Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[ace]

Hello all,

Does anyone use the Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone?  If so, could 
you please message me off list and tell me what you think of it?  I 
have tried unsuccessfully to get ahold of anyone at the company this 
week.  I would like to hear user input.

Thanks,
Robby

Re: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[W. Nick Dotson]

They are at ACB and coming back this weekend, taking the weekend off, they were at NFB last week.  My fiance and I love ours!  What do you want to 
know, I don't have time for off-line stuff as I'm at work.

Nick

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:14:27 -0400, ace wrote:

 Hello all,

 Does anyone use the Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone?  If so, could 
 you please message me off list and tell me what you think of it?  I 
 have tried unsuccessfully to get ahold of anyone at the company this 
 week.  I would like to hear user input.

 Thanks,
 Robby


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RE: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Wil James]

My wife and I bought one at the ACB convention and we love it too!
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: W. Nick Dotson [mailto:nickdotson@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:25 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

They are at ACB and coming back this weekend, taking the weekend off, they
were at NFB last week.  My fiance and I love ours!  What do you want to
know, I don't have time for off-line stuff as I'm at work.

Nick

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:14:27 -0400, ace wrote:

 Hello all,

 Does anyone use the Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone?  If so, could  you
please message me off list and tell me what you think of it?  I  have tried
unsuccessfully to get ahold of anyone at the company this  week.  I would
like to hear user input.

 Thanks,
 Robby


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Re: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Cheryl Homiak]

I wanted to get one but T-mobile doesn't provide service here and now  
I'm on a new contract with sprint. In an interview I heard that there  
could be a way to get it to work with sprint but it requires a  
different chip since it's not gsm and it would be much more expensive  
unless sprint subswould subsidize it llike T-mobile does.

-- 
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is,
there will your heart be also".

Re: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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I saw one of these at the ACB convention last week.  Except for the
voice, the screenless phone has the functionality of the free phones
provided when you get a contract with most companies, but at a price of
$199 with 2-year contract with t-mobile.  It's big, it's fat, and it is
an extremely basic phone providing only a very few features that I have
come to expect in a cell phone at less than half its price.

Just my personal experience,
Lorenzo
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Re: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Cheryl Homiak]

I think most people who have or want this phone aren't wanting all  
the features. they are just wanting a phone where all the menus talk  
and where they can manage the phonebook and check their status  
information without paying a bundle for the software plus phone or  
having to do or pay for installing of software. And Besides this, not  
everybody thinks tinier and tinier is better and better. However,  
your point about the price is well-taken and without the T-mobile  
subsidy it's prohibitively expensive for most of us for what it does.  
There are of course the LG phones for Verizon users, but I personally  
don't like flip phones. So for now I'll continue with Sprint and my  
nice candybar-style sanyo phone, which has tons of features I can't  
access and cost as much as the Owasys but at least has a feel and  
size and keypad with which I can live and gives me some features via  
voice command that make it somewhat accessible. Cell phone choices  
are a very personal thing, and one person's treasured phone may be  
another person's hunk of junk--smile!




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there will your heart be also".

Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Farhan]

Personally, I like my Nokia 3650, it doesn't work with cingular's 850 mhz band, and I get random calls asking if jillian is around but I am free to put whatever I want on my phone.
Not saying that you can't put stuf on the oasis but Nokia's way of doing things is much more practical, because if the oasis's operating system screws up, you have to send it in for repairs and with Nokia phones, there is probably a local service center.
Stupid question, does the oasis work on the 850 mhz band?

On 7/17/2006 at 5:26 Lorenzo Taylor said
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I saw one of these at the ACB convention last week.  Except for the
voice, the screenless phone has the functionality of the free phones
provided when you get a contract with most companies, but at a price of
$199 with 2-year contract with t-mobile.  It's big, it's fat, and it is
an extremely basic phone providing only a very few features that I have
come to expect in a cell phone at less than half its price.

Just my personal experience,
Lorenzo
- -- 
Everything will be just tickety-boo today.
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Re: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[David Poehlman]

Let me count the ways:
What could be easier than popping in your sim card and you're ready  
to go on Cingular.  It's lighter than most phones.  Everything it  
does talks.  It provides privacy for all functions.  Its buttons are  
just the right size and well spaced providing proper tactile  
feedback.  For activities, it has a well designed interface for using  
the call log, the phone book, the configuration settings, the status  
menus.  It's not too big or too small.  It has plenty of sounds to  
choose from.  More's the pity I have not tried it with sms but  
someone I know uses sms with it.  Had this phone been available  
before I got my nokia 6620 with talks, I'd have acquired it instead  
for its simplicity, ease of use and because it's obviously built with  
the intention of bbeing able to be used without any sight at all,  
yet, once they get over the shock of it not having a screen, folks  
with vision can use it with relative ease.

I just want a phone, I have a web bbrowser and an email client and  
all those other things that are packed into those tiny spaces.

Thanks!

RE: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Wil James]

I did happen to purchase the phone from Capital Accessibility for $200 per
phone.  When I was with Sprint, I purchases a phone around that same price.
The difference is I can do more with this phone that I could with the phone
purchases from Sprint.  I did hear through the grapevine that a cable can be
purchased for the Owasys 22C, which will allow anyone who programs to write
modules for the phone.  This cable is available for $60.  You can watch the
phone boot up to Linux.  You type in root to log in and dismiss the password
field.  This phone has potential for growth, especially if someone knows how
to write programs that will work for us blinks.  I wish I knew programming,
but I don't.  I can think of a lot of useful add-ons for the phone we
currently don't have.
  
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lorenzo Taylor [mailto:lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:17 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

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I saw one of these at the ACB convention last week.  Except for the voice,
the screenless phone has the functionality of the free phones provided when
you get a contract with most companies, but at a price of
$199 with 2-year contract with t-mobile.  It's big, it's fat, and it is an
extremely basic phone providing only a very few features that I have come to
expect in a cell phone at less than half its price.

Just my personal experience,
Lorenzo
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Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Sean McMahon]

I think when I went to screenlessphone.com, I saw that the oasis is duelband, 
850,1900MHZ in noAmerica.  Also because this thing uses linux, can you download 
the source for it's kernel and fix the phone yourself?
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:31 AM
Subject: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


> Personally, I like my Nokia 3650, it doesn't work with cingular's 850 mhz 
> band, and I get random calls asking if jillian is around but I am free to put 
> whatever I want on my phone.
> Not saying that you can't put stuf on the oasis but Nokia's way of doing 
> things is much more practical, because if the oasis's operating system screws 
> up, you have to send it in for repairs and with Nokia phones, there is 
> probably a local service center.
> Stupid question, does the oasis work on the 850 mhz band?
>
> On 7/17/2006 at 5:26 Lorenzo Taylor said
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> I saw one of these at the ACB convention last week.  Except for the
> voice, the screenless phone has the functionality of the free phones
> provided when you get a contract with most companies, but at a price of
> $199 with 2-year contract with t-mobile.  It's big, it's fat, and it is
> an extremely basic phone providing only a very few features that I have
> come to expect in a cell phone at less than half its price.
>
> Just my personal experience,
> Lorenzo
> - -- 
> Everything will be just tickety-boo today.
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Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Michael Whapples]

Hello,
I will try and stay away from some of my thoughts on most specifically made 
for the blind devices when making some comments on this, but it may be hard 
for me.

Some times these things have bugs that simply shouldn't be there, one that 
my Aunt has mentioned about hers is that if you are on the phone and some 
try to call you and the network sends a signal to alert you, it cuts you 
off. With a main stream phone such as my Nokia 6670, things like that simply 
wouldn't happen, and if on the occasions that a bug that impacts on 
usability, then upgrades are normally made available and can be done locally 
(in the UK with in the town the owner lives in), what is the situation for 
firmware updates for the owasys? Does it have to be sent away? If so, how 
long will you be without a phone? Also is hardware such as the battery and 
charger a standard type charger (i.e. one of the common types used in other 
mobile phones)? If not, how much will replacement batteries cost when you 
need one?

May be the people who have these are happy with what they have, but I 
question in my mind whether it really was the best choice for all of them. 
Did they just choose it because they believe it will be superior for them to 
use because the entire device was designed for the blind? Although main 
stream products may be equally usable (I have absolutely no problems with 
the keyboard on my nokia 6670 and I can think of other devices I have which 
I have which are main stream and are perfectly usable).

From
Michael Whapples
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


> Personally, I like my Nokia 3650, it doesn't work with cingular's 850 mhz 
> band, and I get random calls asking if jillian is around but I am free to 
> put whatever I want on my phone.
> Not saying that you can't put stuf on the oasis but Nokia's way of doing 
> things is much more practical, because if the oasis's operating system 
> screws up, you have to send it in for repairs and with Nokia phones, there 
> is probably a local service center.
> Stupid question, does the oasis work on the 850 mhz band?
>
> On 7/17/2006 at 5:26 Lorenzo Taylor said
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> I saw one of these at the ACB convention last week.  Except for the
> voice, the screenless phone has the functionality of the free phones
> provided when you get a contract with most companies, but at a price of
> $199 with 2-year contract with t-mobile.  It's big, it's fat, and it is
> an extremely basic phone providing only a very few features that I have
> come to expect in a cell phone at less than half its price.
>
> Just my personal experience,
> Lorenzo
> - -- 
> Everything will be just tickety-boo today.
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Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[David Poehlman]

I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case  
tthough, we needed the functionality.

It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on  
and then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.

On Jul 18, 2006, at 5:23 AM, Michael Whapples wrote:

Hello,
I will try and stay away from some of my thoughts on most  
specifically made
for the blind devices when making some comments on this, but it may  
be hard
for me.

Some times these things have bugs that simply shouldn't be there, one  
that
my Aunt has mentioned about hers is that if you are on the phone and  
some
try to call you and the network sends a signal to alert you, it cuts you
off. With a main stream phone such as my Nokia 6670, things like that  
simply
wouldn't happen, and if on the occasions that a bug that impacts on
usability, then upgrades are normally made available and can be done  
locally
(in the UK with in the town the owner lives in), what is the  
situation for
firmware updates for the owasys? Does it have to be sent away? If so,  
how
long will you be without a phone? Also is hardware such as the  
battery and
charger a standard type charger (i.e. one of the common types used in  
other
mobile phones)? If not, how much will replacement batteries cost when  
you
need one?

May be the people who have these are happy with what they have, but I
question in my mind whether it really was the best choice for all of  
them.
Did they just choose it because they believe it will be superior for  
them to
use because the entire device was designed for the blind? Although main
stream products may be equally usable (I have absolutely no problems  
with
the keyboard on my nokia 6670 and I can think of other devices I have  
which
I have which are main stream and are perfectly usable).

From
Michael Whapples
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


> Personally, I like my Nokia 3650, it doesn't work with cingular's  
> 850 mhz
> band, and I get random calls asking if jillian is around but I am  
> free to
> put whatever I want on my phone.
> Not saying that you can't put stuf on the oasis but Nokia's way of  
> doing
> things is much more practical, because if the oasis's operating system
> screws up, you have to send it in for repairs and with Nokia  
> phones, there
> is probably a local service center.
> Stupid question, does the oasis work on the 850 mhz band?
>
> On 7/17/2006 at 5:26 Lorenzo Taylor said
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I saw one of these at the ACB convention last week.  Except for the
> voice, the screenless phone has the functionality of the free phones
> provided when you get a contract with most companies, but at a  
> price of
> $199 with 2-year contract with t-mobile.  It's big, it's fat, and  
> it is
> an extremely basic phone providing only a very few features that I  
> have
> come to expect in a cell phone at less than half its price.
>
> Just my personal experience,
> Lorenzo
> - --
> Everything will be just tickety-boo today.
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Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[W. Nick Dotson]

Alot of them use "pda" motherboards with midified enclosures and key switching.  Nothing particularly difficult, but for manufacturing such enclosures 
manufactured in small quantity are expensive!!!

Nick

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:13:57 -0400, David Poehlman wrote:

 I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case  
 tthough, we needed the functionality.

 It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on  
 and then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.

 On Jul 18, 2006, at 5:23 AM, Michael Whapples wrote:

 Hello,
 I will try and stay away from some of my thoughts on most  
 specifically made
 for the blind devices when making some comments on this, but it may  
 be hard
 for me.

 Some times these things have bugs that simply shouldn't be there, one  
 that
 my Aunt has mentioned about hers is that if you are on the phone and  
 some
 try to call you and the network sends a signal to alert you, it cuts you
 off. With a main stream phone such as my Nokia 6670, things like that  
 simply
 wouldn't happen, and if on the occasions that a bug that impacts on
 usability, then upgrades are normally made available and can be done  
 locally
 (in the UK with in the town the owner lives in), what is the  
 situation for
 firmware updates for the owasys? Does it have to be sent away? If so,  
 how
 long will you be without a phone? Also is hardware such as the  
 battery and
 charger a standard type charger (i.e. one of the common types used in  
 other
 mobile phones)? If not, how much will replacement batteries cost when  
 you
 need one?

 May be the people who have these are happy with what they have, but I
 question in my mind whether it really was the best choice for all of  
 them.
 Did they just choose it because they believe it will be superior for  
 them to
 use because the entire device was designed for the blind? Although main
 stream products may be equally usable (I have absolutely no problems  
 with
 the keyboard on my nokia 6670 and I can think of other devices I have  
 which
 I have which are main stream and are perfectly usable).

 From
 Michael Whapples
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
 <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:31 AM
 Subject: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


 > Personally, I like my Nokia 3650, it doesn't work with cingular's  
 > 850 mhz
 > band, and I get random calls asking if jillian is around but I am  
 > free to
 > put whatever I want on my phone.
 > Not saying that you can't put stuf on the oasis but Nokia's way of  
 > doing
 > things is much more practical, because if the oasis's operating system
 > screws up, you have to send it in for repairs and with Nokia  
 > phones, there
 > is probably a local service center.
 > Stupid question, does the oasis work on the 850 mhz band?
 >
 > On 7/17/2006 at 5:26 Lorenzo Taylor said
 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
 > Hash: SHA1
 >
 > I saw one of these at the ACB convention last week.  Except for the
 > voice, the screenless phone has the functionality of the free phones
 > provided when you get a contract with most companies, but at a  
 > price of
 > $199 with 2-year contract with t-mobile.  It's big, it's fat, and  
 > it is
 > an extremely basic phone providing only a very few features that I  
 > have
 > come to expect in a cell phone at less than half its price.
 >
 > Just my personal experience,
 > Lorenzo
 > - --
 > Everything will be just tickety-boo today.
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Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[ace]

I absolutely agree with you.  However, these people want 
competition.  If there is something that they don't have and a lot of 
people want it, they are open to suggestions and will definitely put 
it in.  I have been in contact with them over the last couple of days 
and they are really nice people.

As far as updates go, if you get the proper cable (at an outrageous 
price) you can update the firmware yourself.  That brings me to 
another question: why are cables so expensive?  This isn't just with 
Capital Accessibility--I have seen several companies sell cables at 
around the same price.

Robby
At 05:23 AM 7/18/2006, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I will try and stay away from some of my thoughts on most specifically made
>for the blind devices when making some comments on this, but it may be hard
>for me.
>
>Some times these things have bugs that simply shouldn't be there, one that
>my Aunt has mentioned about hers is that if you are on the phone and some
>try to call you and the network sends a signal to alert you, it cuts you
>off. With a main stream phone such as my Nokia 6670, things like that simply
>wouldn't happen, and if on the occasions that a bug that impacts on
>usability, then upgrades are normally made available and can be done locally
>(in the UK with in the town the owner lives in), what is the situation for
>firmware updates for the owasys? Does it have to be sent away? If so, how
>long will you be without a phone? Also is hardware such as the battery and
>charger a standard type charger (i.e. one of the common types used in other
>mobile phones)? If not, how much will replacement batteries cost when you
>need one?
>
>May be the people who have these are happy with what they have, but I
>question in my mind whether it really was the best choice for all of them.
>Did they just choose it because they believe it will be superior for them to
>use because the entire device was designed for the blind? Although main
>stream products may be equally usable (I have absolutely no problems with
>the keyboard on my nokia 6670 and I can think of other devices I have which
>I have which are main stream and are perfectly usable).
>
>From
>Michael Whapples
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:31 AM
>Subject: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone
>
>
> > Personally, I like my Nokia 3650, it doesn't work with cingular's 850 mhz
> > band, and I get random calls asking if jillian is around but I am free to
> > put whatever I want on my phone.
> > Not saying that you can't put stuf on the oasis but Nokia's way of doing
> > things is much more practical, because if the oasis's operating system
> > screws up, you have to send it in for repairs and with Nokia phones, there
> > is probably a local service center.
> > Stupid question, does the oasis work on the 850 mhz band?
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Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Michael Whapples]

There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
(possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks. Maybe in your case the
cost difference was greater, but for me buying a symbian phone and talks was
only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my feeling was the little extra
was worth having a phone which has a large user base, should have very few
bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done locally and not mean I will
be without my phone for any significant time, plenty of extras available if
I wanted something for my phone (and not just nokia originals), and the
specialist bit could be removed if there was any problem caused by that
leaving me with
a fully functional phone).

While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to
find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is
accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
visually designed so could never be accessible).

I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone
disagrees with what I have said.

From
Michael Whapples
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


>I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case 
>tthough, we needed the functionality.
>
> It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on  and 
> then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.
>

Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[David Poehlman]

Michael,

I also own a nokia 6620 phone.  I use that one too.  The issue I have  
with itt is that it just does too much that I'll never do or not much  
and the layout is complex and the menus are way complex.

On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Michael Whapples wrote:

There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
(possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks. Maybe in your  
case the
cost difference was greater, but for me buying a symbian phone and  
talks was
only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my feeling was the little  
extra
was worth having a phone which has a large user base, should have  
very few
bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done locally and not mean  
I will
be without my phone for any significant time, plenty of extras  
available if
I wanted something for my phone (and not just nokia originals), and the
specialist bit could be removed if there was any problem caused by that
leaving me with
a fully functional phone).

While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am  
struggling to
find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they  
believe is
accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
visually designed so could never be accessible).

I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if  
anyone
disagrees with what I have said.

From
Michael Whapples
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


> I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case
> tthough, we needed the functionality.
>
> It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on   
> and
> then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.
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RE: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Wil James]

Hi Michael
 
"There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
(possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks." 

If I remember correctly, you cannot text message with the LG4500 phones.

"Maybe in your case the cost difference was greater, but for me buying a
symbian phone and talks was only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my
feeling was the little extra was worth having a phone which has a large user
base, should have very few bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done
locally and not mean I will be without my phone for any significant time," 

Take into account, $199 for TALX for Cingular for a one year contract, and
$99 for a two year contract.  Toss in the cost of the phone, which can go
over $150.  yes, you go get credit for the Talx, but you have to shell out
the money in advance.  You're talking at least $250 to $400 just to get set
up with Talx.  MobileSpeak costs $399 itself.  The Owasys22C costs only
$200.00, less than half what you would pay for the other solutions out
there.
Who says a SIM card can't be sent to your address of you want updates?

"plenty of extras available if I wanted something for my phone (and not just
nokia originals), and the specialist bit could be removed if there was any
problem caused by that leaving me with a fully functional phone)."

What could you do with your phone if the specialist bit was removed?  Not
nearly what you could with it loaded.

"While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to
find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is
accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
visually designed so could never be accessible)."

Wrong in my case.  I have a computer, and I do use Windows.  It, too, has a
monitor, but I don't shy away from it just because pictures are displayed on
the monitor.  That's about the most vain thing I've heard.

"I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone
disagrees with what I have said."

I do see your points, and they're good ones for debate.

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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


>I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case 
>tthough, we needed the functionality.
>
> It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on  and 
> then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.
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RE: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[W. Nick Dotson]

I'll say it plainly, they'll have to pry my Owasys22C outa my cold dead fingers.  It does exactly what I want, accessories and firmware upgrade are currently 
available, I'm waiting for them to call for my card info, and it's small, does everything I need it to with a no fuss no muss package I could just charge up turn 
on and go with probably without ever having first read the manual, but I'm a tech support geek, and don't properly feel I own something and have the right 
to turn it on and play with it til I've done my duty and read the manual...

Nick

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:26:41 -0400, Wil James wrote:

 Hi Michael
  
 "There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
 (possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks." 

 If I remember correctly, you cannot text message with the LG4500 phones.

 "Maybe in your case the cost difference was greater, but for me buying a
 symbian phone and talks was only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my
 feeling was the little extra was worth having a phone which has a large user
 base, should have very few bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done
 locally and not mean I will be without my phone for any significant time," 

 Take into account, $199 for TALX for Cingular for a one year contract, and
 $99 for a two year contract.  Toss in the cost of the phone, which can go
 over $150.  yes, you go get credit for the Talx, but you have to shell out
 the money in advance.  You're talking at least $250 to $400 just to get set
 up with Talx.  MobileSpeak costs $399 itself.  The Owasys22C costs only
 $200.00, less than half what you would pay for the other solutions out
 there.
 Who says a SIM card can't be sent to your address of you want updates?

 "plenty of extras available if I wanted something for my phone (and not just
 nokia originals), and the specialist bit could be removed if there was any
 problem caused by that leaving me with a fully functional phone)."

 What could you do with your phone if the specialist bit was removed?  Not
 nearly what you could with it loaded.

 "While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
 Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
 equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to
 find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is
 accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
 visually designed so could never be accessible)."

 Wrong in my case.  I have a computer, and I do use Windows.  It, too, has a
 monitor, but I don't shy away from it just because pictures are displayed on
 the monitor.  That's about the most vain thing I've heard.

 "I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
 strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
 topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone
 disagrees with what I have said."

 I do see your points, and they're good ones for debate.

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 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


 >I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case 
 >tthough, we needed the functionality.
 >
 > It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on  and 
 > then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.
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Re: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Michael Whapples]

Wil James writes:
I think you mis-understood some of what I was saying.
> Hi Michael
>  
> "There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
> (possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks." 
> 
> If I remember correctly, you cannot text message with the LG4500 phones.
Is that one symbian, I can't find a mention of it on the symbian site, and 
talks site doesn't mention it.
> 
> "Maybe in your case the cost difference was greater, but for me buying a
> symbian phone and talks was only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my
> feeling was the little extra was worth having a phone which has a large user
> base, should have very few bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done
> locally and not mean I will be without my phone for any significant time," 
> 
> Take into account, $199 for TALX for Cingular for a one year contract, and
> $99 for a two year contract.  Toss in the cost of the phone, which can go
> over $150.  yes, you go get credit for the Talx, but you have to shell out
> the money in advance.  You're talking at least $250 to $400 just to get set
> up with Talx.  MobileSpeak costs $399 itself.  The Owasys22C costs only
> $200.00, less than half what you would pay for the other solutions out
> there.
Different in the UK for me. RNIB has the Owasys for £299.00, where as 
searching the internet at the time I was buying, I could buy a sim-free 
symbian phone for around £160 + talks at £150 leading to a difference of 
£10 (only 1/30 increase over Owasys).
> Who says a SIM card can't be sent to your address of you want updates?
Can firmware updates be sent on a sim card? Never heard of that before.
> 
> "plenty of extras available if I wanted something for my phone (and not just
> nokia originals), and the specialist bit could be removed if there was any
> problem caused by that leaving me with a fully functional phone)."
> 
> What could you do with your phone if the specialist bit was removed?  Not
> nearly what you could with it loaded.
Admittedly usability would be reduced, but at least I could use a properly 
functioning phone, unlike the the problem that my aunt has with the Owasys 
which impacts on usability (see earlier posting about that).
> 
> "While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
> Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
> equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to
> find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is
> accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
> visually designed so could never be accessible)."
> 
> Wrong in my case.  I have a computer, and I do use Windows.  It, too, has a
> monitor, but I don't shy away from it just because pictures are displayed on
> the monitor.  That's about the most vain thing I've heard.
Well you don't fall in that category, but I think there some out there. May 
be the wording was poor as well. An example of that screen thing is the ipod 
shuffle, why was that more accessible than something like my iRiver (before 
rockbox), did the ipod have more features accessible? May be it 
requires someone with a bit of confidence to use a device where there are 
menus that you could get lost in to just be sure that you are able to count 
cursor presses and get where you mean. 

> "I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
> strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
> topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone
> disagrees with what I have said."
> 
> I do see your points, and they're good ones for debate.
> 
Alot of what I have said may not apply to some people, but as I have tried 
to stress, there are some who don't always choose things because of actual 
suitability, but on belief of suitability. May be here isn't the place to 
try and convince people that some of their beliefs are not always correct 
and they can do more.

Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Farhan]

The problem, with symbian based phones in the united states are.
1. most phones supported by cingular.. well it sort of doesn't happen.
For example, cingular runns the 850 mhz band, most Nokia new phones don't run 850 the only phones that I know of that run that are the 6620 and the 6682.
2. If you buy talks from cingular, with that rebate, your going to get a substanderd version of talks, some 2.11 version that you can't upgrade if you wanted to.
I would spend about $80 on a new phone and the full price for talks premium. I would want all the functionality that I could use in my phone. I'm not saying I have a lot of money to throw around, this is what I would of done if I had.
My current configuration is a Nokia 3650 with talks premium and i got it for $125
On 7/19/2006 at 14:20 Wil James said
Hi Michael
 
"There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
(possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks." 

If I remember correctly, you cannot text message with the LG4500 phones.

"Maybe in your case the cost difference was greater, but for me buying a
symbian phone and talks was only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my
feeling was the little extra was worth having a phone which has a large user
base, should have very few bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done
locally and not mean I will be without my phone for any significant time," 

Take into account, $199 for TALX for Cingular for a one year contract, and
$99 for a two year contract.  Toss in the cost of the phone, which can go
over $150.  yes, you go get credit for the Talx, but you have to shell out
the money in advance.  You're talking at least $250 to $400 just to get set
up with Talx.  MobileSpeak costs $399 itself.  The Owasys22C costs only
$200.00, less than half what you would pay for the other solutions out
there.
Who says a SIM card can't be sent to your address of you want updates?

"plenty of extras available if I wanted something for my phone (and not just
nokia originals), and the specialist bit could be removed if there was any
problem caused by that leaving me with a fully functional phone)."

What could you do with your phone if the specialist bit was removed?  Not
nearly what you could with it loaded.

"While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to
find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is
accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
visually designed so could never be accessible)."

Wrong in my case.  I have a computer, and I do use Windows.  It, too, has a
monitor, but I don't shy away from it just because pictures are displayed on
the monitor.  That's about the most vain thing I've heard.

"I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone
disagrees with what I have said."

I do see your points, and they're good ones for debate.

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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


>I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case 
>tthough, we needed the functionality.
>
> It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on  and 
> then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.
>

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Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Farhan]

How are the menus complex in a symbian based phone?
I'm not trying  to attack you or anything, i'm generally curious, I had know problem figuring out how to use my phone the first day I got it.
On 7/19/2006 at 14:24 David Poehlman said
Michael,

I also own a nokia 6620 phone.  I use that one too.  The issue I have  
with itt is that it just does too much that I'll never do or not much  
and the layout is complex and the menus are way complex.

On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Michael Whapples wrote:

There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
(possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks. Maybe in your  
case the
cost difference was greater, but for me buying a symbian phone and  
talks was
only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my feeling was the little  
extra
was worth having a phone which has a large user base, should have  
very few
bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done locally and not mean  
I will
be without my phone for any significant time, plenty of extras  
available if
I wanted something for my phone (and not just nokia originals), and the
specialist bit could be removed if there was any problem caused by that
leaving me with
a fully functional phone).

While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am  
struggling to
find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they  
believe is
accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
visually designed so could never be accessible).

I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if  
anyone
disagrees with what I have said.

From
Michael Whapples
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


> I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case
> tthough, we needed the functionality.
>
> It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on   
> and
> then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.
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Re: Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[David Poehlman]

Compared to the oasis, they are complex.  For instance, to sset the  
alarm on my 6620, I have to press the menu bbutton, find the extras  
folder, open it, find the clocck, open it, choose options, activate  
set alarm, type in the digits, clickk done, exit exit....
It's doable, just unweildy.  Of course, that's an unfaiir comparison,  
the oasis has no alarm.  HHowever, my main ppoint of comparison is  
that the oasis is simple and basic and embedded.  My 6620 is feature  
rich but complex and had to have talks loaded on it.

On Jul 19, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Farhan wrote:

How are the menus complex in a symbian based phone?
I'm not trying  to attack you or anything, i'm generally curious, I  
had know problem figuring out how to use my phone the first day I got  
it.
On 7/19/2006 at 14:24 David Poehlman said
Michael,

I also own a nokia 6620 phone.  I use that one too.  The issue I have
with itt is that it just does too much that I'll never do or not much
and the layout is complex and the menus are way complex.

On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Michael Whapples wrote:

There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
(possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks. Maybe in your
case the
cost difference was greater, but for me buying a symbian phone and
talks was
only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my feeling was the little
extra
was worth having a phone which has a large user base, should have
very few
bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done locally and not mean
I will
be without my phone for any significant time, plenty of extras
available if
I wanted something for my phone (and not just nokia originals), and the
specialist bit could be removed if there was any problem caused by that
leaving me with
a fully functional phone).

While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am
struggling to
find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they
believe is
accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
visually designed so could never be accessible).

I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if
anyone
disagrees with what I have said.

From
Michael Whapples
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


> I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case
> tthough, we needed the functionality.
>
> It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on
> and
> then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.
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Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Gregory Nowak]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Can you please explain what you mean when you say you're waiting for
them to call and get your card info? Do you mean that in order to get
a firmware upgrade, you need to give them info about your SIM card?
If so, then what kind of info, and why? That doesn't make sense
currently. Am I reading too much into this perhaps, and do you simply
mean credit card info? In that case, I thought that firmware upgrades
to most phones were generally free.

Greg


On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 10:17:33AM -0500, W. Nick Dotson wrote:
> I'll say it plainly, they'll have to pry my Owasys22C outa my cold dead fingers.  It does exactly what I want, accessories and firmware upgrade are currently 
> available, I'm waiting for them to call for my card info, and it's small, does everything I need it to with a no fuss no muss package I could just charge up turn 
> on and go with probably without ever having first read the manual, but I'm a tech support geek, and don't properly feel I own something and have the right 
> to turn it on and play with it til I've done my duty and read the manual...
> 
> Nick
> 

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Re: Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Sean M McMahon]

Yes, all the menus is something of a drawback to the 6620.  You can move 
stuff out of folders to make them seperate menu items and you can choose 
the number of the item you want if it is an item 1 through 9 in the 
current list.  How do you perform firmware upgrades on phones?  the oasis 
is the first one I've heard of where this is possable.  Is that something 
you'd want to do?

Re: Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Sean M McMahon]

Cingular runns in 850MHZ and 1900MHZ according to gsmworld.com
Also, When I talked to folks at cingular they indicated I could just 
upgrade the version of talks if I wanted.  However, true this isn't the 
premium version containing the other applications.

Re: Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Adam Myrow]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Poehlman wrote:

> Compared to the oasis, they are complex.  For instance, to sset the
> alarm on my 6620, I have to press the menu bbutton, find the extras
> folder, open it, find the clocck, open it, choose options, activate
> set alarm, type in the digits, clickk done, exit exit....
> It's doable, just unweildy.

It's possible, at least with the older 3650, and I would assume with newer 
phones as well, to assign the two "soft keys" to two frequently-used 
programs.  Those are the keys that Talks calls "key 1" and "key 2."  I 
assigned key 1 to the alarm clock, and key 2 to the log program.  The 
defaults were camera and something called "t-zones," which I think is 
t-mobile specific.

Re: Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Gregory Nowak]

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> The 
> defaults were camera and something called "t-zones," which I think is 
> t-mobile specific.
> 

Yes, t-zones is t-mobiles web, or should I say wap browser from what I
know.

Greg




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Re: Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Michael Whapples]

In fact for the 6670 you can have even more shortcuts, the two soft keys, 
and all the different presses of the navigation key, giving 7 customer 
definable shortcut keys.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Myrow" <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone


> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Poehlman wrote:
>
>> Compared to the oasis, they are complex.  For instance, to sset the
>> alarm on my 6620, I have to press the menu bbutton, find the extras
>> folder, open it, find the clocck, open it, choose options, activate
>> set alarm, type in the digits, clickk done, exit exit....
>> It's doable, just unweildy.
>
> It's possible, at least with the older 3650, and I would assume with newer 
> phones as well, to assign the two "soft keys" to two frequently-used 
> programs.  Those are the keys that Talks calls "key 1" and "key 2."  I 
> assigned key 1 to the alarm clock, and key 2 to the log program.  The 
> defaults were camera and something called "t-zones," which I think is 
> t-mobile specific.
>
>
>
> 

Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Janina Sajka]

I don't know about your specific experience, but I frequently get calls
on my 22C while I'm using it, and getting that second call does not cut
off the first one.

In fact, I generally answer the second call simply by pressing the Send
key, and I sometimes conference the two calls together by pressing 3
Send.

Janina

Michael Whapples writes:
> Hello,
> I will try and stay away from some of my thoughts on most specifically made 
> for the blind devices when making some comments on this, but it may be hard 
> for me.
> 
> Some times these things have bugs that simply shouldn't be there, one that 
> my Aunt has mentioned about hers is that if you are on the phone and some 
> try to call you and the network sends a signal to alert you, it cuts you 
> off. With a main stream phone such as my Nokia 6670, things like that simply 
> wouldn't happen, and if on the occasions that a bug that impacts on 
> usability, then upgrades are normally made available and can be done locally 
> (in the UK with in the town the owner lives in), what is the situation for 
> firmware updates for the owasys? Does it have to be sent away? If so, how 
> long will you be without a phone? Also is hardware such as the battery and 
> charger a standard type charger (i.e. one of the common types used in other 
> mobile phones)? If not, how much will replacement batteries cost when you 
> need one?
> 
> May be the people who have these are happy with what they have, but I 
> question in my mind whether it really was the best choice for all of them. 
> Did they just choose it because they believe it will be superior for them to 
> use because the entire device was designed for the blind? Although main 
> stream products may be equally usable (I have absolutely no problems with 
> the keyboard on my nokia 6670 and I can think of other devices I have which 
> I have which are main stream and are perfectly usable).
> 
> From
> Michael Whapples
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone
> 
> 
> > Personally, I like my Nokia 3650, it doesn't work with cingular's 850 mhz 
> > band, and I get random calls asking if jillian is around but I am free to 
> > put whatever I want on my phone.
> > Not saying that you can't put stuf on the oasis but Nokia's way of doing 
> > things is much more practical, because if the oasis's operating system 
> > screws up, you have to send it in for repairs and with Nokia phones, there 
> > is probably a local service center.
> > Stupid question, does the oasis work on the 850 mhz band?
> >
> > On 7/17/2006 at 5:26 Lorenzo Taylor said
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> > I saw one of these at the ACB convention last week.  Except for the
> > voice, the screenless phone has the functionality of the free phones
> > provided when you get a contract with most companies, but at a price of
> > $199 with 2-year contract with t-mobile.  It's big, it's fat, and it is
> > an extremely basic phone providing only a very few features that I have
> > come to expect in a cell phone at less than half its price.
> >
> > Just my personal experience,
> > Lorenzo
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Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone

[Janina Sajka]

We have never insisted that everyone needs to use the same thing,
whatever that thing is. If you're happy with your Nokia--more power to
you.

However, the Owasys 22C offers things your Nokia never will, and for
some of us those things are important such as the large, readily
identifable buttons.

PS: I don't know of any product that doesn't have bugs, including
products from TALX and NOkia. I also take exception to your suggestion
that the 22C somehow has more bugs. I strongly disagree with that, if
that's what you're suggesting.


Michael Whapples writes:
> There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality
> (possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks. Maybe in your case the
> cost difference was greater, but for me buying a symbian phone and talks was
> only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my feeling was the little extra
> was worth having a phone which has a large user base, should have very few
> bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done locally and not mean I will
> be without my phone for any significant time, plenty of extras available if
> I wanted something for my phone (and not just nokia originals), and the
> specialist bit could be removed if there was any problem caused by that
> leaving me with
> a fully functional phone).
> 
> While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an
> Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but
> equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to
> find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is
> accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been
> visually designed so could never be accessible).
> 
> I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my
> strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on
> topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone
> disagrees with what I have said.
> 
> From
> Michael Whapples
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone
> 
> 
> >I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible.  In our case 
> >tthough, we needed the functionality.
> >
> > It's new, many things start out as new.  Hopefully it'lll catch on  and 
> > then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded.
> >
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