From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.105]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1G3Anm-0004Ma-00 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:05:18 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.80]) by bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:04:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:04:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 128.243.220.22 by BAY103-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:04:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.243.220.22] X-Originating-Email: [mikster4@msn.com] X-Sender: mikster4@msn.com From: "Michael Whapples" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <011d01c6a86d$1631c560$0201a8c0@max2><20060717041632.GB22817@taylor.homelinux.net><1795847997.20060717053117@gmail.com> <1CFBA883-4160-4F6D-AE4C-772389B6A9F8@handsontechnologeyes.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:04:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2006 12:04:46.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[87315B20:01C6AB2B] X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:05:18 -0000 There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality (possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks. Maybe in your case the cost difference was greater, but for me buying a symbian phone and talks was only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my feeling was the little extra was worth having a phone which has a large user base, should have very few bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done locally and not mean I will be without my phone for any significant time, plenty of extras available if I wanted something for my phone (and not just nokia originals), and the specialist bit could be removed if there was any problem caused by that leaving me with a fully functional phone). While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been visually designed so could never be accessible). I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone disagrees with what I have said. From Michael Whapples ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone >I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible. In our case >tthough, we needed the functionality. > > It's new, many things start out as new. Hopefully it'lll catch on and > then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded. >