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Subject: RE: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux References: <20180130141246.GC16373@rednote.net> <3fdc3c08-c1fc-4f8e-a303-0282553fc3ed@default> <20180131151440.GH15026@rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20180131151440.GH15026@rednote.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4639.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8791 signatures=668659 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1801310215 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.24 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:42:01 -0000 Another option and one which I have used for learning the console-based kal= i tools and to get familiar with Linux in general would be to run kali in a= docker container. If you use jaws or nvda on windows, you can run a kalil= inux docker container and interact with it using the windows screenreader. I know that takes things like Speakup and brltty out of the mix, but it is = a quick and dirty solution. -----Original Message----- From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:15 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Help with running Speakup on Kali Linux I would further suggest that whatever gui-based security tools Kali provide= s may, or may not be accessible to use. Regardless, they're all going to drive configurations you can access from t= he console. A short, not necessarily comprehensive list off the top of my h= ead would include: selinux and it's settings iptables and ip6tables journalctl (for log access) Work the above with grep and maybe awk, and you'll be a power user before l= ong regardless of what some gui tool might, or might not do. You'll be doing more, actually. So, the notion to get Speakup working on the console is absolutely the righ= t notion. If you have a braille display you can add into the mix, absolutel= y check out brltty. The two would make a highly persuasive combination, and= you a security expert if you stick to it and read the source texts. What you will NOT have is data visualization. For that I'm afraid the solut= ions are a bit more expirimental, though there is sonification that might h= elp. How to do that on Linux, I don't know, but I think I know who to send = you to to ask. So, speak up, as it were! Just my suggestion. Janina Zachary Kline writes: > >From personal experience, ArchLinux is just about as good a command-line= environment as you=E2=80=99re likely to get. The TalkingArch CD works very= well for installing, and you=E2=80=99re left with a setup which is minimal= and easy to learn from.=20 > I highly recommend you switch to trying to mess with that. >=20 > > On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Timothy Breitenfeldt wrote: > >=20 > > That is good to know. I was afraid that a lot of the tools were not=20 > > command line based. Oh well. perhaps I will just set up an arch=20 > > linux vm and play with that. > >=20 > > I would still like to learn how to setup speakup, but Kali is=20 > > probably not the best to do that with. > >=20 > > Thanks for all of the replies, > >=20 > > TJ Breitenfeldt > >=20 > > On 1/30/18, Don Raikes wrote: > >> Tim, > >>=20 > >> A lot of kali's tools need to be run from the GUI, My personal=20 > >> preference is to use the mate desktop but that is because I got=20 > >> started in Linux under the old gnome 2 interface and haven't gotten=20 > >> used to the new unity/gnome3 interface. > >>=20 > >> Unfortunately when I installed kali into a vm I couldn't get mate=20 > >> with orca to work, so I am trying to debug that problem. ... 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