From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from concerto.rednote.net ([66.92.170.139]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DSb3Z-0007dV-00 for ; Mon, 02 May 2005 09:33:53 -0400 Received: from concerto.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by concerto.rednote.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42DXrA8014708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:33:53 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by concerto.rednote.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j42DXrFG014707 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:33:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:33:53 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Message-ID: <20050502133353.GC8061@rednote.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <20050501150437.GA31146@blackbox> <000a01c54e9a$5ddb2420$220110ac@jim> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000a01c54e9a$5ddb2420$220110ac@jim> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: Linux concerto.rednote.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 13:33:54 -0000 To the contrary. The RTFM, in this instance, is sitting in the subject line of this email thread. >>From the messages he's posted, it's very clear he hasn't read it very carefully. jim grimsby writes: > Hi, > This is the attitude below that turns off the new user! > Quite often the user has know idea where to rtfm as you put it. > If you are going to refer the user to documentation it might be a good > idea to refair them to a section of the manual explaining what ever it > is they are asking about. > Also not every user understands what the manual is talking about. > As far as gnopernicus goes I do not see a manual page nor a info page on > it. > It is not covered in any of the users guide I have seen so far. > So where do we go to rtfm as you put it. > Remember experts out there that you were a new user once. > Also remember experts out there that in one place you are an expert in > others you might be a novus. > Remember experts who have decided to be teachers andsuporters of the > program that reading manuals is good but a person needs to know what > manual to read. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 8:05 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto > > > Hi. > > Startx won't beep. You really need to go learn the basics of X. > > Once again! RTFM > > Kenny > > On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:56:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install and > > also > > in workstation type mode as well as server type. The personal desktop > and > > workstation types failed completely. The software was put onto the > system > > to run, but no speech in either of those installation types. tried > both > > telinit 5 and startx. Startx so far doesn't work in server type over > here > > but telinit 5 did work. I expect the custom type to do no better than > > > personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to the > > short beep on any of these installation types. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.