speakup fedora core howto

speakup fedora core howto

[Jude DaShiell]

I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install and also 
in workstation type mode as well as server type.  The personal desktop and 
workstation types failed completely.  The software was put onto the system 
to run, but no speech in either of those installation types.  tried both 
telinit 5 and startx.  Startx so far doesn't work in server type over here 
but telinit 5 did work.  I expect the custom type to do no better than 
personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to the 
short beep on any of these installation types.

Re: speakup fedora core howto

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

Startx won't beep.  You really need to go learn the basics of X.

Once again! RTFM

          Kenny

On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:56:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install and also 
> in workstation type mode as well as server type.  The personal desktop and 
> workstation types failed completely.  The software was put onto the system 
> to run, but no speech in either of those installation types.  tried both 
> telinit 5 and startx.  Startx so far doesn't work in server type over here 
> but telinit 5 did work.  I expect the custom type to do no better than 
> personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to the 
> short beep on any of these installation types.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: speakup fedora core howto

[jim grimsby]

Hi, 
This is the attitude below that turns off the new user! 
Quite often the user has know idea where to rtfm as you put it.  
If you are going to refer the user to documentation it might be a good
idea to refair them to a section of the manual explaining what ever it
is they are asking about. 
Also not every user understands what the manual is talking about.  
As far as gnopernicus goes I do not see a manual page nor a info page on
it.  
It is not covered in any of the users guide I have seen so far.  
So where do we go to rtfm as you put it.  
Remember experts out there that you were a new user once.  
Also remember experts out there that in one place you are an expert in
others you might be a novus.  
Remember experts who have decided to be teachers andsuporters of the
program that reading manuals is good but a person needs to know what
manual to read. 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 8:05 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto


Hi.

Startx won't beep.  You really need to go learn the basics of X.

Once again! RTFM

          Kenny

On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:56:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install and 
> also
> in workstation type mode as well as server type.  The personal desktop
and 
> workstation types failed completely.  The software was put onto the
system 
> to run, but no speech in either of those installation types.  tried
both 
> telinit 5 and startx.  Startx so far doesn't work in server type over
here 
> but telinit 5 did work.  I expect the custom type to do no better than

> personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to the 
> short beep on any of these installation types.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Speakup mailing list
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Re: speakup fedora core howto

[Janina Sajka]

What is "type?"

If by "type," you actually mean the "sintallation class," you're not
going to get Gnopernicus out of "Server" or "Custom."

Follow the instructions and check "Everything" in the subsequent package
selection screen. You're trying to cut corners and that's just not
smart.

Jude DaShiell writes:
> I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install and also 
> in workstation type mode as well as server type.  The personal desktop and 
> workstation types failed completely.  The software was put onto the system 
> to run, but no speech in either of those installation types.  tried both 
> telinit 5 and startx.  Startx so far doesn't work in server type over here 
> but telinit 5 did work.  I expect the custom type to do no better than 
> personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to the 
> short beep on any of these installation types.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: speakup fedora core howto

[Janina Sajka]

To the contrary. The RTFM, in this instance, is sitting in the subject
line of this email thread.

>From the messages he's posted, it's very clear he hasn't read it very
carefully.

jim grimsby writes:
> Hi, 
> This is the attitude below that turns off the new user! 
> Quite often the user has know idea where to rtfm as you put it.  
> If you are going to refer the user to documentation it might be a good
> idea to refair them to a section of the manual explaining what ever it
> is they are asking about. 
> Also not every user understands what the manual is talking about.  
> As far as gnopernicus goes I do not see a manual page nor a info page on
> it.  
> It is not covered in any of the users guide I have seen so far.  
> So where do we go to rtfm as you put it.  
> Remember experts out there that you were a new user once.  
> Also remember experts out there that in one place you are an expert in
> others you might be a novus.  
> Remember experts who have decided to be teachers andsuporters of the
> program that reading manuals is good but a person needs to know what
> manual to read. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 8:05 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Startx won't beep.  You really need to go learn the basics of X.
> 
> Once again! RTFM
> 
>           Kenny
> 
> On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:56:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install and 
> > also
> > in workstation type mode as well as server type.  The personal desktop
> and 
> > workstation types failed completely.  The software was put onto the
> system 
> > to run, but no speech in either of those installation types.  tried
> both 
> > telinit 5 and startx.  Startx so far doesn't work in server type over
> here 
> > but telinit 5 did work.  I expect the custom type to do no better than
> 
> > personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to the 
> > short beep on any of these installation types.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

RE: speakup fedora core howto

[jim grimsby]

Hi,
Then if I spoke out of turn again I must humbly apologize.  My
impression was that he was having trouble getting gnopernicus working
not having trouble getting fc3 installed.  
Gnopernicus does not work yet over here yet and I rtfm everything I can
find so far on getting it working. The debian package that is built in
just will not work for the life of me.  I am going to check out a copy
from cvs later and see if I can make that work.  Even if you think the
manual he should be reading is oveus you might want to inform him to
reread section x.x of said manual.  
For example in section x of the howto it clearly states to use a server
install and to select everything everything will give you just that
everything.  
For more information see the manual.  
Just my thoughts.  


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:34 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto


To the contrary. The RTFM, in this instance, is sitting in the subject
line of this email thread.

>From the messages he's posted, it's very clear he hasn't read it very
carefully.

jim grimsby writes:
> Hi,
> This is the attitude below that turns off the new user! 
> Quite often the user has know idea where to rtfm as you put it.  
> If you are going to refer the user to documentation it might be a good
> idea to refair them to a section of the manual explaining what ever it
> is they are asking about. 
> Also not every user understands what the manual is talking about.  
> As far as gnopernicus goes I do not see a manual page nor a info page
on
> it.  
> It is not covered in any of the users guide I have seen so far.  
> So where do we go to rtfm as you put it.  
> Remember experts out there that you were a new user once.  
> Also remember experts out there that in one place you are an expert in
> others you might be a novus.  
> Remember experts who have decided to be teachers andsuporters of the
> program that reading manuals is good but a person needs to know what
> manual to read. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 8:05 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Startx won't beep.  You really need to go learn the basics of X.
> 
> Once again! RTFM
> 
>           Kenny
> 
> On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:56:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install 
> > and
> > also
> > in workstation type mode as well as server type.  The personal
desktop
> and
> > workstation types failed completely.  The software was put onto the
> system
> > to run, but no speech in either of those installation types.  tried
> both
> > telinit 5 and startx.  Startx so far doesn't work in server type 
> > over
> here
> > but telinit 5 did work.  I expect the custom type to do no better 
> > than
> 
> > personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to 
> > the
> > short beep on any of these installation types.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC
http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different
problem.


_______________________________________________
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Re: speakup fedora core howto

[Janina Sajka]

Yeah, it is clearly more helpful to send someone to a hash offset in the
HOWTO, but that means I have to go look it up. Sometimes, that's more
than I can do for whatever reason.

jim grimsby writes:
> Hi,
> Then if I spoke out of turn again I must humbly apologize.  My
> impression was that he was having trouble getting gnopernicus working
> not having trouble getting fc3 installed.  
> Gnopernicus does not work yet over here yet and I rtfm everything I can
> find so far on getting it working. The debian package that is built in
> just will not work for the life of me.  I am going to check out a copy
> from cvs later and see if I can make that work.  Even if you think the
> manual he should be reading is oveus you might want to inform him to
> reread section x.x of said manual.  
> For example in section x of the howto it clearly states to use a server
> install and to select everything everything will give you just that
> everything.  
> For more information see the manual.  
> Just my thoughts.  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:34 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto
> 
> 
> To the contrary. The RTFM, in this instance, is sitting in the subject
> line of this email thread.
> 
> >From the messages he's posted, it's very clear he hasn't read it very
> carefully.
> 
> jim grimsby writes:
> > Hi,
> > This is the attitude below that turns off the new user! 
> > Quite often the user has know idea where to rtfm as you put it.  
> > If you are going to refer the user to documentation it might be a good
> > idea to refair them to a section of the manual explaining what ever it
> > is they are asking about. 
> > Also not every user understands what the manual is talking about.  
> > As far as gnopernicus goes I do not see a manual page nor a info page
> on
> > it.  
> > It is not covered in any of the users guide I have seen so far.  
> > So where do we go to rtfm as you put it.  
> > Remember experts out there that you were a new user once.  
> > Also remember experts out there that in one place you are an expert in
> > others you might be a novus.  
> > Remember experts who have decided to be teachers andsuporters of the
> > program that reading manuals is good but a person needs to know what
> > manual to read. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
> > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 8:05 AM
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> > Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto
> > 
> > 
> > Hi.
> > 
> > Startx won't beep.  You really need to go learn the basics of X.
> > 
> > Once again! RTFM
> > 
> >           Kenny
> > 
> > On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:56:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install 
> > > and
> > > also
> > > in workstation type mode as well as server type.  The personal
> desktop
> > and
> > > workstation types failed completely.  The software was put onto the
> > system
> > > to run, but no speech in either of those installation types.  tried
> > both
> > > telinit 5 and startx.  Startx so far doesn't work in server type 
> > > over
> > here
> > > but telinit 5 did work.  I expect the custom type to do no better 
> > > than
> > 
> > > personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to 
> > > the
> > > short beep on any of these installation types.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC
> http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
> 
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different
> problem.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.