From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0020D1EFABD; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 11:56:47 -0500 (EST) Authentication-Results: befuddled.reisers.ca; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=speedpost.net header.i=@speedpost.net header.b="A19eEAeW"; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b="BA/IFJ84"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0AEB1EF9CB for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 11:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F37211D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 11:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 30 Jan 2018 11:56:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=speedpost.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=JsJCUPQflCfUFqJjnZ1EkI/+XsRPu ibAbgip2GLnqf8=; b=A19eEAeWguraEzWmzMbPTQSh0MY1iT8NkQNyCgWNxFf8j sa2bt5P8VX4PsS6indVrkiTiTXNfbNNf4dILVPtWCwUmhNw9UAfTrwOvj3GyKObW LxOesg80RcWup3VcJFmnA3hBJLd6s1SoLU1ENjdLHTXm3S9UaQkBJctfc12iSY+S mAN7iKEmUExaMFnFSA2Wt9mawevLWyJ8o5k8FfdJOSYJIzyHI8ThEujQ4Io33MzE BAVxvsdGhqDW2qEmBBkbydA0Ov7zR8s3QBFSzp7n6T2PXXQpOz8mn2hLVhzIyRGt pPoxy4GIEgBkUvazWMmDod4nktZv89e6HEhhasYmQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=JsJCUP QflCfUFqJjnZ1EkI/+XsRPuibAbgip2GLnqf8=; b=BA/IFJ844g2zwt+rGbRmZ6 1G5OL4ISyUD4tvgz+Msn9kGakzMSck6Y88MJx6sLt9LJL6wUtziAObs9rXJLITcs p/Lu438ujaiSJOJdR/j+H+zYoCWl0DS0sHMaRq0x7J78KijQpc299USj4l6aKwd9 UDcKUg9mjhcnlRql9JOfbL3HwGjQMWd4w1P6/Nk+oZPg/vlsNv/G6gfBicVTJCBz 9uWXuOymudhEw87sY3AsaV3MgZJtyQTQ2HkVTPaB3dBihb8gHeq4Y26nrPfFjliN uz+mQf9ofpy5C6bb9mlCqepKp/B3RStGB/yMHWXw1RtkCU5Zb0S0pcACQcVQ50hw == X-ME-Sender: Received: from [10.0.0.126] (c-73-53-115-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.53.115.215]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 24DF824640 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 11:56:40 -0500 (EST) From: Zachary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 08:56:38 -0800 References: <20180130141246.GC16373@rednote.net> <3fdc3c08-c1fc-4f8e-a303-0282553fc3ed@default> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.24 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:56:48 -0000 =46rom personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a = command-line environment as you=E2=80=99re likely to get. The = TalkingArch CD works very well for installing, and you=E2=80=99re left = with a setup which is minimal and easy to learn from.=20 I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that. > On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt = wrote: >=20 > That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not > command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch linux > vm and play with that. >=20 > I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is probably > not the best to do that with. >=20 > Thanks for all of the replies, >=20 > TJ Breitenfeldt >=20 > On 1/30/18, Don Raikes wrote: >> Tim, >>=20 >> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal = preference is >> to use the mate desktop but that is because I got started in Linux = under the >> old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten used to the new unity/gnome3 >> interface. >>=20 >> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate = with orca >> to work, so I am trying to debug that problem. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Timothy Breitenfeldt [mailto:timothyjb310@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:23 AM >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. = >> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux >>=20 >> Hi, my apologies for not being clear in my last post. I am using Kali >> because I want to learn about the security tools Kali has. I will = keep in >> mind that arch is a better option for this though. >>=20 >> The output of >> locate speakup.ko >>=20 >> /lib/modules/4.12.0-kali1-amd66/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup = /speakup.ko >>=20 >> For now, I am just looking to get eSpeak working on it, my goal is to >> install voxin, which is what I am using for orca right now. >> Kali does have built in support for a talking installer using = speakup. >> I believe Kali is very similar to Debian, if that helps at all. >>=20 >> TJ Breitenfeldt >>=20 >> On 1/30/18, Don Raikes wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> Kali is an odd choice for someone just wanting a console-based linux >>> distro. >>> Ubuntu server is another good choice. >>>=20 >>> If, however you are looking for security tools then kali is a good = choice. >>> The kali installer is accessible since it is based on the debian >>> talking installer. I haven't checked lately but if I remember right >>> speakup does not come pre-installed in kali, although I hope to be >>> working on a custom kali version that will be more accessible (when = I have >>> a few minutes). >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:13 AM >>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>> >>> Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux >>>=20 >>> So, I have to ask, why Kali Linux, specifically? It's strikes me as = a >>> rather oddball choice. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The post you reference below isn't particularly pertinent to running >>> Speakup, and you still haven't told us whether Kali comes with >>> Speakup, or whether it's on you to add it into the installation. = Once >>> again, what's the output of: >>>=20 >>> locate speakup.ko >>>=20 >>> Suggestion: You may have much more success with a distribution like >>> Arch which supports Speakup out of the box, and which has a talking >>> installation >>> available: >>>=20 >>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__wiki.archlinux.or >>> = g_index.php_TalkingArch&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65= >>> = eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8e9d2= >>> = ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3DJUxYZ5Z1WwEmJvd1TAXM8buhPH2soZMlw95_z >>> 0Owg2o&e=3D >>>=20 >>> If you go this way you'll only have the console unless you = explicitly >>> install a GUI desktop. >>>=20 >>> There are other choices, but the above is a good way to get to a >>> functioning system with minimul fuss. >>>=20 >>> Janina >>>=20 >>> Timothy Breitenfeldt writes: >>>> Thank you for the replies. I am still fairly new to using Linux, I = am >>>> a computer science major and am currently taking a C and unix class >>>> right now. I now feel comfortable enough with the basics to switch = to >>>> using only a shell for access. I have played with Linux for a = while, >>>> and have always preferred the console over Gnome desktop GUI for >>>> accessibility. I have almost no vision, and am currently using = orca. >>>>=20 >>>> Here is the link to the post I referred to on getting speakup = running >>>> on Kali. >>>>=20 >>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o >>>> r >>>> = g_pipermail_speakup_2015-2DMay_058755.html&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHv >>>> l >>>> = ZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZ >>>> p >>>> = 9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3Dvmyx_v68qcFfCRezo >>>> f >>>> UMWegnKnffKCl31dEy6rITmwc&e=3D >>>>=20 >>>> I followed all of the instructions here, and saw no change. Speakup >>>> never came up talking at the bootup screen. I tried typing speakup >>>> into the terminal while in gnome, but it didn't recognize the = command. >>>>=20 >>>> I don't know much about the kernel yet, it is something I will = learn >>>> next quarter along with other operating system concepts. >>>>=20 >>>> Thank you for the tip on switching to console mode. I would assume >>>> that I can switch back to Gnome using the same shortcut I used to >>>> switched to console mode (ctrl+alt+ 1-6)? >>>>=20 >>>> Can someone take a look at this post and see if you can help? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>>=20 >>>> TJ Breitenfeldt >>>>=20 >>>> On 1/27/18, Kirk Reiser wrote: >>>>> To answer the other portion of your query, to move from a gui >>>>> console to a text console just type control-alt-f1 or any other of >>>>> the function keys from 1 to six. You can learn to kill off gnome >>>>> and gdm at a later point if you find you're happy using console = mode. >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Okash Khawaja wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi Timothy, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Welcome to speakup :) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> There is >>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeaku >>>>>> = p.org_spkguide.txt&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65e >>>>>> = apI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8e >>>>>> = 9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3D2x78Ze1FfDGA2IUei89_yMxCCO9K_R >>>>>> nin6X8pL2i0yU&e=3D >>>>>> which should help. >>>>>> Basically you need two kernel modules loaded. One is speakup.ko >>>>>> and the other depends upon which synthesizer you want to use. So >>>>>> for example for Apollo you'll need speakup_apollo.ko. You can = also >>>>>> use software synth speakup_soft.ko if you don't have a hardware = synth. >>>>>> All supported synths are mentioned in spkguide linked above. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> If it's a hardware synth then the two kernel modules is all you = need. >>>>>> If it's speakup_soft.ko then some user-space text-to-speech >>>>>> software will be required. If you can explain where you're = getting >>>>>> stuck then we can help more :) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>> Okash >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, i recently installed Kali onto an old laptop. I would really >>>>>>> like to just run Kali in console mode and completely ignore the >>>>>>> GUI .To do this, I know I need speakup. I found a couple >>>>>>> refferences in the archives for this mailing list, but I = couldn't >>>>>>> get it to work with the instructions given. Does anyone have any >>>>>>> suggestions on how to get speakup running on Kali, as well as = how >>>>>>> to switch from Gnome desktop to just a console? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> TJ Breitenfeldt >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeak >>>>>>> u >>>>>>> = p.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaW >>>>>>> H >>>>>>> = vlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtO >>>>>>> T >>>>>>> = BuXmZp9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3Dvgv29pC >>>>>>> b GvnzzG0MMsbC16KKZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e=3D >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeaku >>>>>> p >>>>>> = 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