From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from opera.rednote.net ([70.84.142.212]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1GA7yS-00076W-00 for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:29:04 -0400 Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k77GSthf011251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:03 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k77GStZf011250 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:28:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:28:55 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone Message-ID: <20060807162855.GB5565@rednote.net> References: <1CFBA883-4160-4F6D-AE4C-772389B6A9F8@handsontechnologeyes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 2.6.17-1.2157_FC5spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:29:05 -0000 We have never insisted that everyone needs to use the same thing, whatever that thing is. If you're happy with your Nokia--more power to you. However, the Owasys 22C offers things your Nokia never will, and for some of us those things are important such as the large, readily identifable buttons. PS: I don't know of any product that doesn't have bugs, including products from TALX and NOkia. I also take exception to your suggestion that the 22C somehow has more bugs. I strongly disagree with that, if that's what you're suggesting. Michael Whapples writes: > There are alternatives to the Owasys which offer the same functionality > (possibly more), such as a symbian phone and talks. Maybe in your case the > cost difference was greater, but for me buying a symbian phone and talks was > only marginly more expensive than a Owasys (my feeling was the little extra > was worth having a phone which has a large user base, should have very few > bugs, and if any updates are needed can be done locally and not mean I will > be without my phone for any significant time, plenty of extras available if > I wanted something for my phone (and not just nokia originals), and the > specialist bit could be removed if there was any problem caused by that > leaving me with > a fully functional phone). > > While all that seems very negative about it, I will accept for some an > Owasys may be the correct choice (may be you fall in that category), but > equally I feel that some choose it for the wrong reason (I am struggling to > find quite the wording I want, reasons such as it is what they believe is > accessible to them, because they think things with a screen has been > visually designed so could never be accessible). > > I feel I now need to try and restrain myself as I am getting close to my > strong feelings, and I don't really feel this is really sufficiently on > topic for this list. We may just have to agree to differ on this if anyone > disagrees with what I have said. > > From > Michael Whapples > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Poehlman" > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Owasys 22C Screenless Cellphone > > > >I will buy and use off the shelf products when possible. In our case > >tthough, we needed the functionality. > > > > It's new, many things start out as new. Hopefully it'lll catch on and > > then we'll have a product we can use that is truly embedded. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.595.7777 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org