.
>>> >>
>>> >> If it's a hardware synth then the two kernel modules is all you need.
>>> >> If it's speakup_soft.ko then some user-space text-to-speech
>>> >> software will be required. If you can explain where you're getting
>>> >> stuck then we can help more :)
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers!
>>> >> Okash
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt
>>> >> <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Hi, i recently installed Kali onto an old laptop. I would really
>>> >>> like to just run Kali in console mode and completely ignore the
>>> >>> GUI .To do this, I know I need speakup. I found a couple
>>> >>> refferences in the archives for this mailing list, but I couldn't
>>> >>> get it to work with the instructions given. Does anyone have any
>>> >>> suggestions on how to get speakup running on Kali, as well as how
>>> >>> to switch from Gnome desktop to just a console?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Speakup mailing list
>>> >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeak
>>> >>> u
>>> >>> p.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaW
>>> >>> H
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>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>>> >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
>>> >> p
>>> >> .org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHv
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>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Well that's it then, colour me secure!
>>> >
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>>> > =nrPH
>>> > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Speakup mailing list
>>> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.
>>> > org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZ
>>> > Y
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>>> > p
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>>> > M
>>> > MsbC16KKZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e=
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o
>>> r
>>> g_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8P
>>> Z
>>> h8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m
>>> =
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>>> K
>>> ZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e=
>>
>> --
>>
>> Janina Sajka
>>
>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>> Executive Chair, Accessibility
>> Workgroup: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=PXVu7U_kanhN-aKcPDscAHyyaf7GhLU-wRpu7umHkEM&e=
>>
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
>> (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform
>> Architectures https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=BGkV5BqduYuktvO4jol1R-9R9DWYFbBP-C4fHDOgiPE&e=
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.or
>> g_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZ
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>> ZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e= _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.or
>> g_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZ
>> h8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=
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>> jsiJzW_2EEYVVXjasPw&e=
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Timothy Breitenfeldt
@ ` Zachary Kline
` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
From personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a command-line environment as you’re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD works very well for installing, and you’re left with a setup which is minimal and easy to learn from.
I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that.
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not
> command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch linux
> vm and play with that.
>
> I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is probably
> not the best to do that with.
>
> Thanks for all of the replies,
>
> TJ Breitenfeldt
>
> On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
>> Tim,
>>
>> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal preference is
>> to use the mate desktop but that is because I got started in Linux under the
>> old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten used to the new unity/gnome3
>> interface.
>>
>> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate with orca
>> to work, so I am trying to debug that problem.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Timothy Breitenfeldt [mailto:timothyjb310@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:23 AM
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>>
>> Hi, my apologies for not being clear in my last post. I am using Kali
>> because I want to learn about the security tools Kali has. I will keep in
>> mind that arch is a better option for this though.
>>
>> The output of
>> locate speakup.ko
>>
>> /lib/modules/4.12.0-kali1-amd66/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup /speakup.ko
>>
>> For now, I am just looking to get eSpeak working on it, my goal is to
>> install voxin, which is what I am using for orca right now.
>> Kali does have built in support for a talking installer using speakup.
>> I believe Kali is very similar to Debian, if that helps at all.
>>
>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>
>> On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Kali is an odd choice for someone just wanting a console-based linux
>>> distro.
>>> Ubuntu server is another good choice.
>>>
>>> If, however you are looking for security tools then kali is a good choice.
>>> The kali installer is accessible since it is based on the debian
>>> talking installer. I haven't checked lately but if I remember right
>>> speakup does not come pre-installed in kali, although I hope to be
>>> working on a custom kali version that will be more accessible (when I have
>>> a few minutes).
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:13 AM
>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>>>
>>> So, I have to ask, why Kali Linux, specifically? It's strikes me as a
>>> rather oddball choice.
>>>
>>>
>>> The post you reference below isn't particularly pertinent to running
>>> Speakup, and you still haven't told us whether Kali comes with
>>> Speakup, or whether it's on you to add it into the installation. Once
>>> again, what's the output of:
>>>
>>> locate speakup.ko
>>>
>>> Suggestion: You may have much more success with a distribution like
>>> Arch which supports Speakup out of the box, and which has a talking
>>> installation
>>> available:
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.archlinux.or
>>> g_index.php_TalkingArch&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65
>>> eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2
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>>> 0Owg2o&e=
>>>
>>> If you go this way you'll only have the console unless you explicitly
>>> install a GUI desktop.
>>>
>>> There are other choices, but the above is a good way to get to a
>>> functioning system with minimul fuss.
>>>
>>> Janina
>>>
>>> Timothy Breitenfeldt writes:
>>>> Thank you for the replies. I am still fairly new to using Linux, I am
>>>> a computer science major and am currently taking a C and unix class
>>>> right now. I now feel comfortable enough with the basics to switch to
>>>> using only a shell for access. I have played with Linux for a while,
>>>> and have always preferred the console over Gnome desktop GUI for
>>>> accessibility. I have almost no vision, and am currently using orca.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the link to the post I referred to on getting speakup running
>>>> on Kali.
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o
>>>> r
>>>> g_pipermail_speakup_2015-2DMay_058755.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHv
>>>> l
>>>> ZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZ
>>>> p
>>>> 9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=vmyx_v68qcFfCRezo
>>>> f
>>>> UMWegnKnffKCl31dEy6rITmwc&e=
>>>>
>>>> I followed all of the instructions here, and saw no change. Speakup
>>>> never came up talking at the bootup screen. I tried typing speakup
>>>> into the terminal while in gnome, but it didn't recognize the command.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know much about the kernel yet, it is something I will learn
>>>> next quarter along with other operating system concepts.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the tip on switching to console mode. I would assume
>>>> that I can switch back to Gnome using the same shortcut I used to
>>>> switched to console mode (ctrl+alt+ 1-6)?
>>>>
>>>> Can someone take a look at this post and see if you can help?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>>>
>>>> On 1/27/18, Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> wrote:
>>>>> To answer the other portion of your query, to move from a gui
>>>>> console to a text console just type control-alt-f1 or any other of
>>>>> the function keys from 1 to six. You can learn to kill off gnome
>>>>> and gdm at a later point if you find you're happy using console mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Okash Khawaja wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Timothy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome to speakup :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
>>>>>> p.org_spkguide.txt&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65e
>>>>>> apI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e
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>>>>>> nin6X8pL2i0yU&e=
>>>>>> which should help.
>>>>>> Basically you need two kernel modules loaded. One is speakup.ko
>>>>>> and the other depends upon which synthesizer you want to use. So
>>>>>> for example for Apollo you'll need speakup_apollo.ko. You can also
>>>>>> use software synth speakup_soft.ko if you don't have a hardware synth.
>>>>>> All supported synths are mentioned in spkguide linked above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's a hardware synth then the two kernel modules is all you need.
>>>>>> If it's speakup_soft.ko then some user-space text-to-speech
>>>>>> software will be required. If you can explain where you're getting
>>>>>> stuck then we can help more :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>> Okash
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt
>>>>>> <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, i recently installed Kali onto an old laptop. I would really
>>>>>>> like to just run Kali in console mode and completely ignore the
>>>>>>> GUI .To do this, I know I need speakup. I found a couple
>>>>>>> refferences in the archives for this mailing list, but I couldn't
>>>>>>> get it to work with the instructions given. Does anyone have any
>>>>>>> suggestions on how to get speakup running on Kali, as well as how
>>>>>>> to switch from Gnome desktop to just a console?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeak
>>>>>>> u
>>>>>>> p.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaW
>>>>>>> H
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>>>>>>> b GvnzzG0MMsbC16KKZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e=
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
>>>>>> p
>>>>>> .org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHv
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>>>>>> z zG0MMsbC16KKZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Well that's it then, colour me secure!
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.
>>>>> org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZ
>>>>> Y
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>>>>> MsbC16KKZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e=
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o
>>>> r
>>>> g_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8P
>>>> Z
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>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Janina Sajka
>>>
>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility
>>> Workgroup: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=PXVu7U_kanhN-aKcPDscAHyyaf7GhLU-wRpu7umHkEM&e=
>>>
>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
>>> (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform
>>> Architectures https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=BGkV5BqduYuktvO4jol1R-9R9DWYFbBP-C4fHDOgiPE&e=
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.or
>>> g_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZ
>>> h8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=
>>> EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=vgv29pCbGvnzzG0MMsbC16KK
>>> ZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e= _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.or
>>> g_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZ
>>> h8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=
>>> qkyvZTC5ljsPb-N6J979QuHTeBgn-fA0C7I9nqdVzzM&s=1MMykkeDIZcMufXQWsrXk7PK
>>> jsiJzW_2EEYVVXjasPw&e=
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=qkyvZTC5ljsPb-N6J979QuHTeBgn-fA0C7I9nqdVzzM&s=1MMykkeDIZcMufXQWsrXk7PKjsiJzW_2EEYVVXjasPw&e=
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Zachary Kline
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Don Raikes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I would further suggest that whatever gui-based security tools Kali
provides may, or may not be accessible to use.
Regardless, they're all going to drive configurations you can access
from the console. A short, not necessarily comprehensive list off the
top of my head would include:
selinux and it's settings
iptables and ip6tables
journalctl (for log access)
Work the above with grep and maybe awk, and you'll be a power user
before long regardless of what some gui tool might, or might not do.
You'll be doing more, actually.
So, the notion to get Speakup working on the console is absolutely the
right notion. If you have a braille display you can add into the mix,
absolutely check out brltty. The two would make a highly persuasive
combination, and you a security expert if you stick to it and read the
source texts.
What you will NOT have is data visualization. For that I'm afraid the
solutions are a bit more expirimental, though there is sonification that
might help. How to do that on Linux, I don't know, but I think I know
who to send you to to ask. So, speak up, as it were! <grin>
Just my suggestion.
Janina
Zachary Kline writes:
> >From personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a command-line environment as you’re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD works very well for installing, and you’re left with a setup which is minimal and easy to learn from.
> I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that.
>
> > On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not
> > command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch linux
> > vm and play with that.
> >
> > I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is probably
> > not the best to do that with.
> >
> > Thanks for all of the replies,
> >
> > TJ Breitenfeldt
> >
> > On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal preference is
> >> to use the mate desktop but that is because I got started in Linux under the
> >> old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten used to the new unity/gnome3
> >> interface.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate with orca
> >> to work, so I am trying to debug that problem.
... Trimmed to meet the list's reqs ...
--
Janina Sajka
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Don Raikes
` Glenn At Home
0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Don Raikes @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Another option and one which I have used for learning the console-based kali tools and to get familiar with Linux in general would be to run kali in a docker container. If you use jaws or nvda on windows, you can run a kalilinux docker container and interact with it using the windows screenreader.
I know that takes things like Speakup and brltty out of the mix, but it is a quick and dirty solution.
-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:15 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
I would further suggest that whatever gui-based security tools Kali provides may, or may not be accessible to use.
Regardless, they're all going to drive configurations you can access from the console. A short, not necessarily comprehensive list off the top of my head would include:
selinux and it's settings
iptables and ip6tables
journalctl (for log access)
Work the above with grep and maybe awk, and you'll be a power user before long regardless of what some gui tool might, or might not do.
You'll be doing more, actually.
So, the notion to get Speakup working on the console is absolutely the right notion. If you have a braille display you can add into the mix, absolutely check out brltty. The two would make a highly persuasive combination, and you a security expert if you stick to it and read the source texts.
What you will NOT have is data visualization. For that I'm afraid the solutions are a bit more expirimental, though there is sonification that might help. How to do that on Linux, I don't know, but I think I know who to send you to to ask. So, speak up, as it were! <grin>
Just my suggestion.
Janina
Zachary Kline writes:
> >From personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a command-line environment as you’re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD works very well for installing, and you’re left with a setup which is minimal and easy to learn from.
> I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that.
>
> > On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not
> > command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch
> > linux vm and play with that.
> >
> > I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is
> > probably not the best to do that with.
> >
> > Thanks for all of the replies,
> >
> > TJ Breitenfeldt
> >
> > On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal
> >> preference is to use the mate desktop but that is because I got
> >> started in Linux under the old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten
> >> used to the new unity/gnome3 interface.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate
> >> with orca to work, so I am trying to debug that problem.
... Trimmed to meet the list's reqs ...
--
Janina Sajka
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=CoUZu05INmmJ-VvCt978ozYtqk71txhTLc_WQDf0XUs&e=
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=PUVUp8CIk2PO8jidituoaDV_177cwY5_75vYNpiSeYo&e=
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Don Raikes
@ ` Glenn At Home
` Justin Skists
` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Glenn At Home @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell in
Windows 10?
I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular windows
command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
Another option and one which I have used for learning the console-based kali
tools and to get familiar with Linux in general would be to run kali in a
docker container. If you use jaws or nvda on windows, you can run a
kalilinux docker container and interact with it using the windows
screenreader.
I know that takes things like Speakup and brltty out of the mix, but it is a
quick and dirty solution.
-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:15 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
I would further suggest that whatever gui-based security tools Kali provides
may, or may not be accessible to use.
Regardless, they're all going to drive configurations you can access from
the console. A short, not necessarily comprehensive list off the top of my
head would include:
selinux and it's settings
iptables and ip6tables
journalctl (for log access)
Work the above with grep and maybe awk, and you'll be a power user before
long regardless of what some gui tool might, or might not do.
You'll be doing more, actually.
So, the notion to get Speakup working on the console is absolutely the right
notion. If you have a braille display you can add into the mix, absolutely
check out brltty. The two would make a highly persuasive combination, and
you a security expert if you stick to it and read the source texts.
What you will NOT have is data visualization. For that I'm afraid the
solutions are a bit more expirimental, though there is sonification that
might help. How to do that on Linux, I don't know, but I think I know who to
send you to to ask. So, speak up, as it were! <grin>
Just my suggestion.
Janina
Zachary Kline writes:
> >From personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a command-line
> >environment as you’re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD works very well
> >for installing, and you’re left with a setup which is minimal and easy to
> >learn from.
> I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that.
>
> > On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt
> > <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not
> > command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch
> > linux vm and play with that.
> >
> > I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is
> > probably not the best to do that with.
> >
> > Thanks for all of the replies,
> >
> > TJ Breitenfeldt
> >
> > On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal
> >> preference is to use the mate desktop but that is because I got
> >> started in Linux under the old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten
> >> used to the new unity/gnome3 interface.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate
> >> with orca to work, so I am trying to debug that problem.
... Trimmed to meet the list's reqs ...
--
Janina Sajka
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=CoUZu05INmmJ-VvCt978ozYtqk71txhTLc_WQDf0XUs&e=
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=PUVUp8CIk2PO8jidituoaDV_177cwY5_75vYNpiSeYo&e=
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Glenn At Home
@ ` Justin Skists
` Janina Sajka
` Don Raikes
` Janina Sajka
1 sibling, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Justin Skists @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn At Home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell in
> Windows 10?
It's generally Ubuntu (userspace only) by default, but I believe that
you can set it up with others (SuSE, etc).
> I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular windows
> command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
The speakup kernel driver won't work, as the Bash on Windows doesn't
use a Linux kernel. But, being a standard windows console, it might
work with Microsoft tools.
Justin.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Justin Skists
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Don Raikes
1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.; +Cc: Glenn At Home
Justin Skists writes:
> > I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular windows
> > command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
>
> The speakup kernel driver won't work, as the Bash on Windows doesn't
> use a Linux kernel. But, being a standard windows console, it might
> work with Microsoft tools.
>
It does. I'm alternating between NVDA and Narrator.
Janina
--
Janina Sajka
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Justin Skists
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Don Raikes
` Zachary Kline
` (2 more replies)
1 sibling, 3 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Don Raikes @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux., Glenn At Home
I just checked and the bash on windows shell does not speak with jaws nor does the vi editor.
-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Skists [mailto:j.skists@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:09 AM
To: Glenn At Home <glennervin@cableone.net>; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
> Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell
> in Windows 10?
It's generally Ubuntu (userspace only) by default, but I believe that you can set it up with others (SuSE, etc).
> I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular
> windows command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
The speakup kernel driver won't work, as the Bash on Windows doesn't use a Linux kernel. But, being a standard windows console, it might work with Microsoft tools.
Justin.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Don Raikes
@ ` Zachary Kline
` Jason White
` Janina Sajka
2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I think it depends how you launch it. I have a speaking Ubuntu instance working quite well here. I installed it from the Microsoft Store.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM> wrote:
>
> I just checked and the bash on windows shell does not speak with jaws nor does the vi editor.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Skists [mailto:j.skists@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:09 AM
> To: Glenn At Home <glennervin@cableone.net>; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
>> Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell
>> in Windows 10?
>
> It's generally Ubuntu (userspace only) by default, but I believe that you can set it up with others (SuSE, etc).
>
>
>> I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular
>> windows command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
>
> The speakup kernel driver won't work, as the Bash on Windows doesn't use a Linux kernel. But, being a standard windows console, it might work with Microsoft tools.
>
>
> Justin.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Don Raikes
` Zachary Kline
@ ` Jason White
` Janina Sajka
` Janina Sajka
2 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Jason White @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.',
'Glenn At Home'
It does for me (requires NVDA, or JAWS version 2018 build 1712.10, and Windows 10 version 1709).
Speakup on a real Linux machine is better, of course, but I find myself using Windows Subsystem for Linux frequently these days so that I can switch between it and the GUI desktop without having to switch machines or reboot - and without requiring virtualization.
In my view, there's still nothing more accessible, or even as accessible to screen reader users than the Linux console environment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Don Raikes
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 11:36 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>; Glenn At Home <glennervin@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
I just checked and the bash on windows shell does not speak with jaws nor does the vi editor.
-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Skists [mailto:j.skists@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:09 AM
To: Glenn At Home <glennervin@cableone.net>; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
> Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell
> in Windows 10?
It's generally Ubuntu (userspace only) by default, but I believe that you can set it up with others (SuSE, etc).
> I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular
> windows command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
The speakup kernel driver won't work, as the Bash on Windows doesn't use a Linux kernel. But, being a standard windows console, it might work with Microsoft tools.
Justin.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Jason White
@ ` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Jason White writes:
... snip ...
> Speakup on a real Linux machine is better, of course, but I find myself using Windows Subsystem for Linux frequently these days so that I can switch between it and the GUI desktop without having to switch machines or reboot - and without requiring virtualization.
>
Yes, that's the use case behind this. A lot of developers are liking
bash on Windows for just this.
> In my view, there's still nothing more accessible, or even as accessible to screen reader users than the Linux console environment.
>
Amen to that!
Janina
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Don Raikes
> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 11:36 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>; Glenn At Home <glennervin@cableone.net>
> Subject: RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
> I just checked and the bash on windows shell does not speak with jaws nor does the vi editor.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Skists [mailto:j.skists@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:09 AM
> To: Glenn At Home <glennervin@cableone.net>; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
> > Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell
> > in Windows 10?
>
> It's generally Ubuntu (userspace only) by default, but I believe that you can set it up with others (SuSE, etc).
>
>
> > I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular
> > windows command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
>
> The speakup kernel driver won't work, as the Bash on Windows doesn't use a Linux kernel. But, being a standard windows console, it might work with Microsoft tools.
>
>
> Justin.
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The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Don Raikes
` Zachary Kline
` Jason White
@ ` Janina Sajka
2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.; +Cc: Glenn At Home
Don:
You should update your JAWS to the very latest. I have it on good
authority they've put in specific support.
Don Raikes writes:
> I just checked and the bash on windows shell does not speak with jaws nor does the vi editor.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Skists [mailto:j.skists@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:09 AM
> To: Glenn At Home <glennervin@cableone.net>; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
> > Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell
> > in Windows 10?
>
> It's generally Ubuntu (userspace only) by default, but I believe that you can set it up with others (SuSE, etc).
>
>
> > I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular
> > windows command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
>
> The speakup kernel driver won't work, as the Bash on Windows doesn't use a Linux kernel. But, being a standard windows console, it might work with Microsoft tools.
>
>
> Justin.
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The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Glenn At Home
` Justin Skists
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Zachary Kline
1 sibling, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn At Home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
You have a choice. Currently, there's only Ubuntu and two Suse variants,
but they've promissed to expand their offerings. See this article:
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/11/new-distros-coming-to-bashwsl-via-windows-store/
I've heard rumors of more--like Arch.
I'm currently running Ubuntu in a recently installed Windows 10 on a
2014 era Mac Airbook BootCamp partition. Biggest disappointment so far
is no audio support--it's simply not wired in.
Janina
Glenn At Home writes:
> Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell in
> Windows 10?
> I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular windows
> command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:41 AM
> Subject: RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
>
> Another option and one which I have used for learning the console-based kali
> tools and to get familiar with Linux in general would be to run kali in a
> docker container. If you use jaws or nvda on windows, you can run a
> kalilinux docker container and interact with it using the windows
> screenreader.
>
> I know that takes things like Speakup and brltty out of the mix, but it is a
> quick and dirty solution.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:15 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>
> I would further suggest that whatever gui-based security tools Kali provides
> may, or may not be accessible to use.
>
> Regardless, they're all going to drive configurations you can access from
> the console. A short, not necessarily comprehensive list off the top of my
> head would include:
>
> selinux and it's settings
> iptables and ip6tables
> journalctl (for log access)
>
> Work the above with grep and maybe awk, and you'll be a power user before
> long regardless of what some gui tool might, or might not do.
> You'll be doing more, actually.
>
> So, the notion to get Speakup working on the console is absolutely the right
> notion. If you have a braille display you can add into the mix, absolutely
> check out brltty. The two would make a highly persuasive combination, and
> you a security expert if you stick to it and read the source texts.
>
> What you will NOT have is data visualization. For that I'm afraid the
> solutions are a bit more expirimental, though there is sonification that
> might help. How to do that on Linux, I don't know, but I think I know who to
> send you to to ask. So, speak up, as it were! <grin>
>
> Just my suggestion.
>
> Janina
>
> Zachary Kline writes:
> > >From personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a command-line
> > >environment as you’re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD works very well
> > >for installing, and you’re left with a setup which is minimal and easy to
> > >learn from.
> > I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that.
> >
> > > On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt
> > > <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not
> > > command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch
> > > linux vm and play with that.
> > >
> > > I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is
> > > probably not the best to do that with.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all of the replies,
> > >
> > > TJ Breitenfeldt
> > >
> > > On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
> > >> Tim,
> > >>
> > >> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal
> > >> preference is to use the mate desktop but that is because I got
> > >> started in Linux under the old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten
> > >> used to the new unity/gnome3 interface.
> > >>
> > >> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate
> > >> with orca to work, so I am trying to debug that problem.
>
> ... Trimmed to meet the list's reqs ...
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=CoUZu05INmmJ-VvCt978ozYtqk71txhTLc_WQDf0XUs&e=
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=PUVUp8CIk2PO8jidituoaDV_177cwY5_75vYNpiSeYo&e=
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Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Zachary Kline
0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Funny you mention this, I just installed it last night myself. My use case is probably a bit less serious than most, and I still have my full Linux system(s), but it’s still a nice thing to have around.
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>
> You have a choice. Currently, there's only Ubuntu and two Suse variants,
> but they've promissed to expand their offerings. See this article:
>
> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/11/new-distros-coming-to-bashwsl-via-windows-store/
>
> I've heard rumors of more--like Arch.
>
> I'm currently running Ubuntu in a recently installed Windows 10 on a
> 2014 era Mac Airbook BootCamp partition. Biggest disappointment so far
> is no audio support--it's simply not wired in.
>
> Janina
>
>
> Glenn At Home writes:
>> Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell in
>> Windows 10?
>> I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular windows
>> command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:41 AM
>> Subject: RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>>
>>
>> Another option and one which I have used for learning the console-based kali
>> tools and to get familiar with Linux in general would be to run kali in a
>> docker container. If you use jaws or nvda on windows, you can run a
>> kalilinux docker container and interact with it using the windows
>> screenreader.
>>
>> I know that takes things like Speakup and brltty out of the mix, but it is a
>> quick and dirty solution.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:15 AM
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
>>
>> I would further suggest that whatever gui-based security tools Kali provides
>> may, or may not be accessible to use.
>>
>> Regardless, they're all going to drive configurations you can access from
>> the console. A short, not necessarily comprehensive list off the top of my
>> head would include:
>>
>> selinux and it's settings
>> iptables and ip6tables
>> journalctl (for log access)
>>
>> Work the above with grep and maybe awk, and you'll be a power user before
>> long regardless of what some gui tool might, or might not do.
>> You'll be doing more, actually.
>>
>> So, the notion to get Speakup working on the console is absolutely the right
>> notion. If you have a braille display you can add into the mix, absolutely
>> check out brltty. The two would make a highly persuasive combination, and
>> you a security expert if you stick to it and read the source texts.
>>
>> What you will NOT have is data visualization. For that I'm afraid the
>> solutions are a bit more expirimental, though there is sonification that
>> might help. How to do that on Linux, I don't know, but I think I know who to
>> send you to to ask. So, speak up, as it were! <grin>
>>
>> Just my suggestion.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Zachary Kline writes:
>>>> From personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a command-line
>>>> environment as you’re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD works very well
>>>> for installing, and you’re left with a setup which is minimal and easy to
>>>> learn from.
>>> I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that.
>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt
>>>> <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not
>>>> command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch
>>>> linux vm and play with that.
>>>>
>>>> I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is
>>>> probably not the best to do that with.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all of the replies,
>>>>
>>>> TJ Breitenfeldt
>>>>
>>>> On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal
>>>>> preference is to use the mate desktop but that is because I got
>>>>> started in Linux under the old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten
>>>>> used to the new unity/gnome3 interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate
>>>>> with orca to work, so I am trying to debug that problem.
>>
>> ... Trimmed to meet the list's reqs ...
>>
>> --
>>
>> Janina Sajka
>>
>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=CoUZu05INmmJ-VvCt978ozYtqk71txhTLc_WQDf0XUs&e=
>>
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=PUVUp8CIk2PO8jidituoaDV_177cwY5_75vYNpiSeYo&e=
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>
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* Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
` Timothy Breitenfeldt
` Don Raikes
` Don Raikes
@ ` Janina Sajka
2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
OK. This isn't bad, actually.
You do have Speakup. That's good.
Your kernel is a bit old, and that could matter especially vis a vis the
recently published Intel exploits which has most of us trying to keep
our kernels very up to date. My arch is currently on 4.14.15, installed
yesterday.
Forget voxin. If you get it and it works, great. But it's ancient code
relying on ancient C++ libraries. Best to focus on espeak.
And, for espeak, see if you have the command:
spd-say
You should be able to hear output from a command like:
spd-say "hello world"
If that works, your next step is to get espeakup installed and wired in.
This is the connector between espeak and Speakup. It's not the same as
how Orca TTS support is wired in.
hth
Janina
PS: Still prefer arch, but you might be almost there with Kali after
all.
Janina
Timothy Breitenfeldt writes:
> Hi, my apologies for not being clear in my last post. I am using Kali
> because I want to learn about the security tools Kali has. I will keep
> in mind that arch is a better option for this though.
>
> The output of
> locate speakup.ko
>
> /lib/modules/4.12.0-kali1-amd66/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup /speakup.ko
>
> For now, I am just looking to get eSpeak working on it, my goal is to
> install voxin, which is what I am using for orca right now.
> Kali does have built in support for a talking installer using speakup.
> I believe Kali is very similar to Debian, if that helps at all.
>
> TJ Breitenfeldt
>
> On 1/30/18, Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Kali is an odd choice for someone just wanting a console-based linux distro.
> > Ubuntu server is another good choice.
> >
> > If, however you are looking for security tools then kali is a good choice.
> > The kali installer is accessible since it is based on the debian talking
> > installer. I haven't checked lately but if I remember right speakup does
> > not come pre-installed in kali, although I hope to be working on a custom
> > kali version that will be more accessible (when I have a few minutes).
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:13 AM
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> > Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux
> >
> > So, I have to ask, why Kali Linux, specifically? It's strikes me as a rather
> > oddball choice.
> >
> >
> > The post you reference below isn't particularly pertinent to running
> > Speakup, and you still haven't told us whether Kali comes with Speakup, or
> > whether it's on you to add it into the installation. Once again, what's the
> > output of:
> >
> > locate speakup.ko
> >
> > Suggestion: You may have much more success with a distribution like Arch
> > which supports Speakup out of the box, and which has a talking installation
> > available:
> >
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.archlinux.org_index.php_TalkingArch&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=JUxYZ5Z1WwEmJvd1TAXM8buhPH2soZMlw95_z0Owg2o&e=
> >
> > If you go this way you'll only have the console unless you explicitly
> > install a GUI desktop.
> >
> > There are other choices, but the above is a good way to get to a functioning
> > system with minimul fuss.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Timothy Breitenfeldt writes:
> >> Thank you for the replies. I am still fairly new to using Linux, I am
> >> a computer science major and am currently taking a C and unix class
> >> right now. I now feel comfortable enough with the basics to switch to
> >> using only a shell for access. I have played with Linux for a while,
> >> and have always preferred the console over Gnome desktop GUI for
> >> accessibility. I have almost no vision, and am currently using orca.
> >>
> >> Here is the link to the post I referred to on getting speakup running on
> >> Kali.
> >>
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.or
> >> g_pipermail_speakup_2015-2DMay_058755.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvl
> >> ZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp
> >> 9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=vmyx_v68qcFfCRezof
> >> UMWegnKnffKCl31dEy6rITmwc&e=
> >>
> >> I followed all of the instructions here, and saw no change. Speakup
> >> never came up talking at the bootup screen. I tried typing speakup
> >> into the terminal while in gnome, but it didn't recognize the command.
> >>
> >> I don't know much about the kernel yet, it is something I will learn
> >> next quarter along with other operating system concepts.
> >>
> >> Thank you for the tip on switching to console mode. I would assume
> >> that I can switch back to Gnome using the same shortcut I used to
> >> switched to console mode (ctrl+alt+ 1-6)?
> >>
> >> Can someone take a look at this post and see if you can help?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> TJ Breitenfeldt
> >>
> >> On 1/27/18, Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> wrote:
> >> > To answer the other portion of your query, to move from a gui
> >> > console to a text console just type control-alt-f1 or any other of
> >> > the function keys from 1 to six. You can learn to kill off gnome and
> >> > gdm at a later point if you find you're happy using console mode.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Okash Khawaja wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Timothy,
> >> >>
> >> >> Welcome to speakup :)
> >> >>
> >> >> There is
> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.org_spkguide.txt&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=2x78Ze1FfDGA2IUei89_yMxCCO9K_Rnin6X8pL2i0yU&e=
> >> >> which should help.
> >> >> Basically you need two kernel modules loaded. One is speakup.ko and
> >> >> the other depends upon which synthesizer you want to use. So for
> >> >> example for Apollo you'll need speakup_apollo.ko. You can also use
> >> >> software synth speakup_soft.ko if you don't have a hardware synth.
> >> >> All supported synths are mentioned in spkguide linked above.
> >> >>
> >> >> If it's a hardware synth then the two kernel modules is all you need.
> >> >> If it's speakup_soft.ko then some user-space text-to-speech
> >> >> software will be required. If you can explain where you're getting
> >> >> stuck then we can help more :)
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers!
> >> >> Okash
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt
> >> >> <timothyjb310@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Hi, i recently installed Kali onto an old laptop. I would really
> >> >>> like to just run Kali in console mode and completely ignore the
> >> >>> GUI .To do this, I know I need speakup. I found a couple
> >> >>> refferences in the archives for this mailing list, but I couldn't
> >> >>> get it to work with the instructions given. Does anyone have any
> >> >>> suggestions on how to get speakup running on Kali, as well as how
> >> >>> to switch from Gnome desktop to just a console?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> TJ Breitenfeldt
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>> Speakup mailing list
> >> >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> >> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeaku
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> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup
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> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Well that's it then, colour me secure!
> >> >
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> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka
> >
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility
> > Workgroup: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=PXVu7U_kanhN-aKcPDscAHyyaf7GhLU-wRpu7umHkEM&e=
> >
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Chair, Accessible Platform
> > Architectures https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=EiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=BGkV5BqduYuktvO4jol1R-9R9DWYFbBP-C4fHDOgiPE&e=
> >
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Janina Sajka
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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