Speakup with vim

Speakup with vim

[Michael Whapples]

Hello,
Seeing some of the packages available for vim and emacs, I have decided 
I really should get on and start using one of those editors a bit more. 
I seem to get on a bit better with the controls for vim so that is the 
one I am putting more effort into learning.

Now what I want to know is what can be done to make vim work better with 
speakup? I am sure there are other things so if anyone has a link to a 
page giving some useful information then that would be good.

The one problem I notice most is that when I go into insert mode as I 
type speakup seems to read from the status line rather than the 
characters typed. Also related, when using j and k to move lines speakup 
reads the status line as well rather than the line being moved to.

Putting the editor things to one side (there's plenty of information out 
there for me to decide on that), would anyone suggest that may be vim is 
not the way to go for best results with speakup/speech output, might 
emacs be a better route to go?

Michael Whapples

Re: Speakup with vim

[Samuel Thibault]

Michael Whapples, le Mon 14 Feb 2011 09:10:39 +0000, a écrit :
> The one problem I notice most is that when I go into insert mode as I 
> type speakup seems to read from the status line rather than the 
> characters typed. Also related, when using j and k to move lines speakup 
> reads the status line as well rather than the line being moved to.

See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/vi to fix these.

Samuel

Re: Speakup with vim

[Michael Whapples]

Thanks, that solves the specific issue. I still wonder if there is more 
which can be done to make vim work better, eg. using j and k (I can 
imagine they actually are quicker to use than cursor keys when you are 
used to them) speakup doesn't speak the new line you navigate to unless 
the screen is scrolling.

Is this as good as speech output gets with vim? Might it be worth me 
giving emacs (may be with emacspeak) more time?

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Michael Whapples, le Mon 14 Feb 2011 09:10:39 +0000, a écrit :
>> The one problem I notice most is that when I go into insert mode as I
>> type speakup seems to read from the status line rather than the
>> characters typed. Also related, when using j and k to move lines speakup
>> reads the status line as well rather than the line being moved to.
> See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/vi to fix these.
>
> Samuel
>

RE: Speakup with vim

[Albert Sten-Clanton]

I liked the way Speakup worked with Emacs better than the way it works with
VIM.  I started out using Emacs.  I found the main drawback in Emacs for me
to be the multi-key combinations needed to do a lot of things:  it actually
was easier for me to adjust to Vim's different modes, although forgetting
which one you're in can punch your face good.  Also, I could not seem to
find in Emacs the means of saving word wrap and margin settings I wanted.  I
may be wrong, but my impression is that, like Emacspeak, Emacs itself has
quite the learning curve.

Just my wooden penny's worth.

Al 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Michael Whapples
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 2:51 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Speakup with vim

Thanks, that solves the specific issue. I still wonder if there is more
which can be done to make vim work better, eg. using j and k (I can imagine
they actually are quicker to use than cursor keys when you are used to them)
speakup doesn't speak the new line you navigate to unless the screen is
scrolling.

Is this as good as speech output gets with vim? Might it be worth me giving
emacs (may be with emacspeak) more time?

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Michael Whapples, le Mon 14 Feb 2011 09:10:39 +0000, a écrit :
>> The one problem I notice most is that when I go into insert mode as I 
>> type speakup seems to read from the status line rather than the 
>> characters typed. Also related, when using j and k to move lines 
>> speakup reads the status line as well rather than the line being moved
to.
> See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/vi to fix these.
>
> Samuel
>

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RE: Speakup with vim

[Michael Whapples]

Al, I think your comments generally reflect what I am getting the 
feeling of. I possibly have one other issue making emacs harder, not 
only are there all those multiple key presses but any involving ctrl is 
made harder by my computers' positioning of the ctrl key, shifted right 
by one key because there is a FN key living in the bottom left of my 
keyboards.

I'll probably experiment around more with vim and may be other vi 
variants as I do feel the editor itself is more comfortable to use (yes 
the mode thing is something which catches me out from time to time but I 
guess over time I will just get used to the idea of the different 
modes). I've heard that yasr possibly works better with vim in some cases.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote:
> I liked the way Speakup worked with Emacs better than the way it works with
> VIM.  I started out using Emacs.  I found the main drawback in Emacs for me
> to be the multi-key combinations needed to do a lot of things:  it actually
> was easier for me to adjust to Vim's different modes, although forgetting
> which one you're in can punch your face good.  Also, I could not seem to
> find in Emacs the means of saving word wrap and margin settings I wanted.  I
> may be wrong, but my impression is that, like Emacspeak, Emacs itself has
> quite the learning curve.
>
> Just my wooden penny's worth.
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Michael Whapples
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Speakup with vim
>
> Thanks, that solves the specific issue. I still wonder if there is more
> which can be done to make vim work better, eg. using j and k (I can imagine
> they actually are quicker to use than cursor keys when you are used to them)
> speakup doesn't speak the new line you navigate to unless the screen is
> scrolling.
>
> Is this as good as speech output gets with vim? Might it be worth me giving
> emacs (may be with emacspeak) more time?
>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Michael Whapples, le Mon 14 Feb 2011 09:10:39 +0000, a écrit :
>>> The one problem I notice most is that when I go into insert mode as I
>>> type speakup seems to read from the status line rather than the
>>> characters typed. Also related, when using j and k to move lines
>>> speakup reads the status line as well rather than the line being moved
> to.
>> See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/vi to fix these.
>>
>> Samuel
>>
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Re: Speakup with vim

[Bardia Zakeri]

how i can install modules for speakup on ubuntu?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:41 PM
Subject: RE: Speakup with vim


Al, I think your comments generally reflect what I am getting the
feeling of. I possibly have one other issue making emacs harder, not
only are there all those multiple key presses but any involving ctrl is
made harder by my computers' positioning of the ctrl key, shifted right
by one key because there is a FN key living in the bottom left of my
keyboards.

I'll probably experiment around more with vim and may be other vi
variants as I do feel the editor itself is more comfortable to use (yes
the mode thing is something which catches me out from time to time but I
guess over time I will just get used to the idea of the different
modes). I've heard that yasr possibly works better with vim in some cases.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote:
> I liked the way Speakup worked with Emacs better than the way it works 
> with
> VIM.  I started out using Emacs.  I found the main drawback in Emacs for 
> me
> to be the multi-key combinations needed to do a lot of things:  it 
> actually
> was easier for me to adjust to Vim's different modes, although forgetting
> which one you're in can punch your face good.  Also, I could not seem to
> find in Emacs the means of saving word wrap and margin settings I wanted. 
> I
> may be wrong, but my impression is that, like Emacspeak, Emacs itself has
> quite the learning curve.
>
> Just my wooden penny's worth.
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Michael Whapples
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Speakup with vim
>
> Thanks, that solves the specific issue. I still wonder if there is more
> which can be done to make vim work better, eg. using j and k (I can 
> imagine
> they actually are quicker to use than cursor keys when you are used to 
> them)
> speakup doesn't speak the new line you navigate to unless the screen is
> scrolling.
>
> Is this as good as speech output gets with vim? Might it be worth me 
> giving
> emacs (may be with emacspeak) more time?
>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Michael Whapples, le Mon 14 Feb 2011 09:10:39 +0000, a écrit :
>>> The one problem I notice most is that when I go into insert mode as I
>>> type speakup seems to read from the status line rather than the
>>> characters typed. Also related, when using j and k to move lines
>>> speakup reads the status line as well rather than the line being moved
> to.
>> See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/vi to fix these.
>>
>> Samuel
>>
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Re: Speakup with vim

[Bardia Zakeri]

how i can  repair the sound on ubuntu in my maskine i had windows and ubuntu 
wen i in ubuntu i cant hear sound but in windows and how i can write @ in 
linux wen i press altgr and 2 my ubuntu say sperskript 2
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:41 PM
Subject: RE: Speakup with vim


Al, I think your comments generally reflect what I am getting the
feeling of. I possibly have one other issue making emacs harder, not
only are there all those multiple key presses but any involving ctrl is
made harder by my computers' positioning of the ctrl key, shifted right
by one key because there is a FN key living in the bottom left of my
keyboards.

I'll probably experiment around more with vim and may be other vi
variants as I do feel the editor itself is more comfortable to use (yes
the mode thing is something which catches me out from time to time but I
guess over time I will just get used to the idea of the different
modes). I've heard that yasr possibly works better with vim in some cases.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote:
> I liked the way Speakup worked with Emacs better than the way it works 
> with
> VIM.  I started out using Emacs.  I found the main drawback in Emacs for 
> me
> to be the multi-key combinations needed to do a lot of things:  it 
> actually
> was easier for me to adjust to Vim's different modes, although forgetting
> which one you're in can punch your face good.  Also, I could not seem to
> find in Emacs the means of saving word wrap and margin settings I wanted. 
> I
> may be wrong, but my impression is that, like Emacspeak, Emacs itself has
> quite the learning curve.
>
> Just my wooden penny's worth.
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Michael Whapples
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Speakup with vim
>
> Thanks, that solves the specific issue. I still wonder if there is more
> which can be done to make vim work better, eg. using j and k (I can 
> imagine
> they actually are quicker to use than cursor keys when you are used to 
> them)
> speakup doesn't speak the new line you navigate to unless the screen is
> scrolling.
>
> Is this as good as speech output gets with vim? Might it be worth me 
> giving
> emacs (may be with emacspeak) more time?
>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Michael Whapples, le Mon 14 Feb 2011 09:10:39 +0000, a écrit :
>>> The one problem I notice most is that when I go into insert mode as I
>>> type speakup seems to read from the status line rather than the
>>> characters typed. Also related, when using j and k to move lines
>>> speakup reads the status line as well rather than the line being moved
> to.
>> See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/vi to fix these.
>>
>> Samuel
>>
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