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* Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
@  Janina Sajka
   ` Sina Bahram
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup, blinux-list-bounces

Dear Friends:

We regret that the task of producing a Speakup MOdified kernel from
this week's release of Fedora Core 4 is proving problematic. At this time it
is impossible to say when the problem will be resolved. But, we thought
you'd want to know the issue is being looked into.

As a workaround, we've found it is possible to run the current kernel
from the Speakup Modified Fedora 3, but uone loses audio support when
doing this.



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* RE: Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
@  Dawes, Stephen
   ` David Csercsics
   ` Janina Sajka
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 33+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

A few questions:
1. How are things proceeding with the building of the kernels?

2. I am a little confused, Janina wrote earlier in this thread that
there are problems with compiling speakup into a 2.6.12 kernel. Yet,
when I look at the ISO of FC4, it has a 2.6.11-1.136 kernel. Why are
attempts being made to compile speakup for the FC4 release on a kernel
that is not part of the official release?
I only ask because 2.6.11 kernel has been successfully compiled with
speakup.

3. I have also noticed that FC4 no longer has kernel-utils included with
the core. Is this the new direction of kernel.org, or a Fedora decision?


Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 


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* RE: Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
@  Dawes, Stephen
   ` Janina Sajka
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

OK,

Instead of being so telegraphic in your reply, how about you explain the
naming structure that Fedora is using.



Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 2005 June 24 11:58 AM
> To: sdawes@telus.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
> 
> No, sir. Fedora has been very consistent about this for 
> years. You've just never noticed before.



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* RE: Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
@  Dawes, Stephen
   ` Janina Sajka
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

No Janina, I did not miss your statement "about not being interested in 
debating this topic." For whatever reason, you have never answered my
question about the rpm naming convention. 
Instead you have made accusations such as "irrelevant speculation" and
"idle speculation". You have also accuse me of making a lot of work for
you because of your work with the speakup modified fedora howto. Well, I
read the "HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution" that
is found at:
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/HOWTO_INSTALL.html
And no where in the document do you explain the rpm naming convention.
So, you are not really defending anything when you don't have the
information to defend in the first place. 

So, I ask again, only this time a little differently. Please provide the
definitive rpm naming convention, and how fedora is applying it. Perhaps
you can also provide an example after your explanation of the naming
convention where you can use the kernel distributed with fedora core 4.
This will go along way towards eliminate any confusion that I and I am
sure others have, about the kernel shipped with fedora core 4. 

I too am not asking for a debate, I am asking for clarification, that
for whatever reason up-and-until you aren't willing to provide. 

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 


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* RE: Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
@  Dawes, Stephen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sean McMahon, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Good point Sean, I missed the architecture when I was explaining my
understanding of the rpm naming convention.



Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
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http://www.calgary.ca
 


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Sean McMahon
> Sent: 2005 June 27 11:59 AM
> To: sdawes@telus.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
> 
> The version on the rpm also has the architecture.  How does 
> Fedora signify what is a release and a revision?  When we 
> build rpms here and according to an rpm howto, major and 
> minor versions are changes in the program and release numbers 
> refer to changes in the rpm itself which do not reflect 
> changes in the source code.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
> 
> 
> > Janina,
> >
> > Granted you wrote what you did in your first post, but it 
> still does not
> > explain the naming convention that you  are defending.
> >
> > Tell me where I am wrong here, and what of this is 
> "irrelevant speculation "
> >
> > As I understand the RPM naming convention:
> > Program name - This is the name of the application, module, 
> library, etc.
> > Version Major number - the latest version of the program.
> > Minor number - the minor version upgrade number of the 
> major version,
> > Revision Number - the latest revision of the minor version.
> > The rpm build number - the latest rpm of the program
> > The Distribution the program is compiled under.
> >
> > So if I have it right, then
> > kernel-2.6.11-1.136_FC4.rpm tells me the following
> > Program name - kernel
> > Major number - 2
> > Minor Number - 6
> > Revision number - 11
> > RPM build - 1.136
> > Distribution - FC4.
> >
> > There is no "idle speculation " when I read an rpm name and 
> it tells me the
> > above information.
> > So, you tell me in the naming convention where there is any 
> mention of the
> > level to which the kernel is patched and what has been 
> patched into it, and
> > as you put it:
> > "substantively the same as 2.6.12." I know that the kernel 
> is "It is a
> > 2.6.11
> > kernel", I acknowledged this fact in my earlier post and 
> again above.
> >
> > How is FC not confusing the issue when they decide to make 
> a 2.6.11 kernel
> > appear to be a 2.6.12 kernel by applying a number of 
> patches to it and then
> > calling it a kernel that for all intent it isn't?
> >
> > There is no intent for a debate of who is right or wrong 
> here Janina, all I
> > am doing is asking for clarification, and apparently, you 
> aren't willing to
> > provide it.
> >
> > Oh yeah, I did do a google on this topic, and I am not the 
> only one to think
> > this way.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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* RE: Speakup Modified Fedora 4 Will Be Delayed
@  Dawes, Stephen
   ` Sean McMahon
   ` Janina Sajka
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 33+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Yes you have answered that portion of the question, but you refuse to answer the question about where in the rpm naming convention does it tell me where the level of patching is indicated. You have said that the kernel is a 2.6.11 kernel that has a number of patches that makes it appear to be a 2.6.12 kernel. So do you or don't you know where it tells this information in the rpm naming convention and where exactly it is located in the kernel-2.6.11-1.136_FC4.i686.rpm name.

There is an old cliché that goes something like, "if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck." Well, as I said a long while back, if it looks like kernel-2.6.12, and it acts like kernel 2.6.12, then don't call it something that it isn't as fedora has done.

Janina, I have noticed something about the way in which you answer questions over the years. That is that you don't answer the entire question, but that you only answer the portion of the question that you feel like. This approach only provides partial information, and often is not what the requestor is looking for. You wrote that you maintain the fedora speakup modified howto, and for the work you do on this document it is good. However, your howto is only an installation document, and when people want to go beyond the information provided you start to get defensive and call their quest for information things like idle speculation. Janina, what is idle information is partial answers like the ones that you are in the habit of providing to peoples questions. 


Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 


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