From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mta2.math.wisc.edu (mta2.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.24]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DC41EF089 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4D4126006 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:39:09 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mta2.math.wisc.edu Received: from mta2.math.wisc.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta2.math.wisc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-t2YCMpOJUY for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:39:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mta2.math.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2A7126001 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:39:08 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on delta.math.wisc.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 Received: from mailhost.math.wisc.edu (erdos.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.25]) by mta2.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:39:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from vv507i.math.wisc.edu (vv507i.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AB8F540075 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:39:08 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd From: John G Heim In-Reply-To: <511359D2.4070908@baechler.net> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:26:08 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4749D7DE-0750-4789-9EBE-BA26F16D8582@math.wisc.edu> References: <51120F03.10804@baechler.net> <5112722B.8090903@math.wisc.edu> <511359D2.4070908@baechler.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 16:39:17 -0000 I don't think I said I was ever against the use of oralux or vinus. I = said projects tend to disappear when the person driving them stops = working on them. But both oralux and vinux were great tools while they = were supported. I haven't been following the current state of vinux but = I've recommended it highly in the past. In fact, I would think it might = be better to donate time to the vinux project than it is to start = another live CD project. But as I said, I haven't kept up with vinux, it = may already be a dead project for all I know. I also didn't intend to say that people should not put out a = customrescue CD for the blind. In fact, I think I mentioned that I am = toying with the diea of putting out a grml fork with the kernel patched = to support hardware synths along with some other minor changes.=20 Also, I don't see the debian live CD and grml as a competition. To me, = that's a win-win situation. Although, I'll admit I don't understand why = you think it's easier to install espeakup for the debian CD and merely = pressing q on the grml CD. For one thing, you can't install a package = without an internet connection. The debian CD does have the advantage of = having a 2.6 kernel so more hardware synths are supported. On the other = hand, you could just use an older version of grml to get a 2.6 kernel. = That's not that different than using a debian squeeze CD which is going = to be obsolete soon. My opinion is that both disks are good tools = depending on what your needs are. =20 It is true that grml tries to stick as closely to standard tools and = packages. I'm on the grml developers email list and I know this to be a = fact. They did change their focus about two years ago to be a live = rescue disk rather than a distro you might install on your hard disk. I = can't address your specific example but it might be that they wrote that = tool before the change in focus or maybe there was no equivalent = standard tool at the time.=20 On Feb 7, 2013, at 1:37 AM, Tony Baechler wrote: > Yes, I've now read your wiki page. I don't use GRML, but I found your = page interesting. I have an issue with having to press "q" every time = you boot. Inevitably, someone will forget to press it and wonder why = your instructions won't work. I don't think recent releases played the = tones for me, but I think it was because my sound card was being muted. = This was a known bug in Debian which is now fixed. With the Squeeze = live CD, here would be a similar equivalent to your wiki page: >=20 > 1. Put the Debian Squeeze live CD in your computer and boot. You = should hear the CD drive spinning. If not, you might need sighted help = to change your BIOS settings. >=20 > 2. You'll land at a standard shell after about a minute. To load = hardware speech, enter the following: >=20 > sudo modprobe speakup_ltlk >=20 > Replace "ltlk" with the code for your synthesizer. >=20 > 3. Alternatively, if you know you'll be doing everything as root = anyway: >=20 > sudo bash > modprobe speakup_ltlk >=20 > It comes with an ssh server automatically, but the password for root = won't be set and sshd will have to be started. You can do both with = speech after the appropriate module is loaded. >=20 > For Wheezy, the above instructions apply, but neither Squeeze nor = Wheezy include the "espeak" and "espeakup" packages. To work around = this for now, do the following: >=20 > sudo modprobe speakup_soft > sudo aptitude -y install espeakup >=20 > You might need to run "aptitude update" first. You should eventually = get speech, assuming speakup_soft is loaded. >=20 > I guess it's just me, but that seems easier than trying to get out of = the quick help menu and hoping my sound card gets recognized. Once the = software speech packages are included on the live CD, it would be even = simpler since a script could load speakup_soft and espeakup with one = command. >=20 > On 2/6/2013 7:09 AM, John G. Heim wrote: >> Have you seen the wiki entry I wrote on using the accessibility = features of >> grml? Here is the link again: >>=20 >> http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20