creating a speakup cli cd

creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

Hi,

 

I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that will boot to the console.

 

The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, espeakup and brltty for accessibility.

Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to activate Speakup at start?

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Rob Hudson]

If you get this working, I'd love to have it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: creating a speakup cli cd


> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that will 
> boot to the console.
>
>
>
> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, espeakup 
> and brltty for accessibility.
>
> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to 
> activate Speakup at start?
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Peter]

Hi,
Few years ago i had a rip (recoveery is possible) distro with yasr. It
is a cool distro because it contains many recovery tools. I was too lazy
to update it so i have actually very old release (may be 3 years old)
which does not work on new hardware. If you really want to make talking
distro, then what about distro like rip or something similar? I am
thinking about working on it, because i am actually admin again as i was
few years ago, and talking distro like rip is very usefull if you have
to recover data from crashed windows computers, change forgotten
passwords in windows and so.
I can provide my old release, but as i said, it is really old.
With best
Peter


Dňa 5. 2. 2013 20:02 Rob Hudson  wrote / napísal(a):
> If you get this working, I'd love to have it.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:55 PM
> Subject: creating a speakup cli cd
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that
>> will boot to the console.
>>
>>
>>
>> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup,
>> espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>>
>> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to
>> activate Speakup at start?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

Peter,

I would like to create exactly this kind of cd but include some other cyber security tools as well, so if you can provide me a list of applications to include, I would be happy to add them to the list.

I agree that this kind of cd is imperative to a system administrator, or simply for anyone who needs to do his own system maintenance/recovery.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter [mailto:lecky_lists@nextra.sk] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

Hi,
Few years ago i had a rip (recoveery is possible) distro with yasr. It is a cool distro because it contains many recovery tools. I was too lazy to update it so i have actually very old release (may be 3 years old) which does not work on new hardware. If you really want to make talking distro, then what about distro like rip or something similar? I am thinking about working on it, because i am actually admin again as i was few years ago, and talking distro like rip is very usefull if you have to recover data from crashed windows computers, change forgotten passwords in windows and so.
I can provide my old release, but as i said, it is really old.
With best
Peter


Dňa 5. 2. 2013 20:02 Rob Hudson  wrote / napísal(a):
> If you get this working, I'd love to have it.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Raikes" 
> <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:55 PM
> Subject: creating a speakup cli cd
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that 
>> will boot to the console.
>>
>>
>>
>> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, 
>> espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>>
>> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to 
>> activate Speakup at start?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@linux-speakup.org
http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Kirk Reiser]

I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the
grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know.  They are
designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six
systems I've set-up with it.  I'm not quite sure what you could
provide that isn't already part of grml.  They have always been
accessibility friendly, right from their inception.

I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you
redesign a wheel.  You could even get involved with helping them if
you find them useful.

Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft
after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished
booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output.  Very
simple.  I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty.  Maybe even
easier.


On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, Don Raikes wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that will boot to the console.
>
>
>
> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>
> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to activate Speakup at start?
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Well that's it then, colour me gone!

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[John G. Heim]

I use grml for this. See www.grml.org.  I wrote a wiki entry  on using 
the accessibility features of grml on the wiki of the International 
Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. The page is here:
http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml

Grml has some access issues. It's not perfect. However, if I were to 
build my own rescue disk, I'd start with grml. They encourage people to 
build their own disks and include a tool for doing that.  I think the 
tool is called grml-live or something like that. You can google that. 
But in my job as the manager of the high performance clusters at the 
University of Wisconsin Math department, I always just use generic grml. 
I have not found it necessary to modify it.








On 2/5/2013 2:55 PM, Don Raikes wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I would like to create exactly this kind of cd but include some other cyber security tools as well, so if you can provide me a list of applications to include, I would be happy to add them to the list.
>
> I agree that this kind of cd is imperative to a system administrator, or simply for anyone who needs to do his own system maintenance/recovery.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter [mailto:lecky_lists@nextra.sk]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:46 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>
> Hi,
> Few years ago i had a rip (recoveery is possible) distro with yasr. It is a cool distro because it contains many recovery tools. I was too lazy to update it so i have actually very old release (may be 3 years old) which does not work on new hardware. If you really want to make talking distro, then what about distro like rip or something similar? I am thinking about working on it, because i am actually admin again as i was few years ago, and talking distro like rip is very usefull if you have to recover data from crashed windows computers, change forgotten passwords in windows and so.
> I can provide my old release, but as i said, it is really old.
> With best
> Peter
>
>
> Dňa 5. 2. 2013 20:02 Rob Hudson  wrote / napísal(a):
>> If you get this working, I'd love to have it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Raikes"
>> <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:55 PM
>> Subject: creating a speakup cli cd
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that
>>> will boot to the console.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup,
>>> espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>>>
>>> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to
>>> activate Speakup at start?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

Thanks I will give it a try.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Reiser [mailto:kirk@reisers.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 2:12 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know.  They are designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six systems I've set-up with it.  I'm not quite sure what you could provide that isn't already part of grml.  They have always been accessibility friendly, right from their inception.

I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you redesign a wheel.  You could even get involved with helping them if you find them useful.

Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output.  Very simple.  I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty.  Maybe even easier.


On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, Don Raikes wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that will boot to the console.
>
>
>
> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>
> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to activate Speakup at start?
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

--
Well that's it then, colour me gone!
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
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http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Marcel Oats]

Hi John and others, I believe this could be slightly dated, do you still 
have to do a modprobe speakup_soft, followed by running espeakup to start 
software speech in the latest grml?

Yes there are a few problems still.

Marcel


-----Original Message----- 
From: John G. Heim
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:16 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

I use grml for this. See www.grml.org.  I wrote a wiki entry  on using
the accessibility features of grml on the wiki of the International
Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. The page is here:
http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml

Grml has some access issues. It's not perfect. However, if I were to
build my own rescue disk, I'd start with grml. They encourage people to
build their own disks and include a tool for doing that.  I think the
tool is called grml-live or something like that. You can google that.
But in my job as the manager of the high performance clusters at the
University of Wisconsin Math department, I always just use generic grml.
I have not found it necessary to modify it.

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Jason White]

Don Raikes  <speakup@linux-speakup.org> wrote:
>I would like to create exactly this kind of cd but include some other cyber security tools as well, so if you can provide me a list of applications to include, I would be happy to add them to the list.
>
>I agree that this kind of cd is imperative to a system administrator, or simply for anyone who needs to do his own system maintenance/recovery.

You could contact the Grml maintainers and offer to improve their
accessibility support. They provide BRLTTY and Speakup already but, as I
recall, they were looking for someone to help maintain and improve it as they
didn't have the resources to work on it themselves. I don't know whether this
situation has changed. Visit grml.org if interested.

Re: how do I unsubscribe from the speakup mailing list?

[Hank & Patty]

Hello,

I would like to unsubscribe from the speakup mailing list. Do you maybe know 
how I can unsubscribe from this list? Any help that you can maybe give with 
this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.



All the best,

Hank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd


> Hi John and others, I believe this could be slightly dated, do you still 
> have to do a modprobe speakup_soft, followed by running espeakup to start 
> software speech in the latest grml?
>
> Yes there are a few problems still.
>
> Marcel
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: John G. Heim
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:16 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>
> I use grml for this. See www.grml.org.  I wrote a wiki entry  on using
> the accessibility features of grml on the wiki of the International
> Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. The page is here:
> http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml
>
> Grml has some access issues. It's not perfect. However, if I were to
> build my own rescue disk, I'd start with grml. They encourage people to
> build their own disks and include a tool for doing that.  I think the
> tool is called grml-live or something like that. You can google that.
> But in my job as the manager of the high performance clusters at the
> University of Wisconsin Math department, I always just use generic grml.
> I have not found it necessary to modify it.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: how do I unsubscribe from the speakup mailing list?

[Littlefield, Tyler]

Please don't jack threads on lists.
Also, you can go to:
http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
and you can do it from there.
HTH,
On 2/5/2013 9:39 PM, Hank & Patty wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to unsubscribe from the speakup mailing list. Do you 
> maybe know how I can unsubscribe from this list? Any help that you can 
> maybe give with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Hank
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>
>
>> Hi John and others, I believe this could be slightly dated, do you 
>> still have to do a modprobe speakup_soft, followed by running 
>> espeakup to start software speech in the latest grml?
>>
>> Yes there are a few problems still.
>>
>> Marcel
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: John G. Heim
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:16 AM
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>>
>> I use grml for this. See www.grml.org.  I wrote a wiki entry  on using
>> the accessibility features of grml on the wiki of the International
>> Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. The page is here:
>> http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml
>>
>> Grml has some access issues. It's not perfect. However, if I were to
>> build my own rescue disk, I'd start with grml. They encourage people to
>> build their own disks and include a tool for doing that.  I think the
>> tool is called grml-live or something like that. You can google that.
>> But in my job as the manager of the high performance clusters at the
>> University of Wisconsin Math department, I always just use generic grml.
>> I have not found it necessary to modify it.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Willem van der Walt]

I use Vinux for this.
It comes up talking if one is lucky.
Regards, Willem


On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, John G. Heim wrote:

> I use grml for this. See www.grml.org.  I wrote a wiki entry  on using 
> the accessibility features of grml on the wiki of the International 
> Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. The page is here:
> http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml
>
> Grml has some access issues. It's not perfect. However, if I were to 
> build my own rescue disk, I'd start with grml. They encourage people to 
> build their own disks and include a tool for doing that.  I think the 
> tool is called grml-live or something like that. You can google that. 
> But in my job as the manager of the high performance clusters at the 
> University of Wisconsin Math department, I always just use generic grml. 
> I have not found it necessary to modify it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/5/2013 2:55 PM, Don Raikes wrote:
>> Peter,
>>
>> I would like to create exactly this kind of cd but include some other cyber 
> security tools as well, so if you can provide me a list of applications to 
> include, I would be happy to add them to the list.
>>
>> I agree that this kind of cd is imperative to a system administrator, or 
> simply for anyone who needs to do his own system maintenance/recovery.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter [mailto:lecky_lists@nextra.sk]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:46 PM
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>>
>> Hi,
>> Few years ago i had a rip (recoveery is possible) distro with yasr. It is a 
> cool distro because it contains many recovery tools. I was too lazy to update 
> it so i have actually very old release (may be 3 years old) which does not 
> work on new hardware. If you really want to make talking distro, then what 
> about distro like rip or something similar? I am thinking about working on 
> it, because i am actually admin again as i was few years ago, and talking 
> distro like rip is very usefull if you have to recover data from crashed 
> windows computers, change forgotten passwords in windows and so.
>> I can provide my old release, but as i said, it is really old.
>> With best
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> Dňa 5. 2. 2013 20:02 Rob Hudson  wrote / napísal(a):
>>> If you get this working, I'd love to have it.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Raikes"
>>> <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:55 PM
>>> Subject: creating a speakup cli cd
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that
>>>> will boot to the console.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup,
>>>> espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>>>>
>>>> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to
>>>> activate Speakup at start?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Tony Baechler]

Before you do that, look at Vinux.  It's already based on Ubuntu and 
includes Speakup, but it isn't specifically command line.  It also includes 
Gnome and Orca.  I didn't recommend it to you previously because it seemed 
to crash a lot in my tests, but that was quite a while ago.  Even if you go 
ahead and build your own CD from scratch, Vinux has done a lot of the basic 
steps for you.  To me, it doesn't make much sense to reinvent the wheel.  I 
personally would rather see efforts focused on the Debian live CD since the 
kernel already has Speakup included and it's just a matter of starting 
software speech at boot.  I did some initial experiments in this regard and 
it looked like it wouldn't take more than a few hours, but I admit that I 
don't know anything about how the boot loader works.  There are already 
packages to create a plain vanilla Debian live CD on your own system, so it 
should just be a matter of adding the espeakup, espeak and speakup-tools 
packages and making sure the startup scripts work.  I might give this 
another go in a couple of weeks if no one beats me to it.

On 2/5/2013 10:55 AM, Don Raikes wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that will boot to the console.
>
>
>
> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>
> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to activate Speakup at start?
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Have a good day,
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tony@baechler.net

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Tony Baechler]

I had to give up on GRML.  First, it installs a ton of extra packages that 
are unnecessary, but that's a different issue.  The two recent releases I've 
tried did not come up talking and I couldn't get Speakup to start by hand. 
I ended up throwing away two different CDs because I couldn't get them to 
work.  I'm sorry, but I can no longer recommend it.  You can do pretty much 
the same thing with the Debian Squeeze live CD if you have hardware speech. 
  If you have software speech, it only takes one command to install espeakup 
by hand.  As mentioned in my previous mail, it looks very easy to create a 
custom live CD with the Speakup packages already included which would come 
up talking.  It already includes a number of rescue tools and it's easy to 
add more.

On 2/5/2013 1:11 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the
> grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know. They are
> designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six
> systems I've set-up with it. I'm not quite sure what you could
> provide that isn't already part of grml. They have always been
> accessibility friendly, right from their inception.
>
> I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you
> redesign a wheel. You could even get involved with helping them if
> you find them useful.
>
> Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft
> after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished
> booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output. Very
> simple. I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty. Maybe even
> easier.

RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

I am certainly open to looking at both ubuntu and debian as the base systems.

The problem with ubuntu and vinux is that the latest versions of ubuntu starting with precise utilize the unity desktop and that is a real accessibility nightmare.  I know there is a way to use the gnome-classic desktop but that seems a bit flaky to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Baechler [mailto:tony@baechler.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:00 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

Before you do that, look at Vinux.  It's already based on Ubuntu and includes Speakup, but it isn't specifically command line.  It also includes Gnome and Orca.  I didn't recommend it to you previously because it seemed to crash a lot in my tests, but that was quite a while ago.  Even if you go ahead and build your own CD from scratch, Vinux has done a lot of the basic steps for you.  To me, it doesn't make much sense to reinvent the wheel.  I personally would rather see efforts focused on the Debian live CD since the kernel already has Speakup included and it's just a matter of starting software speech at boot.  I did some initial experiments in this regard and it looked like it wouldn't take more than a few hours, but I admit that I don't know anything about how the boot loader works.  There are already packages to create a plain vanilla Debian live CD on your own system, so it should just be a matter of adding the espeakup, espeak and speakup-tools packages and making sure the startup scripts work.  I might give this another go in a couple of weeks if no one beats me to it.

On 2/5/2013 10:55 AM, Don Raikes wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that will boot to the console.
>
>
>
> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>
> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to activate Speakup at start?
> _______________________________________________
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> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Willem van der Walt]

What I do is to start up with the usb stick/cd and then simply press 
control-alt-f1 to get to a console with speakup.


On Wed, 6 Feb 2013, Don Raikes wrote:

> I am certainly open to looking at both ubuntu and debian as the base systems.
>
> The problem with ubuntu and vinux is that the latest versions of ubuntu starting with precise utilize the unity desktop and that is a real accessibility nightmare.  I know there is a way to use the gnome-classic desktop but that seems a bit flaky to me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Baechler [mailto:tony@baechler.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:00 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>
> Before you do that, look at Vinux.  It's already based on Ubuntu and includes Speakup, but it isn't specifically command line.  It also includes Gnome and Orca.  I didn't recommend it to you previously because it seemed to crash a lot in my tests, but that was quite a while ago.  Even if you go ahead and build your own CD from scratch, Vinux has done a lot of the basic steps for you.  To me, it doesn't make much sense to reinvent the wheel.  I personally would rather see efforts focused on the Debian live CD since the kernel already has Speakup included and it's just a matter of starting software speech at boot.  I did some initial experiments in this regard and it looked like it wouldn't take more than a few hours, but I admit that I don't know anything about how the boot loader works.  There are already packages to create a plain vanilla Debian live CD on your own system, so it should just be a matter of adding the espeakup, espeak and speakup-tools packages and making sur!
> e the sta
> rtup scripts work.  I might give this another go in a couple of weeks if no one beats me to it.
>
> On 2/5/2013 10:55 AM, Don Raikes wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that will boot to the console.
>>
>>
>>
>> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>>
>> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to activate Speakup at start?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: how do I unsubscribe from the speakup mailing list?

[Hank & Patty]

Thanks very much for the helpful info on how I can unsubscribe from the 
speakup list. Muchly appreciated.




Hank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@tysdomain.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: how do I unsubscribe from the speakup mailing list?


> Please don't jack threads on lists.
> Also, you can go to:
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> and you can do it from there.
> HTH,
> On 2/5/2013 9:39 PM, Hank & Patty wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to unsubscribe from the speakup mailing list. Do you maybe 
>> know how I can unsubscribe from this list? Any help that you can maybe 
>> give with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>>
>>
>>> Hi John and others, I believe this could be slightly dated, do you still 
>>> have to do a modprobe speakup_soft, followed by running espeakup to 
>>> start software speech in the latest grml?
>>>
>>> Yes there are a few problems still.
>>>
>>> Marcel
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: John G. Heim
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:16 AM
>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>>>
>>> I use grml for this. See www.grml.org.  I wrote a wiki entry  on using
>>> the accessibility features of grml on the wiki of the International
>>> Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. The page is here:
>>> http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml
>>>
>>> Grml has some access issues. It's not perfect. However, if I were to
>>> build my own rescue disk, I'd start with grml. They encourage people to
>>> build their own disks and include a tool for doing that.  I think the
>>> tool is called grml-live or something like that. You can google that.
>>> But in my job as the manager of the high performance clusters at the
>>> University of Wisconsin Math department, I always just use generic grml.
>>> I have not found it necessary to modify it.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[John G. Heim]

Have you seen the wiki entry I wrote on using the accessibility features 
of grml?  Here is the link again:

http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml

I've been working on getting that into the grml wiki itself. It'll be 
there soon.

It may be possible to improve on grml but I think it would be hard. Grml 
just uses the standard speakup kernel modules and includes whatever 
blind-friendly packages are available including espeakup and brltty. You 
could build a live CD that loads the speakup_soft module by default and 
automatically starts speech. But building the rest of the live CD is no 
small feat. A lot of work goes into including all the right packages and 
making sure the disk boots on almost al hardware. I wouldn't want to 
take on that task. If I was going to build a live CD, I'd absolutely 
start with grml and fix up a few things to make it easier for a blind 
person. YMMV.

About five years ago, I used to put out a customized grml disk that 
automatically loaded the speakup module for doubletalk synthesizer. I 
made a couple of other minor changes too. But the standard grml disk has 
worked so well for me lately that I just haven't found any reason to 
bother making a custom CD.

Another drawback to making a disk customized for blind people is that 
those projects tend to go away with time. Remember oralux?  That was a 
great project. But when the person driving the project can't do it any 
more, it tends to disappear. That could happen with grml but it is far 
less likely. There are a lot of grml developers.

My humble opinion is that if you really want to hmake a difference, get 
on the grml list  at Grml@ml.grml.org and contribute by testing and 
offering feedback.

On 2/6/2013 2:06 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> I had to give up on GRML.  First, it installs a ton of extra packages
> that are unnecessary, but that's a different issue.  The two recent
> releases I've tried did not come up talking and I couldn't get Speakup
> to start by hand. I ended up throwing away two different CDs because I
> couldn't get them to work.  I'm sorry, but I can no longer recommend
> it.  You can do pretty much the same thing with the Debian Squeeze live
> CD if you have hardware speech.  If you have software speech, it only
> takes one command to install espeakup by hand.  As mentioned in my
> previous mail, it looks very easy to create a custom live CD with the
> Speakup packages already included which would come up talking.  It
> already includes a number of rescue tools and it's easy to add more.
>
> On 2/5/2013 1:11 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the
>> grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know. They are
>> designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six
>> systems I've set-up with it. I'm not quite sure what you could
>> provide that isn't already part of grml. They have always been
>> accessibility friendly, right from their inception.
>>
>> I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you
>> redesign a wheel. You could even get involved with helping them if
>> you find them useful.
>>
>> Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft
>> after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished
>> booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output. Very
>> simple. I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty. Maybe even
>> easier.
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Hart Larry]

Well John-and-All, yes I remember Oralux.  I rather liked the US/Russian speech 
engine.  Considering I am not usually a fan of software speech solutions, that 
one was comfortable listening.  At that time I tried running YASR  but once I 
would try-and-save my settings, it would freeze.
I wrote to the oralux site, asking about purchasing Voxen, but he seemed to 
imply it was just for the graphical side.  I B M type speech is another whre I 
could putup with it.
Hart

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[John G. Heim]

I just tested my instructions and they worked for grml-2012-05 which I 
believe is the latest version.

The change to having to do a "modprobe speakup_soft" and then "espeakup" 
happened in just the version before last (2011-11). So I don't think it 
is going to change again any time soon. The grml developers 
understandably want to stick as much as possible with standard debian 
tools. So they include the speakup modules and a few blind friendly 
packages like espeakup and brltty. But other than that, the disk is not 
customized for blind people. In a way that's a good thing because it 
means these accomodations (such as they are) are less likely to break 
and/or get left out of a release.
On 2/5/2013 3:30 PM, Marcel Oats wrote:
> Hi John and others, I believe this could be slightly dated, do you still
> have to do a modprobe speakup_soft, followed by running espeakup to
> start software speech in the latest grml?
>
> Yes there are a few problems still.
>
> Marcel
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John G. Heim
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:16 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>
> I use grml for this. See www.grml.org.  I wrote a wiki entry  on using
> the accessibility features of grml on the wiki of the International
> Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. The page is here:
> http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml
>
> Grml has some access issues. It's not perfect. However, if I were to
> build my own rescue disk, I'd start with grml. They encourage people to
> build their own disks and include a tool for doing that.  I think the
> tool is called grml-live or something like that. You can google that.
> But in my job as the manager of the high performance clusters at the
> University of Wisconsin Math department, I always just use generic grml.
> I have not found it necessary to modify it.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

John,

Nice write-up.  
I will test grml over the next few days and see how it feels to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: John G. Heim [mailto:jheim@math.wisc.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:10 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

Have you seen the wiki entry I wrote on using the accessibility features of grml?  Here is the link again:

http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml

I've been working on getting that into the grml wiki itself. It'll be there soon.

It may be possible to improve on grml but I think it would be hard. Grml just uses the standard speakup kernel modules and includes whatever blind-friendly packages are available including espeakup and brltty. You could build a live CD that loads the speakup_soft module by default and automatically starts speech. But building the rest of the live CD is no small feat. A lot of work goes into including all the right packages and making sure the disk boots on almost al hardware. I wouldn't want to take on that task. If I was going to build a live CD, I'd absolutely start with grml and fix up a few things to make it easier for a blind person. YMMV.

About five years ago, I used to put out a customized grml disk that automatically loaded the speakup module for doubletalk synthesizer. I made a couple of other minor changes too. But the standard grml disk has worked so well for me lately that I just haven't found any reason to bother making a custom CD.

Another drawback to making a disk customized for blind people is that those projects tend to go away with time. Remember oralux?  That was a great project. But when the person driving the project can't do it any more, it tends to disappear. That could happen with grml but it is far less likely. There are a lot of grml developers.

My humble opinion is that if you really want to hmake a difference, get on the grml list  at Grml@ml.grml.org and contribute by testing and offering feedback.

On 2/6/2013 2:06 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> I had to give up on GRML.  First, it installs a ton of extra packages 
> that are unnecessary, but that's a different issue.  The two recent 
> releases I've tried did not come up talking and I couldn't get Speakup 
> to start by hand. I ended up throwing away two different CDs because I 
> couldn't get them to work.  I'm sorry, but I can no longer recommend 
> it.  You can do pretty much the same thing with the Debian Squeeze 
> live CD if you have hardware speech.  If you have software speech, it 
> only takes one command to install espeakup by hand.  As mentioned in 
> my previous mail, it looks very easy to create a custom live CD with 
> the Speakup packages already included which would come up talking.  It 
> already includes a number of rescue tools and it's easy to add more.
>
> On 2/5/2013 1:11 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the 
>> grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know. They are 
>> designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six 
>> systems I've set-up with it. I'm not quite sure what you could 
>> provide that isn't already part of grml. They have always been 
>> accessibility friendly, right from their inception.
>>
>> I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you 
>> redesign a wheel. You could even get involved with helping them if 
>> you find them useful.
>>
>> Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft 
>> after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished 
>> booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output. Very 
>> simple. I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty. Maybe even 
>> easier.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Tony Baechler]

John,

I put it to you, as both a former ACB member (I have to renew one of these 
days) and as a fellow blind person that what you say below is a good thing. 
  Specifically, you say that it's better to not have a customized live CD 
for the blind.  That's why I was very outspoken in my opposition to Vinux 
and generally don't recommend it to people.  You also said in your previous 
message that you would not create a live CD and you think GRML has all of 
the features and packages you would want and need.

First, I would really have to disagree that GRML only wants to use standard 
Debian tools.  They have created several scripts, including a special 
installer, grml2usb and other packages which work completely outside of 
Debian and were only relatively recently integrated into the Debian archive. 
  I ran into problems with their installer a long time ago when I first 
played with it.  Presumably this is fixed now, but by not using some form of 
D-I, there is no standard Speakup support within the installer.  Also, 
because of their reliance on a special set of scripts, I couldn't get X to 
work at all.  This was many years ago, so I'm sure any bugs are long since 
fixed, but the point is that I wouldn't reinvent the wheel when Debian 
already gives the source for D-I and their X packages.

Finally, to get to the point of all of this, the Debian Wheezy and Squeeze 
official live CDs do exactly what you say you like about GRML and work 
pretty much the same way in that you have to load the Speakup module and 
start espeakup by hand with the difference that the "espeak" and "espeakup" 
packages are not included by default.  If you look at the official Squeeze 
CD, it does have the Speakup kernel modules already and has the older 2.6.32 
kernel which still supports hardware speech.  I was successfully able to use 
it to rescue a system with a bad drive and it's now my choice for a rescue 
CD.  Since it is an official Debian CD, it only uses official Debian 
packages and is even less blind-friendly than GRML.  They aren't even 
including the software speech packages on the Wheezy CD.  However, by 
installing the live CD building packages, one can easily build a CD with the 
missing speech packages in a matter of minutes.  That's the project which I 
was talking about experimenting with in a couple of weeks.  It already 
includes a set of standard and rescue packages.  It's just a matter of 
including software speech and anything else that the blind might find 
useful.  I don't know about nowadays, but the official Debian CD seems to 
boot a lot faster than GRML did and comes already with the standard D-I 
which should support software speech.  I know the official D-I which ships 
with Wheezy supports it because I've tested it, but I'm not sure about a 
live CD.

You mentioned Oralux.  I didn't use it, but I remember it and know that it 
was popular for a while.  I would agree (see above) that a special CD for 
the blind is generally a bad idea.  However, I would rather push the Debian 
live CD maintainers to add the missing speech packages rather than rely on 
an unofficial CD which is based on Debian but is subject to change and 
doesn't really have the resources to keep up with accessibility problems. 
What I would like to see is the same boot option on the live CD as in D-I, 
specifically "s" and Enter to start software speech automatically.  To me, 
that seems much better in the long term while still not being blind-friendly 
and reasonably well supported.  You can even use the web to custom build a 
live CD, but I couldn't get it to work.

On 2/6/2013 8:19 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
> The change to having to do a "modprobe speakup_soft" and then "espeakup"
> happened in just the version before last (2011-11). So I don't think it is
> going to change again any time soon. The grml developers understandably want
> to stick as much as possible with standard debian tools. So they include the
> speakup modules and a few blind friendly packages like espeakup and brltty.
> But other than that, the disk is not customized for blind people. In a way
> that's a good thing because it means these accomodations (such as they are)
> are less likely to break and/or get left out of a release.

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Tony Baechler]

Yes, I've now read your wiki page.  I don't use GRML, but I found your page 
interesting.  I have an issue with having to press "q" every time you boot. 
  Inevitably, someone will forget to press it and wonder why your 
instructions won't work.  I don't think recent releases played the tones for 
me, but I think it was because my sound card was being muted.  This was a 
known bug in Debian which is now fixed.  With the Squeeze live CD, here 
would be a similar equivalent to your wiki page:

1. Put the Debian Squeeze live CD in your computer and boot.  You should 
hear the CD drive spinning.  If not, you might need sighted help to change 
your BIOS settings.

2. You'll land at a standard shell after about a minute.  To load hardware 
speech, enter the following:

sudo modprobe speakup_ltlk

Replace "ltlk" with the code for your synthesizer.

3. Alternatively, if you know you'll be doing everything as root anyway:

sudo bash
modprobe speakup_ltlk

It comes with an ssh server automatically, but the password for root won't 
be set and sshd will have to be started.  You can do both with speech after 
the appropriate module is loaded.

For Wheezy, the above instructions apply, but neither Squeeze nor Wheezy 
include the "espeak" and "espeakup" packages.  To work around this for now, 
do the following:

sudo modprobe speakup_soft
sudo aptitude -y install espeakup

You might need to run "aptitude update" first.  You should eventually get 
speech, assuming speakup_soft is loaded.

I guess it's just me, but that seems easier than trying to get out of the 
quick help menu and hoping my sound card gets recognized.  Once the software 
speech packages are included on the live CD, it would be even simpler since 
a script could load speakup_soft and espeakup with one command.

On 2/6/2013 7:09 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
> Have you seen the wiki entry I wrote on using the accessibility features of
> grml? Here is the link again:
>
> http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[John G Heim]

I don't think I said I was ever against the use of oralux or vinus. I said projects tend to disappear when the person driving them stops working on them. But both oralux and vinux were great tools while they were supported. I haven't been following the current state of vinux but I've recommended it highly in the past. In fact, I would think it might be better to donate time to the vinux project than it is to start another live CD project. But as I said, I haven't kept up with vinux, it may already be a dead project for all I know.

I also didn't intend to say that people should not put out a customrescue  CD for the blind. In fact, I think I mentioned that I am toying with the diea of putting out a grml fork with the kernel patched to support hardware synths along with some other minor changes. 

Also, I don't see the debian live CD and grml as a competition. To me, that's a win-win situation. Although, I'll admit I don't understand why you think it's easier to install espeakup for the debian CD and merely pressing q on the grml CD. For one thing, you can't install a package without an internet connection. The debian CD does have the advantage of having a 2.6 kernel so more hardware synths are supported. On the other hand, you could just use an older version of grml to get a 2.6 kernel. That's not that different than using a debian squeeze CD which is going to be obsolete soon. My opinion is that both disks are good tools depending on what your needs are.
 
It is true that grml tries to stick as closely to standard tools and packages. I'm on the grml developers email list and I know this to be a fact. They did change their focus about two years ago to be a live rescue disk rather than a distro you might install on your hard disk. I can't address your specific example but it might be that they wrote that tool before the change in focus or maybe there was no equivalent standard tool at the time. 

On Feb 7, 2013, at 1:37 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Yes, I've now read your wiki page.  I don't use GRML, but I found your page interesting.  I have an issue with having to press "q" every time you boot.  Inevitably, someone will forget to press it and wonder why your instructions won't work.  I don't think recent releases played the tones for me, but I think it was because my sound card was being muted.  This was a known bug in Debian which is now fixed.  With the Squeeze live CD, here would be a similar equivalent to your wiki page:
> 
> 1. Put the Debian Squeeze live CD in your computer and boot.  You should hear the CD drive spinning.  If not, you might need sighted help to change your BIOS settings.
> 
> 2. You'll land at a standard shell after about a minute.  To load hardware speech, enter the following:
> 
> sudo modprobe speakup_ltlk
> 
> Replace "ltlk" with the code for your synthesizer.
> 
> 3. Alternatively, if you know you'll be doing everything as root anyway:
> 
> sudo bash
> modprobe speakup_ltlk
> 
> It comes with an ssh server automatically, but the password for root won't be set and sshd will have to be started.  You can do both with speech after the appropriate module is loaded.
> 
> For Wheezy, the above instructions apply, but neither Squeeze nor Wheezy include the "espeak" and "espeakup" packages.  To work around this for now, do the following:
> 
> sudo modprobe speakup_soft
> sudo aptitude -y install espeakup
> 
> You might need to run "aptitude update" first.  You should eventually get speech, assuming speakup_soft is loaded.
> 
> I guess it's just me, but that seems easier than trying to get out of the quick help menu and hoping my sound card gets recognized.  Once the software speech packages are included on the live CD, it would be even simpler since a script could load speakup_soft and espeakup with one command.
> 
> On 2/6/2013 7:09 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
>> Have you seen the wiki entry I wrote on using the accessibility features of
>> grml? Here is the link again:
>> 
>> http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml
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RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

Hi folks,

Ok I have never been able to get this straight in my head.

Which release is squeeze and which is wheezy?

On the debian site I am only finding downloads for 6.06 which I had problems with trying to install.  My Braille display came up no problem, but I couldn't access the installer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Baechler [mailto:tony@baechler.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:23 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

John,

I put it to you, as both a former ACB member (I have to renew one of these
days) and as a fellow blind person that what you say below is a good thing. 
  Specifically, you say that it's better to not have a customized live CD for the blind.  That's why I was very outspoken in my opposition to Vinux and generally don't recommend it to people.  You also said in your previous message that you would not create a live CD and you think GRML has all of the features and packages you would want and need.

First, I would really have to disagree that GRML only wants to use standard Debian tools.  They have created several scripts, including a special installer, grml2usb and other packages which work completely outside of Debian and were only relatively recently integrated into the Debian archive. 
  I ran into problems with their installer a long time ago when I first played with it.  Presumably this is fixed now, but by not using some form of D-I, there is no standard Speakup support within the installer.  Also, because of their reliance on a special set of scripts, I couldn't get X to work at all.  This was many years ago, so I'm sure any bugs are long since fixed, but the point is that I wouldn't reinvent the wheel when Debian already gives the source for D-I and their X packages.

Finally, to get to the point of all of this, the Debian Wheezy and Squeeze official live CDs do exactly what you say you like about GRML and work pretty much the same way in that you have to load the Speakup module and start espeakup by hand with the difference that the "espeak" and "espeakup" 
packages are not included by default.  If you look at the official Squeeze CD, it does have the Speakup kernel modules already and has the older 2.6.32 kernel which still supports hardware speech.  I was successfully able to use it to rescue a system with a bad drive and it's now my choice for a rescue CD.  Since it is an official Debian CD, it only uses official Debian packages and is even less blind-friendly than GRML.  They aren't even including the software speech packages on the Wheezy CD.  However, by installing the live CD building packages, one can easily build a CD with the missing speech packages in a matter of minutes.  That's the project which I was talking about experimenting with in a couple of weeks.  It already includes a set of standard and rescue packages.  It's just a matter of including software speech and anything else that the blind might find useful.  I don't know about nowadays, but the official Debian CD seems to boot a lot faster than GRML did and comes already with the standard D-I which should support software speech.  I know the official D-I which ships with Wheezy supports it because I've tested it, but I'm not sure about a live CD.

You mentioned Oralux.  I didn't use it, but I remember it and know that it was popular for a while.  I would agree (see above) that a special CD for the blind is generally a bad idea.  However, I would rather push the Debian live CD maintainers to add the missing speech packages rather than rely on an unofficial CD which is based on Debian but is subject to change and doesn't really have the resources to keep up with accessibility problems. 
What I would like to see is the same boot option on the live CD as in D-I, specifically "s" and Enter to start software speech automatically.  To me, that seems much better in the long term while still not being blind-friendly and reasonably well supported.  You can even use the web to custom build a live CD, but I couldn't get it to work.

On 2/6/2013 8:19 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
> The change to having to do a "modprobe speakup_soft" and then "espeakup"
> happened in just the version before last (2011-11). So I don't think 
> it is going to change again any time soon. The grml developers 
> understandably want to stick as much as possible with standard debian 
> tools. So they include the speakup modules and a few blind friendly packages like espeakup and brltty.
> But other than that, the disk is not customized for blind people. In a 
> way that's a good thing because it means these accomodations (such as 
> they are) are less likely to break and/or get left out of a release.
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Gregory Nowak]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 08:27:00AM -0800, Don Raikes wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Ok I have never been able to get this straight in my head.
> 
> Which release is squeeze and which is wheezy?
> 

Squeeze is the current 6.x release, and wheezy is the up coming 7.0 release.

> On the debian site I am only finding downloads for 6.06 which I had problems with trying to install.  My Braille display came up no problem, but I couldn't access the installer.
> 

Perhaps if you gave more details, someone might be able to help you
access the installer.

Greg


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RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

Ok so I tried it again. I re-burned the cd and booted it on my dell laptop, and this time it worked perfectly.

I got the system installed no problems.

The only issue I am having at the moment, and I haven't tried to do any real debugging of the issue is that I updated /etc/default/brltty to have brltty start automatically.
I ran update-initramfs -u
And rebooted.  Brltty did not start automatically.

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Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 08:27:00AM -0800, Don Raikes wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Ok I have never been able to get this straight in my head.
> 
> Which release is squeeze and which is wheezy?
> 

Squeeze is the current 6.x release, and wheezy is the up coming 7.0 release.

> On the debian site I am only finding downloads for 6.06 which I had problems with trying to install.  My Braille display came up no problem, but I couldn't access the installer.
> 

Perhaps if you gave more details, someone might be able to help you access the installer.

Greg


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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Scott D. Henning]

Thank you for the discussion concerning live cds and philosophy. It is 
valuable and thought provoking. I have tried several live cds looking 
for speakup, but not Debian. Yet. Thats what I will try next. In a 
perfect world, all operating systems would speak from boot and let the 
sighted turn it off with a click. Even W****. Of course it is not a 
perfect world.

I believe a Vinux maintainer is a student at CAVI, the tech school for 
the blind. It sounded like Vinux is still supported based on his student 
introduction.


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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Gregory Nowak]

Glad to hear you got through the install. I don't have a braille
display here, so can't help you with the brltty issue, perhaps someone
else can help.

Greg


On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 09:40:16AM -0800, Don Raikes wrote:
> Ok so I tried it again. I re-burned the cd and booted it on my dell laptop, and this time it worked perfectly.
> 
> I got the system installed no problems.
> 
> The only issue I am having at the moment, and I haven't tried to do any real debugging of the issue is that I updated /etc/default/brltty to have brltty start automatically.
> I ran update-initramfs -u
> And rebooted.  Brltty did not start automatically.
> 


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RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

Vinux is still in production at:

http://www.vinux-project.org

They are working on getting ubuntu precise to work better for the visually impaired.

As for debian,  I got squeeze installed and installed espeakup nad Speakup-tools, but can't get Speakup to start.

After boot and login, I run:

Modprobe Speakup_soft
Espeakup

But I keep being told that the jack server is not started.  So far I haven't found any information about how to start it.

Unfortunately, I am discovering that squeeze doesn't include a couple of the packages I need for my livecd like dc3dd and the latest ewf-tools.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott D. Henning [mailto:shenning@durango.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:09 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

Thank you for the discussion concerning live cds and philosophy. It is valuable and thought provoking. I have tried several live cds looking for speakup, but not Debian. Yet. Thats what I will try next. In a perfect world, all operating systems would speak from boot and let the sighted turn it off with a click. Even W****. Of course it is not a perfect world.

I believe a Vinux maintainer is a student at CAVI, the tech school for the blind. It sounded like Vinux is still supported based on his student introduction.


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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Gregory Nowak]

It seems in most cases that espeakup/espeak still works even though it
says the jack server couldn't be started. Are you saying you aren't
getting speech when you modprobe speakup_soft, and start espeakup by
hand? If so, then have you tried doing:

invoke-rc.d espeakup start

after modprobe speakup_soft, instead of starting espeakup directly by
hand?

Greg


On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 11:22:16AM -0800, Don Raikes wrote:
> Vinux is still in production at:
> 
> http://www.vinux-project.org
> 
> They are working on getting ubuntu precise to work better for the visually impaired.
> 
> As for debian,  I got squeeze installed and installed espeakup nad Speakup-tools, but can't get Speakup to start.
> 
> After boot and login, I run:
> 
> Modprobe Speakup_soft
> Espeakup
> 
> But I keep being told that the jack server is not started.  So far I haven't found any information about how to start it.
> 
> Unfortunately, I am discovering that squeeze doesn't include a couple of the packages I need for my livecd like dc3dd and the latest ewf-tools.
> 


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RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

No Iam getting no speech.

Even if I reboot the system, and run the following commands:

$ modprobe Speakup_soft
$ invoke-rc.d espeakup start

I still get the error about jack's not running, but if I press <enter> I am returnedto the command-line but no speech.

System: dell inspiron xxxx laptop I don't remember the exact version.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 3:51 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

It seems in most cases that espeakup/espeak still works even though it says the jack server couldn't be started. Are you saying you aren't getting speech when you modprobe speakup_soft, and start espeakup by hand? If so, then have you tried doing:

invoke-rc.d espeakup start

after modprobe speakup_soft, instead of starting espeakup directly by hand?

Greg


On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 11:22:16AM -0800, Don Raikes wrote:
> Vinux is still in production at:
> 
> http://www.vinux-project.org
> 
> They are working on getting ubuntu precise to work better for the visually impaired.
> 
> As for debian,  I got squeeze installed and installed espeakup nad Speakup-tools, but can't get Speakup to start.
> 
> After boot and login, I run:
> 
> Modprobe Speakup_soft
> Espeakup
> 
> But I keep being told that the jack server is not started.  So far I haven't found any information about how to start it.
> 
> Unfortunately, I am discovering that squeeze doesn't include a couple of the packages I need for my livecd like dc3dd and the latest ewf-tools.
> 


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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[John G. Heim]

What I do in a situation like this is to make sure sound is working. I 
usually do that by doing a find for wav files and piping themn to the 
aplay command:

find / -name '*.wav' | xargs aplay


PS: You should have changed the subject line. Now I think it's too late.


On 2/7/2013 5:05 PM, Don Raikes wrote:
> No Iam getting no speech.
>
> Even if I reboot the system, and run the following commands:
>
> $ modprobe Speakup_soft
> $ invoke-rc.d espeakup start
>
> I still get the error about jack's not running, but if I press <enter> I am returnedto the command-line but no speech.
>
> System: dell inspiron xxxx laptop I don't remember the exact version.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:greg@gregn.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 3:51 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>
> It seems in most cases that espeakup/espeak still works even though it says the jack server couldn't be started. Are you saying you aren't getting speech when you modprobe speakup_soft, and start espeakup by hand? If so, then have you tried doing:
>
> invoke-rc.d espeakup start
>
> after modprobe speakup_soft, instead of starting espeakup directly by hand?
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 11:22:16AM -0800, Don Raikes wrote:
>> Vinux is still in production at:
>>
>> http://www.vinux-project.org
>>
>> They are working on getting ubuntu precise to work better for the visually impaired.
>>
>> As for debian,  I got squeeze installed and installed espeakup nad Speakup-tools, but can't get Speakup to start.
>>
>> After boot and login, I run:
>>
>> Modprobe Speakup_soft
>> Espeakup
>>
>> But I keep being told that the jack server is not started.  So far I haven't found any information about how to start it.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I am discovering that squeeze doesn't include a couple of the packages I need for my livecd like dc3dd and the latest ewf-tools.
>>
>
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[covici]

Why would you need jack for espeakup?  AT least on grml I never saw that
message.

Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM> wrote:

> No Iam getting no speech.
> 
> Even if I reboot the system, and run the following commands:
> 
> $ modprobe Speakup_soft
> $ invoke-rc.d espeakup start
> 
> I still get the error about jack's not running, but if I press <enter> I am returnedto the command-line but no speech.
> 
> System: dell inspiron xxxx laptop I don't remember the exact version.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:greg@gregn.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 3:51 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
> 
> It seems in most cases that espeakup/espeak still works even though it says the jack server couldn't be started. Are you saying you aren't getting speech when you modprobe speakup_soft, and start espeakup by hand? If so, then have you tried doing:
> 
> invoke-rc.d espeakup start
> 
> after modprobe speakup_soft, instead of starting espeakup directly by hand?
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 11:22:16AM -0800, Don Raikes wrote:
> > Vinux is still in production at:
> > 
> > http://www.vinux-project.org
> > 
> > They are working on getting ubuntu precise to work better for the visually impaired.
> > 
> > As for debian,  I got squeeze installed and installed espeakup nad Speakup-tools, but can't get Speakup to start.
> > 
> > After boot and login, I run:
> > 
> > Modprobe Speakup_soft
> > Espeakup
> > 
> > But I keep being told that the jack server is not started.  So far I haven't found any information about how to start it.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I am discovering that squeeze doesn't include a couple of the packages I need for my livecd like dc3dd and the latest ewf-tools.
> > 
> 
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Glenn]

I get that message when I try to install Speakup on my Raspberry PI.
Glenn
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Why would you need jack for espeakup?  AT least on grml I never saw that
message.

Don Raikes <DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM> wrote:

> No Iam getting no speech.
>
> Even if I reboot the system, and run the following commands:
>
> $ modprobe Speakup_soft
> $ invoke-rc.d espeakup start
>
> I still get the error about jack's not running, but if I press <enter> I 
> am returnedto the command-line but no speech.
>
> System: dell inspiron xxxx laptop I don't remember the exact version.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:greg@gregn.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 3:51 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>
> It seems in most cases that espeakup/espeak still works even though it 
> says the jack server couldn't be started. Are you saying you aren't 
> getting speech when you modprobe speakup_soft, and start espeakup by hand? 
> If so, then have you tried doing:
>
> invoke-rc.d espeakup start
>
> after modprobe speakup_soft, instead of starting espeakup directly by 
> hand?
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 11:22:16AM -0800, Don Raikes wrote:
> > Vinux is still in production at:
> >
> > http://www.vinux-project.org
> >
> > They are working on getting ubuntu precise to work better for the 
> > visually impaired.
> >
> > As for debian,  I got squeeze installed and installed espeakup nad 
> > Speakup-tools, but can't get Speakup to start.
> >
> > After boot and login, I run:
> >
> > Modprobe Speakup_soft
> > Espeakup
> >
> > But I keep being told that the jack server is not started.  So far I 
> > haven't found any information about how to start it.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I am discovering that squeeze doesn't include a couple of 
> > the packages I need for my livecd like dc3dd and the latest ewf-tools.
> >
>
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Peter]

Kirk:
Thanks for this information. Grml is great and perfectly enough
others: thanks for all related information.
Peter
Dňa 5. 2. 2013 22:11 Kirk Reiser  wrote / napísal(a):
> I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the
> grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know.  They are
> designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six
> systems I've set-up with it.  I'm not quite sure what you could
> provide that isn't already part of grml.  They have always been
> accessibility friendly, right from their inception.
> 
> I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you
> redesign a wheel.  You could even get involved with helping them if
> you find them useful.
> 
> Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft
> after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished
> booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output.  Very
> simple.  I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty.  Maybe even
> easier.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, Don Raikes wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that
>> will boot to the console.
>>
>>
>>
>> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup,
>> espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>>
>> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to
>> activate Speakup at start?
>> _______________________________________________
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RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

I agree that grml should work well, however, I couldn't get apt-get update to work.  It kept erroring out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter [mailto:lecky_lists@nextra.sk] 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:02 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

Kirk:
Thanks for this information. Grml is great and perfectly enough
others: thanks for all related information.
Peter
Dňa 5. 2. 2013 22:11 Kirk Reiser  wrote / napísal(a):
> I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the 
> grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know.  They are 
> designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six 
> systems I've set-up with it.  I'm not quite sure what you could 
> provide that isn't already part of grml.  They have always been 
> accessibility friendly, right from their inception.
> 
> I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you 
> redesign a wheel.  You could even get involved with helping them if 
> you find them useful.
> 
> Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft 
> after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished 
> booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output.  Very 
> simple.  I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty.  Maybe even 
> easier.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, Don Raikes wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that 
>> will boot to the console.
>>
>>
>>
>> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup, 
>> espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>>
>> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to 
>> activate Speakup at start?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[John G. Heim]

It's not clear if you want help with this problem. But something to try 
is to do an 'apt-get update' before doing an 'apt-get install'.  Apt-get 
can error out if the package list needs to be updated but it doesn't 
give a meaningful error message. If the update doesn't work then you 
probably have a problem with your network connection.





On 2/11/2013 9:50 AM, Don Raikes wrote:
> I agree that grml should work well, however, I couldn't get apt-get update to work.  It kept erroring out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter [mailto:lecky_lists@nextra.sk]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:02 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd
>
> Kirk:
> Thanks for this information. Grml is great and perfectly enough
> others: thanks for all related information.
> Peter
> Dňa 5. 2. 2013 22:11 Kirk Reiser  wrote / napísal(a):
>> I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the
>> grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know.  They are
>> designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six
>> systems I've set-up with it.  I'm not quite sure what you could
>> provide that isn't already part of grml.  They have always been
>> accessibility friendly, right from their inception.
>>
>> I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you
>> redesign a wheel.  You could even get involved with helping them if
>> you find them useful.
>>
>> Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft
>> after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished
>> booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output.  Very
>> simple.  I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty.  Maybe even
>> easier.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2013, Don Raikes wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am starting work on a project to make a Speakup-enabled livecd that
>>> will boot to the console.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The cd will be based on ubuntu precise and will include Speakup,
>>> espeakup and brltty for accessibility.
>>>
>>> Are there special parameters I need to pass to the kernel at boot to
>>> activate Speakup at start?
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Gregory Nowak]

Speaking of live cd's, I haven't yet come across one containing
ndiswrapper, openswan/strongswan, and possibly an l2tp daemon, xl2tpd  comes to
mind. Oh yes, one that contains speakup too, in addition to software
speech preferably. If someone knows of such a beast, please do tell.

Greg


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:02:23AM +0100, Peter wrote:
> Kirk:
> Thanks for this information. Grml is great and perfectly enough
> others: thanks for all related information.
> Peter


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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[John G. Heim]

I don't know what those packages do (even after listening to the 
apt-cache description). But if you can justify them being on a rescue 
disk, the grml people would probably be willing to include them.  They 
won't just include any package someone might need just because they need 
it. But if you can give a good reason for these packages being on a 
rescue disk, they will probably be willing to add them.

On 2/11/2013 2:12 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Speaking of live cd's, I haven't yet come across one containing
> ndiswrapper, openswan/strongswan, and possibly an l2tp daemon, xl2tpd  comes to
> mind. Oh yes, one that contains speakup too, in addition to software
> speech preferably. If someone knows of such a beast, please do tell.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:02:23AM +0100, Peter wrote:
>> Kirk:
>> Thanks for this information. Grml is great and perfectly enough
>> others: thanks for all related information.
>> Peter
>
>

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Gregory Nowak]

I believe I can justify including at least the first two, if not all
of them. What's the best place to do that, the grml users mailing
list? I hope they wouldn't come back with something along the lines of we
won't do it, because no one else does.

Greg


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 02:44:47PM -0600, John G. Heim wrote:
> I don't know what those packages do (even after listening to the
> apt-cache description). But if you can justify them being on a
> rescue disk, the grml people would probably be willing to include
> them.  They won't just include any package someone might need just
> because they need it. But if you can give a good reason for these
> packages being on a rescue disk, they will probably be willing to
> add them.
> 


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RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

Greg,

Send me a list of the packages you think would be useful, and I will see about including them on my live cd.

I hope to have my first version of the cd this week (provided I don't run into any huge issues).
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:greg@gregn.net] 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:33 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

I believe I can justify including at least the first two, if not all of them. What's the best place to do that, the grml users mailing list? I hope they wouldn't come back with something along the lines of we won't do it, because no one else does.

Greg


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 02:44:47PM -0600, John G. Heim wrote:
> I don't know what those packages do (even after listening to the 
> apt-cache description). But if you can justify them being on a rescue 
> disk, the grml people would probably be willing to include them.  They 
> won't just include any package someone might need just because they 
> need it. But if you can give a good reason for these packages being on 
> a rescue disk, they will probably be willing to add them.
> 


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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[John G. Heim]

Well, they're not going to say that (we're not going to do it because 
nobody else does). But they may give some other reason. The grml list is 
at grml@ml.grml.org.



On 2/11/2013 3:32 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> I believe I can justify including at least the first two, if not all
> of them. What's the best place to do that, the grml users mailing
> list? I hope they wouldn't come back with something along the lines of we
> won't do it, because no one else does.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 02:44:47PM -0600, John G. Heim wrote:
>> I don't know what those packages do (even after listening to the
>> apt-cache description). But if you can justify them being on a
>> rescue disk, the grml people would probably be willing to include
>> them.  They won't just include any package someone might need just
>> because they need it. But if you can give a good reason for these
>> packages being on a rescue disk, they will probably be willing to
>> add them.
>>
>
>

RE: creating a speakup cli cd

[Don Raikes]

Greg,

Can you contact me off-list <don.raikes@oracle.com> ?

I would like to understand what these packages would be used for, and how best to configure openswan since it seems to require some configuration before it can be used.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:greg@gregn.net] 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:12 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd

Speaking of live cd's, I haven't yet come across one containing ndiswrapper, openswan/strongswan, and possibly an l2tp daemon, xl2tpd  comes to mind. Oh yes, one that contains speakup too, in addition to software speech preferably. If someone knows of such a beast, please do tell.

Greg


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:02:23AM +0100, Peter wrote:
> Kirk:
> Thanks for this information. Grml is great and perfectly enough
> others: thanks for all related information.
> Peter


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Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Jason White]

Don Raikes  <speakup@linux-speakup.org> wrote:
>I agree that grml should work well, however, I couldn't get apt-get update to work.  It kept erroring out.

Do you mean when run from the live CD or after installing GRML to a drive? The
latter is no longer recommended by the GRML maintainers, according to mailing
list posts. Instead, they recommend using scripts provided by GRML to install
debian to a hard drive (the provided script automates and simplifies the
installation of Debian with Debootstrap).

Running apt-get update from the "live" GRML should work. If not, it may be a
bug.

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Tony Baechler]

The Debian Squeeze (and presumably Wheezy) includes at least some of these 
packages, strongswan in particular.  Squeeze does support hardware speech 
with the 2.6.32 kernel.  Wheezy doesn't currently include the software 
speech packages on the live CD, but they can be installed by hand.  I 
definitely plan to see if I can build a Wheezy live CD with software speech 
that comes up automatically.  Both already include the Speakup modules. 
It's just a matter of adding the software speech packages and starting 
Speakup manually after the CD boots.

On 2/11/2013 12:12 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Speaking of live cd's, I haven't yet come across one containing
> ndiswrapper, openswan/strongswan, and possibly an l2tp daemon, xl2tpd  comes to
> mind. Oh yes, one that contains speakup too, in addition to software
> speech preferably. If someone knows of such a beast, please do tell.

Re: creating a speakup cli cd

[Tony Baechler]

Oops, I forgot to mention that this is the Debian rescue CD.  The standard 
CD apparently doesn't have the same variety of packages.  I personally 
looked at almost every package on the rescue CD, so I'm pretty sure that all 
of the packages you want are included.  Also, I'm talking about the official 
live CDs, available from live.debian.net.

On 2/12/2013 12:35 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> The Debian Squeeze (and presumably Wheezy) includes at least some of these
> packages, strongswan in particular. Squeeze does support hardware speech
> with the 2.6.32 kernel. Wheezy doesn't currently include the software speech
> packages on the live CD, but they can be installed by hand. I definitely
> plan to see if I can build a Wheezy live CD with software speech that comes
> up automatically. Both already include the Speakup modules. It's just a
> matter of adding the software speech packages and starting Speakup manually
> after the CD boots.
>
> On 2/11/2013 12:12 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> Speaking of live cd's, I haven't yet come across one containing
>> ndiswrapper, openswan/strongswan, and possibly an l2tp daemon, xl2tpd
>> comes to
>> mind. Oh yes, one that contains speakup too, in addition to software
>> speech preferably. If someone knows of such a beast, please do tell.
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