From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DB3B81EFAA8; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:53:50 -0500 (EST) Authentication-Results: befuddled.reisers.ca; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=rednote.net header.i=@rednote.net header.b="VYasPEIc"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe70:e783]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E33E1EF9CB for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:53:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w11DrUSr018161 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 1 Feb 2018 13:53:30 GMT DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 opera.rednote.net w11DrUSr018161 Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=rednote.net Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=janina@rednote.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 opera.rednote.net w11DrUSr018161 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1517493211; bh=EPK1L7g/Pe+p2c98NjxkOlt1txQYqGwih3YlF0rPHSM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=VYasPEIceapsVFI5JVYaf5zVOBnGowJmQQOeoBNRc1UZv+ikoSXR8sPBnXPExcAUn lyEMZWJJvT+VhwadN4KzyctHTT6H9Nnz7cQEDl9VbyhSiBS/fAT4LxD3bQ7NRQcbNn IrqtDB+PROr2mCcoiLpa3f/b3XdU5hJ3Ty0YmjBE= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id w11DrUBC018160; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:53:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:53:30 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: Glenn At Home , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux Message-ID: <20180201135330.GF16373@rednote.net> References: <20180130141246.GC16373@rednote.net> <3fdc3c08-c1fc-4f8e-a303-0282553fc3ed@default> <20180131151440.GH15026@rednote.net> <8fcf1a3a-c78e-43d2-a45b-1c22a5f33068@default> <2426D8A6C8B340F59BAFF83988604D6E@NUCPPYH> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2426D8A6C8B340F59BAFF83988604D6E@NUCPPYH> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.14.12-x86_64-linode92 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.24 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 13:53:51 -0000 You have a choice. Currently, there's only Ubuntu and two Suse variants, but they've promissed to expand their offerings. See this article: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/11/new-distros-coming-to-bashwsl-via-windows-store/ I've heard rumors of more--like Arch. I'm currently running Ubuntu in a recently installed Windows 10 on a 2014 era Mac Airbook BootCamp partition. Biggest disappointment so far is no audio support--it's simply not wired in. Janina Glenn At Home writes: > Does anyone know which Linux Microsoft is running in the command shell in > Windows 10? > I wonder if the Windows screenreader works like it does in a regular windows > command shell, or if SpeakUp needs to be installed. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Raikes" > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:41 AM > Subject: RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux > > > Another option and one which I have used for learning the console-based kali > tools and to get familiar with Linux in general would be to run kali in a > docker container. If you use jaws or nvda on windows, you can run a > kalilinux docker container and interact with it using the windows > screenreader. > > I know that takes things like Speakup and brltty out of the mix, but it is a > quick and dirty solution. > -----Original Message----- > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:15 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux > > I would further suggest that whatever gui-based security tools Kali provides > may, or may not be accessible to use. > > Regardless, they're all going to drive configurations you can access from > the console. A short, not necessarily comprehensive list off the top of my > head would include: > > selinux and it's settings > iptables and ip6tables > journalctl (for log access) > > Work the above with grep and maybe awk, and you'll be a power user before > long regardless of what some gui tool might, or might not do. > You'll be doing more, actually. > > So, the notion to get Speakup working on the console is absolutely the right > notion. If you have a braille display you can add into the mix, absolutely > check out brltty. The two would make a highly persuasive combination, and > you a security expert if you stick to it and read the source texts. > > What you will NOT have is data visualization. For that I'm afraid the > solutions are a bit more expirimental, though there is sonification that > might help. How to do that on Linux, I don't know, but I think I know who to > send you to to ask. So, speak up, as it were! > > Just my suggestion. > > Janina > > Zachary Kline writes: > > >From personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a command-line > > >environment as you’re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD works very well > > >for installing, and you’re left with a setup which is minimal and easy to > > >learn from. > > I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that. > > > > > On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt > > > wrote: > > > > > > That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not > > > command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch > > > linux vm and play with that. > > > > > > I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is > > > probably not the best to do that with. > > > > > > Thanks for all of the replies, > > > > > > TJ Breitenfeldt > > > > > > On 1/30/18, Don Raikes wrote: > > >> Tim, > > >> > > >> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal > > >> preference is to use the mate desktop but that is because I got > > >> started in Linux under the old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten > > >> used to the new unity/gnome3 interface. > > >> > > >> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate > > >> with orca to work, so I am trying to debug that problem. > > ... Trimmed to meet the list's reqs ... > > -- > > Janina Sajka > > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=CoUZu05INmmJ-VvCt978ozYtqk71txhTLc_WQDf0XUs&e= > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=PUVUp8CIk2PO8jidituoaDV_177cwY5_75vYNpiSeYo&e= > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=wylHmyi3t20HT5HOCW9f3_t2qU1up5TLjM9-u5kv9Ow&s=PUkbL5frVNf0MCWkXcdYGq6jSuX537HQxFSpvH-g1Fg&e= > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa