* Re: strange question @ Martin G. McCormick ` Shaun Oliver ` Kirk Wood 0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Martin G. McCormick @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, by all means, save it. I am sure we have all had new kernels that just sat there doing nothing on boot because it either turned out that that kernel wasn't suitable for our system or that we made a terrible mistake in configuring it. I once configured a new kernel for a Dell system that uses a SCSI bus for the hard drive. I forgot about that because I also use a Dell system which is very similar to this one only with an IDE drive. The result was a paper weight of a computer until I could boot an old kernel and get the system back to life again. The biggest problem you will have in setting up kernels, at times, is finding out enough about your hardware to answer the questions properly. If you do that, you've taken care of the worst part of the whole thing. Right now, I have one kernel that boots perfectly on a Dell system, but which doesn't work quite right with sound, and another kernel which works better with sound, but which is obsolete. That kind of thing is what you will often-times run in to in the kernel game. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question strange question Martin G. McCormick @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Kirk Wood 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup haveing said that however, it's still daunting for those who've never configured and compiled a kernel before. thing is though, you're right. once you've done it and you know enough about your own system and what to configure for, it gets much easier as you go on. remember this though, it's all tryal and error. more often than not you'll get more errors than you'd like but it's worth the time u spend swearing and thinking about things. <grin> -- Shaun I never made a mistake in my life. I thought I did once, but I was wrong. -- Lucy Van Pelt email: shauno@goanna.net.au icq: 76958435 On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > by all means, save it. I am sure we have all had new kernels > that just sat there doing nothing on boot because it either > turned out that that kernel wasn't suitable for our system or > that we made a terrible mistake in configuring it. > > I once configured a new kernel for a Dell system that > uses a SCSI bus for the hard drive. I forgot about that because > I also use a Dell system which is very similar to this one only > with an IDE drive. The result was a paper weight of a computer > until I could boot an old kernel and get the system back to life > again. > > The biggest problem you will have in setting up kernels, > at times, is finding out enough about your hardware to answer the > questions properly. If you do that, you've taken care of the > worst part of the whole thing. > > Right now, I have one kernel that boots perfectly on a > Dell system, but which doesn't work quite right with sound, and > another kernel which works better with sound, but which is > obsolete. > > That kind of thing is what you will often-times run in to > in the kernel game. > > Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK > OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question strange question Martin G. McCormick ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Kirk Wood ` New Kernel Survival Strategies Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > by all means, save it. ..... Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new kernel and hit enter. Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Kirk Wood @ ` Janina Sajka ` Tim Burgess 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed the subject line. Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. Here's what I do: I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and bios. Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel into current. PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the append= line, of course. This has worked very well for me. On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > by all means, save it. ..... > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > kernel and hit enter. > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem. > > ======= > Kirk Wood > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." > - President George Bush > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` New Kernel Survival Strategies Janina Sajka @ ` Tim Burgess ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? Thanks. Tim -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed the subject line. Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. Here's what I do: I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and bios. Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel into current. PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the append= line, of course. This has worked very well for me. On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > by all means, save it. ..... > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > kernel and hit enter. > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem. > > ======= > Kirk Wood > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." > - President George Bush > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Tim Burgess @ ` Janina Sajka ` Tim Burgess 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi, > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my /etc/lilo.conf: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b compact prompt timeout=500 message=/boot/message lba32 default=current serial=0,9600N8 image=/boot/new label = new alias = n vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/current label=current alias = c vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/current label=express alias = x vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/current label=litetalk alias = l vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/current label=bns alias = b vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/previous label=previous alias = p vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" other=/dev/hda3 optional label=dos table = /dev/hda > Thanks. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed > the subject line. > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > Here's what I do: > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and > bios. > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > into current. > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the > append= line, of course. > > This has worked very well for me. > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem. > > > > ======= > > Kirk Wood > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." > > - President George Bush > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Janina Sajka @ ` Tim Burgess ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi and thanks. I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a successful compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that we learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate. Best wishes. Tim -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi, > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my /etc/lilo.conf: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b compact prompt timeout=500 message=/boot/message lba32 default=current serial=0,9600N8 image=/boot/new label = new alias = n vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/current label=current alias = c vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/current label=express alias = x vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/current label=litetalk alias = l vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/current label=bns alias = b vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" image = /boot/previous label=previous alias = p vga=0X317 initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous read-only root=/dev/hda1 append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" other=/dev/hda3 optional label=dos table = /dev/hda > Thanks. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed > the subject line. > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > Here's what I do: > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and > bios. > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > into current. > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the > append= line, of course. > > This has worked very well for me. > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem. > > > > ======= > > Kirk Wood > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." > > - President George Bush > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Tim Burgess @ ` Janina Sajka ` Tim Burgess 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Tim: Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk or perhaps: vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi and thanks. > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a successful > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that we > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate. > > Best wishes. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > /etc/lilo.conf: > > boot=/dev/hda > map=/boot/map > install=/boot/boot.b > compact > prompt > timeout=500 > message=/boot/message > lba32 > default=current > serial=0,9600N8 > > image=/boot/new > label = new > alias = n > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/current > label=current > alias = c > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/current > label=express > alias = x > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/current > label=litetalk > alias = l > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/current > label=bns > alias = b > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/previous > label=previous > alias = p > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > other=/dev/hda3 > optional > label=dos > > table = /dev/hda > > > Thanks. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed > > the subject line. > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and > > bios. > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > into current. > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the > > append= line, of course. > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > kernel > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back > by > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > that > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > mine > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem. > > > > > > ======= > > > Kirk Wood > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > decisive." > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Janina Sajka @ ` Tim Burgess ` Janina Sajka ` Frank Carmickle 0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi again, Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for Slackware (7.1 in my case)? Thanks yet again. Tim -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies Hi, Tim: Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk or perhaps: vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi and thanks. > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a successful > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that we > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate. > > Best wishes. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > /etc/lilo.conf: > > boot=/dev/hda > map=/boot/map > install=/boot/boot.b > compact > prompt > timeout=500 > message=/boot/message > lba32 > default=current > serial=0,9600N8 > > image=/boot/new > label = new > alias = n > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/current > label=current > alias = c > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/current > label=express > alias = x > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/current > label=litetalk > alias = l > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/current > label=bns > alias = b > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > image = /boot/previous > label=previous > alias = p > vga=0X317 > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > read-only > root=/dev/hda1 > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > other=/dev/hda3 > optional > label=dos > > table = /dev/hda > > > Thanks. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed > > the subject line. > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and > > bios. > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > into current. > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the > > append= line, of course. > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > kernel > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back > by > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > that > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > mine > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem. > > > > > > ======= > > > Kirk Wood > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > decisive." > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Tim Burgess @ ` Janina Sajka ` Tim Burgess ` Gregory Nowak ` Frank Carmickle 1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Absolutely, all the way around. Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous ftp at speakup.octothorp.org. Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is: /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will also need rawrite which is at: /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files. NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running in a DOS window in Windows. You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and wait for the floppy to stop spinning. Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet! <grin> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi again, > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > Thanks yet again. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > Hi, Tim: > > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: > > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk > > or perhaps: > > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk > > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. > > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. > > On Tue, 2 > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > Hi and thanks. > > > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a > successful > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that > we > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just > fallen > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > > /etc/lilo.conf: > > > > boot=/dev/hda > > map=/boot/map > > install=/boot/boot.b > > compact > > prompt > > timeout=500 > > message=/boot/message > > lba32 > > default=current > > serial=0,9600N8 > > > > image=/boot/new > > label = new > > alias = n > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/current > > label=current > > alias = c > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/current > > label=express > > alias = x > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/current > > label=litetalk > > alias = l > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/current > > label=bns > > alias = b > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/previous > > label=previous > > alias = p > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > other=/dev/hda3 > > optional > > label=dos > > > > table = /dev/hda > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed > > > the subject line. > > > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and > > > bios. > > > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > > into current. > > > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is > a > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the > > > append= line, of course. > > > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > > kernel > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make > another > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from > your > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of > the > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot > back > > by > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab > key > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like > the > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > > that > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > > mine > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me > to > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the > problem. > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > Kirk Wood > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > > decisive." > > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Janina Sajka @ ` Tim Burgess ` Janina Sajka ` Gregory Nowak ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware installation procedure and got access back right away. I've restored my original 2.2.16 vmlinuz and System.map, so all I need to do now is generate a working 2.2.18 kernel. Since my last attempt compiled and then gave a kernel panic the following questions spring to mind: 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to aid my trouble-shooting? 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful boot disk (or create a new one)? Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site. Tim -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies Absolutely, all the way around. Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous ftp at ftp://speakup.octothorp.org. Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is: /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will also need rawrite which is at: /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files. NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running in a DOS window in Windows. You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and wait for the floppy to stop spinning. Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet! <grin> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi again, > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > Thanks yet again. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > Hi, Tim: > > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: > > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk > > or perhaps: > > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk > > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. > > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. > > On Tue, 2 > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > Hi and thanks. > > > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a > successful > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that > we > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just > fallen > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > > /etc/lilo.conf: > > > > boot=/dev/hda > > map=/boot/map > > install=/boot/boot.b > > compact > > prompt > > timeout=500 > > message=/boot/message > > lba32 > > default=current > > serial=0,9600N8 > > > > image=/boot/new > > label = new > > alias = n > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/current > > label=current > > alias = c > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/current > > label=express > > alias = x > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/current > > label=litetalk > > alias = l > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/current > > label=bns > > alias = b > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > image = /boot/previous > > label=previous > > alias = p > > vga=0X317 > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda1 > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > other=/dev/hda3 > > optional > > label=dos > > > > table = /dev/hda > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed > > > the subject line. > > > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and > > > bios. > > > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > > into current. > > > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is > a > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the > > > append= line, of course. > > > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > > kernel > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make > another > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from > your > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of > the > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot > back > > by > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab > key > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like > the > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > > that > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > > mine > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me > to > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the > problem. > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > Kirk Wood > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > > decisive." > > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Tim Burgess @ ` Janina Sajka ` Tim Burgess ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Tim: Congrats on getting the linux box back! On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware > installation procedure and got access back right away. Right on. That's exactly what it's for. I like to call it the "get out of jail free disk." <<<snip snip>>> > 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a > file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to > aid my trouble-shooting? We have a spaghetti sauce here in the States that has a commercial which uses the phrase: "It's already in there." So, Tim, take a look at /var/log and have at all the logs you need. They're already in there. > 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful boot > disk (or create a new one)? > Well, don't know about slackware, but on Redhat there's a script: mkbootdisk PS: I don't think you're a pain at all. Janina > Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I > understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are > starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to > create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > Absolutely, all the way around. > > Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous > ftp at > ftp://speakup.octothorp.org. > > Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a > full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img > > This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will > also need rawrite which is at: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe > > This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files. > > NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in > order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to > run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running > in a DOS window in Windows. > > You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from > rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what > drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when > ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the > third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and > wait for the floppy to stop spinning. > > Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet! > <grin> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess > wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > > > Thanks yet again. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > Hi, Tim: > > > > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled > > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the > > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: > > > > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk > > > > or perhaps: > > > > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk > > > > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. > > > > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. > > > > On Tue, 2 > > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > Hi and thanks. > > > > > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a > > successful > > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel > panic > > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my > /boot/vmlinuz.old > > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true > that > > we > > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this > rate. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just > > fallen > > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > > > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > > > > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > > > /etc/lilo.conf: > > > > > > boot=/dev/hda > > > map=/boot/map > > > install=/boot/boot.b > > > compact > > > prompt > > > timeout=500 > > > message=/boot/message > > > lba32 > > > default=current > > > serial=0,9600N8 > > > > > > image=/boot/new > > > label = new > > > alias = n > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=current > > > alias = c > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=express > > > alias = x > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=litetalk > > > alias = l > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=bns > > > alias = b > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/previous > > > label=previous > > > alias = p > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > other=/dev/hda3 > > > optional > > > label=dos > > > > > > table = /dev/hda > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've > changed > > > > the subject line. > > > > > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. > These > > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo > and > > > > bios. > > > > > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > > > into current. > > > > > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these > is > > a > > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on > the > > > > append= line, of course. > > > > > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > > > kernel > > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make > > another > > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from > > your > > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of > > the > > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot > > back > > > by > > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab > > key > > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte > new > > > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like > > the > > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > > > that > > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > > > mine > > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music > for > > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for > me > > to > > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > Kirk Wood > > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > > > decisive." > > > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Janina Sajka @ ` Tim Burgess 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Thanks Gina, I'm going for another attempt this morning - fingers crossed! Thanks again. Tim -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 02 October 2001 22:28 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies Hi, Tim: Congrats on getting the linux box back! On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware > installation procedure and got access back right away. Right on. That's exactly what it's for. I like to call it the "get out of jail free disk." <<<snip snip>>> > 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a > file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to > aid my trouble-shooting? We have a spaghetti sauce here in the States that has a commercial which uses the phrase: "It's already in there." So, Tim, take a look at /var/log and have at all the logs you need. They're already in there. > 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful boot > disk (or create a new one)? > Well, don't know about slackware, but on Redhat there's a script: mkbootdisk PS: I don't think you're a pain at all. Janina > Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I > understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are > starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to > create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > Absolutely, all the way around. > > Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous > ftp at > ftp://speakup.octothorp.org. > > Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a > full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img > > This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will > also need rawrite which is at: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe > > This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files. > > NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in > order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to > run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running > in a DOS window in Windows. > > You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from > rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what > drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when > ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the > third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and > wait for the floppy to stop spinning. > > Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet! > <grin> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess > wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > > > Thanks yet again. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > Hi, Tim: > > > > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled > > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the > > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: > > > > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk > > > > or perhaps: > > > > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk > > > > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. > > > > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. > > > > On Tue, 2 > > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > Hi and thanks. > > > > > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a > > successful > > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel > panic > > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my > /boot/vmlinuz.old > > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true > that > > we > > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this > rate. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just > > fallen > > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > > > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > > > > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > > > /etc/lilo.conf: > > > > > > boot=/dev/hda > > > map=/boot/map > > > install=/boot/boot.b > > > compact > > > prompt > > > timeout=500 > > > message=/boot/message > > > lba32 > > > default=current > > > serial=0,9600N8 > > > > > > image=/boot/new > > > label = new > > > alias = n > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=current > > > alias = c > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=express > > > alias = x > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=litetalk > > > alias = l > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=bns > > > alias = b > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/previous > > > label=previous > > > alias = p > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > other=/dev/hda3 > > > optional > > > label=dos > > > > > > table = /dev/hda > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've > changed > > > > the subject line. > > > > > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. > These > > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo > and > > > > bios. > > > > > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > > > into current. > > > > > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these > is > > a > > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on > the > > > > append= line, of course. > > > > > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > > > kernel > > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make > > another > > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from > > your > > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of > > the > > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot > > back > > > by > > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab > > key > > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte > new > > > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like > > the > > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > > > that > > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > > > mine > > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music > for > > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for > me > > to > > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > Kirk Wood > > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > > > decisive." > > > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Tim Burgess ` Janina Sajka @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Tim Burgess 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Updating/creating a boot disk with slackware is done with the makebootdisk utility. Greg On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:10:39PM +0100, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi, > > I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware > installation procedure and got access back right away. I've restored my > original 2.2.16 vmlinuz and System.map, so all I need to do now is generate > a working 2.2.18 kernel. Since my last attempt compiled and then gave a > kernel panic the following questions spring to mind: > > 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a > file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to > aid my trouble-shooting? > > 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful boot > disk (or create a new one)? > > Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I > understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are > starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to > create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > Absolutely, all the way around. > > Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous > ftp at > ftp://speakup.octothorp.org. > > Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a > full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img > > This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will > also need rawrite which is at: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe > > This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files. > > NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in > order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to > run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running > in a DOS window in Windows. > > You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from > rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what > drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when > ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the > third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and > wait for the floppy to stop spinning. > > Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet! > <grin> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess > wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > > > Thanks yet again. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > Hi, Tim: > > > > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled > > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the > > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: > > > > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk > > > > or perhaps: > > > > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk > > > > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. > > > > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. > > > > On Tue, 2 > > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > Hi and thanks. > > > > > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a > > successful > > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel > panic > > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my > /boot/vmlinuz.old > > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true > that > > we > > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this > rate. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just > > fallen > > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > > > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > > > > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > > > /etc/lilo.conf: > > > > > > boot=/dev/hda > > > map=/boot/map > > > install=/boot/boot.b > > > compact > > > prompt > > > timeout=500 > > > message=/boot/message > > > lba32 > > > default=current > > > serial=0,9600N8 > > > > > > image=/boot/new > > > label = new > > > alias = n > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=current > > > alias = c > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=express > > > alias = x > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=litetalk > > > alias = l > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=bns > > > alias = b > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/previous > > > label=previous > > > alias = p > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > other=/dev/hda3 > > > optional > > > label=dos > > > > > > table = /dev/hda > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've > changed > > > > the subject line. > > > > > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. > These > > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo > and > > > > bios. > > > > > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > > > into current. > > > > > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these > is > > a > > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on > the > > > > append= line, of course. > > > > > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > > > kernel > > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make > > another > > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from > > your > > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of > > the > > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot > > back > > > by > > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab > > key > > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte > new > > > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like > > the > > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > > > that > > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > > > mine > > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music > for > > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for > me > > to > > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > Kirk Wood > > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > > > decisive." > > > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Tim Burgess 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Thanks Greg, When I get a kernel worth the processing, I'll use the command! Cheers. Tim -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak Sent: 03 October 2001 01:33 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: New Kernel Survival Strategies Updating/creating a boot disk with slackware is done with the makebootdisk utility. Greg On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:10:39PM +0100, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi, > > I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware > installation procedure and got access back right away. I've restored my > original 2.2.16 vmlinuz and System.map, so all I need to do now is generate > a working 2.2.18 kernel. Since my last attempt compiled and then gave a > kernel panic the following questions spring to mind: > > 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a > file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to > aid my trouble-shooting? > > 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful boot > disk (or create a new one)? > > Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I > understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are > starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to > create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17 > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > Absolutely, all the way around. > > Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous > ftp at > ftp://speakup.octothorp.org. > > Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a > full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img > > This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will > also need rawrite which is at: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe > > This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files. > > NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in > order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to > run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running > in a DOS window in Windows. > > You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from > rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what > drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when > ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the > third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and > wait for the floppy to stop spinning. > > Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet! > <grin> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess > wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > > > Thanks yet again. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > Hi, Tim: > > > > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled > > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the > > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: > > > > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk > > > > or perhaps: > > > > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk > > > > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. > > > > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. > > > > On Tue, 2 > > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > Hi and thanks. > > > > > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a > > successful > > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel > panic > > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my > /boot/vmlinuz.old > > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true > that > > we > > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this > rate. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just > > fallen > > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > > > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > > > > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > > > /etc/lilo.conf: > > > > > > boot=/dev/hda > > > map=/boot/map > > > install=/boot/boot.b > > > compact > > > prompt > > > timeout=500 > > > message=/boot/message > > > lba32 > > > default=current > > > serial=0,9600N8 > > > > > > image=/boot/new > > > label = new > > > alias = n > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=current > > > alias = c > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=express > > > alias = x > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=litetalk > > > alias = l > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=bns > > > alias = b > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/previous > > > label=previous > > > alias = p > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > other=/dev/hda3 > > > optional > > > label=dos > > > > > > table = /dev/hda > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've > changed > > > > the subject line. > > > > > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. > These > > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo > and > > > > bios. > > > > > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > > > into current. > > > > > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these > is > > a > > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on > the > > > > append= line, of course. > > > > > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > > > kernel > > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make > > another > > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from > > your > > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of > > the > > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot > > back > > > by > > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab > > key > > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte > new > > > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like > > the > > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > > > that > > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > > > mine > > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music > for > > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for > me > > to > > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > Kirk Wood > > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > > > decisive." > > > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Janina Sajka ` Tim Burgess @ ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I believe Tim asked for Slackware, not Redhat. Greg On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:17:27PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > Absolutely, all the way around. > > Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous ftp at > speakup.octothorp.org. > > Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a > full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img > > This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will > also need rawrite which is at: > > /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe > > This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files. > > NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in > order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to > run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running > in a DOS window in Windows. > > You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from > rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what > drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when > ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the > third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and > wait for the floppy to stop spinning. > > Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet! > <grin> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess > wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > > > Thanks yet again. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18 > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > Hi, Tim: > > > > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled > > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the > > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example: > > > > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk > > > > or perhaps: > > > > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk > > > > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have. > > > > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed. > > > > On Tue, 2 > > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > Hi and thanks. > > > > > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a > > successful > > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic > > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old > > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that > > we > > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49 > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to > > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just > > fallen > > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong? > > > > > > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be > > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things. > > > > > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my > > > /etc/lilo.conf: > > > > > > boot=/dev/hda > > > map=/boot/map > > > install=/boot/boot.b > > > compact > > > prompt > > > timeout=500 > > > message=/boot/message > > > lba32 > > > default=current > > > serial=0,9600N8 > > > > > > image=/boot/new > > > label = new > > > alias = n > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=current > > > alias = c > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=express > > > alias = x > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=litetalk > > > alias = l > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/current > > > label=bns > > > alias = b > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image = /boot/previous > > > label=previous > > > alias = p > > > vga=0X317 > > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda1 > > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi" > > > > > > other=/dev/hda3 > > > optional > > > label=dos > > > > > > table = /dev/hda > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53 > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed > > > > the subject line. > > > > > > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy. > > > > > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > > > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These > > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate > > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to > > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and > > > > bios. > > > > > > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during > > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm. > > > > > > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel > > > > into current. > > > > > > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is > > a > > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the > > > > append= line, of course. > > > > > > > > This has worked very well for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The > > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel, > > > > > > by all means, save it. ..... > > > > > > > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new > > > kernel > > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make > > another > > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from > > your > > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of > > the > > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot > > back > > > by > > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab > > key > > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new > > > > > kernel and hit enter. > > > > > > > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like > > the > > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so > > > that > > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name > > > mine > > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for > > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me > > to > > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If > > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > Kirk Wood > > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > > > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be > > > decisive." > > > > > - President George Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Tim Burgess ` Janina Sajka @ ` Frank Carmickle ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Frank Carmickle @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Tim slackware7.1 images can be found at ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/slackware-7.1/ These will have speakup0.09a in them I believe. Just build a new kernel with the latest cvs speakup when you get the machine back up and running. On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > Hi again, > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? -- Frank Carmickle phone: 412 761-9568 email: frankiec@dryrose.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Frank Carmickle @ ` Janina Sajka ` Tim Burgess 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ooopps. Missed that Tim has Slack and not Redhat. Though the Redhat floppy should still get him into rescue mode! On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote: > Hi Tim > > slackware7.1 images can be found at > ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/slackware-7.1/ > These will have speakup0.09a in them I believe. Just build a new kernel > with the latest cvs speakup when you get the machine back up and running. > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies ` Janina Sajka @ ` Tim Burgess 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, No problem - I'm game for trying it with a RedHat image. I've just created the disk and I'll get back to you when I've tried it out. Cheers. Tim -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 02 October 2001 19:55 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies Ooopps. Missed that Tim has Slack and not Redhat. Though the Redhat floppy should still get him into rescue mode! On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote: > Hi Tim > > slackware7.1 images can be found at > ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/slackware-7.1/ > These will have speakup0.09a in them I believe. Just build a new kernel > with the latest cvs speakup when you get the machine back up and running. > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for > > Slackware (7.1 in my case)? > > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: strange question
@ Whitley GS11 Cecil H
` Janina Sajka
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Whitley GS11 Cecil H @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Hi,
I just joined the list today. In reviewing the last month I noticed this
thread. I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution. It works
well for me. I am running nt 4.0 with jaws.
On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box
running squid. It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy
goes in the dustbin. I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't
installed it yet. My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or
laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning. Since I
run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there,
but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention
pcmcia.
Why redhat? That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you
call in hardware issues.
The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares! Okay, so that's
a dos-ism..... I'll get over it. For ya'll whom are running redhat, is
2.4.3-12 advisable?
Regards,
Cecil
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread* RE: strange question strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H @ ` Janina Sajka ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 ` Amanda Lee 2 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' Hi, Cecil, and welcome to the speakup list. I think we can tell already you'll be an asset here! <grin> I would agree with you about the SSH clients available in Cygwin, but I just don't know that it's all that valuable to install such a large footprint for just a tiny component. And, once installed, it's still only a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package goes both ways--command line and gui. As to compiling kernels, fear not. In fact, I think I can put you at ease about kernels very easily. Are you aware that you can have several kernels waiting at the ready when you boot? You can choose one one time, and a different one another time. So, the magic trick with kernels is to get one working more or less as you need. Thereafter, as long as you take care not to trash that one, you can simply add without penalty. It's really quite cool. Also, another way to think of custom kernels is to see them as a customized sports car. The stock distribution gives you a stock sedan. When you customize, you get to tweak your performance. Also quite cool. Again, welcome. On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Whitley GS11 Cecil H wrote: > Hi, > I just joined the list today. In reviewing the last month I noticed this > thread. I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution. It works > well for me. I am running nt 4.0 with jaws. > On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box > running squid. It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy > goes in the dustbin. I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't > installed it yet. My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or > laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning. Since I > run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there, > but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention > pcmcia. > Why redhat? That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you > call in hardware issues. > The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares! Okay, so that's > a dos-ism..... I'll get over it. For ya'll whom are running redhat, is > 2.4.3-12 advisable? > Regards, > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: strange question strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H ` Janina Sajka @ ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 ` Amanda Lee 2 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' Hi, Cecil, My workstation is a Toshiba Tecra 8200 laptop. I made a small modification to the speakup keymap in order to make it easier on a laptop. You can find everything you need for a full talking RedHat-7.1 installation at ftp://speakup.octothorp.org/pub/redhat-7.1. If you have any questions, call or write. Calling will usually get a quicker response. HTH. Bill in Denver ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: strange question strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H ` Janina Sajka ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @ ` Amanda Lee 2 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' I likewise stand behind the Shareware programs that I am using. you can try these for 30 days and I find them very accessible. qvt/Term, the telnet client does also provide an earlier version of ssh May have posted the incorrect url. It is: http://www.qpc.com (go to the products link) and you can either download or order two different products. Amanda leeSoftware Engineer Verizon Communications Arlington, VA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* strange question
@ Deedra Waters
` Kirk Wood
` (5 more replies)
0 siblings, 6 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Deedra Waters @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
ask, but....
I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
out on the list.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread* Re: strange question Deedra Waters @ ` Kirk Wood ` Amanda Lee ` (4 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I would take it off list, but this is a question that has come up before and thus it makes sense that others would want to know. Several people I know use TeraTerm. I have friends who use this with Jaws, and with Window Bridge. And it has SSH ability. I don't know where you get it, but perhaps someone else will answer that question shortly. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question Deedra Waters ` Kirk Wood @ ` Amanda Lee ` Amanda Lee ` (3 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Go to http://www.qps.com Download the trial version of the QVT package/can't remember what the whole thing is called. However, there is a program in there called QVT Term I capitalized these but don't think they actually are. qvtterm is a much better telnet client that once you can establish a connection via someone elses Internet Connection, you can just telnet to your account by just typing: c name of your provider Then you just login as needed. I use this at work to telnet out of our network and works great! You can also save off the screen and do some cutting and pasting with it. There is an upload and download feature which I haven't been able to use but may be because of the network. Otherwise, you can use the telnet client already available in Windows but it's not the best. BTW, I am a former Tampa resident. Still own a small home in Tampa and sure want to go back. I moved to Alexandria, VA in 1989 for work. Presently work for Verizon Communications so maybe can get a transfer someday. Good luck! Amanda Lee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question Deedra Waters ` Kirk Wood ` Amanda Lee @ ` Amanda Lee ` Janina Sajka ` (2 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ooops, that wasn't intended for the list! Amanda Lee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question Deedra Waters ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` Amanda Lee @ ` Janina Sajka ` Janina Sajka ` Janina Sajka 5 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hmm, sorry, Amanda. She's accessing her home computer for mail. You got caught by a very common kind of thing we see all the time on linux lists. You're assuming the world defined in Windows terms. Please don't take offense at my saying this, because it's not meant that way. On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote: > This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to > ask, but.... > > I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to > is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work > well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer? > if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic > out on the list. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question Deedra Waters ` (3 preceding siblings ...) ` Janina Sajka @ ` Janina Sajka ` Janina Sajka 5 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Deedra: I'm currently looking at several Windows SSH clients on behalf of ACB. I'll advise here when I have a sense about their accessibility. On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote: > This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to > ask, but.... > > I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to > is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work > well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer? > if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic > out on the list. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question Deedra Waters ` (4 preceding siblings ...) ` Janina Sajka @ ` Janina Sajka ` Sean murphy 5 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Deedra: I have just send the speakup list a copy of my just concluded evaluation of ssh clients for Windows. Now, I want to answer your note more directly: Regretably, there seem to be no good Windows clients for remote console access over SSH. But, there are several excellent DOS command line clients. So, if the computer you will have access to can provide you access to DOS in a way that works for you, get the Win32 download from: http://www.ssh.com and install the command line functions and paths. The access you get should be excellent for simple command line tasks. Access to utilities like Pine may be more problematic, as there are cursor tracking issues involved. Maybe it will be OK. I did not test Pine. PS: In the course of looking around I installed the cygwin utilities. These are absolutely wonderful. They are also quite up to date. I now have a bash 2.05 and a lynx 2.8.4 with ssl support that run as PC Console applications under Windows. Very cool. PSS: Makes me think that trplayer may be portable to Win environments. On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote: > This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to > ask, but.... > > I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to > is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work > well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer? > if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic > out on the list. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question ` Janina Sajka @ ` Sean murphy 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Sean murphy @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi. I use Terra Term Pro with JFw and its SSH impleamentation. Terra Term Pro doesn't use the last version of SSH. Sean.----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 4:55 AM Subject: Re: strange question > Hi, Deedra: > > I have just send the speakup list a copy of my just concluded evaluation > of ssh clients for Windows. Now, I want to answer your note more directly: > > Regretably, there seem to be no good Windows clients for remote console > access over SSH. But, there are several excellent DOS command line > clients. So, if the computer you will have access to can provide you > access to DOS in a way that works for you, get the Win32 download from: > > http://www.ssh.com > > and install the command line functions and paths. The access you get > should be excellent for simple command line tasks. Access to utilities > like Pine may be more problematic, as there are cursor tracking issues > involved. Maybe it will be OK. I did not test Pine. > > PS: In the course of looking around I installed the cygwin utilities. > These are absolutely wonderful. They are also quite up to date. I now have > a bash 2.05 and a lynx 2.8.4 with ssl support that run as PC Console > applications under Windows. Very cool. > > PSS: Makes me think that trplayer may be portable to Win environments. > On > Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters > wrote: > > > This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to > > ask, but.... > > > > I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to > > is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work > > well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer? > > if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic > > out on the list. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
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