Re: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

Re: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

[Kirk Reiser]

Hello Young: I am affraid I can't answer your question about whether
speakup is available under Oricle Enterprise Linux.  My suggestion
there is that you make this same request on the speakup mailing list.
There are many folks on the list that use various distributions of
linux with speakup.  If the Oricle distribution enables the kernel's
staging tree then speakup should work with it by just loading the
appropriate modules.

The screen reader most often used with graphics "X11" is orca.  They
have their own mailing list which I recommend you joining as well if
you wish to use X.

Good luck with your persuits and welcome to the gnu/linux community.
I find it is a much more satisfying group of people than the Windows
community.

   Kirk

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, ylees wrote:

> Dear Kirk,
>
> My name is Young Lee.  I'm a visually impaired person who's currently in a process of becoming an Oracle certified master.  However in order for me to pass the final step for becoming an OCM, I must be able to use Oracle Enterprise linux and Oracle applications running under that OEL.  Is it also possible to install Speakup under Oracle Enterprise linux?  If this is possible, could you please point me to some reference on detailed instructions for how to install the Speakup under OEL?  Also, how well does the Speakup work with applications with graphical user interface?  Does it work as well as Jaws?  Is it possible for a blind person to use Oracle applications under linux using the Speakup?  Your response will be greatly appreciated as this will be a valuable information in pursuing my career as Oracle DBA.  Thank you in advance and I'll look forward to hearing back from you.
>
>
>
> sincerely,
>
> Young Lee

--
Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

[Jason White]

Kirk Reiser  <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:
>Hello Young: I am affraid I can't answer your question about whether
>speakup is available under Oricle Enterprise Linux.  My suggestion
>there is that you make this same request on the speakup mailing list.
>There are many folks on the list that use various distributions of
>linux with speakup.  

Oracle Enterprise Linux is a modified form of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, but
Oracle builds its own kernels now according to what I have read.

Details that you can find via the Web or the list regarding Speakup and Red
Hat may also apply to Oracle.

Re: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi,
If you can find the kernel headers that correspond to the kernel running 
on the Oracle Enterprise linux, you should be able to build speakup for 
that box even if the staging modules are not present.
You can however do most things through a remote ssh connection to an 
oracle server.
When you talk about Oracle applications, I suppose you refer to things 
like Oracle financials etc.
My own experience with those which was long ago, indicated that Oracle's 
apps are notoriusly inaccessible.
Unless life in the Oracle world has changed a lot, I do not see the need 
to be able to work on the Oracle server directly with spee=ch. Use ssh 
from a normal linux PC for that.
Others with more reacent Oracle experience should confirm/deny this.
HTH, Willem


On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> Hello Young: I am affraid I can't answer your question about whether
> speakup is available under Oricle Enterprise Linux.  My suggestion
> there is that you make this same request on the speakup mailing list.
> There are many folks on the list that use various distributions of
> linux with speakup.  If the Oricle distribution enables the kernel's
> staging tree then speakup should work with it by just loading the
> appropriate modules.
>
> The screen reader most often used with graphics "X11" is orca.  They
> have their own mailing list which I recommend you joining as well if
> you wish to use X.
>
> Good luck with your persuits and welcome to the gnu/linux community.
> I find it is a much more satisfying group of people than the Windows
> community.
>
>  Kirk
>
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, ylees wrote:
>
>> Dear Kirk,
>> 
>> My name is Young Lee.  I'm a visually impaired person who's currently in a 
>> process of becoming an Oracle certified master.  However in order for me to 
>> pass the final step for becoming an OCM, I must be able to use Oracle 
>> Enterprise linux and Oracle applications running under that OEL.  Is it 
>> also possible to install Speakup under Oracle Enterprise linux?  If this is 
>> possible, could you please point me to some reference on detailed 
>> instructions for how to install the Speakup under OEL?  Also, how well does 
>> the Speakup work with applications with graphical user interface?  Does it 
>> work as well as Jaws?  Is it possible for a blind person to use Oracle 
>> applications under linux using the Speakup?  Your response will be greatly 
>> appreciated as this will be a valuable information in pursuing my career as 
>> Oracle DBA.  Thank you in advance and I'll look forward to hearing back 
>> from you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> sincerely,
>> 
>> Young Lee
>
> --
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
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> Speakup mailing list
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>
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RE: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

[Don Raikes]

Hi all,

I didn't read the entire thread before my prior post.

EM and most of the oracle applications are now written to be used via the web, so that shouldn't be a problem either from a windows pc or from firefox under EL with orca.

Sqlplus is a command-line client, so simply use orca and open a gnome-terminal window and run sqlplus in it.  I can verify that this works well.  Because I need to setup an EL virtual machine for some of my testing, I will check on getting Speakup to work as I have some time and get back to the list about it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 1:38 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Cc: ylees
Subject: Re: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

Hi,
If you can find the kernel headers that correspond to the kernel running on the Oracle Enterprise linux, you should be able to build speakup for that box even if the staging modules are not present.
You can however do most things through a remote ssh connection to an oracle server.
When you talk about Oracle applications, I suppose you refer to things like Oracle financials etc.
My own experience with those which was long ago, indicated that Oracle's apps are notoriusly inaccessible.
Unless life in the Oracle world has changed a lot, I do not see the need to be able to work on the Oracle server directly with spee=ch. Use ssh from a normal linux PC for that.
Others with more reacent Oracle experience should confirm/deny this.
HTH, Willem


On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> Hello Young: I am affraid I can't answer your question about whether 
> speakup is available under Oricle Enterprise Linux.  My suggestion 
> there is that you make this same request on the speakup mailing list.
> There are many folks on the list that use various distributions of 
> linux with speakup.  If the Oricle distribution enables the kernel's 
> staging tree then speakup should work with it by just loading the 
> appropriate modules.
>
> The screen reader most often used with graphics "X11" is orca.  They 
> have their own mailing list which I recommend you joining as well if 
> you wish to use X.
>
> Good luck with your persuits and welcome to the gnu/linux community.
> I find it is a much more satisfying group of people than the Windows 
> community.
>
>  Kirk
>
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, ylees wrote:
>
>> Dear Kirk,
>> 
>> My name is Young Lee.  I'm a visually impaired person who's currently 
>> in a process of becoming an Oracle certified master.  However in 
>> order for me to pass the final step for becoming an OCM, I must be 
>> able to use Oracle Enterprise linux and Oracle applications running 
>> under that OEL.  Is it also possible to install Speakup under Oracle 
>> Enterprise linux?  If this is possible, could you please point me to 
>> some reference on detailed instructions for how to install the 
>> Speakup under OEL?  Also, how well does the Speakup work with 
>> applications with graphical user interface?  Does it work as well as 
>> Jaws?  Is it possible for a blind person to use Oracle applications 
>> under linux using the Speakup?  Your response will be greatly 
>> appreciated as this will be a valuable information in pursuing my 
>> career as Oracle DBA.  Thank you in advance and I'll look forward to hearing back from you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> sincerely,
>> 
>> Young Lee
>
> --
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, 
> e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) 
> standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html.
>
> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by 
> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
>
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RE: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

[Don Raikes]

Young,

I am not currently using oracle enterprise Linux with orca, although I did a quick test with it about a month ago, and it was fairly accessible.

The biggest issue for using the Oracle database on Linux (no matter which distro), is that you need to have the java accessibility wrapper installed into the jvm so that orca can interact with the database installer which is written in java.  

I am assuming, that you are wanting the full-blown version of the database not just the express database since it lacks some of the functionality that the full database has.  The express database can be installed simply by installing a package on both redhat/fedora distros and debian/ubuntu distros.

I will be out of the office most of this week, but when I return I will be installing Enterprise Linux along with a full-blown 12C database so I will be able to give more detailed feedback at that point.

-----Original Message-----
From: ylees [mailto:ylees@masonlive.gmu.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:32 PM
To: Don Raikes; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: RE: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

Hello Don,

So are you currently using the Oracle Enterprise Linux with Orca?  Is the Orca accessible enough so a blind person can install, create, maintain, and manage the Oracle database Under OEL using just the Orca without too much issue?  Since I've never used the linux before, I'm trying to gather as much information as possible before I decide which linux distribution is right choice for my situation.  Thanks.




________________________________________
From: Don Raikes [DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:45 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Cc: ylees
Subject: RE: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

Hi all,

I didn't read the entire thread before my prior post.

EM and most of the oracle applications are now written to be used via the web, so that shouldn't be a problem either from a windows pc or from firefox under EL with orca.

Sqlplus is a command-line client, so simply use orca and open a gnome-terminal window and run sqlplus in it.  I can verify that this works well.  Because I need to setup an EL virtual machine for some of my testing, I will check on getting Speakup to work as I have some time and get back to the list about it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 1:38 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Cc: ylees
Subject: Re: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

Hi,
If you can find the kernel headers that correspond to the kernel running on the Oracle Enterprise linux, you should be able to build speakup for that box even if the staging modules are not present.
You can however do most things through a remote ssh connection to an oracle server.
When you talk about Oracle applications, I suppose you refer to things like Oracle financials etc.
My own experience with those which was long ago, indicated that Oracle's apps are notoriusly inaccessible.
Unless life in the Oracle world has changed a lot, I do not see the need to be able to work on the Oracle server directly with spee=ch. Use ssh from a normal linux PC for that.
Others with more reacent Oracle experience should confirm/deny this.
HTH, Willem


On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> Hello Young: I am affraid I can't answer your question about whether 
> speakup is available under Oricle Enterprise Linux.  My suggestion 
> there is that you make this same request on the speakup mailing list.
> There are many folks on the list that use various distributions of 
> linux with speakup.  If the Oricle distribution enables the kernel's 
> staging tree then speakup should work with it by just loading the 
> appropriate modules.
>
> The screen reader most often used with graphics "X11" is orca.  They 
> have their own mailing list which I recommend you joining as well if 
> you wish to use X.
>
> Good luck with your persuits and welcome to the gnu/linux community.
> I find it is a much more satisfying group of people than the Windows 
> community.
>
>  Kirk
>
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, ylees wrote:
>
>> Dear Kirk,
>>
>> My name is Young Lee.  I'm a visually impaired person who's currently 
>> in a process of becoming an Oracle certified master.  However in 
>> order for me to pass the final step for becoming an OCM, I must be 
>> able to use Oracle Enterprise linux and Oracle applications running 
>> under that OEL.  Is it also possible to install Speakup under Oracle 
>> Enterprise linux?  If this is possible, could you please point me to 
>> some reference on detailed instructions for how to install the 
>> Speakup under OEL?  Also, how well does the Speakup work with 
>> applications with graphical user interface?  Does it work as well as 
>> Jaws?  Is it possible for a blind person to use Oracle applications 
>> under linux using the Speakup?  Your response will be greatly 
>> appreciated as this will be a valuable information in pursuing my 
>> career as Oracle DBA.  Thank you in advance and I'll look forward to hearing back from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> sincerely,
>>
>> Young Lee
>
> --
> Kirk Reiser                           The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca           University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
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>
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RE: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

[Don Raikes]

Hello Young et al,

As far as I know, speakup is not available in oracle enterprise linux, however, I am willing to do some checking to see if it is available in the repository.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Reiser [mailto:kirk@braille.uwo.ca] 
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:25 AM
To: ylees
Cc: speakup-request@braille.uwo.ca; speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Speakup for Oracle Enterprise Linux

Hello Young: I am affraid I can't answer your question about whether speakup is available under Oricle Enterprise Linux.  My suggestion there is that you make this same request on the speakup mailing list.
There are many folks on the list that use various distributions of linux with speakup.  If the Oricle distribution enables the kernel's staging tree then speakup should work with it by just loading the appropriate modules.

The screen reader most often used with graphics "X11" is orca.  They have their own mailing list which I recommend you joining as well if you wish to use X.

Good luck with your persuits and welcome to the gnu/linux community.
I find it is a much more satisfying group of people than the Windows community.

   Kirk

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, ylees wrote:

> Dear Kirk,
>
> My name is Young Lee.  I'm a visually impaired person who's currently in a process of becoming an Oracle certified master.  However in order for me to pass the final step for becoming an OCM, I must be able to use Oracle Enterprise linux and Oracle applications running under that OEL.  Is it also possible to install Speakup under Oracle Enterprise linux?  If this is possible, could you please point me to some reference on detailed instructions for how to install the Speakup under OEL?  Also, how well does the Speakup work with applications with graphical user interface?  Does it work as well as Jaws?  Is it possible for a blind person to use Oracle applications under linux using the Speakup?  Your response will be greatly appreciated as this will be a valuable information in pursuing my career as Oracle DBA.  Thank you in advance and I'll look forward to hearing back from you.
>
>
>
> sincerely,
>
> Young Lee

--
Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061
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