From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F8731EF08B for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r16GiGev025740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:44:17 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r16GiGoQ002634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:44:16 GMT Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r16GiFtm018560 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:44:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <75c37ca3-2ff8-4440-9fd7-e85670c6d2f0@default> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Don Raikes Sender: Don Raikes To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: RE: creating a speakup cli cd References: <51120F03.10804@baechler.net> <5112722B.8090903@math.wisc.edu> In-Reply-To: <5112722B.8090903@math.wisc.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 12.0.6665.5003 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:44:24 -0000 John, Nice write-up. =20 I will test grml over the next few days and see how it feels to me. -----Original Message----- From: John G. Heim [mailto:jheim@math.wisc.edu]=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:10 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: creating a speakup cli cd Have you seen the wiki entry I wrote on using the accessibility features of= grml? Here is the link again: http://wiki.iavit.org/index.php/Accessing_grml I've been working on getting that into the grml wiki itself. It'll be there= soon. It may be possible to improve on grml but I think it would be hard. Grml ju= st uses the standard speakup kernel modules and includes whatever blind-fri= endly packages are available including espeakup and brltty. You could build= a live CD that loads the speakup_soft module by default and automatically = starts speech. But building the rest of the live CD is no small feat. A lot= of work goes into including all the right packages and making sure the dis= k boots on almost al hardware. I wouldn't want to take on that task. If I w= as going to build a live CD, I'd absolutely start with grml and fix up a fe= w things to make it easier for a blind person. YMMV. About five years ago, I used to put out a customized grml disk that automat= ically loaded the speakup module for doubletalk synthesizer. I made a coupl= e of other minor changes too. But the standard grml disk has worked so well= for me lately that I just haven't found any reason to bother making a cust= om CD. Another drawback to making a disk customized for blind people is that those= projects tend to go away with time. Remember oralux? That was a great pro= ject. But when the person driving the project can't do it any more, it tend= s to disappear. That could happen with grml but it is far less likely. Ther= e are a lot of grml developers. My humble opinion is that if you really want to hmake a difference, get on = the grml list at Grml@ml.grml.org and contribute by testing and offering f= eedback. On 2/6/2013 2:06 AM, Tony Baechler wrote: > I had to give up on GRML. First, it installs a ton of extra packages=20 > that are unnecessary, but that's a different issue. The two recent=20 > releases I've tried did not come up talking and I couldn't get Speakup=20 > to start by hand. I ended up throwing away two different CDs because I=20 > couldn't get them to work. I'm sorry, but I can no longer recommend=20 > it. You can do pretty much the same thing with the Debian Squeeze=20 > live CD if you have hardware speech. If you have software speech, it=20 > only takes one command to install espeakup by hand. As mentioned in=20 > my previous mail, it looks very easy to create a custom live CD with=20 > the Speakup packages already included which would come up talking. It=20 > already includes a number of rescue tools and it's easy to add more. > > On 2/5/2013 1:11 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote: >> I think wanting to create this type of CD is admirable, however, the=20 >> grml rescue disks already have these items as far as I know. They are=20 >> designed as a rescue system and I have installed the last five or six=20 >> systems I've set-up with it. I'm not quite sure what you could=20 >> provide that isn't already part of grml. They have always been=20 >> accessibility friendly, right from their inception. >> >> I'd suggest at least burning one and learning about them before you=20 >> redesign a wheel. You could even get involved with helping them if=20 >> you find them useful. >> >> Once you boot the most recent all you do is modprobe speakup_soft=20 >> after the beedley-bop sound it makes to let one know it is finished=20 >> booting and them type espeakup to start the speech output. Very=20 >> simple. I'm sure it's just as simple to start brltty. Maybe even=20 >> easier. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup