From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.78]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DShw5-0004L8-00 for ; Mon, 02 May 2005 16:54:37 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.234.189.218] Received: from jim (adsl-69-234-189-218.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net [69.234.189.218]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42KsOPZ078488 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:54:35 -0400 From: "jim grimsby" To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:55:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c54f59$3b6c3cc0$220110ac@jim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050502133353.GC8061@rednote.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: speakup fedora core howto X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 20:54:38 -0000 Hi, Then if I spoke out of turn again I must humbly apologize. My impression was that he was having trouble getting gnopernicus working not having trouble getting fc3 installed. =20 Gnopernicus does not work yet over here yet and I rtfm everything I can find so far on getting it working. The debian package that is built in just will not work for the life of me. I am going to check out a copy from cvs later and see if I can make that work. Even if you think the manual he should be reading is oveus you might want to inform him to reread section x.x of said manual. =20 For example in section x of the howto it clearly states to use a server install and to select everything everything will give you just that everything. =20 For more information see the manual. =20 Just my thoughts. =20 -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:34 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto To the contrary. The RTFM, in this instance, is sitting in the subject line of this email thread. >>From the messages he's posted, it's very clear he hasn't read it very carefully. jim grimsby writes: > Hi, > This is the attitude below that turns off the new user!=20 > Quite often the user has know idea where to rtfm as you put it. =20 > If you are going to refer the user to documentation it might be a good > idea to refair them to a section of the manual explaining what ever it > is they are asking about.=20 > Also not every user understands what the manual is talking about. =20 > As far as gnopernicus goes I do not see a manual page nor a info page on > it. =20 > It is not covered in any of the users guide I have seen so far. =20 > So where do we go to rtfm as you put it. =20 > Remember experts out there that you were a new user once. =20 > Also remember experts out there that in one place you are an expert in > others you might be a novus. =20 > Remember experts who have decided to be teachers andsuporters of the > program that reading manuals is good but a person needs to know what > manual to read.=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca=20 > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 8:05 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup fedora core howto >=20 >=20 > Hi. >=20 > Startx won't beep. You really need to go learn the basics of X. >=20 > Once again! RTFM >=20 > Kenny >=20 > On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:56:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > I have tried running gnopernicus in personal desktop type install=20 > > and > > also > > in workstation type mode as well as server type. The personal desktop > and > > workstation types failed completely. The software was put onto the > system > > to run, but no speech in either of those installation types. tried > both > > telinit 5 and startx. Startx so far doesn't work in server type=20 > > over > here > > but telinit 5 did work. I expect the custom type to do no better=20 > > than >=20 > > personal desktop or workstation. The startx command never gets to=20 > > the > > short beep on any of these installation types. > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca=20 > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca=20 > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup --=20 Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup