From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ew0-f42.google.com (mail-ew0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AAAC1A2DD for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so505532ewy.29 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:52:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:disposition-notification-to:x-mimeole; bh=E76pkXCZYx5vmGZElrB3jVOzpHcy+OnRS3QsJo8/eHI=; b=nndA5JTlvBi51GDNYiuhLbgg0pBcZcBmkXWPIZxKmyQj/di6r+oDpDdPqee/4ISf/e zAAc4AiGH7HNJrgRQD0OiTy+UXE4aL4BpRK/xNsCenAaZwWhLXMckGMII737ac6BpR8c IuSJQkU9Rlh89/+Kb62nsmfFOjs3pJyLS+v3o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:disposition-notification-to:x-mimeole; b=xYg5N47VmAw7Hz/Wd+eduHnlHS1u1xilbQfvlGbDGCDGNB/euJu9XW5g56GcqxlKMu tG4JNsWcS/vcjQLDWM95Ingdg6pG/vAZnOgUdMsFFpPlq7KrppfcawDJUu8G69X2agzt tQE10DRJfCeb4/JqBYxmLSe0d4lZ9KUKuk43E= Received: by 10.14.45.79 with SMTP id o55mr865459eeb.24.1297875133631; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from SN414201680235 (s83-187-157-90.cust.tele2.se [83.187.157.90]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x54sm191148eeh.23.2011.02.16.08.52.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:52:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D7E5A21B21448A7B54B1653969F3C7B@SN414201680235> From: "Bardia Zakeri" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <4D58F18F.6040103@aim.com><20110214092915.GE8120@const.bordeaux.inria.fr><4D598790.2040406@aim.com> <4D5B0122.7040604@aim.com> Subject: Re: Speakup with vim Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:52:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:52:20 -0000 how i can install modules for speakup on ubuntu? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:41 PM Subject: RE: Speakup with vim Al, I think your comments generally reflect what I am getting the feeling of. I possibly have one other issue making emacs harder, not only are there all those multiple key presses but any involving ctrl is made harder by my computers' positioning of the ctrl key, shifted right by one key because there is a FN key living in the bottom left of my keyboards. I'll probably experiment around more with vim and may be other vi variants as I do feel the editor itself is more comfortable to use (yes the mode thing is something which catches me out from time to time but I guess over time I will just get used to the idea of the different modes). I've heard that yasr possibly works better with vim in some cases. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote: > I liked the way Speakup worked with Emacs better than the way it works > with > VIM. I started out using Emacs. I found the main drawback in Emacs for > me > to be the multi-key combinations needed to do a lot of things: it > actually > was easier for me to adjust to Vim's different modes, although forgetting > which one you're in can punch your face good. Also, I could not seem to > find in Emacs the means of saving word wrap and margin settings I wanted. > I > may be wrong, but my impression is that, like Emacspeak, Emacs itself has > quite the learning curve. > > Just my wooden penny's worth. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 2:51 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Speakup with vim > > Thanks, that solves the specific issue. I still wonder if there is more > which can be done to make vim work better, eg. using j and k (I can > imagine > they actually are quicker to use than cursor keys when you are used to > them) > speakup doesn't speak the new line you navigate to unless the screen is > scrolling. > > Is this as good as speech output gets with vim? Might it be worth me > giving > emacs (may be with emacspeak) more time? > > Michael Whapples > On -10/01/37 20:59, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> Michael Whapples, le Mon 14 Feb 2011 09:10:39 +0000, a écrit : >>> The one problem I notice most is that when I go into insert mode as I >>> type speakup seems to read from the status line rather than the >>> characters typed. Also related, when using j and k to move lines >>> speakup reads the status line as well rather than the line being moved > to. >> See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/vi to fix these. >> >> Samuel >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup