synthasizers

synthasizers

[David Hoff Jr]

I am new to Linux & Speakup.  I'm confused about synthasizers.  I do not 
have an external synthasizer but I have purchased and installed Speakup 
Modified Fedora 7 i386, but without specifying a speach synthasizer.

Is the synthasizer built into Fedora or do I have to get a third party 
synthasizer?

David Hoff Jr 

Re: synthasizers

[Gaijin]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 07:28:18AM -0700, David Hoff Jr wrote:
> I am new to Linux & Speakup.  I'm confused about synthasizers.  I do not 
> have an external synthasizer but I have purchased and installed Speakup 
> Modified Fedora 7 i386, but without specifying a speach synthasizer.

	Hi David,

	The latest kernel/SpeakUP releases support software synthesizers
with the appropriate services installed, but you won't get the full
benefits of SpeakUP and a hardware synthesizer.  SpeakUP is essentially
designed to begin speaking as soon as the kernel is loaded, giving full
startup to shutdown access to what is going on.  Software synthesizers
need to be loaded later in the boot process, and if something happens
prior to speech startup, you're essentially S.O.L., unless you can
telnet or ssh into your system remotely.  Examine the docs on the
installation CD for instructions on booting SpeakUP with a software
synthesizer.  You seem to have an earlier release, and I'm not sure
software synthesis with SpeakUP is supported.  Check in at"

	http://speakupmodified.org/
																			
	I'm really surprised you haven't received an answer on this yet
from the Fedora folks  I'm running Debian, myself, and know little about
Fedora.  HTH,

			Michael

Re: synthasizers

[Janina Sajka]

You have two choices for software speech with Speakup:

1.)	You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector
driver to have software speech from Speakup. More details are on the
TTSynth Home Page:

	http://TTSynth.Com

	This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there.

2.)	You can use speech-dispatcher and speechd_up with two free
voices and several for pay voices. The free voices are espeak and flite
and are both available as rpms. More information on this approach at:

http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd

Janina

David Hoff Jr writes:
> I am new to Linux & Speakup.  I'm confused about synthasizers.  I do not 
> have an external synthasizer but I have purchased and installed Speakup 
> Modified Fedora 7 i386, but without specifying a speach synthasizer.
> 
> Is the synthasizer built into Fedora or do I have to get a third party 
> synthasizer?
> 
> David Hoff Jr 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: synthasizers

[Hynek Hanke]

Janina Sajka napsal(a):
> You have two choices for software speech with Speakup:
> 1.)	You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector
> 	This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there.
>   
Is it? I thought there are problems with dependency
on a very old version of libstdc++ and there is no 64bit
version and no sourcecode so that one is able to fix
the previous two. If there has been some progress on these
issues lately, I'd be very happy to hear about them, as I'd
need to install ttsynth myself to be able to improve the
Speech Dispatcher output module.
> 2.)	You can use speech-dispatcher and speechd_up with two free
> voices and several for pay voices. The free voices are espeak and flite
> and are both available as rpms. More information on this approach at:
>   
Well, Festival is the most important one and now includes
support for several languages.  I believe it is also available
as rpm.

With regards,
Hynek Hanke

Re: synthasizers

[Stephen Clower]

Hynek Hanke wrote:
> Janina Sajka napsal(a):
>> You have two choices for software speech with Speakup:
>> 1.)	You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector
>> 	This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there.
>>
> Is it? I thought there are problems with dependency
> on a very old version of libstdc++ and there is no 64bit
> version and no sourcecode so that one is able to fix
> the previous two. If there has been some progress on these
> issues lately, I'd be very happy to hear about them, as I'd
> need to install ttsynth myself to be able to improve the
> Speech Dispatcher output module.

The synthesizer now works in newer Linux distros, though 64-bit support is
still lacking. You can also get the same runtime for $5  from
http://voxin.oralux.net.

- Steve

Re: synthasizers

[Janina Sajka]

Stephen Clower writes:
> Hynek Hanke wrote:
> > Janina Sajka napsal(a):
> >> You have two choices for software speech with Speakup:
> >> 1.)	You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector
> >> 	This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there.
> >>
> > Is it? I thought there are problems with dependency
> > on a very old version of libstdc++ and there is no 64bit
> > version and no sourcecode so that one is able to fix
> > the previous two. If there has been some progress on these
> > issues lately, I'd be very happy to hear about them, as I'd
> > need to install ttsynth myself to be able to improve the
> > Speech Dispatcher output module.
> 
Hynek needs to tell us about ttsynth support in speech-dispatcher. I
was speaking of the speakup-connector module, whose source code is on
the ttsynth.com page. With the compat-libstdc++-296 installed, the
speakup-connector runs fine on 64-bit. Perhaps the problem you had is
building it on 64-bit? It does not build on 64-bit, but it does run
there.

Janina

> The synthesizer now works in newer Linux distros, though 64-bit support is
> still lacking. You can also get the same runtime for $5  from
> http://voxin.oralux.net.
> 
> - Steve
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: synthasizers

[Janina Sajka]

Hynek Hanke writes:
> Janina Sajka napsal(a):
>> You have two choices for software speech with Speakup:
>> 1.)	You can buy TTSynth for $40 U.S. and build its speakup-connector
>> 	This is probably the easiest way to get from here to there.
>>   
> Is it? I thought there are problems with dependency

Not a problem on Fedora, Hynek. The compatibility library remains
available and it works. The fact that the tts engine is only 32-bit is
also not an issue on 64-bit systems. I'm happily running TTSynth with
the speakup-connector on both 32-bit and 64-bit machines.

Janina


> on a very old version of libstdc++ and there is no 64bit
> version and no sourcecode so that one is able to fix
> the previous two. If there has been some progress on these
> issues lately, I'd be very happy to hear about them, as I'd
> need to install ttsynth myself to be able to improve the
> Speech Dispatcher output module.
>> 2.)	You can use speech-dispatcher and speechd_up with two free
>> voices and several for pay voices. The free voices are espeak and flite
>> and are both available as rpms. More information on this approach at:
>>   
> Well, Festival is the most important one and now includes
> support for several languages.  I believe it is also available
> as rpm.
>
> With regards,
> Hynek Hanke
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Do Speakup and Orca play together nicely now?

[Darragh]

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Greetings all, 

I'm thinking of doing some work with Fedora 9.  It's downloading at the moment so.... who knows. 

My only question for the moment is, when I used V7 with the excelent TTSynth synthesizer for both Speakup and Orca, there were a few problems.  Pluss, Speakup didn't let go of the num pad when in Gnome so that caused all sorts of work arounds and problems. 

Is this still the case in version 9? 

Thanks


Darragh Ó Héiligh
www.digitaldarragh.com

Re: Do Speakup and Orca play together nicely now?

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 03:17:38PM +0100, Darragh wrote:
> My only question for the moment is, when I used V7 with the excelent TTSynth synthesizer for both Speakup and Orca, there were a few problems.  Pluss, Speakup didn't let go of the num pad when in Gnome so that caused all sorts of work arounds and problems. 
> 
> Is this still the case in version 9? 
> 

Kirk has stated here previously that speakup 3.0.2 knows now when it's
in a GUI console, and goes to sleep, or something of that
sort. Speakup and orca are both playing nice on my debian testing
system. I can't speak to fedora, but from what I've read in posts to
this list, it seems to include speakup from git, so the answer to your
question based on my experiences in debian should be yes.

Greg


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Re: Do Speakup and Orca play together nicely now?

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Darragh:

Speakup is doing much better these days vis a vis Orca. It will get out
of the way on its own in your gui console.

The issues of sharing tts between the two are a somewhat different
story. I believe it's only currently possible to do that with
speech-dispatcher and speechd_up. I have no direct knowledge of how well
that might work.

My current solution is TTSynth with its speakup-connector for Speakup,
and Espeak with gnome-speech for Orca. That is working well over a
single audio device, and I'm also able to play most sounds via that same
device--but there's a rub there, so read on.

1.)	In order to allow my ordinary user access to audio devices while
running TTSynth, I loginto one console and start a longish aplay. The
important thing is that my ordinary user own the audio device--therefore
the long aplay--while the connector is start. Hokey, bit it workss. The
real solution is buried somewhere in pam.d, we think.

If I do the above, I continue able to play audio via the default alsa
device. Audio on the gui is a bit different. Some system sounds, such as
the new gdm-2.22 playing of /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav invariably
come over one of my other devices. I suspect if those devices were not
present, I simply wouldn't hear the gdm play output. Similarly, my Gnome
system sounds are coming from a nondefault device. But, espeak over
gnome-speech-espeak is on the default device, as is ttsynth in the
console.

Note also that issues around pulseaudio remain unresolved. Our advice,
on the Speakup Modified Home Page, stands for now. Dump pluseaudio until
we learn how to get more control, and especially how to have audio in
console only sessions.

hth

Janina

Darragh writes:
> Greetings all, 
> 
> I'm thinking of doing some work with Fedora 9.  It's downloading at the moment so.... who knows. 
> 
> My only question for the moment is, when I used V7 with the excelent TTSynth synthesizer for both Speakup and Orca, there were a few problems.  Pluss, Speakup didn't let go of the num pad when in Gnome so that caused all sorts of work arounds and problems. 
> 
> Is this still the case in version 9? 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Darragh Ó Héiligh
> www.digitaldarragh.com

> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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re: synthasizers

[Tyler Spivey]

echo synthasizers.. that would be neat .. that things about 20 years old.. one at school on an apple.
i can set the pitch/rate, and my teachers are amazed.
(c-e c) teacher:
how'd you do that?
lol.

synthasizers

[Tyler Spivey]

anyone have any synthasizers they could give me? i'm very poor. i hate this serial terminal.
i have a dectalk pc and i want to do something with it. its on an old computer.
i've tried to make a comm program capture to it.. works but it wont shut up.. that was the speakup wierdness thread.
i need a dos prograqm that can send stuff from com2 to com3..
whatever goes in comes out. type/copy won't work. it hangs or stops for some reason.
and qb sxays device busy. thanks, stupid microsoft.