* Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
@ Janina Sajka
` David Poehlman
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From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
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AOL in Negotiations to Acquire Red Hat
Deal for Distributor of Linux Operating System Could Lead to a New Challenge
of Microsoft
By Alec Klein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, January 19, 2002; Page E01
AOL Time Warner Inc. is in talks to buy Red Hat Inc., a prominent
distributor of a computer operating system, an acquisition that would
position the media giant to challenge archrival Microsoft Corp., according
to sources familiar with the matter.
Red Hat, a publicly traded firm based in Durham, N.C., sells products and
services based on the Linux operating system, the freely available software
developed collaboratively by volunteers. Linux is designed for a wide
variety of gear, running corporate computer servers and consumer devices
such as personal computers, cell phones and video games.
The Red Hat negotiations -- which are still fluid -- are the latest
indication that AOL Time Warner, the world's largest media company, is
looking for alternatives to software made by Microsoft, whose Windows
operating system runs 90 percent of the world's PCs. The longtime
competitors have fought over an array of rival consumer technologies lately,
including online subscription services, instant-messaging systems and
Web-based video and audio players.
Officials of AOL, Red Hat and Microsoft declined to comment.
To counter Microsoft's desktop hegemony, New York-based AOL Time Warner
could use the deal to couple its America Online software, the market leader
with more than 33 million Internet subscribers, with Red Hat's
operating-system technology, sources said.
The AOL online software, which consumers can install free from the Web or a
compact disk, is now designed to run on Microsoft's Windows operating
system. But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and
launch a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said.
With such a move, AOL Time Warner could potentially make significant inroads
into Microsoft's bread-and-butter business. An even greater challenge to
Microsoft would be for AOL Time Warner to develop a rival operating system
that works exclusively with the media giant's own Internet service provider,
its Web browser or proprietary content.
This is not the first time AOL Time Warner has explored alternatives to
Windows. There were rumblings last year, during a flash point in the rivalry
between the two tech titans, when AOL Time Warner was scouting for an
acquisition or partnership with a firm that could provide a competing
operating system.
AOL Time Warner has already tried to counteract Microsoft on other fronts,
including rebuilding its Netscape Web browser business to better compete
against Microsoft's dominant Internet Explorer. Netscape technology has been
incorporated into a Gateway Inc. tabletop Internet terminal and Sony Corp.'s
PlayStation 2 video-game console. Linux also runs the Sony product.
It was unclear yesterday how much money Red Hat could fetch. With a market
capitalization of about $1.45 billion and about 600 employees worldwide, Red
Hat reported $68.2 million in revenue in the nine months ended Nov. 30, down
10 percent over the same period a year earlier.
The software company reported a profit of $1.8 million, or a penny per
share, in the nine months, compared with a loss of $10 million, or six cents
a share, in the year-ago period.
Red Hat makes its money by packaging Linux for commercial and consumer use
and by providing services and support to customers who use it. The operating
system itself is freely available on the Internet -- thanks to an initiative
by a programmer named Linus Torvalds who organized volunteers to write the
original source code. Unlike Microsoft, which does not fully divulge its
code, the Linux code is available to anyone who agrees to make modifications
publicly available.
Linux has yet to be adopted widely by consumers, largely because it requires
some technical proficiency to install. But it is popular with the tech crowd
and, according to industry estimates, runs about 30 percent of all computers
servers -- the powerful computers that function as hubs on a network.
Red Hat has claimed such big clients as Amazon.com Inc. and International
Business Machines Corp., providing software and support for IBM servers that
use the Linux operating system.
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
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* Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner? Janina Sajka
@ ` David Poehlman
` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
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From: David Poehlman @ UTC (permalink / raw)
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but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on it
and lock it in.
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From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on it
> and lock it in.
>
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* Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
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@ ` Charles Crawford
` David Poehlman
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From: Charles Crawford @ UTC (permalink / raw)
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I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to demand
that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do the
migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
-- Charlie.
>Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
>
>On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
>
> > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on it
> > and lock it in.
> >
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` Charles Crawford
@ ` David Poehlman
` Steve Holmes
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From: David Poehlman @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I'm with you charlie. aol currently does not have a command line
interface to there services and even if they did, I'd bet most of them
are only accessible through a gui so we would have a huge fight to gain
access to aol in this manner.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <CCrawford@ACB.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to
demand
that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do the
migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
-- Charlie.
>Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
>
>On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
>
> > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on
it
> > and lock it in.
> >
> >
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` Charles Crawford
` David Poehlman
@ ` Steve Holmes
` Victor Tsaran
` Kirk Wood
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From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
That's what makes competition so important. If AOL buys up Red Hat and
ruins it like they do everything else, Just go to a different distro!
While doing this, those who enjoy using Red Hat's environment should then
write to AOL and tell them how they are switching to a different product.
I for one, never use anything with AOL in it! I don't like their
proprietary stance on so many things and how they fuck up every computer
their software touches. Case in point, just look at any computer that has
the AOL internet explorer and other components on it. I've talked to
numerous people who installed AOL and how much trouble they had with their
systems and how they couldn't get all the stuff out when trying to remove
AOL. IF Red Hat goes down that path, I wouldn't go near it with a ten
foot pole!
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Charles Crawford wrote:
> I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to demand
> that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do the
> migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
> forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
>
> -- Charlie.
>
> >Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
> >
> >On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> >
> > > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on it
> > > and lock it in.
> > >
> > >
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` Steve Holmes
@ ` Victor Tsaran
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From: Victor Tsaran @ UTC (permalink / raw)
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Two hands in favor of the statement below.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
> That's what makes competition so important. If AOL buys up Red Hat and
> ruins it like they do everything else, Just go to a different distro!
> While doing this, those who enjoy using Red Hat's environment should then
> write to AOL and tell them how they are switching to a different product.
>
> I for one, never use anything with AOL in it! I don't like their
> proprietary stance on so many things and how they fuck up every computer
> their software touches. Case in point, just look at any computer that has
> the AOL internet explorer and other components on it. I've talked to
> numerous people who installed AOL and how much trouble they had with their
> systems and how they couldn't get all the stuff out when trying to remove
> AOL. IF Red Hat goes down that path, I wouldn't go near it with a ten
> foot pole!
>
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Charles Crawford wrote:
>
> > I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to
demand
> > that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do the
> > migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
> > forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
> >
> > -- Charlie.
> >
> > >Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
> > >
> > >On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> > >
> > > > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on
it
> > > > and lock it in.
> > > >
> > > >
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* Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
` Charles Crawford
` David Poehlman
` Steve Holmes
@ ` Kirk Wood
` BTBG
` Need Moderator Help BTBG
` Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner? Thomas Ward
` Victor Tsaran
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From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Charles Crawford wrote:
> I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to demand
> that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do the
> migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
> forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
Yep, AOL will revoke the GPL lisense and render it null and void. They
will re-write the entire linux work making the gui inseperable from the
OS. They will make it so you can no longer download the OS for free. In
fact, they will modify it such taht those of us already running linux will
have to pay amonthly fee to prevent our computers from blowing up and
setting our houses on fire.
Get a fucking grip people. First, most everything in the base OS has been
released under GPL. Thus, anyone can build from there. Second, there is no
way to make the gui so integrated that the cammand line can't be had in
linux. That would require a re-write of the entire OS. Third, contrary to
popular rumor the secret plan to make blind people work in salt mines was
abandonded last week.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
Nowlan's Theory:
He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
the next freeway exit.
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` Kirk Wood
@ ` BTBG
` Need Moderator Help BTBG
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From: BTBG @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Kirk,
I like that you dispelled the thing about the command line being removed.
But since I'm currently not employed, I'm a little depressed about hearing
of the salt mines being abandoned *grin*.
from
Keith H.
--- You Wrote: ---
<snip>
Third, contrary to
popular rumor the secret plan to make blind people work in salt mines was
abandonded last week.
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` Kirk Wood
` BTBG
@ ` BTBG
` Geoff Shang
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From: BTBG @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
This is for who ever is the list moderater.
I will be leaving town in a few weeks. Is there a command to temporarily
interupt my email from the list while I will be away, then reenable it
later? If worse comes to worse, I suppose I can unsubscribe and resubscribe
later.
from
Keith H.
It isn't difficult to make a mountain out of a molehill,
just add a little dirt.
-- unknown
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` Need Moderator Help BTBG
@ ` Geoff Shang
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From: Geoff Shang @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi:
Kirk Reiser is away for a few days, campaigning for our interests in the
DAISY project. Meanwhile, you should be able to stop mail from the speakup
list. You can issue commands either by E-mail or by visiting the webpage,
the URL for which is listed at the bottom of every single message. Sending
a help command to speakup-request@braille.uwo.ca should help you with doing
it via E-mail.
If you have any problems, drop me a line and I'll see what I can do.
Geoff.
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` Geoff Shang
@ ` BTBG
` Amanda Lee
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From: BTBG @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Thanks for the list command.
I know the Daisy project may not relate entirely to Linux, but when Kirk
gets back, I'd like to hear any progress about it. Does anyone out there use
a e-book reader, whether a portable, stand alone device or a program on
their computer?
from
Keith H.
--- You Wrote: ---
Kirk Reiser is away for a few days, campaigning for our interests in the
DAISY project.
<snip>
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` Daisy Project was, " BTBG
@ ` Amanda Lee
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From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
No, but I would like to have one of these MP3 players which will hold 10,
20 or more hours and I don't mind subscribing to a service such that i can
read more because I don't have time to read and I could carry this on the
go!
So if anyone knows of MP3 Players like the Rio or somehting which are
Accessible, please write me off line as this indeed is not on topic ha!
Amanda Lee
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, BTBG wrote:
> Thanks for the list command.
>
> I know the Daisy project may not relate entirely to Linux, but when Kirk
> gets back, I'd like to hear any progress about it. Does anyone out there use
> a e-book reader, whether a portable, stand alone device or a program on
> their computer?
>
> from
> Keith H.
>
>
>
> --- You Wrote: ---
>
>
> Kirk Reiser is away for a few days, campaigning for our interests in the
> DAISY project.
>
> <snip>
>
>
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* Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
` Charles Crawford
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
` Kirk Wood
@ ` Thomas Ward
` David Poehlman
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` Victor Tsaran
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From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
This is really bad. I shutter to think what RedHat will be like if AOL gets
a hold of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Crawford <CCrawford@ACB.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
> I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to
demand
> that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do the
> migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
> forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
>
> -- Charlie.
>
> >Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
> >
> >On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> >
> > > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on it
> > > and lock it in.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> > >
> >
> >
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` Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner? Thomas Ward
@ ` David Poehlman
` Ron Marriage
` Jason
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From: David Poehlman @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
we'll still have red hat but we still won't have access to aol most
likely.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
This is really bad. I shutter to think what RedHat will be like if AOL
gets
a hold of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Crawford <CCrawford@ACB.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
> I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to
demand
> that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do
the
> migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
> forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
>
> -- Charlie.
>
> >Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
> >
> >On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> >
> > > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui
on it
> > > and lock it in.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> > >
> >
> >
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>
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` Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner? Thomas Ward
` David Poehlman
@ ` Ron Marriage
` Thomas Ward
` Kirk Wood
` Jason
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From: Ron Marriage @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
One of the nice things about linux is that it is text
based. The gui is simply another program that runs in
linux. Many of the programs used in the gui are just
graphical front ends to the text programs.
As to the AOL Time Warner and Redhat merger, think about
everyone getting a couple linux CDs in the mail like the do
those AOL CDs. <grin>
Ron
Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> This is really bad. I shutter to think what RedHat will be like if AOL gets
> a hold of it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Crawford <CCrawford@ACB.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
>
> > I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to
> demand
> > that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do the
> > migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
> > forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
> >
> > -- Charlie.
> >
> > >Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
> > >
> > >On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> > >
> > > > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on it
> > > > and lock it in.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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--
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` Ron Marriage
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From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
That would be an advantage. Might make someone think about trying it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Marriage <marriage@seidata.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
> One of the nice things about linux is that it is text
> based. The gui is simply another program that runs in
> linux. Many of the programs used in the gui are just
> graphical front ends to the text programs.
>
> As to the AOL Time Warner and Redhat merger, think about
> everyone getting a couple linux CDs in the mail like the do
> those AOL CDs. <grin>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > This is really bad. I shutter to think what RedHat will be like if AOL
gets
> > a hold of it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Charles Crawford <CCrawford@ACB.org>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
> >
> > > I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to
> > demand
> > > that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do
the
> > > migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
> > > forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
> > >
> > > -- Charlie.
> > >
> > > >Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
> > > >
> > > >On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui
on it
> > > > > and lock it in.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> Email mailto:marriage@seidata.com
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` Ron Marriage
` Thomas Ward
@ ` Kirk Wood
1 sibling, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
There is really a quite simple explaination for this move.
AOL took a brief venture into the set top box arena. They decided that
windows ce was not stable enough for their market and thus set the stage
for the falling out between them and m$.
Now there are two clear market leaders in embeded linux. The first is
Lineo and the other being RedHat. Now if you think for a split second
(with a clear head) you can see some clues:
1) AOL has previously expressed interest in dedicated inet boxes.
2) AOL combined with Time/Warner to access the cable internet market.
3) AOL purchased Netscape and has supported continued development.
4) AOL is in negotiations with a leader in embeded linux
5) AOL will be able to avoid lisense fees for all this technology.
6) Linux is nowhere near being for the masses.
There just may be a reason AOL is looking to buy RedHat. I am sure it has
nothing to do with the plot to make all blind people work in mines or
massage parlors. It may be related to their desire to force all the blind
folk back to the company they spar with in court on a regular basis
though.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
Nowlan's Theory:
He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
the next freeway exit.
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* Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
` Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner? Thomas Ward
` David Poehlman
` Ron Marriage
@ ` Jason
` David Poehlman
2 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread
From: Jason @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Actually, look at Netscape, Winamp (Nullsoft), and ICQ (Mirabilis); all
bought by AOL, and AOL's basically leaving them alone letting them develop
their respective projects as they see fit.
I don't like a lot of things about AOL, or it's CEO, but the way they treat
acquired subsidiaries isn't one of them.
> This is really bad. I shutter to think what RedHat will be like if AOL gets
> a hold of it.
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` Jason
@ ` David Poehlman
` Kirk Wood
0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread
From: David Poehlman @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
give them time. they've already done some damage to netscape.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason" <unleet@qwest.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
Actually, look at Netscape, Winamp (Nullsoft), and ICQ (Mirabilis); all
bought by AOL, and AOL's basically leaving them alone letting them
develop
their respective projects as they see fit.
I don't like a lot of things about AOL, or it's CEO, but the way they
treat
acquired subsidiaries isn't one of them.
> This is really bad. I shutter to think what RedHat will be like if AOL
gets
> a hold of it.
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` David Poehlman
@ ` Kirk Wood
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> give them time. they've already done some damage to netscape.
Yea, they kept some full time employees. The damage is irreversable. Get a
grip people. Netscape was sold on the debtor's auction block. They were
broke and couldn't make payroll let alone pay their debts. AOL has kept
some developers though not all of them. Oh that is certainly
mistreatment. They should be keeping those people on the payroll anyway.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
Nowlan's Theory:
He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
the next freeway exit.
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* Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
` Charles Crawford
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
` Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner? Thomas Ward
@ ` Victor Tsaran
4 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Victor Tsaran @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Remember, Linux is free and there are many other distributions except for
RedHat. I myself am fond and a user of RedHat, but if they start fiddling
around with accessibility and turning Open Source OS into AOL OS, I guess I
will have to drop RedHat.
On the same note, GNOME Foundation and SUN are working on accessibility
hooks within an upcoming GNOME 2.0, which hopefully will revolutionize our
access to GUI in Linux.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <CCrawford@ACB.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
> I wish I could be as optimistic. Actually, we will have to
demand
> that they keep the command line text runtime or they will simply do the
> migration thing where the GUI is updated and the text is
> forgotten. Witness the disappearance of DOS.
>
> -- Charlie.
>
> >Linux already comes with a GUI, but it can safely be ignored.
> >
> >On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> >
> > > but of course, it won't be accessible because they'll slap a gui on it
> > > and lock it in.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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>
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* Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
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@ ` Adam Myrow
` Thomas Ward
` charles crawford
0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Adam Myrow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I can hear the advertising now. "Redhat, so easy, no wonder it's number
1!" They'll be showing a grandmother on TV saying "my grandson sends me
email every day and I can actually reply with AOL for Redhat."
In all seriousness, I don't think they could take out the command line.
After all, that's how Linux works. They could make it start up in X, and
people wouldn't use the command line, but it's still in there. Even
Windows XP has a command line if I understand it correctly. I just think
it's funny that AOL is interested in Linux.
What this shows is what I've believed for a long time. Linux is at a
critical point in its history. It's powerful enough to run serious
servers, but it's starting to grab the attention of the public because
they are finally starting to get tired of Windows crashing and excepting
that this is not normal behavior for a computer. So, they are looking to
Linux because it has a reputation for stability, but they see that it
isn't Windows at all. They want Windows without the bugs, and the Linux
users want something other than Windows. So, we have word processors
under the GUI, ICQ cloans and such under the GUI, and development tools
running at the command line. Redhat is clearly trying to attract home
users with its Plug 'N Play type install while Slackware is staying with a
"do it yourself" approach and other distributions seem to be somewhere in
the middle. Linux is going to go one way or the other. It's really up to
the users to decide which way it goes.
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` Adam Myrow
@ ` Thomas Ward
` Steve Holmes
` charles crawford
1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Lol! That is funny. Actually, Red Hat 7.2 by default loads the gui, and when
you log in you are dropped on a Gnome 1.4 desktop which is nice. Since my
family likes the gui on start up I leave it that way.
However, a alt+control+f1 sets me right, and gets me into a bash prompt to
get some work done.
So it is no big deal if Linux os's such as Mandrake 8.1 or Red Hat 7.2 it is
set to runlevel 5. One key stroke and you are in bash.
I think you are right though. Linux is at a critical point. Big companies
like IBM are taking Linux serious, and many of home users are peed off at
they way MS puts in their security for XP.
Now is the time to start proving the os for what it can do. However,
Mandrake and Red Hat are good distributions for the average home user. After
most of them can't even reinstall MS Windows which is easy. How could they
even think about Slackware which requires a little knolege of system files
etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Myrow <myrow@eskimo.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
> I can hear the advertising now. "Redhat, so easy, no wonder it's number
> 1!" They'll be showing a grandmother on TV saying "my grandson sends me
> email every day and I can actually reply with AOL for Redhat."
>
> In all seriousness, I don't think they could take out the command line.
> After all, that's how Linux works. They could make it start up in X, and
> people wouldn't use the command line, but it's still in there. Even
> Windows XP has a command line if I understand it correctly. I just think
> it's funny that AOL is interested in Linux.
>
> What this shows is what I've believed for a long time. Linux is at a
> critical point in its history. It's powerful enough to run serious
> servers, but it's starting to grab the attention of the public because
> they are finally starting to get tired of Windows crashing and excepting
> that this is not normal behavior for a computer. So, they are looking to
> Linux because it has a reputation for stability, but they see that it
> isn't Windows at all. They want Windows without the bugs, and the Linux
> users want something other than Windows. So, we have word processors
> under the GUI, ICQ cloans and such under the GUI, and development tools
> running at the command line. Redhat is clearly trying to attract home
> users with its Plug 'N Play type install while Slackware is staying with a
> "do it yourself" approach and other distributions seem to be somewhere in
> the middle. Linux is going to go one way or the other. It's really up to
> the users to decide which way it goes.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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` Thomas Ward
@ ` Steve Holmes
` Terry Cudney
` Geoff Shang
0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
You say that pressing control alt f1 drops you to a bash prompt. What
about logging in? Do you have to login through this X environment first?
Could you have a different console come up with a different run level to
give you a command style login and shell? From what I recall about
initab, you could have a different run level for each console (at least
under slackware). I think the init/inittab stuff is generic - non
specific to distributions, right?
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Lol! That is funny. Actually, Red Hat 7.2 by default loads the gui, and when
> you log in you are dropped on a Gnome 1.4 desktop which is nice. Since my
> family likes the gui on start up I leave it that way.
> However, a alt+control+f1 sets me right, and gets me into a bash prompt to
> get some work done.
> So it is no big deal if Linux os's such as Mandrake 8.1 or Red Hat 7.2 it is
> set to runlevel 5. One key stroke and you are in bash.
> I think you are right though. Linux is at a critical point. Big companies
> like IBM are taking Linux serious, and many of home users are peed off at
> they way MS puts in their security for XP.
> Now is the time to start proving the os for what it can do. However,
> Mandrake and Red Hat are good distributions for the average home user. After
> most of them can't even reinstall MS Windows which is easy. How could they
> even think about Slackware which requires a little knolege of system files
> etc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adam Myrow <myrow@eskimo.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
>
>
> > I can hear the advertising now. "Redhat, so easy, no wonder it's number
> > 1!" They'll be showing a grandmother on TV saying "my grandson sends me
> > email every day and I can actually reply with AOL for Redhat."
> >
> > In all seriousness, I don't think they could take out the command line.
> > After all, that's how Linux works. They could make it start up in X, and
> > people wouldn't use the command line, but it's still in there. Even
> > Windows XP has a command line if I understand it correctly. I just think
> > it's funny that AOL is interested in Linux.
> >
> > What this shows is what I've believed for a long time. Linux is at a
> > critical point in its history. It's powerful enough to run serious
> > servers, but it's starting to grab the attention of the public because
> > they are finally starting to get tired of Windows crashing and excepting
> > that this is not normal behavior for a computer. So, they are looking to
> > Linux because it has a reputation for stability, but they see that it
> > isn't Windows at all. They want Windows without the bugs, and the Linux
> > users want something other than Windows. So, we have word processors
> > under the GUI, ICQ cloans and such under the GUI, and development tools
> > running at the command line. Redhat is clearly trying to attract home
> > users with its Plug 'N Play type install while Slackware is staying with a
> > "do it yourself" approach and other distributions seem to be somewhere in
> > the middle. Linux is going to go one way or the other. It's really up to
> > the users to decide which way it goes.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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` Steve Holmes
@ ` Terry Cudney
` Geoff Shang
1 sibling, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Terry Cudney @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
You wrote:
-=> You say that pressing control alt f1 drops you to a bash prompt. What
-=> about logging in? Do you have to login through this X environment first?
No, you don't have to log in to the X session at all. You can go to any one of the virtual consoles that you have enabled on your system by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F# where # is the number of the virtual console that you want.
-=> Could you have a different console come up with a different run level to
-=> give you a command style login and shell? From what I recall about
-=> initab, you could have a different run level for each console (at least
-=> under slackware). I think the init/inittab stuff is generic - non
-=> specific to distributions, right?
At any given time your machine is running at a particular run level. You cannot have several consoles simultaneously running at different run-levels (unless they are on different machines).
-=> On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
-=>
-=> > Lol! That is funny. Actually, Red Hat 7.2 by default loads the gui, and when
-=> > you log in you are dropped on a Gnome 1.4 desktop which is nice. Since my
-=> > family likes the gui on start up I leave it that way.
-=> > However, a alt+control+f1 sets me right, and gets me into a bash prompt to
-=> > get some work done.
-=> > So it is no big deal if Linux os's such as Mandrake 8.1 or Red Hat 7.2 it is
-=> > set to runlevel 5. One key stroke and you are in bash.
-=> > I think you are right though. Linux is at a critical point. Big companies
-=> > like IBM are taking Linux serious, and many of home users are peed off at
-=> > they way MS puts in their security for XP.
-=> > Now is the time to start proving the os for what it can do. However,
-=> > Mandrake and Red Hat are good distributions for the average home user. After
-=> > most of them can't even reinstall MS Windows which is easy. How could they
-=> > even think about Slackware which requires a little knolege of system files
-=> > etc.
-=> >
-=> >
-=> > ----- Original Message -----
-=> > From: Adam Myrow <myrow@eskimo.com>
-=> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
-=> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:24 PM
-=> > Subject: Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
-=> >
-=> >
-=> > > I can hear the advertising now. "Redhat, so easy, no wonder it's number
-=> > > 1!" They'll be showing a grandmother on TV saying "my grandson sends me
-=> > > email every day and I can actually reply with AOL for Redhat."
-=> > >
-=> > > In all seriousness, I don't think they could take out the command line.
-=> > > After all, that's how Linux works. They could make it start up in X, and
-=> > > people wouldn't use the command line, but it's still in there. Even
-=> > > Windows XP has a command line if I understand it correctly. I just think
-=> > > it's funny that AOL is interested in Linux.
-=> > >
-=> > > What this shows is what I've believed for a long time. Linux is at a
-=> > > critical point in its history. It's powerful enough to run serious
-=> > > servers, but it's starting to grab the attention of the public because
-=> > > they are finally starting to get tired of Windows crashing and excepting
-=> > > that this is not normal behavior for a computer. So, they are looking to
-=> > > Linux because it has a reputation for stability, but they see that it
-=> > > isn't Windows at all. They want Windows without the bugs, and the Linux
-=> > > users want something other than Windows. So, we have word processors
-=> > > under the GUI, ICQ cloans and such under the GUI, and development tools
-=> > > running at the command line. Redhat is clearly trying to attract home
-=> > > users with its Plug 'N Play type install while Slackware is staying with a
-=> > > "do it yourself" approach and other distributions seem to be somewhere in
-=> > > the middle. Linux is going to go one way or the other. It's really up to
-=> > > the users to decide which way it goes.
-=> > >
-=> > >
-=> > > _______________________________________________
-=> > > Speakup mailing list
-=> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=> > >
-=> >
-=> >
-=> > _______________________________________________
-=> > Speakup mailing list
-=> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=> >
-=>
-=>
-=> _______________________________________________
-=> Speakup mailing list
-=> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=>
--terry
Name: Terry D. Cudney
Phone: (905)735-6127
E-mail: terry@wasagacottage.com
WWW: www.wasagacottage.com
Q: How many hardware engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. We'll fix it in software.
Q: How many system programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. The application can work around it.
Q: How many software engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. We'll document it in the manual.
Q: How many tech writers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. The user can figure it out.
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` Steve Holmes
` Terry Cudney
@ ` Geoff Shang
1 sibling, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Geoff Shang @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> You say that pressing control alt f1 drops you to a bash prompt. What
> about logging in? Do you have to login through this X environment first?
To clarify: control-alt-F1 drops you to a login prompt, if memory serves.
Geoff.
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* Re: Will Redhat Become a Division of AOL Time-Warner?
` Adam Myrow
` Thomas Ward
@ ` charles crawford
` Kirk Wood
1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread
From: charles crawford @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
My concern for the redhat purchase by AOL is this. While I am no
expert programmer, from my experience doing it, I can see how to array
images as variables without text and click on one of them to launch a
particular module. So whether Linux is text based or not, the concept is
the same. Write the software to act on a graphical interface and forget
the command line. I could be wrong and I hope that I am, but that is what
I think.
Irrespective of whatever the situation may be, we will need to
do the advocacy to insure the text interface.
-- Charlie Crawford.
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` charles crawford
@ ` Kirk Wood
` Thomas Ward
0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, charles crawford wrote:
> My concern for the redhat purchase by AOL is this. While I am no
> expert programmer, from my experience doing it, I can see how to array
> images as variables without text and click on one of them to launch a
> particular module. So whether Linux is text based or not, the concept is
> the same. Write the software to act on a graphical interface and forget
> the command line. I could be wrong and I hope that I am, but that is what
> I think.
And I hope you are right. The reason is quite simple, though two fold:
1) This would have the source available and thus able to be hacked for
speech.
2) This would in no way affect linux. It might mean that what we now think
of as RedHat would need a new name. But this is doubtful.
I don't see any reason they would do any more then replace the shell. And
their product wouldn't be what we think of as a complete distribution
anyway. There are many out there using linux. Does it scare people that
there is a linux based PDA under production? It doesn't work with speakup.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
Nowlan's Theory:
He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
the next freeway exit.
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` Kirk Wood
@ ` Thomas Ward
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Well, weather anyone here likes it or not if AOL does purchase Red Hat
combined with IBM's support behind it Linux will become more designed for
the masses, and AOL and IBM will try to market it so.
The results could become two fold. One Linux will get alot of attention, and
perhaps companies will port drivers, software, etc to Linux. Of course since
Gnopernicus is the only x-based screen reader under construction it will get
most if not all the lime light.
However, on the down side that may draw lots of attention away from other
distributions and access projects. Esentually, making Red Hat into some sort
of virtual standard for all distributions.
I guess we have to wait and see how it all shakes out.
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