* Re: strange question
@ Martin G. McCormick
` Shaun Oliver
` Kirk Wood
0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Martin G. McCormick @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
by all means, save it. I am sure we have all had new kernels
that just sat there doing nothing on boot because it either
turned out that that kernel wasn't suitable for our system or
that we made a terrible mistake in configuring it.
I once configured a new kernel for a Dell system that
uses a SCSI bus for the hard drive. I forgot about that because
I also use a Dell system which is very similar to this one only
with an IDE drive. The result was a paper weight of a computer
until I could boot an old kernel and get the system back to life
again.
The biggest problem you will have in setting up kernels,
at times, is finding out enough about your hardware to answer the
questions properly. If you do that, you've taken care of the
worst part of the whole thing.
Right now, I have one kernel that boots perfectly on a
Dell system, but which doesn't work quite right with sound, and
another kernel which works better with sound, but which is
obsolete.
That kind of thing is what you will often-times run in to
in the kernel game.
Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK
OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
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* Re: strange question
strange question Martin G. McCormick
@ ` Shaun Oliver
` Kirk Wood
1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
haveing said that however, it's still daunting for those who've never
configured and compiled a kernel before.
thing is though, you're right. once you've done it and you know enough
about your own system and what to configure for, it gets much easier as
you go on.
remember this though, it's all tryal and error.
more often than not you'll get more errors than you'd like but it's worth
the time u spend swearing and thinking about things. <grin>
--
Shaun
I never made a mistake in my life.
I thought I did once, but I was wrong.
-- Lucy Van Pelt
email: shauno@goanna.net.au
icq: 76958435
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> by all means, save it. I am sure we have all had new kernels
> that just sat there doing nothing on boot because it either
> turned out that that kernel wasn't suitable for our system or
> that we made a terrible mistake in configuring it.
>
> I once configured a new kernel for a Dell system that
> uses a SCSI bus for the hard drive. I forgot about that because
> I also use a Dell system which is very similar to this one only
> with an IDE drive. The result was a paper weight of a computer
> until I could boot an old kernel and get the system back to life
> again.
>
> The biggest problem you will have in setting up kernels,
> at times, is finding out enough about your hardware to answer the
> questions properly. If you do that, you've taken care of the
> worst part of the whole thing.
>
> Right now, I have one kernel that boots perfectly on a
> Dell system, but which doesn't work quite right with sound, and
> another kernel which works better with sound, but which is
> obsolete.
>
> That kind of thing is what you will often-times run in to
> in the kernel game.
>
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK
> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: strange question
strange question Martin G. McCormick
` Shaun Oliver
@ ` Kirk Wood
` New Kernel Survival Strategies Janina Sajka
1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> by all means, save it. .....
Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel
copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another
entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your
current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the
kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by
simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key
right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
kernel and hit enter.
Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the
one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that
anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine
with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to
tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Kirk Wood
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Tim Burgess
0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed
the subject line.
Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
Here's what I do:
I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These
are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and
bios.
Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
into current.
PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a
separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the
append= line, of course.
This has worked very well for me.
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > by all means, save it. .....
>
> Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel
> copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another
> entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your
> current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the
> kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by
> simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key
> right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
> kernel and hit enter.
>
> Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the
> one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that
> anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine
> with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
> when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to
> tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> - President George Bush
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
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* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` New Kernel Survival Strategies Janina Sajka
@ ` Tim Burgess
` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi,
This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen
foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
Thanks.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed
the subject line.
Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
Here's what I do:
I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These
are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and
bios.
Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
into current.
PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a
separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the
append= line, of course.
This has worked very well for me.
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > by all means, save it. .....
>
> Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel
> copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another
> entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your
> current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the
> kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by
> simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key
> right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
> kernel and hit enter.
>
> Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the
> one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that
> anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine
> with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
> when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to
> tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> - President George Bush
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Tim Burgess
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Tim Burgess
0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen
> foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
>
No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
/etc/lilo.conf:
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
compact
prompt
timeout=500
message=/boot/message
lba32
default=current
serial=0,9600N8
image=/boot/new
label = new
alias = n
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/current
label=current
alias = c
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/current
label=express
alias = x
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/current
label=litetalk
alias = l
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/current
label=bns
alias = b
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/previous
label=previous
alias = p
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
other=/dev/hda3
optional
label=dos
table = /dev/hda
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
>
> Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed
> the subject line.
>
> Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
>
> Here's what I do:
>
> I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These
> are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and
> bios.
>
> Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
>
> Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> into current.
>
> PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a
> separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the
> append= line, of course.
>
> This has worked very well for me.
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > by all means, save it. .....
> >
> > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel
> > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another
> > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your
> > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the
> > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by
> > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key
> > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
> > kernel and hit enter.
> >
> > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the
> > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that
> > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine
> > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
> > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to
> > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> > - President George Bush
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Tim Burgess
` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi and thanks.
I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a successful
compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic
that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old
as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that we
learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate.
Best wishes.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen
> foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
>
No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
/etc/lilo.conf:
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
compact
prompt
timeout=500
message=/boot/message
lba32
default=current
serial=0,9600N8
image=/boot/new
label = new
alias = n
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/current
label=current
alias = c
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/current
label=express
alias = x
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/current
label=litetalk
alias = l
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/current
label=bns
alias = b
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
image = /boot/previous
label=previous
alias = p
vga=0X317
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
other=/dev/hda3
optional
label=dos
table = /dev/hda
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
>
> Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed
> the subject line.
>
> Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
>
> Here's what I do:
>
> I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These
> are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and
> bios.
>
> Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
>
> Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> into current.
>
> PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a
> separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the
> append= line, of course.
>
> This has worked very well for me.
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > by all means, save it. .....
> >
> > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new
kernel
> > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another
> > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your
> > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the
> > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back
by
> > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key
> > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
> > kernel and hit enter.
> >
> > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the
> > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so
that
> > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name
mine
> > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
> > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to
> > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
decisive."
> > - President George Bush
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Tim Burgess
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Tim Burgess
0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi, Tim:
Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled
floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
or perhaps:
vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
On Tue, 2
Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> Hi and thanks.
>
> I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a successful
> compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic
> that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old
> as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that we
> learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just fallen
> > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> >
> No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
>
> The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> /etc/lilo.conf:
>
> boot=/dev/hda
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> compact
> prompt
> timeout=500
> message=/boot/message
> lba32
> default=current
> serial=0,9600N8
>
> image=/boot/new
> label = new
> alias = n
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/current
> label=current
> alias = c
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/current
> label=express
> alias = x
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/current
> label=litetalk
> alias = l
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/current
> label=bns
> alias = b
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/previous
> label=previous
> alias = p
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> other=/dev/hda3
> optional
> label=dos
>
> table = /dev/hda
>
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed
> > the subject line.
> >
> > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> >
> > Here's what I do:
> >
> > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These
> > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and
> > bios.
> >
> > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> >
> > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> > into current.
> >
> > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is a
> > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the
> > append= line, of course.
> >
> > This has worked very well for me.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > >
> > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new
> kernel
> > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another
> > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your
> > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the
> > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back
> by
> > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key
> > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
> > > kernel and hit enter.
> > >
> > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the
> > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so
> that
> > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name
> mine
> > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
> > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to
> > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > >
> > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> decisive."
> > > - President George Bush
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Tim Burgess
` Janina Sajka
` Frank Carmickle
0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi again,
Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
Thanks yet again.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
Hi, Tim:
Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled
floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
or perhaps:
vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
On Tue, 2
Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> Hi and thanks.
>
> I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a
successful
> compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic
> that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old
> as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that
we
> learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just
fallen
> > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> >
> No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
>
> The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> /etc/lilo.conf:
>
> boot=/dev/hda
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> compact
> prompt
> timeout=500
> message=/boot/message
> lba32
> default=current
> serial=0,9600N8
>
> image=/boot/new
> label = new
> alias = n
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/current
> label=current
> alias = c
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/current
> label=express
> alias = x
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/current
> label=litetalk
> alias = l
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/current
> label=bns
> alias = b
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> image = /boot/previous
> label=previous
> alias = p
> vga=0X317
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda1
> append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
>
> other=/dev/hda3
> optional
> label=dos
>
> table = /dev/hda
>
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed
> > the subject line.
> >
> > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> >
> > Here's what I do:
> >
> > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These
> > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and
> > bios.
> >
> > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> >
> > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> > into current.
> >
> > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is
a
> > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the
> > append= line, of course.
> >
> > This has worked very well for me.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > >
> > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new
> kernel
> > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make
another
> > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from
your
> > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of
the
> > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot
back
> by
> > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab
key
> > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
> > > kernel and hit enter.
> > >
> > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like
the
> > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so
> that
> > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name
> mine
> > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
> > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me
to
> > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the
problem.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > >
> > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> decisive."
> > > - President George Bush
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Tim Burgess
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Tim Burgess
` Gregory Nowak
` Frank Carmickle
1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Absolutely, all the way around.
Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous ftp at
speakup.octothorp.org.
Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a
full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is:
/pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img
This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will
also need rawrite which is at:
/pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe
This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files.
NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in
order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to
run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running
in a DOS window in Windows.
You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from
rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what
drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when
ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the
third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and
wait for the floppy to stop spinning.
Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet!
<grin>
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess
wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
>
> Thanks yet again.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
> Hi, Tim:
>
> Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled
> floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
> Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
>
> vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
>
> or perhaps:
>
> vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
>
> Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
>
> If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
>
> On Tue, 2
> Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
>
> > Hi and thanks.
> >
> > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a
> successful
> > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic
> > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old
> > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that
> we
> > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate.
> >
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just
> fallen
> > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> > >
> > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
> >
> > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> > /etc/lilo.conf:
> >
> > boot=/dev/hda
> > map=/boot/map
> > install=/boot/boot.b
> > compact
> > prompt
> > timeout=500
> > message=/boot/message
> > lba32
> > default=current
> > serial=0,9600N8
> >
> > image=/boot/new
> > label = new
> > alias = n
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/current
> > label=current
> > alias = c
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/current
> > label=express
> > alias = x
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/current
> > label=litetalk
> > alias = l
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/current
> > label=bns
> > alias = b
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/previous
> > label=previous
> > alias = p
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > other=/dev/hda3
> > optional
> > label=dos
> >
> > table = /dev/hda
> >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed
> > > the subject line.
> > >
> > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> > >
> > > Here's what I do:
> > >
> > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These
> > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and
> > > bios.
> > >
> > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> > >
> > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> > > into current.
> > >
> > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is
> a
> > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the
> > > append= line, of course.
> > >
> > > This has worked very well for me.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > > >
> > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new
> > kernel
> > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make
> another
> > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from
> your
> > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of
> the
> > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot
> back
> > by
> > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab
> key
> > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
> > > > kernel and hit enter.
> > > >
> > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like
> the
> > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so
> > that
> > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name
> > mine
> > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
> > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me
> to
> > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the
> problem.
> > > >
> > > > =======
> > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > >
> > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> > decisive."
> > > > - President George Bush
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
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* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Tim Burgess
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Frank Carmickle
` Janina Sajka
1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Frank Carmickle @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi Tim
slackware7.1 images can be found at
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/slackware-7.1/
These will have speakup0.09a in them I believe. Just build a new kernel
with the latest cvs speakup when you get the machine back up and running.
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
--
Frank Carmickle
phone: 412 761-9568
email: frankiec@dryrose.com
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Frank Carmickle
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Tim Burgess
0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Ooopps. Missed that Tim has Slack and not Redhat. Though the Redhat floppy
should still get him into rescue mode!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:
> Hi Tim
>
> slackware7.1 images can be found at
> ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/slackware-7.1/
> These will have speakup0.09a in them I believe. Just build a new kernel
> with the latest cvs speakup when you get the machine back up and running.
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> > Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
>
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Tim Burgess
0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi,
No problem - I'm game for trying it with a RedHat image. I've just created
the disk and I'll get back to you when I've tried it out.
Cheers.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 02 October 2001 19:55
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
Ooopps. Missed that Tim has Slack and not Redhat. Though the Redhat floppy
should still get him into rescue mode!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:
> Hi Tim
>
> slackware7.1 images can be found at
> ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/slackware-7.1/
> These will have speakup0.09a in them I believe. Just build a new kernel
> with the latest cvs speakup when you get the machine back up and running.
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> > Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
>
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Tim Burgess
` Janina Sajka
` Gregory Nowak
` Gregory Nowak
1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi,
I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware
installation procedure and got access back right away. I've restored my
original 2.2.16 vmlinuz and System.map, so all I need to do now is generate
a working 2.2.18 kernel. Since my last attempt compiled and then gave a
kernel panic the following questions spring to mind:
1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a
file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to
aid my trouble-shooting?
2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful boot
disk (or create a new one)?
Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I
understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are
starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to
create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
Absolutely, all the way around.
Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous
ftp at
ftp://speakup.octothorp.org.
Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a
full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is:
/pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img
This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will
also need rawrite which is at:
/pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe
This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files.
NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in
order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to
run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running
in a DOS window in Windows.
You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from
rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what
drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when
ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the
third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and
wait for the floppy to stop spinning.
Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet!
<grin>
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess
wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
>
> Thanks yet again.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
> Hi, Tim:
>
> Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled
> floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
> Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
>
> vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
>
> or perhaps:
>
> vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
>
> Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
>
> If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
>
> On Tue, 2
> Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
>
> > Hi and thanks.
> >
> > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a
> successful
> > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel
panic
> > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my
/boot/vmlinuz.old
> > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true
that
> we
> > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this
rate.
> >
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just
> fallen
> > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> > >
> > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
> >
> > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> > /etc/lilo.conf:
> >
> > boot=/dev/hda
> > map=/boot/map
> > install=/boot/boot.b
> > compact
> > prompt
> > timeout=500
> > message=/boot/message
> > lba32
> > default=current
> > serial=0,9600N8
> >
> > image=/boot/new
> > label = new
> > alias = n
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/current
> > label=current
> > alias = c
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/current
> > label=express
> > alias = x
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/current
> > label=litetalk
> > alias = l
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/current
> > label=bns
> > alias = b
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > image = /boot/previous
> > label=previous
> > alias = p
> > vga=0X317
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/hda1
> > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> >
> > other=/dev/hda3
> > optional
> > label=dos
> >
> > table = /dev/hda
> >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've
changed
> > > the subject line.
> > >
> > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> > >
> > > Here's what I do:
> > >
> > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new.
These
> > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo
and
> > > bios.
> > >
> > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> > >
> > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> > > into current.
> > >
> > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these
is
> a
> > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on
the
> > > append= line, of course.
> > >
> > > This has worked very well for me.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > > >
> > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new
> > kernel
> > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make
> another
> > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from
> your
> > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of
> the
> > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot
> back
> > by
> > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab
> key
> > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte
new
> > > > kernel and hit enter.
> > > >
> > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like
> the
> > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so
> > that
> > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name
> > mine
> > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music
for
> > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for
me
> to
> > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the
> problem.
> > > >
> > > > =======
> > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > >
> > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> > decisive."
> > > > - President George Bush
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Tim Burgess
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Tim Burgess
` Gregory Nowak
1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi, Tim:
Congrats on getting the linux box back!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware
> installation procedure and got access back right away.
Right on. That's exactly what it's for. I like to call it the "get out of
jail free disk."
<<<snip snip>>>
> 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a
> file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to
> aid my trouble-shooting?
We have a spaghetti sauce here in the States that has a commercial which
uses the phrase:
"It's already in there."
So, Tim, take a look at /var/log and have at all the logs you need.
They're already in there.
> 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful boot
> disk (or create a new one)?
>
Well, don't know about slackware, but on Redhat there's a script:
mkbootdisk
PS: I don't think you're a pain at all.
Janina
> Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I
> understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are
> starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to
> create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
> Absolutely, all the way around.
>
> Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous
> ftp at
> ftp://speakup.octothorp.org.
>
> Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a
> full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img
>
> This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will
> also need rawrite which is at:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe
>
> This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files.
>
> NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in
> order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to
> run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running
> in a DOS window in Windows.
>
> You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from
> rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what
> drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when
> ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the
> third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and
> wait for the floppy to stop spinning.
>
> Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet!
> <grin>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess
> wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> > Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
> >
> > Thanks yet again.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> > Hi, Tim:
> >
> > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled
> > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
> > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
> >
> > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
> >
> > or perhaps:
> >
> > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
> >
> > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
> >
> > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
> >
> > On Tue, 2
> > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> >
> > > Hi and thanks.
> > >
> > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a
> > successful
> > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel
> panic
> > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my
> /boot/vmlinuz.old
> > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true
> that
> > we
> > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this
> rate.
> > >
> > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just
> > fallen
> > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> > > >
> > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
> > >
> > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> > > /etc/lilo.conf:
> > >
> > > boot=/dev/hda
> > > map=/boot/map
> > > install=/boot/boot.b
> > > compact
> > > prompt
> > > timeout=500
> > > message=/boot/message
> > > lba32
> > > default=current
> > > serial=0,9600N8
> > >
> > > image=/boot/new
> > > label = new
> > > alias = n
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=current
> > > alias = c
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=express
> > > alias = x
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=litetalk
> > > alias = l
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=bns
> > > alias = b
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/previous
> > > label=previous
> > > alias = p
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > other=/dev/hda3
> > > optional
> > > label=dos
> > >
> > > table = /dev/hda
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've
> changed
> > > > the subject line.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> > > >
> > > > Here's what I do:
> > > >
> > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new.
> These
> > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo
> and
> > > > bios.
> > > >
> > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> > > >
> > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> > > > into current.
> > > >
> > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these
> is
> > a
> > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on
> the
> > > > append= line, of course.
> > > >
> > > > This has worked very well for me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > > > >
> > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new
> > > kernel
> > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make
> > another
> > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from
> > your
> > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of
> > the
> > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot
> > back
> > > by
> > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab
> > key
> > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte
> new
> > > > > kernel and hit enter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like
> > the
> > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so
> > > that
> > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name
> > > mine
> > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music
> for
> > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for
> me
> > to
> > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the
> > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > =======
> > > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > > >
> > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> > > decisive."
> > > > > - President George Bush
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Janina Sajka
` Tim Burgess
@ ` Gregory Nowak
1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I believe Tim asked for Slackware, not Redhat.
Greg
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:17:27PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Absolutely, all the way around.
>
> Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous ftp at
> speakup.octothorp.org.
>
> Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a
> full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img
>
> This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will
> also need rawrite which is at:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe
>
> This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files.
>
> NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in
> order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to
> run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running
> in a DOS window in Windows.
>
> You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from
> rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what
> drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when
> ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the
> third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and
> wait for the floppy to stop spinning.
>
> Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet!
> <grin>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess
> wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> > Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
> >
> > Thanks yet again.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> > Hi, Tim:
> >
> > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled
> > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
> > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
> >
> > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
> >
> > or perhaps:
> >
> > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
> >
> > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
> >
> > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
> >
> > On Tue, 2
> > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> >
> > > Hi and thanks.
> > >
> > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a
> > successful
> > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel panic
> > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my /boot/vmlinuz.old
> > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true that
> > we
> > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this rate.
> > >
> > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just
> > fallen
> > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> > > >
> > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
> > >
> > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> > > /etc/lilo.conf:
> > >
> > > boot=/dev/hda
> > > map=/boot/map
> > > install=/boot/boot.b
> > > compact
> > > prompt
> > > timeout=500
> > > message=/boot/message
> > > lba32
> > > default=current
> > > serial=0,9600N8
> > >
> > > image=/boot/new
> > > label = new
> > > alias = n
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=current
> > > alias = c
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=express
> > > alias = x
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=litetalk
> > > alias = l
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=bns
> > > alias = b
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/previous
> > > label=previous
> > > alias = p
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > other=/dev/hda3
> > > optional
> > > label=dos
> > >
> > > table = /dev/hda
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've changed
> > > > the subject line.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> > > >
> > > > Here's what I do:
> > > >
> > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new. These
> > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo and
> > > > bios.
> > > >
> > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> > > >
> > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> > > > into current.
> > > >
> > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these is
> > a
> > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on the
> > > > append= line, of course.
> > > >
> > > > This has worked very well for me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > > > >
> > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new
> > > kernel
> > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make
> > another
> > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from
> > your
> > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of
> > the
> > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot
> > back
> > > by
> > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab
> > key
> > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
> > > > > kernel and hit enter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like
> > the
> > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so
> > > that
> > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name
> > > mine
> > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
> > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me
> > to
> > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the
> > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > =======
> > > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > > >
> > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> > > decisive."
> > > > > - President George Bush
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Tim Burgess
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Gregory Nowak
` Tim Burgess
1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Updating/creating a boot disk with slackware is done
with the makebootdisk utility.
Greg
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:10:39PM +0100, Tim Burgess wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware
> installation procedure and got access back right away. I've restored my
> original 2.2.16 vmlinuz and System.map, so all I need to do now is generate
> a working 2.2.18 kernel. Since my last attempt compiled and then gave a
> kernel panic the following questions spring to mind:
>
> 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a
> file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to
> aid my trouble-shooting?
>
> 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful boot
> disk (or create a new one)?
>
> Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I
> understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are
> starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to
> create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
> Absolutely, all the way around.
>
> Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous
> ftp at
> ftp://speakup.octothorp.org.
>
> Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a
> full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img
>
> This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will
> also need rawrite which is at:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe
>
> This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files.
>
> NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in
> order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to
> run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running
> in a DOS window in Windows.
>
> You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from
> rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what
> drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when
> ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the
> third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and
> wait for the floppy to stop spinning.
>
> Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet!
> <grin>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess
> wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> > Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
> >
> > Thanks yet again.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> > Hi, Tim:
> >
> > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup enabled
> > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
> > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
> >
> > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
> >
> > or perhaps:
> >
> > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
> >
> > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
> >
> > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
> >
> > On Tue, 2
> > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> >
> > > Hi and thanks.
> > >
> > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a
> > successful
> > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel
> panic
> > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my
> /boot/vmlinuz.old
> > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true
> that
> > we
> > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this
> rate.
> > >
> > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing to
> > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just
> > fallen
> > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> > > >
> > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
> > >
> > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> > > /etc/lilo.conf:
> > >
> > > boot=/dev/hda
> > > map=/boot/map
> > > install=/boot/boot.b
> > > compact
> > > prompt
> > > timeout=500
> > > message=/boot/message
> > > lba32
> > > default=current
> > > serial=0,9600N8
> > >
> > > image=/boot/new
> > > label = new
> > > alias = n
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=current
> > > alias = c
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=express
> > > alias = x
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=litetalk
> > > alias = l
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=bns
> > > alias = b
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/previous
> > > label=previous
> > > alias = p
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > other=/dev/hda3
> > > optional
> > > label=dos
> > >
> > > table = /dev/hda
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've
> changed
> > > > the subject line.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> > > >
> > > > Here's what I do:
> > > >
> > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new.
> These
> > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the appropriate
> > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo
> and
> > > > bios.
> > > >
> > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> > > >
> > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new kernel
> > > > into current.
> > > >
> > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these
> is
> > a
> > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on
> the
> > > > append= line, of course.
> > > >
> > > > This has worked very well for me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working kernel,
> > > > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > > > >
> > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new
> > > kernel
> > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make
> > another
> > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from
> > your
> > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of
> > the
> > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot
> > back
> > > by
> > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab
> > key
> > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte
> new
> > > > > kernel and hit enter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like
> > the
> > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so
> > > that
> > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name
> > > mine
> > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music
> for
> > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for
> me
> > to
> > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
> > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the
> > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > =======
> > > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > > >
> > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> > > decisive."
> > > > > - President George Bush
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Gregory Nowak
@ ` Tim Burgess
0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Thanks Greg,
When I get a kernel worth the processing, I'll use the command!
Cheers.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: 03 October 2001 01:33
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: New Kernel Survival Strategies
Updating/creating a boot disk with slackware is done
with the makebootdisk utility.
Greg
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:10:39PM +0100, Tim Burgess wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware
> installation procedure and got access back right away. I've restored my
> original 2.2.16 vmlinuz and System.map, so all I need to do now is
generate
> a working 2.2.18 kernel. Since my last attempt compiled and then gave a
> kernel panic the following questions spring to mind:
>
> 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a
> file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to
> aid my trouble-shooting?
>
> 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful
boot
> disk (or create a new one)?
>
> Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I
> understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are
> starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to
> create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
> Absolutely, all the way around.
>
> Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous
> ftp at
> ftp://speakup.octothorp.org.
>
> Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a
> full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img
>
> This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will
> also need rawrite which is at:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe
>
> This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files.
>
> NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in
> order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to
> run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running
> in a DOS window in Windows.
>
> You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from
> rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what
> drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when
> ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the
> third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and
> wait for the floppy to stop spinning.
>
> Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet!
> <grin>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess
> wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> > Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
> >
> > Thanks yet again.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> > Hi, Tim:
> >
> > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup
enabled
> > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
> > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
> >
> > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
> >
> > or perhaps:
> >
> > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
> >
> > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
> >
> > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
> >
> > On Tue, 2
> > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> >
> > > Hi and thanks.
> > >
> > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a
> > successful
> > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel
> panic
> > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my
> /boot/vmlinuz.old
> > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true
> that
> > we
> > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this
> rate.
> > >
> > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing
to
> > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just
> > fallen
> > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> > > >
> > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
> > >
> > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> > > /etc/lilo.conf:
> > >
> > > boot=/dev/hda
> > > map=/boot/map
> > > install=/boot/boot.b
> > > compact
> > > prompt
> > > timeout=500
> > > message=/boot/message
> > > lba32
> > > default=current
> > > serial=0,9600N8
> > >
> > > image=/boot/new
> > > label = new
> > > alias = n
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=current
> > > alias = c
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=express
> > > alias = x
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=litetalk
> > > alias = l
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=bns
> > > alias = b
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/previous
> > > label=previous
> > > alias = p
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > other=/dev/hda3
> > > optional
> > > label=dos
> > >
> > > table = /dev/hda
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've
> changed
> > > > the subject line.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> > > >
> > > > Here's what I do:
> > > >
> > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new.
> These
> > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the
appropriate
> > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo
> and
> > > > bios.
> > > >
> > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> > > >
> > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new
kernel
> > > > into current.
> > > >
> > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these
> is
> > a
> > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on
> the
> > > > append= line, of course.
> > > >
> > > > This has worked very well for me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working
kernel,
> > > > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > > > >
> > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your
new
> > > kernel
> > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make
> > another
> > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything
from
> > your
> > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name
of
> > the
> > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot
> > back
> > > by
> > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the
tab
> > key
> > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte
> new
> > > > > kernel and hit enter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just
like
> > the
> > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it
so
> > > that
> > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I
name
> > > mine
> > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music
> for
> > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for
> me
> > to
> > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround.
If
> > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the
> > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > =======
> > > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > > >
> > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> > > decisive."
> > > > > - President George Bush
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Tim Burgess
0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Tim Burgess @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Thanks Gina,
I'm going for another attempt this morning - fingers crossed!
Thanks again.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 02 October 2001 22:28
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
Hi, Tim:
Congrats on getting the linux box back!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> I booted from the boot disk generated at the end of the Slackware
> installation procedure and got access back right away.
Right on. That's exactly what it's for. I like to call it the "get out of
jail free disk."
<<<snip snip>>>
> 1 - When I'm booting a new kernel, can I redirect the screen output to a
> file so that I can review the messages generated (including any panics) to
> aid my trouble-shooting?
We have a spaghetti sauce here in the States that has a commercial which
uses the phrase:
"It's already in there."
So, Tim, take a look at /var/log and have at all the logs you need.
They're already in there.
> 2 - Once I've got a good (booting) 2.2.18, how do I update my wonderful
boot
> disk (or create a new one)?
>
Well, don't know about slackware, but on Redhat there's a script:
mkbootdisk
PS: I don't think you're a pain at all.
Janina
> Sorry to be a pain, but I promise I'll keep plugging at it until I
> understand this stuff and then I'll take my turn at helping others who are
> starting out. I'm saving all of the messages and I'll be using them to
> create a guide for new blinux-types on my up-coming web site.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 02 October 2001 19:17
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
>
>
> Absolutely, all the way around.
>
> Bill's is an ftp site that you can access via anonymous
> ftp at
> ftp://speakup.octothorp.org.
>
> Once there, cd /pub/redhat and further as appropriate. There is indeed a
> full Redhat 7.1 installation set. The file you want, and it's path is:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/images/boot.img
>
> This is the image for the floppy. If you don't already have it, you will
> also need rawrite which is at:
>
> /pub/redhat-7.1/d1/dosimages/rawrite.exe
>
> This is a DOS executable for creating floppies from floppy image files.
>
> NOTE: You may need to kill your screen reader while running rawrite in
> order to avoid data corruption on the floppy. It may also be advisable to
> run from an actual DOS boot, or a shutdown to MS-DOS as opposed to running
> in a DOS window in Windows.
>
> You can safely run your screen reader while answering questions from
> rawrite. It will ask you what file you want to use for the image, what
> drive to write to, and a third question probably like "press enter when
> ready." I don't recall the exact sequence, but it's OK to wait until the
> third question to kill speech. That way, you need only press enter and
> wait for the floppy to stop spinning.
>
> Good luck, and stay in touch about this. We'll get you up in linux yet!
> <grin>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess
> wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Do you have the URL for Bill's site and does he have such disks for
> > Slackware (7.1 in my case)?
> >
> > Thanks yet again.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: 02 October 2001 18:18
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> >
> >
> > Hi, Tim:
> >
> > Best avenue back to your broken linux system may well be a speakup
enabled
> > floppy that can take you into rescue mode. You could do this with the
> > Redhat installation boot floppies on Bill's site, for example:
> >
> > vmlinuz -s speakup_synth=ltlk
> >
> > or perhaps:
> >
> > vmlinuz rescue speakup_synth=dectlk
> >
> > Obviously, you would specify the correct synth you have.
> >
> > If you can get the machine up this way, your lilo.conf can be fixed.
> >
> > On Tue, 2
> > Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> >
> > > Hi and thanks.
> > >
> > > I'll give it a study and try again - this time I got as far as a
> > successful
> > > compile based on 2.2.18 with SpeakUp 0.10a. However I got a kernel
> panic
> > > that's killed me and I don't know how to boot back to my
> /boot/vmlinuz.old
> > > as I messed up lilo.conf. Looks like another rebuild. If it's true
> that
> > we
> > > learn by our mistakes then I'm going to wind up a real guru at this
> rate.
> > >
> > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > Sent: 02 October 2001 16:49
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: RE: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Burgess wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. Would you be willing
to
> > > > provide your lilo.conf as a reference for us newbies who have just
> > fallen
> > > > foul of getting lilo.conf wrong?
> > > >
> > > No problem. Here it is. Beware, though, that your circumstances may be
> > > different, i.e. lba32, vga=, initrd's, and such things.
> > >
> > > The other important survival tool is a bootable floppy disk. Here's my
> > > /etc/lilo.conf:
> > >
> > > boot=/dev/hda
> > > map=/boot/map
> > > install=/boot/boot.b
> > > compact
> > > prompt
> > > timeout=500
> > > message=/boot/message
> > > lba32
> > > default=current
> > > serial=0,9600N8
> > >
> > > image=/boot/new
> > > label = new
> > > alias = n
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-new
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=current
> > > alias = c
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=express
> > > alias = x
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=dectlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=litetalk
> > > alias = l
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=ltlk hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/current
> > > label=bns
> > > alias = b
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "speakup_synth=bns hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > image = /boot/previous
> > > label=previous
> > > alias = p
> > > vga=0X317
> > > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-previous
> > > read-only
> > > root=/dev/hda1
> > > append = "hdc=ide-scsi hde=ide-scsi"
> > >
> > > other=/dev/hda3
> > > optional
> > > label=dos
> > >
> > > table = /dev/hda
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > > > Sent: 02 October 2001 14:53
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: New Kernel Survival Strategies
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, since we're on the subject of new kernel strategies, I've
> changed
> > > > the subject line.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I'd like to modestly offer my strategy.
> > > >
> > > > Here's what I do:
> > > >
> > > > I have three entries in my lilo.conf, previous, current, and new.
> These
> > > > are the image labels. In my /boot directory, I symlink the
appropriate
> > > > vmlinuz to previous and current. New is actually symlinked to
> > > > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, which does work with my lilo
> and
> > > > bios.
> > > >
> > > > Now, when I gen a new kernel, I have to actively select it during
> > > > boot--and I have to specify the speakup synth parm.
> > > >
> > > > Previous is there mainly in case I make a mistake copying a new
kernel
> > > > into current.
> > > >
> > > > PS: I use several synths on my laptop--including none. Each of these
> is
> > a
> > > > separate entry in lilo.conf pointing to current and differes only on
> the
> > > > append= line, of course.
> > > >
> > > > This has worked very well for me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > > > > I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels. The
> > > > > > main thing is to first do no harm. If you have a working
kernel,
> > > > > > by all means, save it. .....
> > > > >
> > > > > Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your
new
> > > kernel
> > > > > copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make
> > another
> > > > > entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything
from
> > your
> > > > > current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name
of
> > the
> > > > > kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot
> > back
> > > by
> > > > > simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the
tab
> > key
> > > > > right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte
> new
> > > > > kernel and hit enter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just
like
> > the
> > > > > one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it
so
> > > that
> > > > > anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I
name
> > > mine
> > > > > with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music
> for
> > > > > when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for
> me
> > to
> > > > > tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround.
If
> > > > > something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the
> > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > =======
> > > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > > >
> > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
> > > decisive."
> > > > > - President George Bush
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* RE: strange question
strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H
` Janina Sajka
` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
@ ` Amanda Lee
2 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
I likewise stand behind the Shareware programs that I am using.
you can try these for 30 days and I find them very accessible.
qvt/Term, the telnet client does also provide an earlier version of ssh
May have posted the incorrect url. It is:
http://www.qpc.com (go to the products link) and you can either download
or order two different products.
Amanda leeSoftware Engineer
Verizon Communications
Arlington, VA
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* Re: strange question
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Sean murphy
0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Sean murphy @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi.
I use Terra Term Pro with JFw and its SSH impleamentation. Terra Term Pro
doesn't use the last version of SSH.
Sean.----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: strange question
> Hi, Deedra:
>
> I have just send the speakup list a copy of my just concluded evaluation
> of ssh clients for Windows. Now, I want to answer your note more directly:
>
> Regretably, there seem to be no good Windows clients for remote console
> access over SSH. But, there are several excellent DOS command line
> clients. So, if the computer you will have access to can provide you
> access to DOS in a way that works for you, get the Win32 download from:
>
> http://www.ssh.com
>
> and install the command line functions and paths. The access you get
> should be excellent for simple command line tasks. Access to utilities
> like Pine may be more problematic, as there are cursor tracking issues
> involved. Maybe it will be OK. I did not test Pine.
>
> PS: In the course of looking around I installed the cygwin utilities.
> These are absolutely wonderful. They are also quite up to date. I now have
> a bash 2.05 and a lynx 2.8.4 with ssl support that run as PC Console
> applications under Windows. Very cool.
>
> PSS: Makes me think that trplayer may be portable to Win environments.
> On
> Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters
> wrote:
>
> > This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where
to
> > ask, but....
> >
> > I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access
to
> > is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
> > well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
> > if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
> > out on the list.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* RE: strange question
strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H
` Janina Sajka
@ ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
` Amanda Lee
2 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Hi, Cecil,
My workstation is a Toshiba Tecra 8200 laptop. I made a small
modification to the speakup keymap in order to make it easier on a laptop.
You can find everything you need for a full talking RedHat-7.1
installation at ftp://speakup.octothorp.org/pub/redhat-7.1. If you have
any questions, call or write. Calling will usually get a quicker
response.
HTH.
Bill in Denver
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* RE: strange question
strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H
@ ` Janina Sajka
` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
` Amanda Lee
2 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Hi, Cecil, and welcome to the speakup list. I think we can tell already
you'll be an asset here! <grin>
I would agree with you about the SSH clients available in Cygwin, but I
just don't know that it's all that valuable to install such a large
footprint for just a tiny component. And, once installed, it's still only
a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC
Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package
goes both ways--command line and gui.
As to compiling kernels, fear not. In fact, I think I can put you at ease
about kernels very easily. Are you aware that you can have several kernels
waiting at the ready when you boot? You can choose one one time, and a
different one another time.
So, the magic trick with kernels is to get one working more or less as you
need. Thereafter, as long as you take care not to trash that one, you can
simply add without penalty. It's really quite cool.
Also, another way to think of custom kernels is to see them as a
customized sports car. The stock distribution gives you a stock sedan.
When you customize, you get to tweak your performance. Also quite cool.
Again, welcome.
On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Whitley GS11
Cecil H wrote:
> Hi,
> I just joined the list today. In reviewing the last month I noticed this
> thread. I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution. It works
> well for me. I am running nt 4.0 with jaws.
> On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box
> running squid. It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy
> goes in the dustbin. I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't
> installed it yet. My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or
> laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning. Since I
> run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there,
> but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention
> pcmcia.
> Why redhat? That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you
> call in hardware issues.
> The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares! Okay, so that's
> a dos-ism..... I'll get over it. For ya'll whom are running redhat, is
> 2.4.3-12 advisable?
> Regards,
> Cecil
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
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* RE: strange question
@ Whitley GS11 Cecil H
` Janina Sajka
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Whitley GS11 Cecil H @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Hi,
I just joined the list today. In reviewing the last month I noticed this
thread. I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution. It works
well for me. I am running nt 4.0 with jaws.
On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box
running squid. It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy
goes in the dustbin. I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't
installed it yet. My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or
laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning. Since I
run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there,
but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention
pcmcia.
Why redhat? That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you
call in hardware issues.
The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares! Okay, so that's
a dos-ism..... I'll get over it. For ya'll whom are running redhat, is
2.4.3-12 advisable?
Regards,
Cecil
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* Re: strange question
Deedra Waters
` (4 preceding siblings ...)
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Sean murphy
5 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi, Deedra:
I have just send the speakup list a copy of my just concluded evaluation
of ssh clients for Windows. Now, I want to answer your note more directly:
Regretably, there seem to be no good Windows clients for remote console
access over SSH. But, there are several excellent DOS command line
clients. So, if the computer you will have access to can provide you
access to DOS in a way that works for you, get the Win32 download from:
http://www.ssh.com
and install the command line functions and paths. The access you get
should be excellent for simple command line tasks. Access to utilities
like Pine may be more problematic, as there are cursor tracking issues
involved. Maybe it will be OK. I did not test Pine.
PS: In the course of looking around I installed the cygwin utilities.
These are absolutely wonderful. They are also quite up to date. I now have
a bash 2.05 and a lynx 2.8.4 with ssl support that run as PC Console
applications under Windows. Very cool.
PSS: Makes me think that trplayer may be portable to Win environments.
On
Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters
wrote:
> This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
> ask, but....
>
> I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
> is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
> well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
> if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
> out on the list.
>
>
>
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From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi, Deedra:
I'm currently looking at several Windows SSH clients on behalf of ACB.
I'll advise here when I have a sense about their accessibility.
On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:
> This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
> ask, but....
>
> I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
> is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
> well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
> if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
> out on the list.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
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` (2 preceding siblings ...)
` Amanda Lee
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Janina Sajka
` Janina Sajka
5 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hmm, sorry, Amanda. She's accessing her home computer for mail.
You got caught by a very common kind of thing we see all the time on linux
lists. You're assuming the world defined in Windows terms. Please don't
take offense at my saying this, because it's not meant that way.
On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:
> This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
> ask, but....
>
> I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
> is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
> well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
> if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
> out on the list.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
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Deedra Waters
` Kirk Wood
` Amanda Lee
@ ` Amanda Lee
` Janina Sajka
` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Ooops, that wasn't intended for the list!
Amanda Lee
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` Kirk Wood
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` Amanda Lee
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From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi,
Go to
http://www.qps.com
Download the trial version of the QVT package/can't remember what the
whole thing is called.
However, there is a program in there called QVT Term I capitalized these
but don't think they actually are.
qvtterm is a much better telnet client that once you can establish a
connection via someone elses Internet Connection, you can just telnet to
your account by just typing:
c name of your provider
Then you just login as needed.
I use this at work to telnet out of our network and works great! You can
also save off the screen and do some cutting and pasting with it. There
is an upload and download feature which I haven't been able to use but may
be because of the network.
Otherwise, you can use the telnet client already available in Windows but
it's not the best.
BTW, I am a former Tampa resident. Still own a small home in Tampa and
sure want to go back. I moved to Alexandria, VA in 1989 for work.
Presently work for Verizon Communications so maybe can get a transfer
someday.
Good luck!
Amanda Lee
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@ ` Kirk Wood
` Amanda Lee
` (4 subsequent siblings)
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From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I would take it off list, but this is a question that has come up before
and thus it makes sense that others would want to know. Several people I
know use TeraTerm. I have friends who use this with Jaws, and with Window
Bridge. And it has SSH ability. I don't know where you get it, but perhaps
someone else will answer that question shortly.
=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
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From: Deedra Waters @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
ask, but....
I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
out on the list.
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