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From: David Hoff Jr @ UTC (permalink / raw)
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I am new to Linux & Speakup. I'm confused about synthasizers. I do not
have an external synthasizer but I have purchased and installed Speakup
Modified Fedora 7 i386, but without specifying a speach synthasizer.
Is the synthasizer built into Fedora or do I have to get a third party
synthasizer?
David Hoff Jr
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread* Re: synthasizers synthasizers David Hoff Jr @ ` Gaijin ` synthasizers Janina Sajka [not found] ` <6B638DB18B0840BAA4330352EE7E3DF0@digitaldarragh.local> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Gaijin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 07:28:18AM -0700, David Hoff Jr wrote: > I am new to Linux & Speakup. I'm confused about synthasizers. I do not > have an external synthasizer but I have purchased and installed Speakup > Modified Fedora 7 i386, but without specifying a speach synthasizer. Hi David, The latest kernel/SpeakUP releases support software synthesizers with the appropriate services installed, but you won't get the full benefits of SpeakUP and a hardware synthesizer. SpeakUP is essentially designed to begin speaking as soon as the kernel is loaded, giving full startup to shutdown access to what is going on. Software synthesizers need to be loaded later in the boot process, and if something happens prior to speech startup, you're essentially S.O.L., unless you can telnet or ssh into your system remotely. Examine the docs on the installation CD for instructions on booting SpeakUP with a software synthesizer. You seem to have an earlier release, and I'm not sure software synthesis with SpeakUP is supported. Check in at" http://speakupmodified.org/ I'm really surprised you haven't received an answer on this yet from the Fedora folks I'm running Debian, myself, and know little about Fedora. HTH, Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: synthasizers synthasizers David Hoff Jr ` synthasizers Gaijin @ ` Janina Sajka ` synthasizers Hynek Hanke [not found] ` <6B638DB18B0840BAA4330352EE7E3DF0@digitaldarragh.local> 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You have two choices for software speech with Speakup: 1.) You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector driver to have software speech from Speakup. More details are on the TTSynth Home Page: http://TTSynth.Com This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there. 2.) You can use speech-dispatcher and speechd_up with two free voices and several for pay voices. The free voices are espeak and flite and are both available as rpms. More information on this approach at: http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd Janina David Hoff Jr writes: > I am new to Linux & Speakup. I'm confused about synthasizers. I do not > have an external synthasizer but I have purchased and installed Speakup > Modified Fedora 7 i386, but without specifying a speach synthasizer. > > Is the synthasizer built into Fedora or do I have to get a third party > synthasizer? > > David Hoff Jr > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: synthasizers ` synthasizers Janina Sajka @ ` Hynek Hanke ` synthasizers Stephen Clower ` synthasizers Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Hynek Hanke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Janina Sajka napsal(a): > You have two choices for software speech with Speakup: > 1.) You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector > This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there. > Is it? I thought there are problems with dependency on a very old version of libstdc++ and there is no 64bit version and no sourcecode so that one is able to fix the previous two. If there has been some progress on these issues lately, I'd be very happy to hear about them, as I'd need to install ttsynth myself to be able to improve the Speech Dispatcher output module. > 2.) You can use speech-dispatcher and speechd_up with two free > voices and several for pay voices. The free voices are espeak and flite > and are both available as rpms. More information on this approach at: > Well, Festival is the most important one and now includes support for several languages. I believe it is also available as rpm. With regards, Hynek Hanke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: synthasizers ` synthasizers Hynek Hanke @ ` Stephen Clower ` synthasizers Janina Sajka ` synthasizers Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Stephen Clower @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hynek Hanke wrote: > Janina Sajka napsal(a): >> You have two choices for software speech with Speakup: >> 1.) You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector >> This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there. >> > Is it? I thought there are problems with dependency > on a very old version of libstdc++ and there is no 64bit > version and no sourcecode so that one is able to fix > the previous two. If there has been some progress on these > issues lately, I'd be very happy to hear about them, as I'd > need to install ttsynth myself to be able to improve the > Speech Dispatcher output module. The synthesizer now works in newer Linux distros, though 64-bit support is still lacking. You can also get the same runtime for $5 from http://voxin.oralux.net. - Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: synthasizers ` synthasizers Stephen Clower @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Stephen Clower writes: > Hynek Hanke wrote: > > Janina Sajka napsal(a): > >> You have two choices for software speech with Speakup: > >> 1.) You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector > >> This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there. > >> > > Is it? I thought there are problems with dependency > > on a very old version of libstdc++ and there is no 64bit > > version and no sourcecode so that one is able to fix > > the previous two. If there has been some progress on these > > issues lately, I'd be very happy to hear about them, as I'd > > need to install ttsynth myself to be able to improve the > > Speech Dispatcher output module. > Hynek needs to tell us about ttsynth support in speech-dispatcher. I was speaking of the speakup-connector module, whose source code is on the ttsynth.com page. With the compat-libstdc++-296 installed, the speakup-connector runs fine on 64-bit. Perhaps the problem you had is building it on 64-bit? It does not build on 64-bit, but it does run there. Janina > The synthesizer now works in newer Linux distros, though 64-bit support is > still lacking. You can also get the same runtime for $5 from > http://voxin.oralux.net. > > - Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: synthasizers ` synthasizers Hynek Hanke ` synthasizers Stephen Clower @ ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hynek Hanke writes: > Janina Sajka napsal(a): >> You have two choices for software speech with Speakup: >> 1.) You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector >> This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there. >> > Is it? I thought there are problems with dependency Not a problem on Fedora, Hynek. The compatibility library remains available and it works. The fact that the tts engine is only 32-bit is also not an issue on 64-bit systems. I'm happily running TTSynth with the speakup-connector on both 32-bit and 64-bit machines. Janina > on a very old version of libstdc++ and there is no 64bit > version and no sourcecode so that one is able to fix > the previous two. If there has been some progress on these > issues lately, I'd be very happy to hear about them, as I'd > need to install ttsynth myself to be able to improve the > Speech Dispatcher output module. >> 2.) You can use speech-dispatcher and speechd_up with two free >> voices and several for pay voices. The free voices are espeak and flite >> and are both available as rpms. More information on this approach at: >> > Well, Festival is the most important one and now includes > support for several languages. I believe it is also available > as rpm. > > With regards, > Hynek Hanke > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Do Speakup and Orca play together nicely now? [not found] ` <6B638DB18B0840BAA4330352EE7E3DF0@digitaldarragh.local> @ ` Darragh ` Gregory Nowak ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 477 bytes --] Greetings all, I'm thinking of doing some work with Fedora 9. It's downloading at the moment so.... who knows. My only question for the moment is, when I used V7 with the excelent TTSynth synthesizer for both Speakup and Orca, there were a few problems. Pluss, Speakup didn't let go of the num pad when in Gnome so that caused all sorts of work arounds and problems. Is this still the case in version 9? Thanks Darragh Ó Héiligh www.digitaldarragh.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Do Speakup and Orca play together nicely now? ` Do Speakup and Orca play together nicely now? Darragh @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 03:17:38PM +0100, Darragh wrote: > My only question for the moment is, when I used V7 with the excelent TTSynth synthesizer for both Speakup and Orca, there were a few problems. Pluss, Speakup didn't let go of the num pad when in Gnome so that caused all sorts of work arounds and problems. > > Is this still the case in version 9? > Kirk has stated here previously that speakup 3.0.2 knows now when it's in a GUI console, and goes to sleep, or something of that sort. Speakup and orca are both playing nice on my debian testing system. I can't speak to fedora, but from what I've read in posts to this list, it seems to include speakup from git, so the answer to your question based on my experiences in debian should be yes. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFILHHK7s9z/XlyUyARAhvyAJ9XKT60QrO6Z4tUogLzwAeVSLabPQCfQI9l JcwZEYLL13JJjCpsmqLForc= =DBF6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Do Speakup and Orca play together nicely now? ` Do Speakup and Orca play together nicely now? Darragh ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Darragh: Speakup is doing much better these days vis a vis Orca. It will get out of the way on its own in your gui console. The issues of sharing tts between the two are a somewhat different story. I believe it's only currently possible to do that with speech-dispatcher and speechd_up. I have no direct knowledge of how well that might work. My current solution is TTSynth with its speakup-connector for Speakup, and Espeak with gnome-speech for Orca. That is working well over a single audio device, and I'm also able to play most sounds via that same device--but there's a rub there, so read on. 1.) In order to allow my ordinary user access to audio devices while running TTSynth, I loginto one console and start a longish aplay. The important thing is that my ordinary user own the audio device--therefore the long aplay--while the connector is start. Hokey, bit it workss. The real solution is buried somewhere in pam.d, we think. If I do the above, I continue able to play audio via the default alsa device. Audio on the gui is a bit different. Some system sounds, such as the new gdm-2.22 playing of /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav invariably come over one of my other devices. I suspect if those devices were not present, I simply wouldn't hear the gdm play output. Similarly, my Gnome system sounds are coming from a nondefault device. But, espeak over gnome-speech-espeak is on the default device, as is ttsynth in the console. Note also that issues around pulseaudio remain unresolved. Our advice, on the Speakup Modified Home Page, stands for now. Dump pluseaudio until we learn how to get more control, and especially how to have audio in console only sessions. hth Janina Darragh writes: > Greetings all, > > I'm thinking of doing some work with Fedora 9. It's downloading at the moment so.... who knows. > > My only question for the moment is, when I used V7 with the excelent TTSynth synthesizer for both Speakup and Orca, there were a few problems. Pluss, Speakup didn't let go of the num pad when in Gnome so that caused all sorts of work arounds and problems. > > Is this still the case in version 9? > > Thanks > > > Darragh Ó Héiligh > www.digitaldarragh.com > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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