strange question

strange question

[Deedra Waters]

This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
ask, but....

I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
out on the list.

Re: strange question

[Kirk Wood]

I would take it off list, but this is a question that has come up before
and thus it makes sense that others would want to know. Several people I
know use TeraTerm. I have friends who use this with Jaws, and with Window
Bridge. And it has SSH ability. I don't know where you get it, but perhaps
someone else will answer that question shortly.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
	- President George Bush

Re: strange question

[Amanda Lee]

Hi,

Go to

http://www.qps.com

Download the trial version of the QVT package/can't remember what the
whole thing is called.

However, there is a program in there called QVT Term I capitalized these
but don't think they actually are.

qvtterm is a much better telnet client that once you can establish a
connection via someone elses Internet Connection, you can just telnet to
your account by just typing:

c name of your provider

Then you just login as needed.

I use this at work to telnet out of our network and works great!  You can
also save off the screen and do some cutting and pasting with it.  There
is an upload and download feature which I haven't been able to use but may
be because of the network.

Otherwise, you can use the telnet client already available in Windows but
it's not the best.

BTW, I am a former Tampa resident.  Still own a small home in Tampa and
sure want to go back.  I moved to Alexandria, VA in 1989 for work.
Presently work for Verizon Communications so maybe can get a transfer
someday.

Good luck!


 Amanda Lee

Re: strange question

[Amanda Lee]

Ooops, that wasn't intended for the list!

Amanda Lee

Re: strange question

[Janina Sajka]

Hmm, sorry, Amanda. She's accessing her home computer for mail.

You got caught by a very common kind of thing we see all the time on linux 
lists. You're assuming the world defined in Windows terms. Please don't 
take offense at my saying this, because it's not meant that way.


On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
> ask, but....
> 
> I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
> is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
> well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
> if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
> out on the list.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
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http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: strange question

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Deedra:

I'm currently looking at several Windows SSH clients on behalf of ACB. 
I'll advise here when I have a sense about their accessibility.


On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
> ask, but....
> 
> I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
> is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
> well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
> if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
> out on the list.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: strange question

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Deedra:

I have just send the speakup list a copy of my just concluded evaluation 
of ssh clients for Windows. Now, I want to answer your note more directly:

Regretably, there seem to be no good Windows clients for remote console 
access over SSH. But, there are several excellent DOS command line 
clients. So, if the computer you will have access to can provide you 
access to DOS in a way that works for you, get the Win32 download from:

	http://www.ssh.com

and install the command line functions and paths. The access you get 
should be excellent for simple command line tasks. Access to utilities 
like Pine may be more problematic, as there are cursor tracking issues 
involved. Maybe it will be OK. I did not test Pine.

PS: In the course of looking around I installed the cygwin utilities. 
These are absolutely wonderful. They are also quite up to date. I now have 
a bash 2.05 and a lynx 2.8.4 with ssl support that run as PC Console 
applications under Windows. Very cool.

PSS: Makes me think that trplayer may be portable to Win environments.
 On 
Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters 
wrote:

> This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where to
> ask, but....
> 
> I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access to
> is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
> well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
> if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
> out on the list.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: strange question

[Sean murphy]

Hi.

I use Terra Term Pro with JFw and its SSH impleamentation.  Terra Term Pro
doesn't use the last version of SSH.

Sean.----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: strange question


> Hi, Deedra:
>
> I have just send the speakup list a copy of my just concluded evaluation
> of ssh clients for Windows. Now, I want to answer your note more directly:
>
> Regretably, there seem to be no good Windows clients for remote console
> access over SSH. But, there are several excellent DOS command line
> clients. So, if the computer you will have access to can provide you
> access to DOS in a way that works for you, get the Win32 download from:
>
> http://www.ssh.com
>
> and install the command line functions and paths. The access you get
> should be excellent for simple command line tasks. Access to utilities
> like Pine may be more problematic, as there are cursor tracking issues
> involved. Maybe it will be OK. I did not test Pine.
>
> PS: In the course of looking around I installed the cygwin utilities.
> These are absolutely wonderful. They are also quite up to date. I now have
> a bash 2.05 and a lynx 2.8.4 with ssl support that run as PC Console
> applications under Windows. Very cool.
>
> PSS: Makes me think that trplayer may be portable to Win environments.
>  On
> Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters
> wrote:
>
> > This is probably the wrong list to ask this, and not really sure where
to
> > ask, but....
> >
> > I'm going out of town for a week and the only computer I'll have access
to
> > is a windows machine, does anyone know of an ssh client that would work
> > well with speech for windows so I can access my home computer?
> > if you do please write me off list so I don't end up dragging this topic
> > out on the list.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Help with url.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, list. Someone I know asked me where he can download Bill's Red Hat
distribution with speakup built in or the 2.4.3.12 kernel with Speakup, and
somehow I've lost the correct url. Can someone please give me the correct
site to download the files for my friend. Thanks.

Re: Help with url.

[Kirk Reiser]

I am not sure just how far through the process he is but, Bill has
been moving the redhat installation disks and all back over to
linux-speakup.org.  You should be able to get at least a portion of
the redhat stuff for 7.2 therefore from
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/linux/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

RE: strange question

[Amanda Lee]

I likewise stand behind the Shareware programs that I am using.

you can try these for 30 days and I find them very accessible.

qvt/Term, the telnet client does also provide an earlier version of ssh

May have posted the incorrect url.  It is:

http://www.qpc.com (go to the products link) and you can either download
or order two different products.

Amanda leeSoftware Engineer
Verizon Communications
Arlington, VA

Re: strange question

[Kirk Wood]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> 	I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels.  The
> main thing is to first do no harm.  If you have a working kernel,
> by all means, save it.  .....

Better yet, just leave it just as it is. After you compile your new kernel
copy/move it to the /boot directory (or partition) and then make another
entry in lilo.conf for the new kernel. You can copy everything from your
current (hopefully working) entry changing the label and the name of the
kernel itself. If this is the only modification, then you can boot back by
simply doing nothing. If you want to try the new kernel hit the tab key
right as the computer starts to boot. Then type the label for hte new
kernel and hit enter.

Things to avoid are believing you need to name your kernel just like the
one that is there (probably vmlinuz). This is great for making it so that
anyone can find it. But you can always refer to lilo as well. I name mine
with a combo of version info and other stuff (such as 2.2.17-music for
when I configured to use the also drivers). This makes it easy for me to
tell what was for what. I like to keep multiple kernels arround. If
something goes goofy in hardware one may be able to get by the problem.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
	- President George Bush

Re: strange question

[Shaun Oliver]

haveing said that however, it's still daunting for those who've never
configured and compiled a kernel before.
thing is though, you're right. once you've done it and you know enough
about your own system and what to configure for, it gets much easier as
you go on.
remember this though, it's all tryal and error.
more often than not you'll get more errors than you'd like but it's worth
the time u spend swearing and thinking about things. <grin>



-- 


Shaun

I never made a mistake in my life.
I thought I did once, but I was wrong.
                -- Lucy Van Pelt

email: shauno@goanna.net.au
icq: 76958435

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:

> 	I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels.  The
> main thing is to first do no harm.  If you have a working kernel,
> by all means, save it.  I am sure we have all had new kernels
> that just sat there doing nothing on boot because it either
> turned out that that kernel wasn't suitable for our system or
> that we made a terrible mistake in configuring it.
> 
> 	I once configured a new kernel for a Dell system that
> uses a SCSI bus for the hard drive.  I forgot about that because
> I also use a Dell system which is very similar to this one only
> with an IDE drive.  The result was a paper weight of a computer
> until I could boot an old kernel and get the system back to life
> again.
> 
> 	The biggest problem you will have in setting up kernels,
> at times, is finding out enough about your hardware to answer the
> questions properly.  If you do that, you've taken care of the
> worst part of the whole thing.
> 
> 	Right now, I have one kernel that boots perfectly on a
> Dell system, but which doesn't work quite right with sound, and
> another kernel which works better with sound, but which is
> obsolete.
> 
> 	That kind of thing is what you will often-times run in to
> in the kernel game.
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: strange question

[Martin G. McCormick]

	I second the advice to not fear configuring kernels.  The
main thing is to first do no harm.  If you have a working kernel,
by all means, save it.  I am sure we have all had new kernels
that just sat there doing nothing on boot because it either
turned out that that kernel wasn't suitable for our system or
that we made a terrible mistake in configuring it.

	I once configured a new kernel for a Dell system that
uses a SCSI bus for the hard drive.  I forgot about that because
I also use a Dell system which is very similar to this one only
with an IDE drive.  The result was a paper weight of a computer
until I could boot an old kernel and get the system back to life
again.

	The biggest problem you will have in setting up kernels,
at times, is finding out enough about your hardware to answer the
questions properly.  If you do that, you've taken care of the
worst part of the whole thing.

	Right now, I have one kernel that boots perfectly on a
Dell system, but which doesn't work quite right with sound, and
another kernel which works better with sound, but which is
obsolete.

	That kind of thing is what you will often-times run in to
in the kernel game.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group

RE: strange question

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

Hi, Cecil,

     My workstation is a Toshiba Tecra 8200 laptop.  I made a small 
modification to the speakup keymap in order to make it easier on a laptop.  
You can find everything you need for a full talking RedHat-7.1 
installation at ftp://speakup.octothorp.org/pub/redhat-7.1.  If you have 
any questions, call or write.  Calling will usually get a quicker 
response.



          HTH.
          Bill in Denver

RE: strange question

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Cecil, and welcome to the speakup list. I think we can tell already 
you'll be an asset here! <grin>

I would agree with you about the SSH clients available in Cygwin, but I 
just don't know that it's all that valuable to install such a large 
footprint for just a tiny component. And, once installed, it's still only 
a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC 
Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package 
goes both ways--command line and gui.

As to compiling kernels, fear not. In fact, I think I can put you at ease 
about kernels very easily. Are you aware that you can have several kernels 
waiting at the ready when you boot? You can choose one one time, and a 
different one another time.

So, the magic trick with kernels is to get one working more or less as you 
need. Thereafter, as long as you take care not to trash that one, you can 
simply add without penalty. It's really quite cool.

Also, another way to think of custom kernels is to see them as a 
customized sports car. The stock distribution gives you a stock sedan. 
When you customize, you get to tweak your performance. Also quite cool.

Again, welcome.

 On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Whitley GS11 
Cecil H wrote:

> Hi,
> I just joined the list today.  In reviewing the last month I noticed this
> thread.  I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution.  It works
> well for me.  I am running nt 4.0 with jaws.
> On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box
> running squid.  It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy
> goes in the dustbin.  I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't
> installed it yet.  My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or
> laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning.  Since I
> run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there,
> but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention
> pcmcia.
> Why redhat?  That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you
> call in hardware issues.
> The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares!  Okay, so that's
> a dos-ism.....   I'll get over it.  For ya'll whom are running redhat, is
> 2.4.3-12 advisable?  
> Regards,
> Cecil
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

RE: strange question

[Whitley GS11 Cecil H]

Hi,
I just joined the list today.  In reviewing the last month I noticed this
thread.  I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution.  It works
well for me.  I am running nt 4.0 with jaws.
On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box
running squid.  It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy
goes in the dustbin.  I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't
installed it yet.  My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or
laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning.  Since I
run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there,
but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention
pcmcia.
Why redhat?  That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you
call in hardware issues.
The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares!  Okay, so that's
a dos-ism.....   I'll get over it.  For ya'll whom are running redhat, is
2.4.3-12 advisable?  
Regards,
Cecil