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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:00:24 -0000 Tim, A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal preference i= s to use the mate desktop but that is because I got started in Linux under = the old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten used to the new unity/gnome3 i= nterface. Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate with orca= to work, so I am trying to debug that problem. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Breitenfeldt [mailto:timothyjb310@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:23 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux Hi, my apologies for not being clear in my last post. I am using Kali becau= se I want to learn about the security tools Kali has. I will keep in mind t= hat arch is a better option for this though. The output of locate speakup.ko /lib/modules/4.12.0-kali1-amd66/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup /speakup.ko For now, I am just looking to get eSpeak working on it, my goal is to insta= ll voxin, which is what I am using for orca right now. Kali does have built in support for a talking installer using speakup. I believe Kali is very similar to Debian, if that helps at all. TJ Breitenfeldt On 1/30/18, Don Raikes wrote: > Hi, > > Kali is an odd choice for someone just wanting a console-based linux dist= ro. > Ubuntu server is another good choice. > > If, however you are looking for security tools then kali is a good choice= . > The kali installer is accessible since it is based on the debian=20 > talking installer. I haven't checked lately but if I remember right=20 > speakup does not come pre-installed in kali, although I hope to be=20 > working on a custom kali version that will be more accessible (when I hav= e a few minutes). > -----Original Message----- > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:13 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.=20 > > Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux > > So, I have to ask, why Kali Linux, specifically? It's strikes me as a=20 > rather oddball choice. > > > The post you reference below isn't particularly pertinent to running=20 > Speakup, and you still haven't told us whether Kali comes with=20 > Speakup, or whether it's on you to add it into the installation. Once=20 > again, what's the output of: > > locate speakup.ko > > Suggestion: You may have much more success with a distribution like=20 > Arch which supports Speakup out of the box, and which has a talking=20 > installation > available: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__wiki.archlinux.or > g_index.php_TalkingArch&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB6= 5 > eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8e9d= 2 > ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3DJUxYZ5Z1WwEmJvd1TAXM8buhPH2soZMlw95_z > 0Owg2o&e=3D > > If you go this way you'll only have the console unless you explicitly=20 > install a GUI desktop. > > There are other choices, but the above is a good way to get to a=20 > functioning system with minimul fuss. > > Janina > > Timothy Breitenfeldt writes: >> Thank you for the replies. I am still fairly new to using Linux, I am=20 >> a computer science major and am currently taking a C and unix class=20 >> right now. I now feel comfortable enough with the basics to switch to=20 >> using only a shell for access. I have played with Linux for a while,=20 >> and have always preferred the console over Gnome desktop GUI for=20 >> accessibility. I have almost no vision, and am currently using orca. >> >> Here is the link to the post I referred to on getting speakup running=20 >> on Kali. >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeakup.o >> r=20 >> g_pipermail_speakup_2015-2DMay_058755.html&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWH= v >> l=20 >> ZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZ >> p=20 >> 9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3Dvmyx_v68qcFfCRez= o >> f >> UMWegnKnffKCl31dEy6rITmwc&e=3D >> >> I followed all of the instructions here, and saw no change. Speakup=20 >> never came up talking at the bootup screen. I tried typing speakup=20 >> into the terminal while in gnome, but it didn't recognize the command. >> >> I don't know much about the kernel yet, it is something I will learn=20 >> next quarter along with other operating system concepts. >> >> Thank you for the tip on switching to console mode. I would assume=20 >> that I can switch back to Gnome using the same shortcut I used to=20 >> switched to console mode (ctrl+alt+ 1-6)? >> >> Can someone take a look at this post and see if you can help? >> >> Thanks, >> >> TJ Breitenfeldt >> >> On 1/27/18, Kirk Reiser wrote: >> > To answer the other portion of your query, to move from a gui=20 >> > console to a text console just type control-alt-f1 or any other of=20 >> > the function keys from 1 to six. You can learn to kill off gnome=20 >> > and gdm at a later point if you find you're happy using console mode. >> > >> > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Okash Khawaja wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Timothy, >> >> >> >> Welcome to speakup :) >> >> >> >> There is >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeaku >> >> p.org_spkguide.txt&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65= e >> >> apI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8= e >> >> 9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3D2x78Ze1FfDGA2IUei89_yMxCCO9K_R >> >> nin6X8pL2i0yU&e=3D >> >> which should help. >> >> Basically you need two kernel modules loaded. One is speakup.ko=20 >> >> and the other depends upon which synthesizer you want to use. So=20 >> >> for example for Apollo you'll need speakup_apollo.ko. You can also=20 >> >> use software synth speakup_soft.ko if you don't have a hardware synth= . >> >> All supported synths are mentioned in spkguide linked above. >> >> >> >> If it's a hardware synth then the two kernel modules is all you need. >> >> If it's speakup_soft.ko then some user-space text-to-speech=20 >> >> software will be required. If you can explain where you're getting=20 >> >> stuck then we can help more :) >> >> >> >> Cheers! >> >> Okash >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt=20 >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, i recently installed Kali onto an old laptop. I would really=20 >> >>> like to just run Kali in console mode and completely ignore the=20 >> >>> GUI .To do this, I know I need speakup. I found a couple=20 >> >>> refferences in the archives for this mailing list, but I couldn't=20 >> >>> get it to work with the instructions given. Does anyone have any=20 >> >>> suggestions on how to get speakup running on Kali, as well as how=20 >> >>> to switch from Gnome desktop to just a console? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> >> >>> TJ Breitenfeldt >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Speakup mailing list >> >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeak >> >>> u=20 >> >>> p.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCga= W >> >>> H=20 >> >>> vlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtO >> >>> T=20 >> >>> BuXmZp9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3Dvgv29p= C >> >>> b GvnzzG0MMsbC16KKZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e=3D >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__linux-2Dspeaku >> >> p=20 >> >> .org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_speakup&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWH= v >> >> l=20 >> >> ZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3DRSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBu >> >> X=20 >> >> mZp9uE&m=3DEiMTZr4C8e9d2ErmbeyYCptTaFYi0HdGewnOWTnmf4w&s=3Dvgv29pCbGv= n >> >> z zG0MMsbC16KKZTQtkg1qaQxn4V-ig7w&e=3D >> > >> > -- >> > Well that's it then, colour me secure! 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