From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C34B11EFAA8; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:13:11 -0500 (EST) Authentication-Results: befuddled.reisers.ca; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=speedpost.net header.i=@speedpost.net header.b="EdcXFxLY"; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b="K+/7UcAi"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F28791EF9CB for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA98E20B4C for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:13:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=speedpost.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=qGbNwd+sMqUy/emupYVUSS1XKKPEk pO25aOpFayKgcw=; b=EdcXFxLYog5yxaTfyyYBF6FUEZS69HpsYDfs0y8fJgjl3 0t/HGSqywptb4S6cFs1lErFpTyCl4I5aLHXPqRu14pf9C5FD2l8r4q5HVIDY09d3 U2l3Y1JvTWvw2FeeEdi2hfOANjXTkm54U4D0sZDc+2hDw2odQpaE2eziwXaaN+eF bVQV4Crg8E+lLWzbn3MSmDjx1fofsTDEknoiukwSsSkxrzsstNSvofcoO+9l3970 unX/ujfIl5R0udgpCbLQlY/y1/xQjyvisJ8TP9I/F5+pRoQS6MFMl+Nr3/MxONLH gZZ8/EbaJxqjYX74tpukLD5SI7ELhCyRbmuzjbWuQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=qGbNwd +sMqUy/emupYVUSS1XKKPEkpO25aOpFayKgcw=; b=K+/7UcAik4niwxdbswWNlf tFQm4OAELbDfjeM+kBBzDU+j0iDI9n8S0PczAM/1xsZADIPj7RnwX+qV+5IdT6lT IXB75CnzJ22DESctjOk0kaBL3PYt2zu4iTCa9nngbIO1x2jykyeXJeGTmobLu6ET rXPaF5uAnf0u4P9ml6YQwM4pWRdjnWZKN34wPNAMzgNLjU113cXTLuVTeLxO5t07 IcR4GiRErIwgWIoa+gpqvADJtGPHG4NJG5cAREqu0XRTdwTMt6YXmWMAodz596xc d0BOQneaJB+jvVZ3y4oWlZ5pbPgqBzooO4UDQJDaafiImXqdB8UQDaHXHC/t5aXQ == X-ME-Sender: Received: from [10.0.0.126] (c-73-53-115-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.53.115.215]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 32FDF2463E for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:13:07 -0500 (EST) From: Zachary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 06:13:05 -0800 References: <20180130141246.GC16373@rednote.net> <3fdc3c08-c1fc-4f8e-a303-0282553fc3ed@default> <20180131151440.GH15026@rednote.net> <8fcf1a3a-c78e-43d2-a45b-1c22a5f33068@default> <2426D8A6C8B340F59BAFF83988604D6E@NUCPPYH> <20180201135330.GF16373@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." In-Reply-To: <20180201135330.GF16373@rednote.net> Message-Id: <6F9CFB2D-3294-4815-B285-BE6D27BC12D1@speedpost.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.24 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 14:13:11 -0000 Funny you mention this, I just installed it last night myself. My use = case is probably a bit less serious than most, and I still have my full = Linux system(s), but it=E2=80=99s still a nice thing to have around. > On Feb 1, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Janina Sajka wrote: >=20 > You have a choice. Currently, there's only Ubuntu and two Suse = variants, > but they've promissed to expand their offerings. See this article: >=20 > = https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/11/new-distros-coming= -to-bashwsl-via-windows-store/ >=20 > I've heard rumors of more--like Arch. >=20 > I'm currently running Ubuntu in a recently installed Windows 10 on a > 2014 era Mac Airbook BootCamp partition. Biggest disappointment so far > is no audio support--it's simply not wired in. >=20 > Janina >=20 >=20 > Glenn At Home writes: >> Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command = shell in=20 >> Windows 10? >> I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular = windows=20 >> command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed. >> Glenn >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "Don Raikes" >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."=20 >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:41 AM >> Subject: RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux >>=20 >>=20 >> Another option and one which I have used for learning the = console-based kali=20 >> tools and to get familiar with Linux in general would be to run kali = in a=20 >> docker container. If you use jaws or nvda on windows, you can run a=20= >> kalilinux docker container and interact with it using the windows=20 >> screenreader. >>=20 >> I know that takes things like Speakup and brltty out of the mix, but = it is a=20 >> quick and dirty solution. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:15 AM >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. = >> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux >>=20 >> I would further suggest that whatever gui-based security tools Kali = provides=20 >> may, or may not be accessible to use. >>=20 >> Regardless, they're all going to drive configurations you can access = from=20 >> the console. A short, not necessarily comprehensive list off the top = of my=20 >> head would include: >>=20 >> selinux and it's settings >> iptables and ip6tables >> journalctl (for log access) >>=20 >> Work the above with grep and maybe awk, and you'll be a power user = before=20 >> long regardless of what some gui tool might, or might not do. >> You'll be doing more, actually. >>=20 >> So, the notion to get Speakup working on the console is absolutely = the right=20 >> notion. If you have a braille display you can add into the mix, = absolutely=20 >> check out brltty. The two would make a highly persuasive combination, = and=20 >> you a security expert if you stick to it and read the source texts. >>=20 >> What you will NOT have is data visualization. For that I'm afraid the=20= >> solutions are a bit more expirimental, though there is sonification = that=20 >> might help. How to do that on Linux, I don't know, but I think I know = who to=20 >> send you to to ask. So, speak up, as it were! >>=20 >> Just my suggestion. >>=20 >> Janina >>=20 >> Zachary Kline writes: >>>> =46rom personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a = command-line=20 >>>> environment as you=E2=80=99re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD = works very well=20 >>>> for installing, and you=E2=80=99re left with a setup which is = minimal and easy to=20 >>>> learn from. >>> I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that. >>>=20 >>>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt=20 >>>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not >>>> command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch >>>> linux vm and play with that. >>>>=20 >>>> I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is >>>> probably not the best to do that with. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks for all of the replies, >>>>=20 >>>> TJ Breitenfeldt >>>>=20 >>>> On 1/30/18, Don Raikes wrote: >>>>> Tim, >>>>>=20 >>>>> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal >>>>> preference is to use the mate desktop but that is because I got >>>>> started in Linux under the old gnome 2 interface and haven't = gotten >>>>> used to the new unity/gnome3 interface. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate >>>>> with orca to work, so I am trying to debug that problem. >>=20 >> ... Trimmed to meet the list's reqs ... >>=20 >> --=20 >>=20 >> Janina Sajka >>=20 >> Linux Foundation Fellow >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:=20 >> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__a11y.org&d=3DDwIGaQ&= c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pV= A2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=3DwylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=3D= CoUZu05INmmJ-VvCt978ozYtqk71txhTLc_WQDf0XUs&e=3D >>=20 >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative = (WAI) >> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures=20 >> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d= =3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1= BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=3DwylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5= kv9Ow&s=3DPUVUp8CIk2PO8jidituoaDV_177cwY5_75vYNpiSeYo&e=3D >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.org_= cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8= Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=3Dwy= lHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=3DPUkbL5frVNf0MCWkXcdYGq6jSuX5= 37HQxFSpvH-g1Fg&e=3D >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Janina Sajka >=20 > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >=20 > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative = (WAI) > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures = http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup