From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.knology.net ([24.214.63.101]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DS28w-0004eQ-00 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:17:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 19501 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2005 00:17:03 -0000 Received: from user-24-236-69-150.knology.net (HELO localhost) (24.236.69.150) by smtp6.knology.net with SMTP; 1 May 2005 00:17:03 -0000 Received: from kenny by localhost with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DS2Bc-0005W2-Bh; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:19:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:19:52 -0500 To: Jane Lee , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Message-ID: <20050501001952.GA20626@blackbox> Mail-Followup-To: Jane Lee , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <009501c54d92$55232de0$6501a8c0@DAVIDPC> <05d101c54d92$f24d8de0$6a00a8c0@desktop> <20050430214315.GC9644@luke-laptop.yelavich.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Kenny Hitt Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 00:17:06 -0000 Hi. Thanks for your message, but I feel I have to correct you on one point. Speakup isn't a stand alone application. It is build into the Linux kernel. Because of this, it will only work on a Linux system and is useless on anything else. Hope this helps. Kenny On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 03:31:38PM -0700, Jane Lee wrote: > I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS > X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. > After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform > because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they > should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how > VoiceOver started. > > You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like > Windows or Linux. It relies on the Mac OS too much. This also means > that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod. > > On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is > called the Mac mini. Since the new operating system came out on the > 29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the > Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver. If you're planning > on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about > whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver > comes with, and not Panther just in case. Be warned, the Mac mini > does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor. This computer > was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't > mind keeping their old setups. Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the > Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars. > > Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for, > it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars. Some third party > retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers > and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a > university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars. A > "family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is > 200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk. > > Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac, > but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver > enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy > to use. There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no > activation (like Windows) either. > > If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple > retail store and ask one of the people there. The genius bar at all > the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on > VoiceOver for the first time). If you have technical questions on > problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :) I can help > out with most of the smaller issues. > > If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple, > their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email. > > cheers > jane > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup