Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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Hi all
Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology 
program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu 
review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.

What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear 
demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it 
over several parts.

To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list 
with your ideas and suggestions.

Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may 
be interested.

Thanks
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Jayson Smith]

Hi,
What's VoiceOver?
Thanks.

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Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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> Hi all
> Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
> program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
> review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
>
> What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
> demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
> over several parts.
>
> To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
> with your ideas and suggestions.
>
> Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
> be interested.
>
> Thanks
> - --
> Luke
>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> What's VoiceOver?

VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4 
release.

Go to the following link to find out more.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
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Luke

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

oops, I was thinking of main menu.
Glenn

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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> What's VoiceOver?

VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4 
release.

Go to the following link to find out more.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
- -- 
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Alex Snow]

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, 
and maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
> 
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4 
> release.
> 
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - -- 
> Luke
> 
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Ryan Mann]

Besides how well it works with the GUI, I would want to know 
how well it worksin the OSX console.


On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Alex Snow wrote:

> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui,
> and maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
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> be fun...
> 	-- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

What specifically would you like to see the console do?

-- 
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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Besides how well it works with the GUI, I would want to know 
how well it worksin the OSX console.


On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Alex Snow wrote:

> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui,
> and maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
>> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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>
> -- 
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> be fun...
> -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
>
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RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Sina Bahram]

Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
> 
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4 
> release.
> 
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
> 
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

Sina and all,

To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never 
because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of 
"quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively 
high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably 
comparable to pc software speech.

I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
>
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
> release.
>
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

Will VoiceOver work with a USB speech synthesizer?
Glenn

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From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Sina and all,

To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
"quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively
high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
comparable to pc software speech.

I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
>
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
> release.
>
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

VoiceOver utillizes mac speech so if there are drivers available for mac 
speech to use with an external synth, it will.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Will VoiceOver work with a USB speech synthesizer?
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Sina and all,

To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
"quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively
high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
comparable to pc software speech.

I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
>
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
> release.
>
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

Are there drivers for Mac Speech to use an external synth?
Glenn

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From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


VoiceOver utillizes mac speech so if there are drivers available for mac
speech to use with an external synth, it will.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Will VoiceOver work with a USB speech synthesizer?
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Sina and all,

To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
"quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively
high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
comparable to pc software speech.

I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
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04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
>
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
> release.
>
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

not to my knowledge.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Are there drivers for Mac Speech to use an external synth?
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


VoiceOver utillizes mac speech so if there are drivers available for mac
speech to use with an external synth, it will.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Will VoiceOver work with a USB speech synthesizer?
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Sina and all,

To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
"quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively
high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
comparable to pc software speech.

I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
>
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
> release.
>
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 12:43:00AM EST, Glenn at home wrote:
> Are there drivers for Mac Speech to use an external synth?

The only external synth options would have to be via USB. Since the 
NewWorld macs started shipping in 1999, the serial ports were dropped 
entirely, in favour of FireWire and USB.
- -- 
Luke

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

But if there no drivers, or it is not written into the VoiceOver program, or 
the OS, then I guess the point of the interface is mute.  I am still 
uncomfortable with relying on software speech alone.
Glenn

The only external synth options would have to be via USB. Since the
NewWorld macs started shipping in 1999, the serial ports were dropped
entirely, in favour of FireWire and USB.
- -- 
Luke

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[EPYD Productions]

why?
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| But if there no drivers, or it is not written into the VoiceOver program,
or
| the OS, then I guess the point of the interface is mute.  I am still
| uncomfortable with relying on software speech alone.
| Glenn
|
| The only external synth options would have to be via USB. Since the
| NewWorld macs started shipping in 1999, the serial ports were dropped
| entirely, in favour of FireWire and USB.
| - --
| Luke
|
| Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

If you don't know why, then you would not understand an explanation.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


why?
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| But if there no drivers, or it is not written into the VoiceOver program,
or
| the OS, then I guess the point of the interface is mute.  I am still
| uncomfortable with relying on software speech alone.
| Glenn
|
| The only external synth options would have to be via USB. Since the
| NewWorld macs started shipping in 1999, the serial ports were dropped
| entirely, in favour of FireWire and USB.
| - --
| Luke
|
| Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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Hi all
Just a note about hardware and software compatibility.

I don't mind trying to answer questions about what synths or sound cards 
etc may work, but it might be worthwhile doing some searching on Google 
about the Mac and PowerPC architecture, what Macs have come with since 
the NewWorld macs were first released in 1999, and the different 
processors used, and their differences and similarities.

Then, I would suggest doing some general reading about OS X itself and 
how the previous operating systems for Mac were different. You then 
might find things easier to understand when you hear about the various 
VoiceOver features and the Mac hardware and software that is available.
- -- 
Luke

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Ryan Mann]

What word processors does VoiceOver work with?


On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Glenn at home wrote:

> Are there drivers for Mac Speech to use an external synth?
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> VoiceOver utillizes mac speech so if there are drivers available for mac
> speech to use with an external synth, it will.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Will VoiceOver work with a USB speech synthesizer?
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Sina and all,
>
> To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
> because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
> "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively
> high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
> comparable to pc software speech.
>
> I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
>
> Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
> links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
> field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
> navigation.
>
> Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
> extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
> not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Alex Snow
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
> maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
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> Linux
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 05:54:36AM EST, Ryan Mann wrote:
> What word processors does VoiceOver work with?

At this stage, only the text editor that comes with OS X, called 
TextEdit works. It can also do some word processing, such as different 
text sizes and fonts.
- -- 
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Jane Lee]

I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. 
After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
VoiceOver started.

You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.

On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.

Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
"family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.

Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
activation (like Windows) either.

If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
out with most of the smaller issues.

If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.

cheers
jane

RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Sina Bahram]

Hi Jane,

Accessible installation? Can you please ilaborate on this?

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Jane Lee
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:32 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS X
operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. 
After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform because of
the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they should do all of
the accessibility work in house, and that's how VoiceOver started.

You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like Windows or
Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means that VoiceOver
cannot work on an iPod.

On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is called
the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the 29th of April,
as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the Mac mini, it will come
with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning on going out maybe today or
within the next week, inquire about whether or not it comes with Tiger,
which is the OS that VoiceOver comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be
warned, the Mac mini does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.
This computer was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers
that don't mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or
the Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.

Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for, it
comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party retailers will
have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers and college students
will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a university bookstore at the
education price, which is 69 dollars.  A "family pack" that gives you a
license for use up to 5 computers is 200 dollars but has restrictions and
only comes with one install disk.

Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac, but I
found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver enabled login
menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy to use.  There's no
serial number to install the OS and there's no activation (like Windows)
either.

If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple retail
store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all the stores
should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on VoiceOver for the
first time).  If you have technical questions on problems with your Mac,
feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help out with most of the smaller
issues.

If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple, their
computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.

cheers
jane

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 08:37:17AM EST, Sina Bahram wrote:
> Hi Jane,
> 
> Accessible installation? Can you please ilaborate on this?

VoiceOver is available during install, so the installation can be 
performed completely independantly of sited assistance.
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Jane Lee]

ah, thanks for clearing that up.
cheers
jane

On 4/30/05, Luke Yelavich <themuso@themuso.com> wrote:

> VoiceOver is available during install, so the installation can be
> performed completely independantly of sited assistance.
>

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

Put in the dvd, hold down the c key and turn on the Mac.  After the disk is 
loaded, press command+f5 and voice over begins to speak.  The first thing 
you will do is select your install language.  This is the language that will 
be used during the installation process and there after if you don't change 
it.  English is the default so you can press enter here because VoiceOver 
works with english only.  At this point, everything is available thorugh 
VoiceOver so you choose your settings for the install by using tab arrows 
and the space bar or leave them at their defaults.  Once the install 
finishes, you can choose a tutorial that teaches you how to use voice over 
to finish the customization portion of the install and beyond.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Jane Lee'" <applegoddess@gmail.com>; "'Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Hi Jane,

Accessible installation? Can you please ilaborate on this?

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Jane Lee
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:32 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS X
operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws.
After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform because of
the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they should do all of
the accessibility work in house, and that's how VoiceOver started.

You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like Windows or
Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means that VoiceOver
cannot work on an iPod.

On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is called
the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the 29th of April,
as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the Mac mini, it will come
with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning on going out maybe today or
within the next week, inquire about whether or not it comes with Tiger,
which is the OS that VoiceOver comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be
warned, the Mac mini does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.
This computer was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers
that don't mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or
the Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.

Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for, it
comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party retailers will
have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers and college students
will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a university bookstore at the
education price, which is 69 dollars.  A "family pack" that gives you a
license for use up to 5 computers is 200 dollars but has restrictions and
only comes with one install disk.

Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac, but I
found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver enabled login
menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy to use.  There's no
serial number to install the OS and there's no activation (like Windows)
either.

If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple retail
store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all the stores
should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on VoiceOver for the
first time).  If you have technical questions on problems with your Mac,
feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help out with most of the smaller
issues.

If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple, their
computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.

cheers
jane

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

I think this was posted earlier, but you can get some older macs that will 
meet the min specs for tiger for under 500 dollars and they will often come 
with everything you'll need that does not cost extra beyond the basic 
system.  You will probably still have to buy the upgrade, but still you come 
out ahead.

If you buy a mac from an apple retailer that does not have tiger on it, you 
can buy the upgrade for $9.95.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws.
After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
VoiceOver started.

You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.

On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.

Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
"family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.

Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
activation (like Windows) either.

If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
out with most of the smaller issues.

If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.

cheers
jane

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Janina Sajka]

I have a hard time conceivingg of a kernel based access as "stand
alone."

Still, but really tickles me is that you mention Speakup in the same
breath with JAWS, and you even mention it first.

Seems we've arrived.

Jane Lee writes:
> I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
> X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. 
> After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
> because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
> should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
> VoiceOver started.
> 
> You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
> Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
> that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.
> 
> On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
> called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
> 29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
> Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
> on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
> whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
> comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
> does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
> was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
> mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
> Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.
> 
> Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
> it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
> retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
> and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
> university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
> "family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
> 200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.
> 
> Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
> but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
> enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
> to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
> activation (like Windows) either.
> 
> If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
> retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
> the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
> VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
> problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
> out with most of the smaller issues.
> 
> If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
> their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.
> 
> cheers
> jane
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Jane Lee]

On 4/30/05, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> I have a hard time conceivingg of a kernel based access as "stand
> alone."
> 
> Still, but really tickles me is that you mention Speakup in the same
> breath with JAWS, and you even mention it first.
> 
> Seems we've arrived.

:p  well sorry. 

the speakup/jaws thing is pretty funny though, i work more with jaws
than anything else, you'd think i'd mention it first.  hehe.

and david: you can get older Macs that can run tiger, but it's going
to run pretty slowly.  and the up-to-date thing only works if you
bought it during a certain period of time from apple or an apple
certified reseller.

cheers
jane

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

Jane,
I'm checked out on both points and I am fairly sure that I did say apple 
retailor.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>
To: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system 
for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


On 4/30/05, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> I have a hard time conceivingg of a kernel based access as "stand
> alone."
>
> Still, but really tickles me is that you mention Speakup in the same
> breath with JAWS, and you even mention it first.
>
> Seems we've arrived.

:p  well sorry.

the speakup/jaws thing is pretty funny though, i work more with jaws
than anything else, you'd think i'd mention it first.  hehe.

and david: you can get older Macs that can run tiger, but it's going
to run pretty slowly.  and the up-to-date thing only works if you
bought it during a certain period of time from apple or an apple
certified reseller.

cheers
jane

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 09:36:50AM EST, Jane Lee wrote:
> and david: you can get older Macs that can run tiger, but it's going
> to run pretty slowly.  and the up-to-date thing only works if you
> bought it during a certain period of time from apple or an apple
> certified reseller.

I am running OS X 10.4 with VoiceOver here on a Powermac G3 300, and for 
the most part, it is quite usable. It takes ages when collating a list 
of links or items in Safari, but that is the slowest thing I have found 
so far.

I am going to be getting a CPU upgrade soon anyway I think, but find it 
ok for now.
- -- 
Luke

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Sean McMahon]

If voiceover is built-in, does this mean you can configure/install a whole
operating system from scratch without sited assistance?  I don't know how more
built-in you could get then speakup which is patched into the kernel.  If you
mean comes with linux, well what comes with linux depends on you really.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for
Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> I have a hard time conceivingg of a kernel based access as "stand
> alone."
>
> Still, but really tickles me is that you mention Speakup in the same
> breath with JAWS, and you even mention it first.
>
> Seems we've arrived.
>
> Jane Lee writes:
> > I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
> > X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws.
> > After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
> > because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
> > should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
> > VoiceOver started.
> >
> > You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
> > Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
> > that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.
> >
> > On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
> > called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
> > 29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
> > Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
> > on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
> > whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
> > comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
> > does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
> > was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
> > mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
> > Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.
> >
> > Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
> > it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
> > retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
> > and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
> > university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
> > "family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
> > 200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.
> >
> > Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
> > but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
> > enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
> > to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
> > activation (like Windows) either.
> >
> > If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
> > retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
> > the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
> > VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
> > problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
> > out with most of the smaller issues.
> >
> > If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
> > their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.
> >
> > cheers
> > jane
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
>
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Karen Lewellen]

As I understand it, there is nothing to install at all.
its a part of the system.
Karen

On Mon, 2 May 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:

> If voiceover is built-in, does this mean you can configure/install a whole
> operating system from scratch without sited assistance?  I don't know how more
> built-in you could get then speakup which is patched into the kernel.  If you
> mean comes with linux, well what comes with linux depends on you really.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for
> Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
>> I have a hard time conceivingg of a kernel based access as "stand
>> alone."
>>
>> Still, but really tickles me is that you mention Speakup in the same
>> breath with JAWS, and you even mention it first.
>>
>> Seems we've arrived.
>>
>> Jane Lee writes:
>>> I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
>>> X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws.
>>> After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
>>> because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
>>> should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
>>> VoiceOver started.
>>>
>>> You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
>>> Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
>>> that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.
>>>
>>> On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
>>> called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
>>> 29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
>>> Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
>>> on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
>>> whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
>>> comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
>>> does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
>>> was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
>>> mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
>>> Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.
>>>
>>> Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
>>> it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
>>> retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
>>> and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
>>> university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
>>> "family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
>>> 200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.
>>>
>>> Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
>>> but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
>>> enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
>>> to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
>>> activation (like Windows) either.
>>>
>>> If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
>>> retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
>>> the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
>>> VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
>>> problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
>>> out with most of the smaller issues.
>>>
>>> If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
>>> their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> jane
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> --
>>
>> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>>
>> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>>
>> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 06:44:00AM EST, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> As I understand it, there is nothing to install at all.
> its a part of the system.

That is indeed correct. YOu can even use VoiceOver to help you through 
the install process.
- -- 
Luke

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Buddy Brannan]

Hey Luke,

I'm a bit curious; have you tried Voiceover with Skype? Does it work at all, or is it a hopeless case? 
-- 
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

voice over works with skype, but it is tricky.

-- 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Hey Luke,

I'm a bit curious; have you tried Voiceover with Skype? Does it work at all, 
or is it a hopeless case?
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Buddy Brannan]

Tricky is OK if it actually works. But that's excellent! Yay, Windows
can take a long walk off a short pier (eer?)! Course, I guess one has
to get the Griffin audio interface doohikis, since a lot of Macs don't
appear to have a mic input for some reason? Odd. Anyway, I think
Melanie's next computer--and one of mine--will be a Mac. Course,
naturally we'll keep Linux boxen too, but. Think it's important to
support Apple's efforts, too.
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV : Co-Mod. of http://www.assist.com/Pennsylvania
---------------------------------------------------------------------
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repair, defend, and correct itself. MIT says this discovery will 
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Jane Lee]

If my memory is worth anything, all of the Apple laptops and the
consumer desktops (like the iMac and the eMac) all have built in mics
(they're not that bad either).  Where it's missing is in the pro
desktop Power Mac G5 line, but there there's stereo and optical audio
in.
And why not just run ppc linux on the mac(s)?

cheers
jane

On 5/2/05, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
> Tricky is OK if it actually works. But that's excellent! Yay, Windows
> can take a long walk off a short pier (eer?)! Course, I guess one has
> to get the Griffin audio interface doohikis, since a lot of Macs don't
> appear to have a mic input for some reason? Odd. Anyway, I think
> Melanie's next computer--and one of mine--will be a Mac. Course,
> naturally we'll keep Linux boxen too, but. Think it's important to
> support Apple's efforts, too.

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

what is the difference between the imac and emac?
and do both of these machines have line inputs?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


If my memory is worth anything, all of the Apple laptops and the
consumer desktops (like the iMac and the eMac) all have built in mics
(they're not that bad either).  Where it's missing is in the pro
desktop Power Mac G5 line, but there there's stereo and optical audio
in.
And why not just run ppc linux on the mac(s)?

cheers
jane

On 5/2/05, Buddy Brannan <buddy@brannan.name> wrote:
> Tricky is OK if it actually works. But that's excellent! Yay, Windows
> can take a long walk off a short pier (eer?)! Course, I guess one has
> to get the Griffin audio interface doohikis, since a lot of Macs don't
> appear to have a mic input for some reason? Odd. Anyway, I think
> Melanie's next computer--and one of mine--will be a Mac. Course,
> naturally we'll keep Linux boxen too, but. Think it's important to
> support Apple's efforts, too.

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compiling a kernel with debian.

[farhan]

Hey, I hope this gets to the list, i have put debian on my mainbox and 
have a problem, know sound, i'm using the debian iso from 
http://people.debian.org/shane, its a 2.4 kernel, and my sound modules or 
drivers or what ever they are are in the 2.6 kernel,  I have the 2.6 
kernel-source 
i just need 
to 
know how to compile it and get it going with speakup  or if someone has a 
patch for this that would help to.

Farhan

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Sean McMahon]

Could the mainMenu review of voiceover also include some basic kind of getting
started commands for the mac?  In the old days of outspoken, mac had few
commands and usually you had to use them in combination with the menu interface
which meant physically moving the mouse and pointer via the keyboard.  I'd like
to see what has changed besides the obvious unix style command-line.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> Tricky is OK if it actually works. But that's excellent! Yay, Windows
> can take a long walk off a short pier (eer?)! Course, I guess one has
> to get the Griffin audio interface doohikis, since a lot of Macs don't
> appear to have a mic input for some reason? Odd. Anyway, I think
> Melanie's next computer--and one of mine--will be a Mac. Course,
> naturally we'll keep Linux boxen too, but. Think it's important to
> support Apple's efforts, too.
> -- 
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV : Co-Mod. of http://www.assist.com/Pennsylvania
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Protect Your Family From Disease: glyconutrients help your body
> repair, defend, and correct itself. MIT says this discovery will
> change the world: http://www.theoptimalhealthsolution.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> High tech meets high touch: What happens when a 135+-year-old company,
> modern technology, and a dynamic team come together? See for yourself
> in this free Ebook: http://www.tastybiz.com
>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Jane Lee]

just as a heads-up, apple has a support site dedicated to voiceover,
and i'm sure there's FAQs and tutorials on keyboard and speech access.
http://www.apple.com/support/tiger/voiceover/

cheers
jane

On 5/3/05, Sean McMahon <smcmahon@usgs.gov> wrote:
> Could the mainMenu review of voiceover also include some basic kind of getting
> started commands for the mac?  In the old days of outspoken, mac had few
> commands and usually you had to use them in combination with the menu interface
> which meant physically moving the mouse and pointer via the keyboard.  I'd like
> to see what has changed besides the obvious unix style command-line.

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

what do you have to do to get it to work with skype?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> voice over works with skype, but it is tricky.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@brannan.name>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Hey Luke,
>
> I'm a bit curious; have you tried Voiceover with Skype? Does it work at 
> all,
> or is it a hopeless case?
> -- 
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV : Co-Mod. of http://www.assist.com/Pennsylvania
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Protect Your Family From Disease: glyconutrients help your body
> repair, defend, and correct itself. MIT says this discovery will
> change the world: http://www.theoptimalhealthsolution.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> High tech meets high touch: What happens when a 135+-year-old company,
> modern technology, and a dynamic team come together? See for yourself
> in this free Ebook: http://www.tastybiz.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[David Poehlman]

Install it and sign up/login and navigate the minefield of  
doohickies.  I'll be happy to work on more details later this week.

Jonnie Apple Seed

On May 2, 2005, at 9:15 PM, hank smith wrote:

what do you have to do to get it to work with skype?
----- Original Message ----- From: "david poehlman"  
<david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review



> voice over works with skype, but it is tricky.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan"  
> <buddy@brannan.name>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Hey Luke,
>
> I'm a bit curious; have you tried Voiceover with Skype? Does it  
> work at all,
> or is it a hopeless case?
> -- 
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV : Co-Mod. of http://www.assist.com/Pennsylvania
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Protect Your Family From Disease: glyconutrients help your body
> repair, defend, and correct itself. MIT says this discovery will
> change the world: http://www.theoptimalhealthsolution.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> High tech meets high touch: What happens when a 135+-year-old company,
> modern technology, and a dynamic team come together? See for yourself
> in this free Ebook: http://www.tastybiz.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 11:49:04AM EST, david poehlman wrote:
> Install it and sign up/login and navigate the minefield of  
> doohickies.  I'll be happy to work on more details later this week.

I have just installed Skype, and while I haven't participated in any 
calls yet, I had someone call me, and I called them, and I was able to 
navigate the Skype window with no great dramas. I don't understand why 
you think it is tricky.
- -- 
Luke

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[David Poehlman]

the window seemed to change when I tried it.  It was hard to keep  
track of where things are.

Jonnie Apple Seed

On May 2, 2005, at 10:13 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote:

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On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 11:49:04AM EST, david poehlman wrote:

> Install it and sign up/login and navigate the minefield of
> doohickies.  I'll be happy to work on more details later this week.
>

I have just installed Skype, and while I haven't participated in any
calls yet, I had someone call me, and I called them, and I was able to
navigate the Skype window with no great dramas. I don't understand why
you think it is tricky.
- --
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

Your questions have already been answered in a long thread on this list
over the weekend.  You might want to read the archives, or finish
reading your mail.

          Kenny

On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 12:13:06PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> If voiceover is built-in, does this mean you can configure/install a whole
> operating system from scratch without sited assistance?  I don't know how more
> built-in you could get then speakup which is patched into the kernel.  If you
> mean comes with linux, well what comes with linux depends on you really.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for
> Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
> 
> 
> > I have a hard time conceivingg of a kernel based access as "stand
> > alone."
> >
> > Still, but really tickles me is that you mention Speakup in the same
> > breath with JAWS, and you even mention it first.
> >
> > Seems we've arrived.
> >
> > Jane Lee writes:
> > > I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
> > > X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws.
> > > After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
> > > because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
> > > should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
> > > VoiceOver started.
> > >
> > > You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
> > > Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
> > > that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.
> > >
> > > On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
> > > called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
> > > 29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
> > > Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
> > > on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
> > > whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
> > > comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
> > > does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
> > > was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
> > > mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
> > > Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.
> > >
> > > Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
> > > it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
> > > retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
> > > and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
> > > university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
> > > "family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
> > > 200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.
> > >
> > > Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
> > > but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
> > > enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
> > > to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
> > > activation (like Windows) either.
> > >
> > > If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
> > > retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
> > > the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
> > > VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
> > > problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
> > > out with most of the smaller issues.
> > >
> > > If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
> > > their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > jane
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
> >
> > If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
> >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

Thanks for your message, but I feel I have to correct you on one point.
Speakup isn't a stand alone application.  It is build into the Linux
kernel.  Because of this, it will only work on a Linux system and is
useless on anything else.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:31:38PM -0700, Jane Lee wrote:
> I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
> X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. 
> After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
> because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
> should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
> VoiceOver started.
> 
> You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
> Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
> that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.
> 
> On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
> called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
> 29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
> Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
> on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
> whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
> comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
> does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
> was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
> mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
> Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.
> 
> Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
> it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
> retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
> and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
> university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
> "family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
> 200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.
> 
> Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
> but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
> enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
> to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
> activation (like Windows) either.
> 
> If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
> retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
> the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
> VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
> problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
> out with most of the smaller issues.
> 
> If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
> their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.
> 
> cheers
> jane
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Jane Lee]

On 4/30/05, Kenny Hitt <kenny@hittsjunk.net> wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Thanks for your message, but I feel I have to correct you on one point.
> Speakup isn't a stand alone application.  It is build into the Linux
> kernel.  Because of this, it will only work on a Linux system and is
> useless on anything else.
> 
> Hope this helps.
>           Kenny

yes, i got the point, and i now realize that perhaps i should have
been more clear, except I don't know how to explain it better.  argh.

dont shoot me for haphazardly writing emails

http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
lists all the computers that qualify for the up to date program, as
well as the terms.  seems that as long as it was purchased on or after
april 12 at an apple or apple authorized store, you'll get the DVD as
long as you still have proof of purchase and the whole package needs
to be postmarked or faxed by July 9.

And the only drawback to using older Macs is that it needs to have a
DVD drive.  A CD version of Tiger can be purchased for an additional
$10 from Apple, but it's a wise investment to get a DVD or DVD and
CD-RW drive for it.

cheers
j

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

true if supported.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>
To: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system 
for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


On 4/30/05, Kenny Hitt <kenny@hittsjunk.net> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Thanks for your message, but I feel I have to correct you on one point.
> Speakup isn't a stand alone application.  It is build into the Linux
> kernel.  Because of this, it will only work on a Linux system and is
> useless on anything else.
>
> Hope this helps.
>           Kenny

yes, i got the point, and i now realize that perhaps i should have
been more clear, except I don't know how to explain it better.  argh.

dont shoot me for haphazardly writing emails

http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
lists all the computers that qualify for the up to date program, as
well as the terms.  seems that as long as it was purchased on or after
april 12 at an apple or apple authorized store, you'll get the DVD as
long as you still have proof of purchase and the whole package needs
to be postmarked or faxed by July 9.

And the only drawback to using older Macs is that it needs to have a
DVD drive.  A CD version of Tiger can be purchased for an additional
$10 from Apple, but it's a wise investment to get a DVD or DVD and
CD-RW drive for it.

cheers
j

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[EPYD Productions]

um..... when did fs ever get involved with the mac os?
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. 
After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
VoiceOver started.

You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.

On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.

Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
"family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.

Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
activation (like Windows) either.

If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
out with most of the smaller issues.

If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.

cheers
jane

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

You did not understand her statement.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
To: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system 
for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


um..... when did fs ever get involved with the mac os?
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS
X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws.
After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform
because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they
should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how
VoiceOver started.

You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like
Windows or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means
that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.

On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the
Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning
on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about
whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver
comes with, and not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini
does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer
was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't
mind keeping their old setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the
Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars.

Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for,
it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party
retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers
and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a
university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A
"family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is
200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk.

Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac,
but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver
enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy
to use.  There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no
activation (like Windows) either.

If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all
the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help
out with most of the smaller issues.

If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple,
their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.

cheers
jane

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RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[jim grimsby]

Hi, at one time fs did invest in a sdk for mac.  They decided not to
create a screen reader for it.  
Alva gave up on it as well.  And they did have a screen reader.
Synthavoice ask apple for a sdk and were told if they payed for it they
could have one.   Ibm did the same thing this is why they went with a
windows screen reader.  
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of EPYD Productions
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:50 PM
To: Jane Lee; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


um..... when did fs ever get involved with the mac os?
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS X
operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. 
After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform because
of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they should do
all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how VoiceOver
started.

You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like Windows
or Linux.  It relies on the Mac OS too much.  This also means that
VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod.

On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is
called the Mac mini.  Since the new operating system came out on the
29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the Mac
mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver.  If you're planning on
going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about whether or
not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver comes with, and
not Panther just in case.  Be warned, the Mac mini does not come with a
keyboard, a mouse or a monitor.  This computer was meant for PC and Mac
users already with older computers that don't mind keeping their old
setups.  Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the Powerbook, start at
around 1000 dollars.

Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for, it
comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars.  Some third party retailers
will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers and college
students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a university bookstore
at the education price, which is 69 dollars.  A "family pack" that gives
you a license for use up to 5 computers is 200 dollars but has
restrictions and only comes with one install disk.

Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac, but
I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver enabled
login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy to use.
There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no activation
(like Windows) either.

If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple
retail store and ask one of the people there.  The genius bar at all the
stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on
VoiceOver for the first time).  If you have technical questions on
problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :)  I can help out
with most of the smaller issues.

If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple, their
computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email.

cheers
jane

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[EPYD Productions]

why would you want it too? pc users just don't get it. you don't need all
these accessories on a mac. they're just not needed. why cause the mac
computer and sofware are not reliable on "aaccessories" they're all supurb
on they're own.
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| Will VoiceOver work with a USB speech synthesizer?
| Glenn
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
| To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:28 AM
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| Sina and all,
|
| To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
| because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
| "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find
relatively
| high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
| comparable to pc software speech.
|
| I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
|
| --
| Johnnie Apple Seed
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
| To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
| <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
| Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
|
| Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
| links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
| field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
| navigation.
|
| Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
| extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all,
do
| not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default
speeds.
|
| Take care,
| Sina
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
| On Behalf Of Alex Snow
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
| To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
| I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
| maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
| On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
| 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
| > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
| > Hash: SHA1
| >
| > On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
| > > Hi,
| > > What's VoiceOver?
| >
| > VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
| > release.
| >
| > Go to the following link to find out more.
| > http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
| > - --
| > Luke
| >
| > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
| > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
| > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
| >
| > iD8DBQFCcx/njVefwtBjIM4RAhy7AKCIMjD6XN5f2dJLMcpZhShxvfc2QwCgoni4
| > AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
| > =6QiB
| > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
| >
| > _______________________________________________
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| > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|
| --
| The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to
be
| fun...
| -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on
| Linux
|
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

I think Mac users are ignorant of many important things about computer use.
I have seen people who claim that they would only use a Mac, and they didn't 
even know how to use one.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


why would you want it too? pc users just don't get it. you don't need all
these accessories on a mac. they're just not needed. why cause the mac
computer and sofware are not reliable on "aaccessories" they're all supurb
on they're own.
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| Will VoiceOver work with a USB speech synthesizer?
| Glenn
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
| To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:28 AM
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| Sina and all,
|
| To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
| because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
| "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find
relatively
| high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
| comparable to pc software speech.
|
| I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
|
| --
| Johnnie Apple Seed
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
| To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
| <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
| Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
|
| Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
| links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
| field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
| navigation.
|
| Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
| extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all,
do
| not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default
speeds.
|
| Take care,
| Sina
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
| On Behalf Of Alex Snow
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
| To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
| I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
| maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
| On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
| 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
| > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
| > Hash: SHA1
| >
| > On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
| > > Hi,
| > > What's VoiceOver?
| >
| > VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
| > release.
| >
| > Go to the following link to find out more.
| > http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
| > - --
| > Luke
| >
| > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
| > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
| > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
| >
| > iD8DBQFCcx/njVefwtBjIM4RAhy7AKCIMjD6XN5f2dJLMcpZhShxvfc2QwCgoni4
| > AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
| > =6QiB
| > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
| >
| > _______________________________________________
| > Speakup mailing list
| > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|
| --
| The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to
be
| fun...
| -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on
| Linux
|
| _______________________________________________
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|
|
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Buddy Brannan]

On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 06:01:37PM -0500, Glenn at home wrote:
> I think Mac users are ignorant of many important things about computer use.
> I have seen people who claim that they would only use a Mac, and they didn't 
> even know how to use one.

Well, Mac users certainly don't have a monopoly on computer
illiteracy. I probably know, or have seen, at least a barrelfull of
similarly-nequipped PC users...and I should know...I used to work in
tech support. 

But here's the thing. Do drivers of automobiles have to know how their
cars work? No...that's why God invented mechanics. And, for the most
part, the computer has become an appliance that you don't have to know
a whole lot about in order to use effectively. If Apple has actually
made one that you really don't have to understand in order to use,
that's fantastic...because that's what most people want. Not you and
me, maybe, but a lot of people. PC's are getting to that point, but
there are still a lot of things that we have to futz with, and if that
isn't so true on the mac, what's the harm? 

And to be fair, there are plenty of very computer-savvy folks who
know--use--and love the Macintosh. Because even with its simplicity
(so they tell me), there's an awful lot of power off in there,
too. Remember that OSX at its core is a Unix. And then there's the
PowerPC architecture itself. It's not for nothing that MHz for MHz the
PowerPC is more powerful at the slower speeds than their Wintel
equivalents. 
-- 
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

Don't bother replying to him.  He doesn't get much of anything people
tell him.  I usually just delete his messages without reading.

          Kenny

On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 03:07:24PM -0700, EPYD Productions wrote:
> why would you want it too? pc users just don't get it. you don't need all
> these accessories on a mac. they're just not needed. why cause the mac
> computer and sofware are not reliable on "aaccessories" they're all supurb
> on they're own.
> Blind Tech
> website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
> contact info can be found on website
> email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> EPYD the only place to be!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
> 
> 
> | Will VoiceOver work with a USB speech synthesizer?
> | Glenn
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
> | To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> | Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:28 AM
> | Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
> |
> |
> | Sina and all,
> |
> | To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
> | because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
> | "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find
> relatively
> | high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
> | comparable to pc software speech.
> |
> | I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
> |
> | --
> | Johnnie Apple Seed
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> | To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> | <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> | Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
> | Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
> |
> |
> | Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
> |
> | Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
> | links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
> | field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
> | navigation.
> |
> | Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
> | extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all,
> do
> | not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default
> speeds.
> |
> | Take care,
> | Sina
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> | On Behalf Of Alex Snow
> | Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
> | To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> | Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
> |
> | I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
> | maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> | On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> | 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> | > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> | > Hash: SHA1
> | >
> | > On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> | > > Hi,
> | > > What's VoiceOver?
> | >
> | > VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
> | > release.
> | >
> | > Go to the following link to find out more.
> | > http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> | > - --
> | > Luke
> | >
> | > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
> | > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> | > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
> | >
> | > iD8DBQFCcx/njVefwtBjIM4RAhy7AKCIMjD6XN5f2dJLMcpZhShxvfc2QwCgoni4
> | > AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
> | > =6QiB
> | > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> | >
> | > _______________________________________________
> | > Speakup mailing list
> | > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> | > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> |
> | --
> | The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to
> be
> | fun...
> | -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on
> | Linux
> |
> | _______________________________________________
> | Speakup mailing list
> | Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> | http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> |
> |
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RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Sina Bahram]

Do you mean power of the interface, or lack there of.

I'm sorry, as this is a private forum, I can't really say much more from my
beta testing with them.

Take care,
Sina 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of david poehlman
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

Sina and all,

To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
"quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively
high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
comparable to pc software speech.

I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.

--
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
>
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4 
> release.
>
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Steve Dawes]

Will VoiceOver work on IPod, and / or the Apple pda, if an Apple pda exists?


Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:56 AM
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Do you mean power of the interface, or lack there of.

I'm sorry, as this is a private forum, I can't really say much more from my
beta testing with them.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of david poehlman
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

Sina and all,

To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
"quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively
high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
comparable to pc software speech.

I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.

--
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
>
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
> release.
>
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

VoiceOver is not a stand alone app.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Will VoiceOver work on IPod, and / or the Apple pda, if an Apple pda exists?


Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:56 AM
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Do you mean power of the interface, or lack there of.

I'm sorry, as this is a private forum, I can't really say much more from my
beta testing with them.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of david poehlman
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

Sina and all,

To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
"quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find relatively
high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
comparable to pc software speech.

I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.

--
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.

Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
navigation.

Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, do
not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default speeds.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > What's VoiceOver?
>
> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
> release.
>
> Go to the following link to find out more.
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
> - --
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[EPYD Productions]

thats like asking will jaws work on nomad jukebox or a sharp pda
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| Will VoiceOver work on IPod, and / or the Apple pda, if an Apple pda
exists?
|
|
| Steve
|
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
| [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:56 AM
| To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
| Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| Do you mean power of the interface, or lack there of.
|
| I'm sorry, as this is a private forum, I can't really say much more from
my
| beta testing with them.
|
| Take care,
| Sina
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
| On Behalf Of david poehlman
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM
| To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
| Sina and all,
|
| To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
| because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
| "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find
relatively
| high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
| comparable to pc software speech.
|
| I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
|
| --
| Johnnie Apple Seed
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
| To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
| <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
| Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
|
| Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
| links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
| field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
| navigation.
|
| Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
| extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all,
do
| not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default
speeds.
|
| Take care,
| Sina
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
| On Behalf Of Alex Snow
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
| To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
| I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
| maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
| On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
| 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
| > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
| > Hash: SHA1
| >
| > On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
| > > Hi,
| > > What's VoiceOver?
| >
| > VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
| > release.
| >
| > Go to the following link to find out more.
| > http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
| > - --
| > Luke
| >
| > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
| > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| > AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
| > =6QiB
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| > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|
| --
| The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to
be
| fun...
| -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
|
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

I can confirm from going on experience from yesterday what Apple have 
expressed on their web site about VoiceOver.  Mac osx tiger together with 
VoiceOver and other accessibility capabilities is powerfull.  I'm sure there 
are those who will not see this at least at first, but some like apples and 
some like oranges.

I think it is healthy though to have a fully disclosive discussion of tiger 
with voiceOver going forward from yesterday.

--- 
Jonnie Apple Seed 

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

what is the command to start voice over on a machine that isn't running it 
buy default?
I am going to go to a mac dealer here in town and see if they will let me 
play around with it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> Do you mean power of the interface, or lack there of.
>
> I'm sorry, as this is a private forum, I can't really say much more from 
> my
> beta testing with them.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of david poehlman
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> Sina and all,
>
> To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
> because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
> "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find 
> relatively
> high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
> comparable to pc software speech.
>
> I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
>
> --
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
>
> Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
> links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
> field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
> navigation.
>
> Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
> extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, 
> do
> not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default 
> speeds.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Alex Snow
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
> maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
>> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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>>
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>> AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
>> =6QiB
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to 
> be
> fun...
> -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[PETE gurney]

it's command+f5




what is the command to start voice over on a machine that isn't running it 
buy default?
I am going to go to a mac dealer here in town and see if they will let me 
play around with it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> Do you mean power of the interface, or lack there of.
>
> I'm sorry, as this is a private forum, I can't really say much more from 
> my
> beta testing with them.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of david poehlman
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> Sina and all,
>
> To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
> because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
> "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find 
> relatively
> high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
> comparable to pc software speech.
>
> I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
>
> --
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
>
> Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
> links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
> field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
> navigation.
>
> Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
> extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, 
> do
> not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default 
> speeds.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Alex Snow
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui,
and
> maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
>> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
>>
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>> AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
>> =6QiB
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

command+f5 should still envoke it.  If not, have the dealer click system 
prefs and universal access and set voice over to on.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
To: "hank smith" <hanksmith4@earthlink.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


it's command+f5




what is the command to start voice over on a machine that isn't running it
buy default?
I am going to go to a mac dealer here in town and see if they will let me
play around with it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> Do you mean power of the interface, or lack there of.
>
> I'm sorry, as this is a private forum, I can't really say much more from
> my
> beta testing with them.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of david poehlman
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> Sina and all,
>
> To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
> because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
> "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find
> relatively
> high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
> comparable to pc software speech.
>
> I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
>
> --
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
>
> Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
> links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
> field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
> navigation.
>
> Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
> extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all,
> do
> not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default
> speeds.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Alex Snow
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui,
and
> maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
>> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iD8DBQFCcx/njVefwtBjIM4RAhy7AKCIMjD6XN5f2dJLMcpZhShxvfc2QwCgoni4
>> AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
>> =6QiB
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
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>
> --
> The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to
> be
> fun...
> -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

if you go to an apple store, they can help you with it as well as allowing 
you to work with it.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank smith" <hanksmith4@earthlink.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


what is the command to start voice over on a machine that isn't running it
buy default?
I am going to go to a mac dealer here in town and see if they will let me
play around with it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> Do you mean power of the interface, or lack there of.
>
> I'm sorry, as this is a private forum, I can't really say much more from
> my
> beta testing with them.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of david poehlman
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> Sina and all,
>
> To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
> because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
> "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find
> relatively
> high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
> comparable to pc software speech.
>
> I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
>
> --
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
>
> Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
> links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
> field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
> navigation.
>
> Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
> extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all,
> do
> not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default
> speeds.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Alex Snow
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
> maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
>> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iD8DBQFCcx/njVefwtBjIM4RAhy7AKCIMjD6XN5f2dJLMcpZhShxvfc2QwCgoni4
>> AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
>> =6QiB
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to
> be
> fun...
> -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

also is garage band speech friendly to?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> Sina and all,
>
> To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
> because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
> "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find 
> relatively
> high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
> comparable to pc software speech.
>
> I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
>
> Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
> links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
> field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
> navigation.
>
> Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
> extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all, 
> do
> not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default 
> speeds.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Alex Snow
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
> maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
>> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iD8DBQFCcx/njVefwtBjIM4RAhy7AKCIMjD6XN5f2dJLMcpZhShxvfc2QwCgoni4
>> AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
>> =6QiB
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to 
> be
> fun...
> -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on
> Linux
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:34:13AM EST, hank smith wrote:
> also is garage band speech friendly to?

I think since Apple write this application, it would be. However I don't 
have a copy and don/t intend to get a copy.

Just because there is free software available for OS X, doesn't mean 
that other commonly known apps such as Pages, Keynote, Office etc come 
free with the OS, or are free to download.
- -- 
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

I under stand I just had a friend tell me about it and he said it was really 
good for making music using loops ans remixing music etc and I wasn't sure 
if it came with the os or if it was shareware or if it was freeware or what.
thanks for letting me know.
take care
hank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:34:13AM EST, hank smith wrote:
>> also is garage band speech friendly to?
>
> I think since Apple write this application, it would be. However I don't
> have a copy and don/t intend to get a copy.
>
> Just because there is free software available for OS X, doesn't mean
> that other commonly known apps such as Pages, Keynote, Office etc come
> free with the OS, or are free to download.
> - -- 
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
>
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> Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

some of it is.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank smith" <hanksmith4@earthlink.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


also is garage band speech friendly to?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> Sina and all,
>
> To save some time and effort, at this point in time, and possibly never
> because of the power of the interface, we don't have an implementation of
> "quick nav keys"  Speech rate can be highly subjective but I find
> relatively
> high speed with VoiceOver to be comfortable and for my use favorably
> comparable to pc software speech.
>
> I'd like to see spotlight demonstrated.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Yes, I would love to see it explore the internet.
>
> Could you please illustrate first letter navigation such as by heading,
> links, form elements, and so forth? It would be relaly nice to navigate a
> field of radio buttons or something along those lines, as well as table
> navigation.
>
> Also ... I think that it would be a great benefit to hear the voice at an
> extremely high speed for a little while, because most of us, if not all,
> do
> not listen to our respective assistive  technologies at the default
> speeds.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Alex Snow
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
> I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, and
> maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > What's VoiceOver?
>>
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
>> release.
>>
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - --
>> Luke
>>
>> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iD8DBQFCcx/njVefwtBjIM4RAhy7AKCIMjD6XN5f2dJLMcpZhShxvfc2QwCgoni4
>> AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
>> =6QiB
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to
> be
> fun...
> -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on
> Linux
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

can you also review the itumes music player to?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


>I think it would be interesting to see it used to explore the osx gui, 
> and maybe do a little web browsing if possible.
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 
> 04:04:23PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > What's VoiceOver?
>> 
>> VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4 
>> release.
>> 
>> Go to the following link to find out more.
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
>> - -- 
>> Luke
>> 
>> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
>> 
>> iD8DBQFCcx/njVefwtBjIM4RAhy7AKCIMjD6XN5f2dJLMcpZhShxvfc2QwCgoni4
>> AZuDTX1AxU0pjPnlhzAnZhQ=
>> =6QiB
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to 
> be fun...
> -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
> 
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:30:10AM EST, hank smith wrote:
> can you also review the itumes music player to?

I will indeed be reviewing ITunes, however at this stage won't be able 
to review using the store, as it is unavailable here in Australia at the 
moment.
- -- 
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

but is that portion at least accessible? cause in winblows it aint
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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:38 AM
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>> can you also review the itumes music player to?
> 
> I will indeed be reviewing ITunes, however at this stage won't be able 
> to review using the store, as it is unavailable here in Australia at the 
> moment.
> - -- 
> Luke
> 
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:42:00AM EST, hank smith wrote:
> but is that portion at least accessible? cause in winblows it aint

Since I have never used it I can only guess that it is a website, and 
websites can be navigated.
- -- 
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

what portion?

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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


but is that portion at least accessible? cause in winblows it aint
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To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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> On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:30:10AM EST, hank smith wrote:
>> can you also review the itumes music player to?
> 
> I will indeed be reviewing ITunes, however at this stage won't be able 
> to review using the store, as it is unavailable here in Australia at the 
> moment.
> - -- 
> Luke
> 
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Steve Dawes]

So, is this the answer to accessible X?

Although it is built into the apple os, how long will it be before it finds
it's way into the open source community.


Steve

Steve Dawes
Calgary Canada.


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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:04 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> What's VoiceOver?

VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
release.

Go to the following link to find out more.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
- --
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

Steven and all,

Not sure what you are after here, but VoiceOver will only run in the mac but 
the apis are freely available to mac developpers to do with as they choose.

As far as this being the answer to accessible aps, it is if developpers 
implement the accessibility apis.

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From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


So, is this the answer to accessible X?

Although it is built into the apple os, how long will it be before it finds
it's way into the open source community.


Steve

Steve Dawes
Calgary Canada.


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:04 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:48:50PM EST, Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> What's VoiceOver?

VoiceOver is the screen reader that comes with the New Mac OS X 10.4
release.

Go to the following link to find out more.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
- --
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

Only the hottest new access tool around.

-- 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy@bellsouth.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Hi,
What's VoiceOver?
Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
<blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a
screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:59 AM
Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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>
> Hi all
> Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
> program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
> review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
>
> What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
> demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
> over several parts.
>
> To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
> with your ideas and suggestions.
>
> Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
> be interested.
>
> Thanks
> - --
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Alex Snow]

now if I could just afford a mac...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:48:02AM 
-0400, david poehlman wrote:
> Only the hottest new access tool around.
> 
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
> 
> 
> Hi,
> What's VoiceOver?
> Thanks.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
> To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
> <blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a
> screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:59 AM
> Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
> 
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Hi all
> > Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
> > program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
> > review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
> >
> > What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
> > demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
> > over several parts.
> >
> > To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
> > with your ideas and suggestions.
> >
> > Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
> > be interested.
> >
> > Thanks
> > - --
> > Luke
> >
> > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
> >
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> > SdD9zU1YvQ3wqQdjoe+M4Cw=
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

how about under 500 dollars?

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From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


now if I could just afford a mac...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:48:02AM
-0400, david poehlman wrote:
> Only the hottest new access tool around.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Hi,
> What's VoiceOver?
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
> To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
> <blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a
> screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:59 AM
> Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Hi all
> > Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
> > program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
> > review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
> >
> > What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
> > demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
> > over several parts.
> >
> > To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
> > with your ideas and suggestions.
> >
> > Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
> > be interested.
> >
> > Thanks
> > - --
> > Luke
> >
> > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

I was wondering if the Mac OS would run on a PC.
I was looking at the site and I found that it costs 130 dollars for a single 
user and 200 dollars for 5 users.  Not bad if it would run on PCs.
Glenn

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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


now if I could just afford a mac...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:48:02AM
-0400, david poehlman wrote:
> Only the hottest new access tool around.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Hi,
> What's VoiceOver?
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
> To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
> <blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a
> screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:59 AM
> Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Hi all
> > Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
> > program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
> > review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
> >
> > What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
> > demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
> > over several parts.
> >
> > To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
> > with your ideas and suggestions.
> >
> > Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
> > be interested.
> >
> > Thanks
> > - --
> > Luke
> >
> > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

With virtual mac, it might but I'm not sure how The mac simulator on a pc 
would handle the speech unless you have an osx compatible sound card.

-- 
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From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


I was wondering if the Mac OS would run on a PC.
I was looking at the site and I found that it costs 130 dollars for a single
user and 200 dollars for 5 users.  Not bad if it would run on PCs.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


now if I could just afford a mac...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:48:02AM
-0400, david poehlman wrote:
> Only the hottest new access tool around.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> Hi,
> What's VoiceOver?
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
> To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
> <blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a
> screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:59 AM
> Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Hi all
> > Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
> > program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
> > review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
> >
> > What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
> > demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
> > over several parts.
> >
> > To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
> > with your ideas and suggestions.
> >
> > Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
> > be interested.
> >
> > Thanks
> > - --
> > Luke
> >
> > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
> >
> > iD8DBQFCcxDOjVefwtBjIM4RAikfAKDOvS5ovMGM5C0RHL9+OIbdvpfW5QCfXAjZ
> > SdD9zU1YvQ3wqQdjoe+M4Cw=
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

is the sound blaster audigy compatible?
man  I can't wait to hear it I am just getting excited hearing about this 
thing!!! :)
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From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> With virtual mac, it might but I'm not sure how The mac simulator on a pc
> would handle the speech unless you have an osx compatible sound card.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> I was wondering if the Mac OS would run on a PC.
> I was looking at the site and I found that it costs 130 dollars for a 
> single
> user and 200 dollars for 5 users.  Not bad if it would run on PCs.
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> now if I could just afford a mac...
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:48:02AM
> -0400, david poehlman wrote:
>> Only the hottest new access tool around.
>>
>> -- 
>> Johnnie Apple Seed
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy@bellsouth.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> What's VoiceOver?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
>> To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
>> <blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a
>> screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:59 AM
>> Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>>
>>
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>> > Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> > Hi all
>> > Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
>> > program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main 
>> > Menu
>> > review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
>> >
>> > What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
>> > demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
>> > over several parts.
>> >
>> > To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off 
>> > list
>> > with your ideas and suggestions.
>> >
>> > Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
>> > be interested.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > - --
>> > Luke
>> >
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:33:02AM EST, hank smith wrote:
> is the sound blaster audigy compatible?

Macs have come with on-board sound for many more years than PCs have. I 
know Creative did have a Sound Blaster Live for mac, but I don't know 
about the audigy. Don't forget as well that the only macs you could 
possibly use them with are the powermacs, which are not cheap.
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[EPYD Productions]

and one thing most people got to realize is the architecture is totally
different and the way the os is built to run with it, there is no such thing
is crappy onboard sound.
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
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To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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|
| On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:33:02AM EST, hank smith wrote:
| > is the sound blaster audigy compatible?
|
| Macs have come with on-board sound for many more years than PCs have. I
| know Creative did have a Sound Blaster Live for mac, but I don't know
| about the audigy. Don't forget as well that the only macs you could
| possibly use them with are the powermacs, which are not cheap.
| - --
| Luke
|
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[EPYD Productions]

you just don't get it do you?
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| I was wondering if the Mac OS would run on a PC.
| I was looking at the site and I found that it costs 130 dollars for a
single
| user and 200 dollars for 5 users.  Not bad if it would run on PCs.
| Glenn
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
| To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:46 AM
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| now if I could just afford a mac...
| On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:48:02AM
| -0400, david poehlman wrote:
| > Only the hottest new access tool around.
| >
| > --
| > Johnnie Apple Seed
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy@bellsouth.net>
| > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
| > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:48 AM
| > Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
| >
| >
| > Hi,
| > What's VoiceOver?
| > Thanks.
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
| > To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
| > <blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is
a
| > screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:59 AM
| > Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
| >
| >
| > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
| > > Hash: SHA1
| > >
| > > Hi all
| > > Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
| > > program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main
Menu
| > > review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
| > >
| > > What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
| > > demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
| > > over several parts.
| > >
| > > To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off
list
| > > with your ideas and suggestions.
| > >
| > > Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
| > > be interested.
| > >
| > > Thanks
| > > - --
| > > Luke
| > >
| > > Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Glenn at home]

Hello Luke,
I could review the RockBox firmware on an Archos JBR 20 MP3 player/recorder.
It is a 20 gig MP3 player/recorder that fits in the shirt pocket, and using 
the open-source firmware "RockBox" http://www.rockbox.org/ we can have 
almost total accessibility through talking menus and talking folder & file 
names.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion" 
<blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a 
screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:59 PM
Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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Hi all
Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.

What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
over several parts.

To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
with your ideas and suggestions.

Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
be interested.

Thanks
- -- 
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Sina Bahram]

I'd be really interested in that actually
 
Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Glenn at home
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:50 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

Hello Luke,
I could review the RockBox firmware on an Archos JBR 20 MP3 player/recorder.
It is a 20 gig MP3 player/recorder that fits in the shirt pocket, and using
the open-source firmware "RockBox" http://www.rockbox.org/ we can have
almost total accessibility through talking menus and talking folder & file
names.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion" 
<blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a
screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:59 PM
Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi all
Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology program
that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu review of
VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.

What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it over
several parts.

To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
with your ideas and suggestions.

Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may be
interested.

Thanks
- --
Luke

Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

If possible, I would like to hear a comparison of web access using
VoiceOver vs Gnome and Mozilla.  The one area where Linux still has
issues is web access.

***WARNING***  I am not interested in replies debating this.  For me, the
fact people who are full time Linux users still keep a Windows box
around for accessing sites, or I have to ask my sighted girl friend to
help me by visiting some sites in her Mozilla is enough prooff.

Thanks in advance.
          Kenny
	  
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 02:59:59PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> Hi all
> Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology 
> program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu 
> review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
> 
> What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear 
> demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it 
> over several parts.
> 
> To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list 
> with your ideas and suggestions.
> 
> Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may 
> be interested.
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> Luke
> 
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
> 
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:31:33PM EST, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> If possible, I would like to hear a comparison of web access using
> VoiceOver vs Gnome and Mozilla.  The one area where Linux still has
> issues is web access.

Certainly. While Mozilla has the carrot browsing mode, it is not that 
good. Whereas just about everything is accessible on the page with 
VoiceOver and Safari, but in a different manner.

> ***WARNING***  I am not interested in replies debating this.  For me, the
> fact people who are full time Linux users still keep a Windows box
> around for accessing sites, or I have to ask my sighted girl friend to
> help me by visiting some sites in her Mozilla is enough prooff.

I am the same, but now I think I will be using VoiceOver with Safari for 
browsing full-time.
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

3Luke,

That's great to hear.  Try some mp3 streams. What is your connection?  Is it 
cable?

-- 
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To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


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On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:31:33PM EST, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi.
>
> If possible, I would like to hear a comparison of web access using
> VoiceOver vs Gnome and Mozilla.  The one area where Linux still has
> issues is web access.

Certainly. While Mozilla has the carrot browsing mode, it is not that
good. Whereas just about everything is accessible on the page with
VoiceOver and Safari, but in a different manner.

> ***WARNING***  I am not interested in replies debating this.  For me, the
> fact people who are full time Linux users still keep a Windows box
> around for accessing sites, or I have to ask my sighted girl friend to
> help me by visiting some sites in her Mozilla is enough prooff.

I am the same, but now I think I will be using VoiceOver with Safari for
browsing full-time.
- -- 
Luke

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:37:06PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:31:33PM EST, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Certainly. While Mozilla has the carrot browsing mode, it is not that 
> good. Whereas just about everything is accessible on the page with 
> VoiceOver and Safari, but in a different manner.
> 
> I am the same, but now I think I will be using VoiceOver with Safari for 
> browsing full-time.

Since it will cost less for me to buy a Mac than it would to update my
Windows screen readers, looks like I might be buying a Mac.

          Kenny
	  

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

If money is your only object, this is a prudent option, but if you still 
need to work in windows, you might want to try updating your screen readers. 
If you are really wedded to them and cannot stand the prospect of learning 
something new, then you might want to spend the extra money to upgrade your 
windows screen readers.

If you want to switch though, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the overall 
interface because it is not that different from that of windows.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Hi.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:37:06PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:31:33PM EST, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Certainly. While Mozilla has the carrot browsing mode, it is not that
> good. Whereas just about everything is accessible on the page with
> VoiceOver and Safari, but in a different manner.
>
> I am the same, but now I think I will be using VoiceOver with Safari for
> browsing full-time.

Since it will cost less for me to buy a Mac than it would to update my
Windows screen readers, looks like I might be buying a Mac.

          Kenny


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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 10:33:33AM -0400, david poehlman wrote:
> If money is your only object, this is a prudent option, but if you still 
> need to work in windows, you might want to try updating your screen readers. 
> If you are really wedded to them and cannot stand the prospect of learning 
> something new, then you might want to spend the extra money to upgrade your 
> windows screen readers.
> 

I blew away my last Windows partition several years back.  I will only use
Windows again if forced at gun point.  I consider needing a job that
would force me to use Windows again "gun point".
	  
> If you want to switch though, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the overall 
> interface because it is not that different from that of windows.

Sounds good.  I use Gnome, which is not much different from the Windows
interface either.

          Kenny
	  

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

from what I've heard of gnome, although it's gnopernicus access is getting 
better, it's not quite up to par with what I know of VoiceOver.

maybe we should put the command sets up for comparison.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Hi.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 10:33:33AM -0400, david poehlman wrote:
> If money is your only object, this is a prudent option, but if you still
> need to work in windows, you might want to try updating your screen 
> readers.
> If you are really wedded to them and cannot stand the prospect of learning
> something new, then you might want to spend the extra money to upgrade 
> your
> windows screen readers.
>

I blew away my last Windows partition several years back.  I will only use
Windows again if forced at gun point.  I consider needing a job that
would force me to use Windows again "gun point".

> If you want to switch though, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the 
> overall
> interface because it is not that different from that of windows.

Sounds good.  I use Gnome, which is not much different from the Windows
interface either.

          Kenny


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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[PETE gurney]

hello,

does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but they
are all silent when i download them.
thanks.

pete.

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

33Hi,

There is a quick time presentation of voice over on the Voice over pages 
where you found the sounds.  The tiny files you downloaded are Itunes files. 
I'll send you a speech sample, What would you like it to say?

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


hello,

does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but they
are all silent when i download them.
thanks.

pete.




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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[EPYD Productions]

the speech is way better than any synth out there. i've used macs since 92
and although the first couple of vertions of the old screen reader of mac
had a robotic voice. the plaintalk voices (witch are the voice for voice
over) are the best quality voices out there. and get this, i've ben talking
litterally to my mac since 96 asking it the time, asking it to do this or
that and with supurb voice quality feedback on top of that. /off topic post
off
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| hello,
|
| does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
| i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but they
| are all silent when i download them.
| thanks.
|
| pete.
|
|
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Speakup mailing list
| Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

yes, I too talk to my mac and tiger allows you to define speakable keyboard 
commands inside of applications.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
To: <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>; "Speakup is a screen review system for 
Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


the speech is way better than any synth out there. i've used macs since 92
and although the first couple of vertions of the old screen reader of mac
had a robotic voice. the plaintalk voices (witch are the voice for voice
over) are the best quality voices out there. and get this, i've ben talking
litterally to my mac since 96 asking it the time, asking it to do this or
that and with supurb voice quality feedback on top of that. /off topic post
off
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| hello,
|
| does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
| i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but they
| are all silent when i download them.
| thanks.
|
| pete.
|
|
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Speakup mailing list
| Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|

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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

to bad you can't dictate emails or is this possible?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> yes, I too talk to my mac and tiger allows you to define speakable 
> keyboard
> commands inside of applications.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
> To: <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>; "Speakup is a screen review system for
> Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> the speech is way better than any synth out there. i've used macs since 92
> and although the first couple of vertions of the old screen reader of mac
> had a robotic voice. the plaintalk voices (witch are the voice for voice
> over) are the best quality voices out there. and get this, i've ben 
> talking
> litterally to my mac since 96 asking it the time, asking it to do this or
> that and with supurb voice quality feedback on top of that. /off topic 
> post
> off
> Blind Tech
> website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
> contact info can be found on website
> email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> EPYD the only place to be!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> | hello,
> |
> | does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
> | i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but 
> they
> | are all silent when i download them.
> | thanks.
> |
> | pete.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | _______________________________________________
> | Speakup mailing list
> | Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> | http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> |
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

not directly, but there are apps you can use.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank smith" <hanksmith4@earthlink.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


to bad you can't dictate emails or is this possible?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> yes, I too talk to my mac and tiger allows you to define speakable
> keyboard
> commands inside of applications.
>
> -- 
> Johnnie Apple Seed
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
> To: <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>; "Speakup is a screen review system for
> Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> the speech is way better than any synth out there. i've used macs since 92
> and although the first couple of vertions of the old screen reader of mac
> had a robotic voice. the plaintalk voices (witch are the voice for voice
> over) are the best quality voices out there. and get this, i've ben
> talking
> litterally to my mac since 96 asking it the time, asking it to do this or
> that and with supurb voice quality feedback on top of that. /off topic
> post
> off
> Blind Tech
> website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
> contact info can be found on website
> email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> EPYD the only place to be!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> | hello,
> |
> | does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
> | i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but
> they
> | are all silent when i download them.
> | thanks.
> |
> | pete.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | _______________________________________________
> | Speakup mailing list
> | Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> | http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> |
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Steve Dawes]

Well, I would have to say that having listen to the demo, that the voice
chosen for the demo is not the best software synth out there. In fact, if
the demo is using the best that VoiceOver has to offer, then it has a long
way to go to catch up to the software synths that are out there in other
operating systems.


Steve

Steve Dawes
Calgary Canada.



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of EPYD Productions
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:55 PM
To: pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk; Speakup is a screen review system for
Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


the speech is way better than any synth out there. i've used macs since 92
and although the first couple of vertions of the old screen reader of mac
had a robotic voice. the plaintalk voices (witch are the voice for voice
over) are the best quality voices out there. and get this, i've ben talking
litterally to my mac since 96 asking it the time, asking it to do this or
that and with supurb voice quality feedback on top of that. /off topic post
off
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| hello,
|
| does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
| i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but they
| are all silent when i download them.
| thanks.
|
| pete.
|
|
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Speakup mailing list
| Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|

_______________________________________________
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Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

the demo voice is not the best and the recording of it was not the best 
either.  Your mialage will vary with speakers and other factors including 
headphone quality.  Lots of people like eloq/viavoice and dec, I find them 
distasteul.  I do like some of the newer voices but they are cpu intensive.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


Well, I would have to say that having listen to the demo, that the voice
chosen for the demo is not the best software synth out there. In fact, if
the demo is using the best that VoiceOver has to offer, then it has a long
way to go to catch up to the software synths that are out there in other
operating systems.


Steve

Steve Dawes
Calgary Canada.



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of EPYD Productions
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:55 PM
To: pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk; Speakup is a screen review system for
Linux.
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


the speech is way better than any synth out there. i've used macs since 92
and although the first couple of vertions of the old screen reader of mac
had a robotic voice. the plaintalk voices (witch are the voice for voice
over) are the best quality voices out there. and get this, i've ben talking
litterally to my mac since 96 asking it the time, asking it to do this or
that and with supurb voice quality feedback on top of that. /off topic post
off
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| hello,
|
| does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
| i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but they
| are all silent when i download them.
| thanks.
|
| pete.
|
|
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Speakup mailing list
| Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|

_______________________________________________
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[EPYD Productions]

no. they used the default. but there are like four "human like voices"
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


| Well, I would have to say that having listen to the demo, that the voice
| chosen for the demo is not the best software synth out there. In fact, if
| the demo is using the best that VoiceOver has to offer, then it has a long
| way to go to catch up to the software synths that are out there in other
| operating systems.
|
|
| Steve
|
| Steve Dawes
| Calgary Canada.
|
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
| [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of EPYD Productions
| Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:55 PM
| To: pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk; Speakup is a screen review system for
| Linux.
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| the speech is way better than any synth out there. i've used macs since 92
| and although the first couple of vertions of the old screen reader of mac
| had a robotic voice. the plaintalk voices (witch are the voice for voice
| over) are the best quality voices out there. and get this, i've ben
talking
| litterally to my mac since 96 asking it the time, asking it to do this or
| that and with supurb voice quality feedback on top of that. /off topic
post
| off
| Blind Tech
| website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
| contact info can be found on website
| email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
| EPYD the only place to be!
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
| To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:39 AM
| Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
|
|
| | hello,
| |
| | does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
| | i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but
they
| | are all silent when i download them.
| | thanks.
| |
| | pete.
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | _______________________________________________
| | Speakup mailing list
| | Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| | http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
| |
|
| _______________________________________________
| Speakup mailing list
| Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Speakup mailing list
| Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
|

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[hank smith]

can you send me some speech samples?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
To: <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>; "Speakup is a screen review system for 
Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> the speech is way better than any synth out there. i've used macs since 92
> and although the first couple of vertions of the old screen reader of mac
> had a robotic voice. the plaintalk voices (witch are the voice for voice
> over) are the best quality voices out there. and get this, i've ben 
> talking
> litterally to my mac since 96 asking it the time, asking it to do this or
> that and with supurb voice quality feedback on top of that. /off topic 
> post
> off
> Blind Tech
> website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
> contact info can be found on website
> email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> EPYD the only place to be!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PETE gurney" <pete@gurneyfamily.org.uk>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review
>
>
> | hello,
> |
> | does anyone know where i can hear samples of the voice over speech.
> | i found 3 links on the apple site that are supposed to be samples but 
> they
> | are all silent when i download them.
> | thanks.
> |
> | pete.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | _______________________________________________
> | Speakup mailing list
> | Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> | http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> |
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[Sean McMahon]

What is VoiceOver?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
<blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a screen
review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi all
> Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
> program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
> review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
>
> What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
> demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
> over several parts.
>
> To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
> with your ideas and suggestions.
>
> Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
> be interested.
>
> Thanks
> - -- 
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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>
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Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review

[david poehlman]

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/voiceover/
just the hottest screen reader around.

-- 
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


What is VoiceOver?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com>
To: <Discuss@MacVisionaries.com>; "Linux for blind general discussion"
<blinux-list@redhat.com>; "Vip-L" <vip-l@softspeak.com.au>; "Speakup is a 
screen
review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi all
> Some of you may know about ACB Radio, and the Main Menu technology
> program that they have once a week. I intend to put together a Main Menu
> review of VoiceOver, and I am looking for your input.
>
> What do you want to know about VoiceOver? What do you want to hear
> demonstrated etc. If there is a lot of material, I will probably do it
> over several parts.
>
> To prevent list conjestion, it might be a good idea to email me off list
> with your ideas and suggestions.
>
> Please forward this to any other lists you are on with members who may
> be interested.
>
> Thanks
> - -- 
> Luke
>
> Get my public GPG key here: http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt
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> SdD9zU1YvQ3wqQdjoe+M4Cw=
> =67sU
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
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