DHCP with Comcast@home

DHCP with Comcast@home

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi, would anyone familiar with dhcpcd or dhclient please contact me off list?
I'm trying to get DHCP working with Comcast@home and am not having any luck.
Comcast@home's tech support can't answer my questions, so I am trying to
figure it out on my own.  At this point, I would like to talk to someone
who is familiar with setting up and using DHCP in Linux.

Thanks in advance.
          Kenny

RE: DHCP with Comcast@home

[Georgina]

Hi

I found the cable modem howto very useful however, I've tried looking for
your ISP  but couldn't find it and my screen reader or windows decided to
play games.  But in case you haven't seen it the URL is:

 http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Cable-Modem/isps.html


Gena

Announcing Blindness Advocacy and Self-Help at www.bashonline.org

Personal pages at http://www.visson.freeserve.co.uk/
 Mobile (Cell) Phone 07951 196268

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: 18 August 2001 19:20
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: DHCP with Comcast@home


Hi, would anyone familiar with dhcpcd or dhclient please contact me off
list?
I'm trying to get DHCP working with Comcast@home and am not having any luck.
Comcast@home's tech support can't answer my questions, so I am trying to
figure it out on my own.  At this point, I would like to talk to someone
who is familiar with setting up and using DHCP in Linux.

Thanks in advance.
          Kenny



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Dectalk internal pc card?

[Charles Crawford]

Well, I have finally decided to take a trip into this brave new world of 
Linux to see what I can do with it.  I will be using an old 200 mhz 
computer with a full linux install that has an internal dectalk card which 
I don't think is supported at this point.  Does anyone know if it will 
be?  The other alternative is to run the redhat Linux that I got off their 
ftp site and burned on to cd's but not sure what to do with it from dos. on 
my new and very fast computer.  I will be getting some help with that soon.

	Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to run a lan 
with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even 
learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a thought!

-- Charlie Crawford.
  

Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Saqib Shaikh]

right, the dectalk pc is not supported under linux by speakup, but it is by
emacspeak. if you wish to run emacspeak then contact me offlist at:
ss@saqibshaikh.com
i personally prefer emacspeak because speakup doesn't have full text editing
support yet, and text editing seems the key to doing most tasks under linux.
saqib

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:28 PM
Subject: Dectalk internal pc card?


> Well, I have finally decided to take a trip into this brave new world of
> Linux to see what I can do with it.  I will be using an old 200 mhz
> computer with a full linux install that has an internal dectalk card which
> I don't think is supported at this point.  Does anyone know if it will
> be?  The other alternative is to run the redhat Linux that I got off their
> ftp site and burned on to cd's but not sure what to do with it from dos.
on
> my new and very fast computer.  I will be getting some help with that
soon.
>
> Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to run a lan
> with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even
> learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a
thought!
>
> -- Charlie Crawford.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

No text editing???

[Kirk Wood]

On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> i personally prefer emacspeak because speakup doesn't have full text editing
> support yet, and text editing seems the key to doing most tasks under linux.

My roomate has been using linux at home exclusively for about two
years. She is using speakup and manages to edit text. In fact, text
editing is a very important part of her efforts to get through a
school. So, if there is no text editing how does she do it? (I am sure she
really is blind and know there is no monitor on her computer to cheat
with.)

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: No text editing???

[Charles Hallenbeck]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "full" text editing. There is
sufficient support for text editing at present, providing you are happy
with text-only files, and you use the speakup cursor tracking feature
sparingly - do not rely on it for all actions.

What you do not have is support for proprietary formats such as WP or
MSWord, and cursor tracking is not perfect either. But I write a lot, and
am comfortable with the limitations I mentioned above. Everyone has a
favorite editor - mine is pico, but I occasionally switch to ed for global
replaces. Otherwise pico word wraps, justifies, has block
copy/move/delete, easy access to a spell checker, and you can insert
another file into a document. 

That may not be "full" text editing, but it is plenty full enough for a
lot of folks, myself included.

Best - Chuck


On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > i personally prefer emacspeak because speakup doesn't have full text editing
> > support yet, and text editing seems the key to doing most tasks under linux.
> 
> My roomate has been using linux at home exclusively for about two
> years. She is using speakup and manages to edit text. In fact, text
> editing is a very important part of her efforts to get through a
> school. So, if there is no text editing how does she do it? (I am sure she
> really is blind and know there is no monitor on her computer to cheat
> with.)
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (3% of Full)

Re: No text editing???

[Lawrence Baggett]

It seems to me that with speakup I can use any
of the normal editors in linux.
I happen to prefer ex, but lots of folks use
vi, and I occasionally use emacs.
You certainly don't have formatting capabilities in editors like ex,
but global replacement and searaching, reading in other files,
and marking moving blocks around are all available.
I for one do not like all the Big Brother heop that programs like
WP and WORD give.

Re: No text editing???

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, precisely. But, to answer the rest of it, there are other
applications, such as latexfor printing, that take care of the layout to
make it look pretty. On the web, it's css to make it "look" right.
 On Mon,
20 Aug 2001, Lawrence Baggett wrote:

> It seems to me that with speakup I can use any
> of the normal editors in linux.
> I happen to prefer ex, but lots of folks use
> vi, and I occasionally use emacs.
> You certainly don't have formatting capabilities in editors like ex,
> but global replacement and searaching, reading in other files,
> and marking moving blocks around are all available.
> I for one do not like all the Big Brother heop that programs like
> WP and WORD give.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: No text editing???

[Amanda Lee]

I like pico as well.  Just wish it supported Search and Replace All
because when you have repetative changes/particularly say in html code
when you're wanting to convert some urls, etc. it is a pain in the neck!

Amanda lee



On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> I guess it depends on what you mean by "full" text editing. There is
> sufficient support for text editing at present, providing you are happy
> with text-only files, and you use the speakup cursor tracking feature
> sparingly - do not rely on it for all actions.
>
> What you do not have is support for proprietary formats such as WP or
> MSWord, and cursor tracking is not perfect either. But I write a lot, and
> am comfortable with the limitations I mentioned above. Everyone has a
> favorite editor - mine is pico, but I occasionally switch to ed for global
> replaces. Otherwise pico word wraps, justifies, has block
> copy/move/delete, easy access to a spell checker, and you can insert
> another file into a document.
>
> That may not be "full" text editing, but it is plenty full enough for a
> lot of folks, myself included.
>
> Best - Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > i personally prefer emacspeak because speakup doesn't have full text editing
> > > support yet, and text editing seems the key to doing most tasks under linux.
> >
> > My roomate has been using linux at home exclusively for about two
> > years. She is using speakup and manages to edit text. In fact, text
> > editing is a very important part of her efforts to get through a
> > school. So, if there is no text editing how does she do it? (I am sure she
> > really is blind and know there is no monitor on her computer to cheat
> > with.)
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (3% of Full)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: No text editing???

[Charles Hallenbeck]

A file that pico can edit can also be edited by ed, so I generally just
switch editors to do the global replaces, then back to pico for the rest. 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Amanda Lee wrote:

> I like pico as well.  Just wish it supported Search and Replace All
> because when you have repetative changes/particularly say in html code
> when you're wanting to convert some urls, etc. it is a pain in the neck!

Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (3% of Full)

Re: No text editing???

[Kirk Reiser]

Let me give a tad of clarification for the new and prospective speakup
users.  Speakup allows you to have full editing capabilities, at least
as full as any text based application under gnu/Linux.

I use emacs with speakup with absolutely no difficulty and am using it
currently to write this note.  I do not use emacspeak although I under
stand it is a fine product.

Now where some folks are complaining about speakups lack is in
automatic cursor speaking.  Speakup tracks the cursor perfectly and is
pretty well always where your cursor is.  What speakup does not do is
automatically speak the line you are moving to.  It does not
automatically say the characters you are moving onto.  It does track
the cursor though.  There is an experimental mode of cursor speaking
in the cvs version of speakup which in some applications works as well
as any screen review package.  In other applications it doesn't work
so well.

I am only saying these things because it creates a false impression
that somehow speakup is inferior and it just plain isn't.  I would be
very happy to have folks help with fixing this situation of automatic
speaking.  It is not a trivial problem to do correctly.  It is also
not that high on my priority list because I have no problem writing,
coding, reading and editing with it the way it currently works.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: No text editing???

[Rich Caloggero]

The one question I have, not being a speakup user myself, is how easy is it
to ask it to read the line or word that I'm on. For example, if I use the
arrow keys or whatever to read the screen in emacs under speakup and find a
place where I want to make a change. My cursor is in the correct place, but
I just want to hear some context now. Can I ask speakup to just read the
line the cursor is on, or even read the sentence or paragraph which contains
the cursor? I believe this is very different, and seems like an easier
problem to the one of automatically figuring out and then reading an item
after the cursor has been moved.

                    Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: No text editing???


> Let me give a tad of clarification for the new and prospective speakup
> users.  Speakup allows you to have full editing capabilities, at least
> as full as any text based application under gnu/Linux.
>
> I use emacs with speakup with absolutely no difficulty and am using it
> currently to write this note.  I do not use emacspeak although I under
> stand it is a fine product.
>
> Now where some folks are complaining about speakups lack is in
> automatic cursor speaking.  Speakup tracks the cursor perfectly and is
> pretty well always where your cursor is.  What speakup does not do is
> automatically speak the line you are moving to.  It does not
> automatically say the characters you are moving onto.  It does track
> the cursor though.  There is an experimental mode of cursor speaking
> in the cvs version of speakup which in some applications works as well
> as any screen review package.  In other applications it doesn't work
> so well.
>
> I am only saying these things because it creates a false impression
> that somehow speakup is inferior and it just plain isn't.  I would be
> very happy to have folks help with fixing this situation of automatic
> speaking.  It is not a trivial problem to do correctly.  It is also
> not that high on my priority list because I have no problem writing,
> coding, reading and editing with it the way it currently works.
>
>   Kirk
>
> --
>
> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: No text editing???

[Kirk Reiser]

Yep, just do say_line or say_word or whatever, just a keystroke.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: No text editing???

[Janina Sajka]

Rich:

Speakup is as easy as asap.

Need I say more?

The numeric keypad works the same way ...

7 8 9 read a line -- previous current next in that order, just as in asap.

So, to answer you directly? How easy is to read the current line? It's as
easy as pressing 8 on the numeric keypad.


On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Rich Caloggero wrote:

> The one question I have, not being a speakup user myself, is how easy is it
> to ask it to read the line or word that I'm on. For example, if I use the
> arrow keys or whatever to read the screen in emacs under speakup and find a
> place where I want to make a change. My cursor is in the correct place, but
> I just want to hear some context now. Can I ask speakup to just read the
> line the cursor is on, or even read the sentence or paragraph which contains
> the cursor? I believe this is very different, and seems like an easier
> problem to the one of automatically figuring out and then reading an item
> after the cursor has been moved.
>
>                     Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: No text editing???
>
>
> > Let me give a tad of clarification for the new and prospective speakup
> > users.  Speakup allows you to have full editing capabilities, at least
> > as full as any text based application under gnu/Linux.
> >
> > I use emacs with speakup with absolutely no difficulty and am using it
> > currently to write this note.  I do not use emacspeak although I under
> > stand it is a fine product.
> >
> > Now where some folks are complaining about speakups lack is in
> > automatic cursor speaking.  Speakup tracks the cursor perfectly and is
> > pretty well always where your cursor is.  What speakup does not do is
> > automatically speak the line you are moving to.  It does not
> > automatically say the characters you are moving onto.  It does track
> > the cursor though.  There is an experimental mode of cursor speaking
> > in the cvs version of speakup which in some applications works as well
> > as any screen review package.  In other applications it doesn't work
> > so well.
> >
> > I am only saying these things because it creates a false impression
> > that somehow speakup is inferior and it just plain isn't.  I would be
> > very happy to have folks help with fixing this situation of automatic
> > speaking.  It is not a trivial problem to do correctly.  It is also
> > not that high on my priority list because I have no problem writing,
> > coding, reading and editing with it the way it currently works.
> >
> >   Kirk
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> > phone: (519) 661-3061
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: No text editing???

[Gregory Nowak]

All of what you describe could be done
with speakup screen review keys on the numpad.
Greg


On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:38:24PM -0400, Rich Caloggero wrote:
> The one question I have, not being a speakup user myself, is how easy is it
> to ask it to read the line or word that I'm on. For example, if I use the
> arrow keys or whatever to read the screen in emacs under speakup and find a
> place where I want to make a change. My cursor is in the correct place, but
> I just want to hear some context now. Can I ask speakup to just read the
> line the cursor is on, or even read the sentence or paragraph which contains
> the cursor? I believe this is very different, and seems like an easier
> problem to the one of automatically figuring out and then reading an item
> after the cursor has been moved.
> 
>                     Rich
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: No text editing???
> 
> 
> > Let me give a tad of clarification for the new and prospective speakup
> > users.  Speakup allows you to have full editing capabilities, at least
> > as full as any text based application under gnu/Linux.
> >
> > I use emacs with speakup with absolutely no difficulty and am using it
> > currently to write this note.  I do not use emacspeak although I under
> > stand it is a fine product.
> >
> > Now where some folks are complaining about speakups lack is in
> > automatic cursor speaking.  Speakup tracks the cursor perfectly and is
> > pretty well always where your cursor is.  What speakup does not do is
> > automatically speak the line you are moving to.  It does not
> > automatically say the characters you are moving onto.  It does track
> > the cursor though.  There is an experimental mode of cursor speaking
> > in the cvs version of speakup which in some applications works as well
> > as any screen review package.  In other applications it doesn't work
> > so well.
> >
> > I am only saying these things because it creates a false impression
> > that somehow speakup is inferior and it just plain isn't.  I would be
> > very happy to have folks help with fixing this situation of automatic
> > speaking.  It is not a trivial problem to do correctly.  It is also
> > not that high on my priority list because I have no problem writing,
> > coding, reading and editing with it the way it currently works.
> >
> >   Kirk
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> > phone: (519) 661-3061
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: No text editing???

[Scott Howell]

Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't
type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though,
I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a
difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and
Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest
dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and
learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows
has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux
and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of
Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks
about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done.




---
Scott 

On 20 Aug 2001, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> Let me give a tad of clarification for the new and prospective speakup
> users.  Speakup allows you to have full editing capabilities, at least
> as full as any text based application under gnu/Linux.
> 
> I use emacs with speakup with absolutely no difficulty and am using it
> currently to write this note.  I do not use emacspeak although I under
> stand it is a fine product.
> 
> Now where some folks are complaining about speakups lack is in
> automatic cursor speaking.  Speakup tracks the cursor perfectly and is
> pretty well always where your cursor is.  What speakup does not do is
> automatically speak the line you are moving to.  It does not
> automatically say the characters you are moving onto.  It does track
> the cursor though.  There is an experimental mode of cursor speaking
> in the cvs version of speakup which in some applications works as well
> as any screen review package.  In other applications it doesn't work
> so well.
> 
> I am only saying these things because it creates a false impression
> that somehow speakup is inferior and it just plain isn't.  I would be
> very happy to have folks help with fixing this situation of automatic
> speaking.  It is not a trivial problem to do correctly.  It is also
> not that high on my priority list because I have no problem writing,
> coding, reading and editing with it the way it currently works.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> 

Re: No text editing???

[Gregory Nowak]

Amen, I will agree with what Scott has said 101%.
Greg


On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 08:59:53PM -0400, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't
> type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though,
> I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a
> difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and
> Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest
> dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and
> learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows
> has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux
> and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of
> Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks
> about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Scott 
> 
> On 20 Aug 2001, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> 
> > Let me give a tad of clarification for the new and prospective speakup
> > users.  Speakup allows you to have full editing capabilities, at least
> > as full as any text based application under gnu/Linux.
> > 
> > I use emacs with speakup with absolutely no difficulty and am using it
> > currently to write this note.  I do not use emacspeak although I under
> > stand it is a fine product.
> > 
> > Now where some folks are complaining about speakups lack is in
> > automatic cursor speaking.  Speakup tracks the cursor perfectly and is
> > pretty well always where your cursor is.  What speakup does not do is
> > automatically speak the line you are moving to.  It does not
> > automatically say the characters you are moving onto.  It does track
> > the cursor though.  There is an experimental mode of cursor speaking
> > in the cvs version of speakup which in some applications works as well
> > as any screen review package.  In other applications it doesn't work
> > so well.
> > 
> > I am only saying these things because it creates a false impression
> > that somehow speakup is inferior and it just plain isn't.  I would be
> > very happy to have folks help with fixing this situation of automatic
> > speaking.  It is not a trivial problem to do correctly.  It is also
> > not that high on my priority list because I have no problem writing,
> > coding, reading and editing with it the way it currently works.
> > 
> >   Kirk
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: No text editing???

[Charles Hallenbeck]

I agree 1000%, Scott - you expressed my own thoughts exactly.

This business about text editing is interesting - it is not speakup that
creates any limitations - it is the various apps themselves, and speakup
at least lets you get right up close and personal with all the apps,
including their good points as well as their limitations.


On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:

> 
> Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't
> type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though,
> I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a
> difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and
> Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest
> dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and
> learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows
> has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux
> and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of
> Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks
> about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done.


Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (8% of Full)

Re: No text editing???

[Shaun Oliver]

I'd go on e step forther and suggest that it might to some extent be the
operator of the machine as well.
I mean by this that it is possible that they may not be properly aquainted
with speakup and it's functions.
it only took me a week to grasp the basics but for others it might take
just that little bit longer.
Do you think that this could have a baring on the oppinions of others
relating to text editing?


shaun..

FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
corrupt
. FEAR: Fear is my alli.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> I agree 1000%, Scott - you expressed my own thoughts exactly.
> 
> This business about text editing is interesting - it is not speakup that
> creates any limitations - it is the various apps themselves, and speakup
> at least lets you get right up close and personal with all the apps,
> including their good points as well as their limitations.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't
> > type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though,
> > I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a
> > difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and
> > Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest
> > dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and
> > learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows
> > has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux
> > and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of
> > Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks
> > about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done.
> 
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (8% of Full)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: No text editing???

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi, I agree.  The fact I used ASAP for years made it quicker for me.
Believe it or not, I am using vi for editing.  I tried it in DOS or as a 
console ap in Windows, but never could use it because screen readers 
couldn't track the cursor.

          Kenny

On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:50:14PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> I'd go on e step forther and suggest that it might to some extent be the
> operator of the machine as well.
> I mean by this that it is possible that they may not be properly aquainted
> with speakup and it's functions.
> it only took me a week to grasp the basics but for others it might take
> just that little bit longer.
> Do you think that this could have a baring on the oppinions of others
> relating to text editing?
> 
> 
> shaun..
> 
> FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
> corrupt
> . FEAR: Fear is my alli.
> 
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> > I agree 1000%, Scott - you expressed my own thoughts exactly.
> > 
> > This business about text editing is interesting - it is not speakup that
> > creates any limitations - it is the various apps themselves, and speakup
> > at least lets you get right up close and personal with all the apps,
> > including their good points as well as their limitations.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't
> > > type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though,
> > > I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a
> > > difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and
> > > Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest
> > > dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and
> > > learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows
> > > has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux
> > > and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of
> > > Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks
> > > about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done.
> > 
> > 
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (8% of Full)
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: No text editing???

[Janina Sajka]

Wait a minute, it's not fair to compare asap using vi with the access we
now have with speakup.

Unless you were using elvis, a vi port for DOS, the only way you could use
any unix text editor with asap was to log onto a unix server via telnet or
dialup connection. That meant terminal emmulation. In other words, there
were several layers separating you and asap from the text editor. This is
not the case today, when speakup is running directly on your own linux
machine.

Speakup and asap are alike in their screen review functions, but the
analogies should really stop right there.


On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi, I agree.  The fact I used ASAP for years made it quicker for me.
> Believe it or not, I am using vi for editing.  I tried it in DOS or as a
> console ap in Windows, but never could use it because screen readers
> couldn't track the cursor.
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:50:14PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > I'd go on e step forther and suggest that it might to some extent be the
> > operator of the machine as well.
> > I mean by this that it is possible that they may not be properly aquainted
> > with speakup and it's functions.
> > it only took me a week to grasp the basics but for others it might take
> > just that little bit longer.
> > Do you think that this could have a baring on the oppinions of others
> > relating to text editing?
> >
> >
> > shaun..
> >
> > FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
> > corrupt
> > . FEAR: Fear is my alli.
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > I agree 1000%, Scott - you expressed my own thoughts exactly.
> > >
> > > This business about text editing is interesting - it is not speakup that
> > > creates any limitations - it is the various apps themselves, and speakup
> > > at least lets you get right up close and personal with all the apps,
> > > including their good points as well as their limitations.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't
> > > > type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though,
> > > > I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a
> > > > difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and
> > > > Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest
> > > > dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and
> > > > learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows
> > > > has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux
> > > > and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of
> > > > Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks
> > > > about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done.
> > >
> > >
> > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (8% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: No text editing???

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi, I used vi because I tried to use a DOS program called "vi".  The
problem was, ASAP couldn't track the cursor.  From using Linux the last
few months, I think you're right about it beeing a DOS version of elvis.
At the time, all I had was a .exe file and my boss didn't know anything
more than vi commands.  He used it for all his editing, and it took up
less space on a DOS floppy, so he wanted to use it as the editor.

          Kenny

On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:48:44PM -0400, Janina Sajka
wrote:
> Wait a minute, it's not fair to compare asap using vi with the access we
> now have with speakup.
> 
> Unless you were using elvis, a vi port for DOS, the only way you could use
> any unix text editor with asap was to log onto a unix server via telnet or
> dialup connection. That meant terminal emmulation. In other words, there
> were several layers separating you and asap from the text editor. This is
> not the case today, when speakup is running directly on your own linux
> machine.
> 
> Speakup and asap are alike in their screen review functions, but the
> analogies should really stop right there.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> 
> > Hi, I agree.  The fact I used ASAP for years made it quicker for me.
> > Believe it or not, I am using vi for editing.  I tried it in DOS or as a
> > console ap in Windows, but never could use it because screen readers
> > couldn't track the cursor.
> >
> >           Kenny
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:50:14PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > > I'd go on e step forther and suggest that it might to some extent be the
> > > operator of the machine as well.
> > > I mean by this that it is possible that they may not be properly aquainted
> > > with speakup and it's functions.
> > > it only took me a week to grasp the basics but for others it might take
> > > just that little bit longer.
> > > Do you think that this could have a baring on the oppinions of others
> > > relating to text editing?
> > >
> > >
> > > shaun..
> > >
> > > FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
> > > corrupt
> > > . FEAR: Fear is my alli.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree 1000%, Scott - you expressed my own thoughts exactly.
> > > >
> > > > This business about text editing is interesting - it is not speakup that
> > > > creates any limitations - it is the various apps themselves, and speakup
> > > > at least lets you get right up close and personal with all the apps,
> > > > including their good points as well as their limitations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't
> > > > > type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though,
> > > > > I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a
> > > > > difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and
> > > > > Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest
> > > > > dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and
> > > > > learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows
> > > > > has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux
> > > > > and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of
> > > > > Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks
> > > > > about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (8% of Full)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> -- 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> 
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> 
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: No text editing???

[Janina Sajka]

I tried Elvis once myself because I generally liked vi, and wanted to get
rid of the latency (and other problems associated with access over a
dialup). My recollection is that the dialup access was still more
reliable. But, this was a long time ago--maybe ten years, actually.
 On
Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi, I used vi because I tried to use a DOS program called "vi".  The
> problem was, ASAP couldn't track the cursor.  From using Linux the last
> few months, I think you're right about it beeing a DOS version of elvis.
> At the time, all I had was a .exe file and my boss didn't know anything
> more than vi commands.  He used it for all his editing, and it took up
> less space on a DOS floppy, so he wanted to use it as the editor.
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:48:44PM -0400, Janina Sajka
> wrote:
> > Wait a minute, it's not fair to compare asap using vi with the access we
> > now have with speakup.
> >
> > Unless you were using elvis, a vi port for DOS, the only way you could use
> > any unix text editor with asap was to log onto a unix server via telnet or
> > dialup connection. That meant terminal emmulation. In other words, there
> > were several layers separating you and asap from the text editor. This is
> > not the case today, when speakup is running directly on your own linux
> > machine.
> >
> > Speakup and asap are alike in their screen review functions, but the
> > analogies should really stop right there.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, I agree.  The fact I used ASAP for years made it quicker for me.
> > > Believe it or not, I am using vi for editing.  I tried it in DOS or as a
> > > console ap in Windows, but never could use it because screen readers
> > > couldn't track the cursor.
> > >
> > >           Kenny
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:50:14PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > > > I'd go on e step forther and suggest that it might to some extent be the
> > > > operator of the machine as well.
> > > > I mean by this that it is possible that they may not be properly aquainted
> > > > with speakup and it's functions.
> > > > it only took me a week to grasp the basics but for others it might take
> > > > just that little bit longer.
> > > > Do you think that this could have a baring on the oppinions of others
> > > > relating to text editing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > shaun..
> > > >
> > > > FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
> > > > corrupt
> > > > . FEAR: Fear is my alli.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I agree 1000%, Scott - you expressed my own thoughts exactly.
> > > > >
> > > > > This business about text editing is interesting - it is not speakup that
> > > > > creates any limitations - it is the various apps themselves, and speakup
> > > > > at least lets you get right up close and personal with all the apps,
> > > > > including their good points as well as their limitations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't
> > > > > > type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though,
> > > > > > I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a
> > > > > > difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and
> > > > > > Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest
> > > > > > dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and
> > > > > > learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows
> > > > > > has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux
> > > > > > and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of
> > > > > > Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks
> > > > > > about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (8% of Full)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: No text editing???

[Janina Sajka]

Chuck:

Since you mention a fondness for pico, let me suggest nano to you. It's a
gpl pico clone with a few added features. In particular, it supports
search and replace very well. Now, if it would just support movement by
word ...

That's my problem with text editing on linux. There's no way, short of
emacs, to move by words. I can move up and down by lines, and left and
right by chars. But left and right by chars gets very tedious in a long
report.

So, I'm slowly learning emacs--an effort I know will eventually payoff
handsomely. Meanwhile, the work just needs to get done and I suffer over
the lack of word movement.

PS: I also am still on the lookout for something to read the newer
WordPerfect file format under linux. No luck yet in that area.


-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: No text editing???

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Janina -

Tha;nks for the tip on nano - I will check it out.

As for moving by a word at a time, there is a workaround that I have
learned to live with in pico. What I do is leave the true cursor where it
is and move by words with the review cursor. When I find what I need I do
a search for that word (or some unique part of it) and now the two cursors
are joined again.  Could be better, but could be worse too.

Chuck


Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (4% of Full)

Re: No text editing???

[Saqib Shaikh]

I am running 0.10a. i don't know if text editing has been improved in cvs
versions as i don't have a linux system connected to the internet. maybe i
should try it again.
saqib

Re: No text editing???

[Charles Crawford]

Ok, here's a stupid question.  Why can't editing be done with a dos editor?

-- Charlie Crawford.
At 01:50 AM 08/20/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > i personally prefer emacspeak because speakup doesn't have full text 
> editing
> > support yet, and text editing seems the key to doing most tasks under 
> linux.
>
>My roomate has been using linux at home exclusively for about two
>years. She is using speakup and manages to edit text. In fact, text
>editing is a very important part of her efforts to get through a
>school. So, if there is no text editing how does she do it? (I am sure she
>really is blind and know there is no monitor on her computer to cheat
>with.)
>
>=======
>Kirk Wood
>Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
>The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
>If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
>
>
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Re: No text editing???

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Charles, if you are using a DOS computer as a terminal to link to your
Linux box, sure you can use wp5.1 or whatever you like and upload it
to your linux box.  but if you are using Linux from the console, then,
you need to use a Linux Editor.  I find that I like emacs and
emacspeak, coupled with Speakup.  This way I get the power and
flexibility of Emacspeak and its attendant extensions, as well as the
power and ease of speakup's access to other console apps.  In fact,
this is the only area in my life where I can have my cake and eat it
too.  <smile> 

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: No text editing???

[Charles Crawford]

         I see.  So there are Linux apps that must be run with whichever 
Linux speech processor is available, and there froe config files and the 
like could be edited in Dos.  Yes?

-- Charlie.
At 07:51 AM 8/20/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Charles, if you are using a DOS computer as a terminal to link to your
>Linux box, sure you can use wp5.1 or whatever you like and upload it
>to your linux box.  but if you are using Linux from the console, then,
>you need to use a Linux Editor.  I find that I like emacs and
>emacspeak, coupled with Speakup.  This way I get the power and
>flexibility of Emacspeak and its attendant extensions, as well as the
>power and ease of speakup's access to other console apps.  In fact,
>this is the only area in my life where I can have my cake and eat it
>too.  <smile>
>
>Ann P.
>
>--
>                         Ann K. Parsons
>email:  akp@eznet.net                   ICQ Number:  33006854
>WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: No text editing???

[Janina Sajka]

Well, it can. But, it's a little trouble to set up, and a little trouble
to use:

1.)	You need to set dosemu up and give it all its DOS tools;

2.)	You need to make sure that the file you want to edit gets copied
into a partition/directory that dosemu can see;

3.)	You need to run unix2dos on it--and when you're done, you need to
run dos2unix on it;

4.)	You cannot use it (as far as I know) as a default editor for pine
or lynx.

Given all these restrictions, if it's still useful, you certainly can run
with WordPerfect's Eed for DOS, or whatever.


On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Charles Crawford wrote:

> Ok, here's a stupid question.  Why can't editing be done with a dos editor?
>
> -- Charlie Crawford.
> At 01:50 AM 08/20/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > i personally prefer emacspeak because speakup doesn't have full text
> > editing
> > > support yet, and text editing seems the key to doing most tasks under
> > linux.
> >
> >My roomate has been using linux at home exclusively for about two
> >years. She is using speakup and manages to edit text. In fact, text
> >editing is a very important part of her efforts to get through a
> >school. So, if there is no text editing how does she do it? (I am sure she
> >really is blind and know there is no monitor on her computer to cheat
> >with.)
> >
> >=======
> >Kirk Wood
> >Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> >The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> >If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
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Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Gregory Nowak]

Every synth that's ever going to be or is out ther will be supported
at some point if Kirk can get his hands on it,
and figure out its interface.
Greg


On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 09:28:18AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> Well, I have finally decided to take a trip into this brave new world of 
> Linux to see what I can do with it.  I will be using an old 200 mhz 
> computer with a full linux install that has an internal dectalk card which 
> I don't think is supported at this point.  Does anyone know if it will 
> be?  The other alternative is to run the redhat Linux that I got off their 
> ftp site and burned on to cd's but not sure what to do with it from dos. on 
> my new and very fast computer.  I will be getting some help with that soon.
> 
> 	Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to run a lan 
> with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even 
> learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a thought!
> 
> -- Charlie Crawford.
>   
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Thomas D. Ward]

As far as I can tell Speakup can't use the Dectalk PC cards, but Emacspeak
can if you build the Dectalk drivers on the blinux ftp sight.
I'm not an expirt on the Dectalk PC so I don't really know how to direct you
further.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:28 AM
Subject: Dectalk internal pc card?


> Well, I have finally decided to take a trip into this brave new world of
> Linux to see what I can do with it.  I will be using an old 200 mhz
> computer with a full linux install that has an internal dectalk card which
> I don't think is supported at this point.  Does anyone know if it will
> be?  The other alternative is to run the redhat Linux that I got off their
> ftp site and burned on to cd's but not sure what to do with it from dos.
on
> my new and very fast computer.  I will be getting some help with that
soon.
>
> Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to run a lan
> with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even
> learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a
thought!
>
> -- Charlie Crawford.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Chris Schulte]

As I understand things, and my knowledge in linux in general is limited, but
it's a problem with loading the dectalk pc drivers in the kernel.  To the
best of my knowledge no one has built modules for the PC card.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas D. Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Dectalk internal pc card?


> As far as I can tell Speakup can't use the Dectalk PC cards, but Emacspeak
> can if you build the Dectalk drivers on the blinux ftp sight.
> I'm not an expirt on the Dectalk PC so I don't really know how to direct
you
> further.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:28 AM
> Subject: Dectalk internal pc card?
>
>
> > Well, I have finally decided to take a trip into this brave new world of
> > Linux to see what I can do with it.  I will be using an old 200 mhz
> > computer with a full linux install that has an internal dectalk card
which
> > I don't think is supported at this point.  Does anyone know if it will
> > be?  The other alternative is to run the redhat Linux that I got off
their
> > ftp site and burned on to cd's but not sure what to do with it from dos.
> on
> > my new and very fast computer.  I will be getting some help with that
> soon.
> >
> > Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to run a
lan
> > with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might
even
> > learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a
> thought!
> >
> > -- Charlie Crawford.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Congrats on joining us here and just imagine.  It's in our best interest to get you up and running with Linux so you can port the checkbook program for dos into 
Linux.  *grins*.

Best regards.

On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 09:28:18 -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
>	Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to run a lan 
>with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even 
>learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a thought!


--- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals...
Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination...
We learned to talk...

Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Charles Crawford]

Heh, I wonder if there is a compiler for the code.

-- Charlie Crawford.
At 10:38 PM 8/19/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Congrats on joining us here and just imagine.  It's in our best interest 
>to get you up and running with Linux so you can port the checkbook program 
>for dos into
>Linux.  *grins*.
>
>Best regards.
>
>On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 09:28:18 -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> >       Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to 
> run a lan
> >with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even
> >learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a thought!
>
>
>--- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
>For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals...
>Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination...
>We learned to talk...
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Janina Sajka]

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Hey, Charley:

Point your favorite browser at http://www.freshmeat.net and put the word
'compiler' in the search field. Then sit back and drool.

What did you write checkbook in? Was that clipper? So, I went to FreshMeat
just now and looked for "Clipper" and found the attached web page. Sure
sounds like a candidate tool to me. But, I could be wrong! On Mon, 20 Aug
2001, Charles Crawford wrote:

> Heh, I wonder if there is a compiler for the code.
>
> -- Charlie Crawford.
> At 10:38 PM 8/19/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Congrats on joining us here and just imagine.  It's in our best interest
> >to get you up and running with Linux so you can port the checkbook program
> >for dos into
> >Linux.  *grins*.
> >
> >Best regards.
> >
> >On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 09:28:18 -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> > >       Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to
> > run a lan
> > >with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even
> > >learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a thought!
> >
> >
> >--- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
> >For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals...
> >Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination...
> >We learned to talk...
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

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Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Shaun Oliver]

the dectalk pc as far as I remember, is supported by speakup. I just can't
remember the image you should be llooking for.


shaun..

FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
corrupt
. FEAR: Fear is my alli.

On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Charles Crawford wrote:

> Well, I have finally decided to take a trip into this brave new world of 
> Linux to see what I can do with it.  I will be using an old 200 mhz 
> computer with a full linux install that has an internal dectalk card which 
> I don't think is supported at this point.  Does anyone know if it will 
> be?  The other alternative is to run the redhat Linux that I got off their 
> ftp site and burned on to cd's but not sure what to do with it from dos. on 
> my new and very fast computer.  I will be getting some help with that soon.
> 
> 	Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to run a lan 
> with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even 
> learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a thought!
> 
> -- Charlie Crawford.
>   
> 
> 
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Re: Dectalk internal pc card?

[Shaun Oliver]

wait a minute I take that back! I do apologise for that statement. I
didn't think about what I was saying.
however, as others on the list have suggested, eventually, Kirk will have
support for most synths built in to speakup at some time or another.


shaun..

FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
corrupt
. FEAR: Fear is my alli.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> the dectalk pc as far as I remember, is supported by speakup. I just can't
> remember the image you should be llooking for.
> 
> 
> shaun..
> 
> FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
> corrupt
> . FEAR: Fear is my alli.
> 
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Charles Crawford wrote:
> 
> > Well, I have finally decided to take a trip into this brave new world of 
> > Linux to see what I can do with it.  I will be using an old 200 mhz 
> > computer with a full linux install that has an internal dectalk card which 
> > I don't think is supported at this point.  Does anyone know if it will 
> > be?  The other alternative is to run the redhat Linux that I got off their 
> > ftp site and burned on to cd's but not sure what to do with it from dos. on 
> > my new and very fast computer.  I will be getting some help with that soon.
> > 
> > 	Any advice for novices?  I hope to get good enough with this to run a lan 
> > with internet connectivity as well.  Then if I stay with it, I might even 
> > learn this pearl language and start programming again.  God, what a thought!
> > 
> > -- Charlie Crawford.
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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