speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

Does anyone know if there are any boot disks and kernels built with speakup
1.0 in them?

Does anyone know how hard it would be to be to install slakware 7.1 with
speakup then upgrade to speakup 1.0 and slakware 8.0?

I am a very new user and am wanting to install slackware on a partition on
my win 98 machine.  Thanks for any help.

Also, could someone give me the packages that are not required for a blind
sure (during install of the slackware package)?

What iso do I want to down load?

Finally, can I buy slackware in the store?  Thanks for ay help.


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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Reinhard, I've put my comments intermixed with your quotes to
better answer your questions.

> Does anyone know if there are any boot disks and kernels built with speakup
> 1.0 in them?

I do not know if there any speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0 boot disks but 
if not I can make some and offer them on the speakup site as well as to 
you.

> Does anyone know how hard it would be to be to install slakware 7.1 with
> speakup then upgrade to speakup 1.0 and slakware 8.0?

It might be easier to just install slackware 8.0 which already comes
with speakup disks although they are not version 1.0.  Then upgrade to
speakup 1.0.  That is the easier and less intensive task.

> I am a very new user and am wanting to install slackware on a partition on
> my win 98 machine.  Thanks for any help.

I was a new user at one point and what I've discovered is that Linux is 
very flexible as well as easy to use but there is a lot of learning to
do.  Keep at it and you will do fine.  How large is the windows
partition you want to install slackware on and is it free of any data
on it?  The best thing would be to reformat the partition so that you
can have a native linux setup.  If you want to just get your feet wet
first and see how linux will work for you then zipspeak would be a good 
starting point.  zipspeak is based off slackware 7.1 and takes up
around 100 megs on an existing windows partition without destroying any 
data.

> Also, could someone give me the packages that are not required for a blind
> sure (during install of the slackware package)?

Different people will answer differently on this.  for slackware I
personally only install packages a ap d f k n and y.  Others will also
install packages e if they want to use emacs system.  The g, kde, and x 
series are the graphical ones.

> What iso do I want to down load?

If you want to download an entire iso image then go with install.iso.
This iso image is the entire installation for burning onto a cd.  You
can get the speakup enabled kernel images off this if you like and
install from the floppies or the cd.

> Finally, can I buy slackware in the store?  Thanks for ay help.

yes there are stores around where you can get slackware but not all of
them may have upgraded their stock to 8.0.  It might be easier to order 
a cd off the net, they are very cheap but I don't have any sites on
hand I can recommend.  Others on the list might have them.  I could
also burn you a cd and mail it to you at no cost.

Best regards.

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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, my comments are below intermixed with your questions.

----- Original Message -----
From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:48 PM
Subject: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> Does anyone know if there are any boot disks and kernels built with
speakup
> 1.0 in them?

At the moment as far as I know none of the boot disks have 1.0 in them, but
Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.

>
> Does anyone know how hard it would be to be to install slakware 7.1 with
> speakup then upgrade to speakup 1.0 and slakware 8.0?
>

You really should just grab Slackware 8.0 and install from that. Then, at
some pont upgrade your kernel and Speakup version.

> I am a very new user and am wanting to install slackware on a partition on
> my win 98 machine.  Thanks for any help.

You've got a couple of options here. They have a msdos root disk which
allows you to install Slackware 8 to a fat 32 partition. Then, you can
configure loadlin to restart into Linux.
The other option is to use something like Partition magic 7 to free up
space, and then install Slackware 8 and Lilo to multiboot.

>
> Also, could someone give me the packages that are not required for a blind
> sure (during install of the slackware package)?

This is completely up to the Linux user, and what you will need. You will
most llikely want a series, ap series, d series, e series, n series, and
perhaps y as well although y is just text games.

Most of the rest is for x-windows which isn't speech friendly yet, but you
may want some of that if you plan to write apps for x.


>
> What iso do I want to down load?

Get the install.iso in the Slackware 8.0 directory.

>
> Finally, can I buy slackware in the store?  Thanks for ay help.

Yep. Lots of places cary Slackware 8. However, online stores such as Amazon
are the most likely place to find it.
> Just look around and you will probably find it at one of those online
stores.

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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

> Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.

The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?

Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some more
newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?  (by
taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in context?

How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?

Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than man
page?

Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?

Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?

What about speakup (see last quesion).

How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
Is it quite differant from programming under dos?

Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:

1) installing and setting up the os
2) running the os
3) upgrading
4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?

Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Keith Creasy]

I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by going to
www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I think it
was sunsite.

there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described how to
download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I downloaded
the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz root
diske image.

One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk card.
The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of steps.

Good luck!

Keith


On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:

> > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
>
> The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
>
> Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some more
> newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?  (by
> taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in context?
>
> How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
>
> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than man
> page?
>
> Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
>
> Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?
>
> What about speakup (see last quesion).
>
> How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
>
> Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
>
> 1) installing and setting up the os
> 2) running the os
> 3) upgrading
> 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
>
> Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
>
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

You can get slackware 8 from:
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
. This cd image already contains speakup.

To find out what man does, simply type "man man" without the quotes followed by enter.

No programming under linux is not that different from programming in DOS. Hth.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:26:02AM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> 
> The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> 
> Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some more
> newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?  (by
> taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in context?
> 
> How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> 
> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than man
> page?
> 
> Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> 
> Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?
> 
> What about speakup (see last quesion).
> 
> How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> 
> Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> 
> 1) installing and setting up the os
> 2) running the os
> 3) upgrading
> 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> 
> Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.


----- Original Message -----
From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
>
> The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?

There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso

>
> Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some more
> newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?
(by
> taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
context?
>

The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site better
than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man

> How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?

If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this using
the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace key.
In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page
press the plus key on the numpad.


 p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
man
> page?

Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save it,
and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
printer under Linux.
If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like megadots
for dos using the dosemu program.

>
> Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?

Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called Brailletty
that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and see
how it works.

>
> Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?

Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the documentation
cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still is a
great book for beginners.

>
> What about speakup (see last quesion).
>
> How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> Is it quite differant from programming under dos?

There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming. They
are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming in 21
days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself
gtk+ programming in 21 days.
I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind, but
so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to clean
scanned.
However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not that
much different than in dos.
There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms, and
> gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears completion.

> Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
>
> 1) installing and setting up the os

Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just easier
than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer
system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive, and
switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot.

> 2) running the os

Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user, and
not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time leads
to problems if you are not careful.
I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc folder
and typed something like:
rm -rf *
Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he smoked
his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.


> 3) upgrading

When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not
necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want, but I
tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.

> 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?

Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not give
you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or anything
with alot of graphical widgits.
However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and
released with Gnome 2.0.
Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In
programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one you
are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will say
the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.

If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.



>
> Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
>

No problem.
>
>
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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

However, if he plans to install to the fat 32 msdos file system he will need
the msdos diskette.

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Creasy <keith@garnet.exorzero.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by going to
> www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I think it
> was sunsite.
>
> there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described how to
> download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I downloaded
> the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz root
> diske image.
>
> One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
> enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
> with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk card.
> The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of steps.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Keith
>
>
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
>
> > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> >
> > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> >
> > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
more
> > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?
(by
> > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
context?
> >
> > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> >
> > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
man
> > page?
> >
> > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> >
> > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?
> >
> > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> >
> > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> >
> > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> >
> > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > 2) running the os
> > 3) upgrading
> > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> >
> > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Jason]

(snip)
> Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save it,
> and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> printer under Linux.
> If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> megadots for dos using the dosemu program.

hmmm... who said you'd have to run megadots under DOSEmu? why not write a 
text to grade 2 braille comverter for linux :-P
...ok, ok, so I'm a programmer, I think that way, not everyone does though.
hmmm... that would be a fun project though, maybe after I'm done with Postal.

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

If you get the iso, you don't need the 2 floppy images as they are on the cd itself.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 03:44:16PM -0500, Keith Creasy wrote:
> I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by going to
> www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I think it
> was sunsite.
> 
> there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described how to
> download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I downloaded
> the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz root
> diske image.
> 
> One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
> enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
> with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk card.
> The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of steps.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> 
> > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> >
> > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> >
> > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some more
> > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?  (by
> > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in context?
> >
> > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> >
> > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than man
> > page?
> >
> > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> >
> > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?
> >
> > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> >
> > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> >
> > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> >
> > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > 2) running the os
> > 3) upgrading
> > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> >
> > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 07:00:33PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the documentation
> cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
Now, if he's getting slackware, why would he want to look at redhat docs, when slackware has it's own?
Slackware docs are located in:
/usr/doc/
. Also, there is the Slackware Essentials book on one of the cds for slackware. I can see which cd it is on if you're interested.
In addition, there is the linux documentation project at:
http://www.linuxdoc.org
. 
Greg


> 

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

Why not just Chuck's turbo braille for linux which is opensource?
Greg


On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 05:21:55PM -0700, Jason wrote:
> (snip)
> > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save it,
> > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > printer under Linux.
> > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > megadots for dos using the dosemu program.
> 
> hmmm... who said you'd have to run megadots under DOSEmu? why not write a 
> text to grade 2 braille comverter for linux :-P
> ...ok, ok, so I'm a programmer, I think that way, not everyone does though.
> hmmm... that would be a fun project though, maybe after I'm done with Postal.
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

Sounds like a good idea. a program called txt2brl?
That sounds cool, and something I'm sure you or I could scratch up in a
simple c or perl program.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jason <unleet@qwest.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> (snip)
> > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save
it,
> > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > printer under Linux.
> > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > megadots for dos using the dosemu program.
>
> hmmm... who said you'd have to run megadots under DOSEmu? why not write a
> text to grade 2 braille comverter for linux :-P
> ...ok, ok, so I'm a programmer, I think that way, not everyone does
though.
> hmmm... that would be a fun project though, maybe after I'm done with
Postal.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

Well, most linux stuff is universal. after all an ls command is an ls
command,and many of the tools haven't changed.
I only showed him that docs cd, because there is good information on there
for any distribution.


----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 07:00:33PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
documentation
> > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> Now, if he's getting slackware, why would he want to look at redhat docs,
when slackware has it's own?
> Slackware docs are located in:
> /usr/doc/
> . Also, there is the Slackware Essentials book on one of the cds for
slackware. I can see which cd it is on if you're interested.
> In addition, there is the linux documentation project at:
> http://www.linuxdoc.org
> .
> Greg
>
>
> >
>
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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

Turbobraille? I have never heard of it. Where can i get it, and what does it
do?

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> Why not just Chuck's turbo braille for linux which is opensource?
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 05:21:55PM -0700, Jason wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file,
save it,
> > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > > printer under Linux.
> > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > > megadots for dos using the dosemu program.
> >
> > hmmm... who said you'd have to run megadots under DOSEmu? why not write
a
> > text to grade 2 braille comverter for linux :-P
> > ...ok, ok, so I'm a programmer, I think that way, not everyone does
though.
> > hmmm... that would be a fun project though, maybe after I'm done with
Postal.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

It is a text to braille translator, like megadots or duxbery.
http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh/
Follow the software link which is the second one.
Then, the third link on that page is the turbo braille link.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 08:20:37PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Turbobraille? I have never heard of it. Where can i get it, and what does it
> do?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> 
> 
> > Why not just Chuck's turbo braille for linux which is opensource?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 05:21:55PM -0700, Jason wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file,
> save it,
> > > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > > > printer under Linux.
> > > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > > > megadots for dos using the dosemu program.
> > >
> > > hmmm... who said you'd have to run megadots under DOSEmu? why not write
> a
> > > text to grade 2 braille comverter for linux :-P
> > > ...ok, ok, so I'm a programmer, I think that way, not everyone does
> though.
> > > hmmm... that would be a fun project though, maybe after I'm done with
> Postal.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

regarding the man page, I do not understand how the screen is set up with
all of the [] {} and <>.  This is why I wanted someone to explain how the
page is set up for me with man.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> You can get slackware 8 from:
> ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> . This cd image already contains speakup.
>
> To find out what man does, simply type "man man" without the quotes
followed by enter.
>
> No programming under linux is not that different from programming in DOS.
Hth.
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:26:02AM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> >
> > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> >
> > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
more
> > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?
(by
> > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
context?
> >
> > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> >
> > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
man
> > page?
> >
> > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> >
> > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?
> >
> > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> >
> > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> >
> > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> >
> > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > 2) running the os
> > 3) upgrading
> > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> >
> > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

but will the iso have speackup in it?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
>
>
> > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> >
> > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
>
> There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
>
> >
> > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
more
> > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?
> (by
> > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> context?
> >
>
> The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site better
> than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
>
> > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
>
> If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this
using
> the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace
key.
> In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page
> press the plus key on the numpad.
>
>
>  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
> man
> > page?
>
> Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save
it,
> and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> printer under Linux.
> If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
megadots
> for dos using the dosemu program.
>
> >
> > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
>
> Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called Brailletty
> that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and
see
> how it works.
>
> >
> > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?
>
> Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
documentation
> cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still is
a
> great book for beginners.
>
> >
> > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> >
> > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
>
> There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming.
They
> are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming in
21
> days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself
> gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind, but
> so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to
clean
> scanned.
> However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not that
> much different than in dos.
> There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms,
and
> > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
completion.
>
> > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> >
> > 1) installing and setting up the os
>
> Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
easier
> than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer
> system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive,
and
> switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot.
>
> > 2) running the os
>
> Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user,
and
> not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time leads
> to problems if you are not careful.
> I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
folder
> and typed something like:
> rm -rf *
> Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he smoked
> his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
>
>
> > 3) upgrading
>
> When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not
> necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want, but
I
> tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
>
> > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
>
> Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not
give
> you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or anything
> with alot of graphical widgits.
> However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and
> released with Gnome 2.0.
> Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In
> programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one you
> are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will
say
> the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
>
> If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
>
>
>
> >
> > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> >
>
> No problem.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

even though I am planning on formatting that partition?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> However, if he plans to install to the fat 32 msdos file system he will
need
> the msdos diskette.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Creasy <keith@garnet.exorzero.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
>
>
> > I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by going
to
> > www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I think
it
> > was sunsite.
> >
> > there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described how
to
> > download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I downloaded
> > the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz root
> > diske image.
> >
> > One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
> > enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
> > with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> > speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk card.
> > The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of steps.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> >
> > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > >
> > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> more
> > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
works?
> (by
> > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> context?
> > >
> > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> > >
> > > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
> man
> > > page?
> > >
> > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > >
> > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
os?
> > >
> > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > >
> > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > >
> > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > >
> > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > 2) running the os
> > > 3) upgrading
> > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > >
> > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

Thank you Mr. Nowak.  That would be very nice of you to do the following.

Also, there is the Slackware Essentials book on one of the cds for
slackware. I can see which cd it is on if you're interested.

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

and How do I get the disk from the cd when the system is not booted (Linux)?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> If you get the iso, you don't need the 2 floppy images as they are on the
cd itself.
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 03:44:16PM -0500, Keith Creasy wrote:
> > I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by going
to
> > www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I think
it
> > was sunsite.
> >
> > there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described how
to
> > download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I downloaded
> > the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz root
> > diske image.
> >
> > One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
> > enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
> > with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> > speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk card.
> > The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of steps.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> >
> > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > >
> > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
more
> > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
works?  (by
> > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
context?
> > >
> > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> > >
> > > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
man
> > > page?
> > >
> > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > >
> > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
os?
> > >
> > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > >
> > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > >
> > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > >
> > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > 2) running the os
> > > 3) upgrading
> > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > >
> > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

If you are formatting that partition as Linux native use the color.gz.
The Msdos.gz one is if you want to use a msdos file system.

----- Original Message -----
From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> even though I am planning on formatting that partition?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
>
>
> > However, if he plans to install to the fat 32 msdos file system he will
> need
> > the msdos diskette.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Keith Creasy <keith@garnet.exorzero.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> >
> >
> > > I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by
going
> to
> > > www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I
think
> it
> > > was sunsite.
> > >
> > > there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described
how
> to
> > > download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I
downloaded
> > > the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz
root
> > > diske image.
> > >
> > > One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
> > > enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
> > > with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> > > speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk
card.
> > > The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of
steps.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1
with
> > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> > more
> > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> works?
> > (by
> > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > context?
> > > >
> > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a
time?
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
than
> > man
> > > > page?
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > >
> > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
> os?
> > > >
> > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > >
> > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > >
> > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > >
> > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > 2) running the os
> > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

There is a dos program included with all Linux distros called rawrite.
To make a diskette for the sspeakup boot diskette do the following.
For this example I am going to assume your cdrom is on d:\ in dos.

d:\
cd\bootdsks.144
rawrite speakup.i a:\

Then, the boot diskette is written on your floppy.
Now enter the next commands.

cd\rootdsks
rawrite color.gz a:\

That will write the color.gz root diskette.



----- Original Message -----
From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> and How do I get the disk from the cd when the system is not booted
(Linux)?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
>
>
> > If you get the iso, you don't need the 2 floppy images as they are on
the
> cd itself.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 03:44:16PM -0500, Keith Creasy wrote:
> > > I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by
going
> to
> > > www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I
think
> it
> > > was sunsite.
> > >
> > > there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described
how
> to
> > > download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I
downloaded
> > > the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz
root
> > > diske image.
> > >
> > > One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
> > > enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
> > > with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> > > speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk
card.
> > > The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of
steps.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1
with
> > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> more
> > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> works?  (by
> > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> context?
> > > >
> > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a
time?
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
than
> man
> > > > page?
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > >
> > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
> os?
> > > >
> > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > >
> > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > >
> > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > >
> > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > 2) running the os
> > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

Yes, all versions of Slackware 8.0 that I know of have Speakup in them. I
think that is a part of the Slackware distribution now days. Which is really
handy.


----- Original Message -----
From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> but will the iso have speackup in it?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
>
>
> > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> >
> >
> > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > >
> > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> >
> > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> >
> > >
> > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> more
> > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
works?
> > (by
> > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > context?
> > >
> >
> > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site
better
> > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
> >
> > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> >
> > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this
> using
> > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace
> key.
> > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page
> > press the plus key on the numpad.
> >
> >
> >  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
than
> > man
> > > page?
> >
> > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save
> it,
> > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > printer under Linux.
> > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> megadots
> > for dos using the dosemu program.
> >
> > >
> > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> >
> > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called
Brailletty
> > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and
> see
> > how it works.
> >
> > >
> > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
os?
> >
> > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
> documentation
> > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still
is
> a
> > great book for beginners.
> >
> > >
> > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > >
> > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> >
> > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming.
> They
> > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming
in
> 21
> > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself
> > gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind,
but
> > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to
> clean
> > scanned.
> > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not
that
> > much different than in dos.
> > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms,
> and
> > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
> completion.
> >
> > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > >
> > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> >
> > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
> easier
> > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer
> > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive,
> and
> > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot.
> >
> > > 2) running the os
> >
> > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user,
> and
> > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time
leads
> > to problems if you are not careful.
> > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
> folder
> > and typed something like:
> > rm -rf *
> > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he
smoked
> > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
> >
> >
> > > 3) upgrading
> >
> > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not
> > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want,
but
> I
> > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
> >
> > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> >
> > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not
> give
> > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or
anything
> > with alot of graphical widgits.
> > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and
> > released with Gnome 2.0.
> > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In
> > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one
you
> > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will
> say
> > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
> >
> > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > >
> >
> > No problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Geoff Shang]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save it,
> and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> printer under Linux.
> If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like megadots
> for dos using the dosemu program.

I'm pretty sure NFBTRANS will do this under linux.

> Speakup is not a bad tts app,

Speakup is not a TTS ap, it is a screen reader.  Tuxtalk, festival and
viavoice are TTS aps.

> but it's biggest draw back is it will not give
> you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or anything
> with alot of graphical widgits.

And the biggest drawback of a car is that it doesn't float on water.
C'mon!  Speakup was never designed or intended to provide access to the X
windows environment, just as ASAP, vocaleyes and such don't provide access
to MS windows.  I gotta say, I don't really understand all the desire for
access to X.  It's not like DOS and windows.  DOS was an 8 bit OS with many
limitations, whereas Win32 is a 32 bit app with alleged multitasking, etc.
X provides no functional advantages over the text console as all the power
is in the OS itself, which is where it should be.  X is a memory and
resource hog and I know many sighted people who don't use it or use it
minimally.  OK, so there are a few aps that only work in X, but those are
diminishing rapidly as text users take up the cause.

Geoff.

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:12:27PM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> but will the iso have speackup in it?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> 
> 
> > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> >
> >
> > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > >
> > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> >
> > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> >
> > >
> > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> more
> > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page works?
> > (by
> > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > context?
> > >
> >
> > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site better
> > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
> >
> > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> >
> > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this
> using
> > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace
> key.
> > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page
> > press the plus key on the numpad.
> >
> >
> >  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
> > man
> > > page?
> >
> > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save
> it,
> > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > printer under Linux.
> > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> megadots
> > for dos using the dosemu program.
> >
> > >
> > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> >
> > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called Brailletty
> > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and
> see
> > how it works.
> >
> > >
> > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new os?
> >
> > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
> documentation
> > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still is
> a
> > great book for beginners.
> >
> > >
> > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > >
> > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> >
> > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming.
> They
> > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming in
> 21
> > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself
> > gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind, but
> > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to
> clean
> > scanned.
> > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not that
> > much different than in dos.
> > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms,
> and
> > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
> completion.
> >
> > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > >
> > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> >
> > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
> easier
> > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer
> > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive,
> and
> > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot.
> >
> > > 2) running the os
> >
> > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user,
> and
> > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time leads
> > to problems if you are not careful.
> > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
> folder
> > and typed something like:
> > rm -rf *
> > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he smoked
> > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
> >
> >
> > > 3) upgrading
> >
> > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not
> > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want, but
> I
> > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
> >
> > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> >
> > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not
> give
> > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or anything
> > with alot of graphical widgits.
> > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and
> > released with Gnome 2.0.
> > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In
> > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one you
> > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will
> say
> > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
> >
> > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > >
> >
> > No problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

If you plan to format the partition, then you don't need to use the msdos disk.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:19:09PM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> even though I am planning on formatting that partition?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> 
> 
> > However, if he plans to install to the fat 32 msdos file system he will
> need
> > the msdos diskette.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Keith Creasy <keith@garnet.exorzero.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> >
> >
> > > I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by going
> to
> > > www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I think
> it
> > > was sunsite.
> > >
> > > there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described how
> to
> > > download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I downloaded
> > > the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz root
> > > diske image.
> > >
> > > One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
> > > enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
> > > with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> > > speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk card.
> > > The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of steps.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> > more
> > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> works?
> > (by
> > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > context?
> > > >
> > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
> > man
> > > > page?
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > >
> > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
> os?
> > > >
> > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > >
> > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > >
> > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > >
> > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > 2) running the os
> > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

The Slackware Essentials book is in html on the extra.iso cd image. you can start viewing index.html with your web browser in docs/slackware-book/slakbook
. Hth.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:22:52PM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> Thank you Mr. Nowak.  That would be very nice of you to do the following.
> 
> Also, there is the Slackware Essentials book on one of the cds for
> slackware. I can see which cd it is on if you're interested.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

Assuming your cd-rom drive is d: under windows, you get the speakup boot disk for ide drives from:
d:\bootdsks.144\speakup.i
The same procedure goes for the color.gz root disk which is in:
d:\rootdsks\color.gz
. Then you would write the images to the floppies as if you had gotten them off the speakup sight which is what it looks like you were planning to do.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:24:05PM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> and How do I get the disk from the cd when the system is not booted (Linux)?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> 
> 
> > If you get the iso, you don't need the 2 floppy images as they are on the
> cd itself.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 03:44:16PM -0500, Keith Creasy wrote:
> > > I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by going
> to
> > > www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I think
> it
> > > was sunsite.
> > >
> > > there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described how
> to
> > > download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I downloaded
> > > the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz root
> > > diske image.
> > >
> > > One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have to
> > > enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you boot
> > > with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> > > speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk card.
> > > The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of steps.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> more
> > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> works?  (by
> > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> context?
> > > >
> > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out than
> man
> > > > page?
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > >
> > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
> os?
> > > >
> > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > >
> > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > >
> > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > >
> > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > 2) running the os
> > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

No, only slackware 8.0 has speakup in it by default from the slackware team. Previous versions were modified, and the floppies were on the speakup sight.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 01:04:07AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Yes, all versions of Slackware 8.0 that I know of have Speakup in them. I
> think that is a part of the Slackware distribution now days. Which is really
> handy.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> 
> 
> > but will the iso have speackup in it?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> >
> >
> > > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> > more
> > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> works?
> > > (by
> > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > > context?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site
> better
> > > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> > > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> > > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
> > >
> > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> > >
> > > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this
> > using
> > > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace
> > key.
> > > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page
> > > press the plus key on the numpad.
> > >
> > >
> > >  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
> than
> > > man
> > > > page?
> > >
> > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save
> > it,
> > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > > printer under Linux.
> > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > megadots
> > > for dos using the dosemu program.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > >
> > > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called
> Brailletty
> > > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and
> > see
> > > how it works.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
> os?
> > >
> > > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
> > documentation
> > > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> > > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still
> is
> > a
> > > great book for beginners.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > >
> > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > >
> > > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming.
> > They
> > > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming
> in
> > 21
> > > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself
> > > gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> > > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind,
> but
> > > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to
> > clean
> > > scanned.
> > > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not
> that
> > > much different than in dos.
> > > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms,
> > and
> > > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
> > completion.
> > >
> > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > >
> > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > >
> > > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
> > easier
> > > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer
> > > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive,
> > and
> > > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot.
> > >
> > > > 2) running the os
> > >
> > > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user,
> > and
> > > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time
> leads
> > > to problems if you are not careful.
> > > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
> > folder
> > > and typed something like:
> > > rm -rf *
> > > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he
> smoked
> > > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
> > >
> > >
> > > > 3) upgrading
> > >
> > > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not
> > > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want,
> but
> > I
> > > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
> > >
> > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > >
> > > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not
> > give
> > > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or
> anything
> > > with alot of graphical widgits.
> > > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and
> > > released with Gnome 2.0.
> > > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In
> > > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one
> you
> > > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will
> > say
> > > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
> > >
> > > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, but I'd much rather hit arrow, hit the enter key or click a virtual mouse as opposed to typping commands at a prompt.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 05:46:35PM +1000, Geoff Shang wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save it,
> > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > printer under Linux.
> > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like megadots
> > for dos using the dosemu program.
> 
> I'm pretty sure NFBTRANS will do this under linux.
> 
> > Speakup is not a bad tts app,
> 
> Speakup is not a TTS ap, it is a screen reader.  Tuxtalk, festival and
> viavoice are TTS aps.
> 
> > but it's biggest draw back is it will not give
> > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or anything
> > with alot of graphical widgits.
> 
> And the biggest drawback of a car is that it doesn't float on water.
> C'mon!  Speakup was never designed or intended to provide access to the X
> windows environment, just as ASAP, vocaleyes and such don't provide access
> to MS windows.  I gotta say, I don't really understand all the desire for
> access to X.  It's not like DOS and windows.  DOS was an 8 bit OS with many
> limitations, whereas Win32 is a 32 bit app with alleged multitasking, etc.
> X provides no functional advantages over the text console as all the power
> is in the OS itself, which is where it should be.  X is a memory and
> resource hog and I know many sighted people who don't use it or use it
> minimally.  OK, so there are a few aps that only work in X, but those are
> diminishing rapidly as text users take up the cause.
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Reinhard -

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:

> regarding the man page, I do not understand how the screen is set up with
> all of the [] {} and <>.  This is why I wanted someone to explain how the
> page is set up for me with man.
>

All those funny punctuation marks you mention will appear on the
line or lines called "synopsis", which is a summary of all the
possible formats for the particular command. Basically anything
enclosed in square brackets is optional - you can omit it if you
wish. If an item is followed by ellipses (several dots) you can
repeat it as often as you like. Items separated by the vertical
bar (|) are alternatives - you choose one or the other of them.
When a command talks about "options" it is essentially what DOS
calls "switches" except you do not use the slash as the leading
character, you use the dash instead.

When you use the "man" command you are automatically placed in
the "less" pager and can page through a command description with
all the standard commands supported by less. The space bar pages
forward by a full screenful, and the letter "q" exits the pager.
Want more? Type "man less".

Want to save a command description to a file? Use "redirection"
to a filename you choose. For instance:

man less > less.man

The file "less.man" is your own creation and contains a plain
text copy of the info on "less".

HTH - Chuck



Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
The Moon is Full

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Janina Sajka]

This is how the world should be.

But, until such inclusion becomes the well-known norm, shouldn't we have a 
simple Slack page on the speakup site that says this and includes a 
hyperlink to a reliable site (with a fast pipe to the net) for downloading 
Slack 8? Seems to me this would constitute a valuable service to our 
community and avoid much unneeded tossing about.
 On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, 
Gregory Nowak wrote:

> No, only slackware 8.0 has speakup in it by default from the slackware team. Previous versions were modified, and the floppies were on the speakup sight.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 01:04:07AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > Yes, all versions of Slackware 8.0 that I know of have Speakup in them. I
> > think that is a part of the Slackware distribution now days. Which is really
> > handy.
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > 
> > 
> > > but will the iso have speackup in it?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> > > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> > > more
> > > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> > works?
> > > > (by
> > > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > > > context?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site
> > better
> > > > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> > > > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> > > > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
> > > >
> > > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> > > >
> > > > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this
> > > using
> > > > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace
> > > key.
> > > > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page
> > > > press the plus key on the numpad.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
> > than
> > > > man
> > > > > page?
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save
> > > it,
> > > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > > > printer under Linux.
> > > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > > megadots
> > > > for dos using the dosemu program.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > >
> > > > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called
> > Brailletty
> > > > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and
> > > see
> > > > how it works.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
> > os?
> > > >
> > > > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
> > > documentation
> > > > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> > > > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still
> > is
> > > a
> > > > great book for beginners.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > > >
> > > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > >
> > > > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming.
> > > They
> > > > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming
> > in
> > > 21
> > > > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself
> > > > gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> > > > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind,
> > but
> > > > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to
> > > clean
> > > > scanned.
> > > > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not
> > that
> > > > much different than in dos.
> > > > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms,
> > > and
> > > > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
> > > completion.
> > > >
> > > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
> > > easier
> > > > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer
> > > > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive,
> > > and
> > > > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot.
> > > >
> > > > > 2) running the os
> > > >
> > > > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user,
> > > and
> > > > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time
> > leads
> > > > to problems if you are not careful.
> > > > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
> > > folder
> > > > and typed something like:
> > > > rm -rf *
> > > > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he
> > smoked
> > > > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3) upgrading
> > > >
> > > > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not
> > > > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
> > > >
> > > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > >
> > > > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not
> > > give
> > > > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or
> > anything
> > > > with alot of graphical widgits.
> > > > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and
> > > > released with Gnome 2.0.
> > > > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In
> > > > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one
> > you
> > > > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will
> > > say
> > > > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

So, can the cd be read from a windows box (to ge the boot ans speech
specific disks off of it to boot the system for the first time?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> No, only slackware 8.0 has speakup in it by default from the slackware
team. Previous versions were modified, and the floppies were on the speakup
sight.
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 01:04:07AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > Yes, all versions of Slackware 8.0 that I know of have Speakup in them.
I
> > think that is a part of the Slackware distribution now days. Which is
really
> > handy.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> >
> >
> > > but will the iso have speackup in it?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1
with
> > > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> > > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are
some
> > > more
> > > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> > works?
> > > > (by
> > > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > > > context?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site
> > better
> > > > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> > > > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> > > > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
> > > >
> > > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a
time?
> > > >
> > > > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do
this
> > > using
> > > > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the
backspace
> > > key.
> > > > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that
page
> > > > press the plus key on the numpad.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille
out
> > than
> > > > man
> > > > > page?
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file,
save
> > > it,
> > > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a
braille
> > > > printer under Linux.
> > > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > > megadots
> > > > for dos using the dosemu program.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > >
> > > > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called
> > Brailletty
> > > > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it
and
> > > see
> > > > how it works.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my
new
> > os?
> > > >
> > > > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
> > > documentation
> > > > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> > > > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but
still
> > is
> > > a
> > > > great book for beginners.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > > >
> > > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > >
> > > > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific
programming.
> > > They
> > > > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++
programming
> > in
> > > 21
> > > > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach
yourself
> > > > gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> > > > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the
blind,
> > but
> > > > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not
to
> > > clean
> > > > scanned.
> > > > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is
not
> > that
> > > > much different than in dos.
> > > > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across
platforms,
> > > and
> > > > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
> > > completion.
> > > >
> > > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
> > > easier
> > > > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive
drawer
> > > > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows
drive,
> > > and
> > > > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a
multiboot.
> > > >
> > > > > 2) running the os
> > > >
> > > > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal
user,
> > > and
> > > > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time
> > leads
> > > > to problems if you are not careful.
> > > > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
> > > folder
> > > > and typed something like:
> > > > rm -rf *
> > > > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he
> > smoked
> > > > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3) upgrading
> > > >
> > > > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is
not
> > > > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you
want,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
> > > >
> > > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > >
> > > > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will
not
> > > give
> > > > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or
> > anything
> > > > with alot of graphical widgits.
> > > > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished,
and
> > > > released with Gnome 2.0.
> > > > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on.
In
> > > > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the
one
> > you
> > > > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it
will
> > > say
> > > > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

will the following command find the accent pc card?  (This is the synth I am
using).
rawrite speakup.i a:\

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

this is correct.

Now the next question is, will this same cd (the cd that the speakup disks
were found on) be used for installing the os?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> Assuming your cd-rom drive is d: under windows, you get the speakup boot
disk for ide drives from:
> d:\bootdsks.144\speakup.i
> The same procedure goes for the color.gz root disk which is in:
> d:\rootdsks\color.gz
> . Then you would write the images to the floppies as if you had gotten
them off the speakup sight which is what it looks like you were planning to
do.
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:24:05PM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > and How do I get the disk from the cd when the system is not booted
(Linux)?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> >
> >
> > > If you get the iso, you don't need the 2 floppy images as they are on
the
> > cd itself.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 03:44:16PM -0500, Keith Creasy wrote:
> > > > I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by
going
> > to
> > > > www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I
think
> > it
> > > > was sunsite.
> > > >
> > > > there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described
how
> > to
> > > > download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I
downloaded
> > > > the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz
root
> > > > diske image.
> > > >
> > > > One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have
to
> > > > enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you
boot
> > > > with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> > > > speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk
card.
> > > > The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of
steps.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck!
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1
with
> > > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are
some
> > more
> > > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> > works?  (by
> > > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > context?
> > > > >
> > > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a
time?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
than
> > man
> > > > > page?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > > >
> > > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my
new
> > os?
> > > > >
> > > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > > >
> > > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > > >
> > > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > > 2) running the os
> > > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

Thank you so much for your help Chuck.  I will give that a try the next time
I log in to Unix/Linux.  I am looking forward to getting my box up.  I am
going to have to wait a few more days before I can get my feet web so to
say.  The box I am going to install Linux on is at school and I am home for
Christmas brake.  Once I get the os up, I am going to need help on how to
configure my network card.  Bye for now


are the square brackets these [] ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@mhonline.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> Hi Reinhard -
>
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
>
> > regarding the man page, I do not understand how the screen is set up
with
> > all of the [] {} and <>.  This is why I wanted someone to explain how
the
> > page is set up for me with man.
> >
>
> All those funny punctuation marks you mention will appear on the
> line or lines called "synopsis", which is a summary of all the
> possible formats for the particular command. Basically anything
> enclosed in square brackets is optional - you can omit it if you
> wish. If an item is followed by ellipses (several dots) you can
> repeat it as often as you like. Items separated by the vertical
> bar (|) are alternatives - you choose one or the other of them.
> When a command talks about "options" it is essentially what DOS
> calls "switches" except you do not use the slash as the leading
> character, you use the dash instead.
>
> When you use the "man" command you are automatically placed in
> the "less" pager and can page through a command description with
> all the standard commands supported by less. The space bar pages
> forward by a full screenful, and the letter "q" exits the pager.
> Want more? Type "man less".
>
> Want to save a command description to a file? Use "redirection"
> to a filename you choose. For instance:
>
> man less > less.man
>
> The file "less.man" is your own creation and contains a plain
> text copy of the info on "less".
>
> HTH - Chuck
>
>
>
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Full
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

True.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:15:42AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> This is how the world should be.
> 
> But, until such inclusion becomes the well-known norm, shouldn't we have a 
> simple Slack page on the speakup site that says this and includes a 
> hyperlink to a reliable site (with a fast pipe to the net) for downloading 
> Slack 8? Seems to me this would constitute a valuable service to our 
> community and avoid much unneeded tossing about.
>  On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, 
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > No, only slackware 8.0 has speakup in it by default from the slackware team. Previous versions were modified, and the floppies were on the speakup sight.
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 01:04:07AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > > Yes, all versions of Slackware 8.0 that I know of have Speakup in them. I
> > > think that is a part of the Slackware distribution now days. Which is really
> > > handy.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:12 AM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > but will the iso have speackup in it?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > > >
> > > > > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> > > > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> > > > more
> > > > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> > > works?
> > > > > (by
> > > > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > > > > context?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site
> > > better
> > > > > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> > > > > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> > > > > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
> > > > >
> > > > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this
> > > > using
> > > > > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace
> > > > key.
> > > > > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page
> > > > > press the plus key on the numpad.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
> > > than
> > > > > man
> > > > > > page?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save
> > > > it,
> > > > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > > > > printer under Linux.
> > > > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > > > megadots
> > > > > for dos using the dosemu program.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called
> > > Brailletty
> > > > > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and
> > > > see
> > > > > how it works.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
> > > os?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
> > > > documentation
> > > > > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> > > > > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > great book for beginners.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > > >
> > > > > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming.
> > > > They
> > > > > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming
> > > in
> > > > 21
> > > > > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself
> > > > > gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> > > > > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind,
> > > but
> > > > > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to
> > > > clean
> > > > > scanned.
> > > > > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not
> > > that
> > > > > much different than in dos.
> > > > > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms,
> > > > and
> > > > > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
> > > > completion.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
> > > > easier
> > > > > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer
> > > > > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive,
> > > > and
> > > > > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2) running the os
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user,
> > > > and
> > > > > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time
> > > leads
> > > > > to problems if you are not careful.
> > > > > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
> > > > folder
> > > > > and typed something like:
> > > > > rm -rf *
> > > > > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he
> > > smoked
> > > > > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > >
> > > > > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not
> > > > > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > > >
> > > > > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not
> > > > give
> > > > > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or
> > > anything
> > > > > with alot of graphical widgits.
> > > > > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and
> > > > > released with Gnome 2.0.
> > > > > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In
> > > > > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one
> > > you
> > > > > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will
> > > > say
> > > > > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

hey, he wanted to know Speakups limatations and I told him. Weather anyone
wants to believe it or not x-windows is a big part of the sited world.
Users that come from MS Windows often ask me if Linux has a gui just like
Windows, and they want that ease of use. Many blind users won't use Linux
just because they can't use x.

I still use Windows and Linux, because I don't have the option of the rich
apps for x. I'd like to be able to use Gnofin, Star Office, and plenty of
other apps that should be accessible once Gnopernicus comes out.

I have a vary fast 1.2 GHZ ddesktop computer with lots of ram, and x moves
like a demon on my computer. I haven't noticed any memory or speed loss
using x. X even runs pretty decently on my laptop which is only a p166 with
80 MB of ram. X operates better than MS Windows as far as speed, and I'm not
sure what you are getting at as a memory hog.

The point here is that the sighted world does use X for almost everything,
and we should have access to that interface as well. I'll use any interface
that gets me where I want to go, and any apps I chose to. Frankly, i am not
sure why people complain about anyone who shows an interest in a graphical
interface. The shell interface is not for everyone. I frankly can't remember
every single command for Linux, and know it would be easier just to click a
button or menu item to do that command.

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes it can. If that seems strange to you, then just stick it in the drive, and go to it in windows explorrer or my computer.
Greg



On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:25:14AM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> So, can the cd be read from a windows box (to ge the boot ans speech
> specific disks off of it to boot the system for the first time?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> 
> 
> > No, only slackware 8.0 has speakup in it by default from the slackware
> team. Previous versions were modified, and the floppies were on the speakup
> sight.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 01:04:07AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > > Yes, all versions of Slackware 8.0 that I know of have Speakup in them.
> I
> > > think that is a part of the Slackware distribution now days. Which is
> really
> > > handy.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:12 AM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > >
> > >
> > > > but will the iso have speackup in it?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar@tamu.edu>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1
> with
> > > > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > > >
> > > > > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> > > > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are
> some
> > > > more
> > > > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> > > works?
> > > > > (by
> > > > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > > > > context?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site
> > > better
> > > > > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> > > > > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> > > > > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
> > > > >
> > > > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a
> time?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do
> this
> > > > using
> > > > > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the
> backspace
> > > > key.
> > > > > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that
> page
> > > > > press the plus key on the numpad.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille
> out
> > > than
> > > > > man
> > > > > > page?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file,
> save
> > > > it,
> > > > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a
> braille
> > > > > printer under Linux.
> > > > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > > > megadots
> > > > > for dos using the dosemu program.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called
> > > Brailletty
> > > > > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it
> and
> > > > see
> > > > > how it works.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my
> new
> > > os?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
> > > > documentation
> > > > > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> > > > > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but
> still
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > great book for beginners.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > > >
> > > > > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific
> programming.
> > > > They
> > > > > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++
> programming
> > > in
> > > > 21
> > > > > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach
> yourself
> > > > > gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> > > > > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the
> blind,
> > > but
> > > > > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not
> to
> > > > clean
> > > > > scanned.
> > > > > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is
> not
> > > that
> > > > > much different than in dos.
> > > > > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across
> platforms,
> > > > and
> > > > > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
> > > > completion.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
> > > > easier
> > > > > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive
> drawer
> > > > > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows
> drive,
> > > > and
> > > > > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a
> multiboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2) running the os
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal
> user,
> > > > and
> > > > > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time
> > > leads
> > > > > to problems if you are not careful.
> > > > > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
> > > > folder
> > > > > and typed something like:
> > > > > rm -rf *
> > > > > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he
> > > smoked
> > > > > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > >
> > > > > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is
> not
> > > > > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you
> want,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > > >
> > > > > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will
> not
> > > > give
> > > > > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or
> > > anything
> > > > > with alot of graphical widgits.
> > > > > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished,
> and
> > > > > released with Gnome 2.0.
> > > > > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on.
> In
> > > > > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the
> one
> > > you
> > > > > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it
> will
> > > > say
> > > > > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

No, that command will only write the boot image to an actual floppy, which you can then boot.

A list of syntheizers along with how to get started is in the speakup docs in the root directory of the slackware install cd.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:29:48AM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> will the following command find the accent pc card?  (This is the synth I am
> using).
> rawrite speakup.i a:\
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:31:43AM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> this is correct.
> 
> Now the next question is, will this same cd (the cd that the speakup disks
> were found on) be used for installing the os?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:28 AM
> Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> 
> 
> > Assuming your cd-rom drive is d: under windows, you get the speakup boot
> disk for ide drives from:
> > d:\bootdsks.144\speakup.i
> > The same procedure goes for the color.gz root disk which is in:
> > d:\rootdsks\color.gz
> > . Then you would write the images to the floppies as if you had gotten
> them off the speakup sight which is what it looks like you were planning to
> do.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:24:05PM -0600, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > > and How do I get the disk from the cd when the system is not booted
> (Linux)?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you get the iso, you don't need the 2 floppy images as they are on
> the
> > > cd itself.
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 03:44:16PM -0500, Keith Creasy wrote:
> > > > > I found slackware 8.0 and the talking installation disk images by
> going
> > > to
> > > > > www.slackware.com/getslack and choosing one of the FTP mirrors. I
> think
> > > it
> > > > > was sunsite.
> > > > >
> > > > > there was a text file in the slackware 8.0 directory that described
> how
> > > to
> > > > > download and install  slackware 8.0 with speakup. Basically I
> downloaded
> > > > > the slackware 8.0 ISO, the slackware.i boot image, and the color.gz
> root
> > > > > diske image.
> > > > >
> > > > > One thing I overlooked the first time I tried it was that you have
> to
> > > > > enter a command to get speakup to find your synthesizer awhen you
> boot
> > > > > with the diskette. When the diskette stops I had to enter "ramdisk
> > > > > speakup_synth=dtlk". this enabled it to talk through my doubletalk
> card.
> > > > > The rest of the installation was pretty much the normal series of
> steps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck!
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1
> with
> > > > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are
> some
> > > more
> > > > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> > > works?  (by
> > > > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > > context?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a
> time?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
> than
> > > man
> > > > > > page?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my
> new
> > > os?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > > > 2) running the os
> > > > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Gregory Nowak]

I've had the same exact question from people who come from ms windows. Their first remark when linux is mentioned is "I don't want to have to remember or type all the weird commands".
It is true that most if not all on this list are familiar with DOS commands, but we need to remember that windows is what some blind and sighted people know, and that is the only thing they know.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:59:33PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> hey, he wanted to know Speakups limatations and I told him. Weather anyone
> wants to believe it or not x-windows is a big part of the sited world.
> Users that come from MS Windows often ask me if Linux has a gui just like
> Windows, and they want that ease of use. Many blind users won't use Linux
> just because they can't use x.
> 
> I still use Windows and Linux, because I don't have the option of the rich
> apps for x. I'd like to be able to use Gnofin, Star Office, and plenty of
> other apps that should be accessible once Gnopernicus comes out.
> 
> I have a vary fast 1.2 GHZ ddesktop computer with lots of ram, and x moves
> like a demon on my computer. I haven't noticed any memory or speed loss
> using x. X even runs pretty decently on my laptop which is only a p166 with
> 80 MB of ram. X operates better than MS Windows as far as speed, and I'm not
> sure what you are getting at as a memory hog.
> 
> The point here is that the sighted world does use X for almost everything,
> and we should have access to that interface as well. I'll use any interface
> that gets me where I want to go, and any apps I chose to. Frankly, i am not
> sure why people complain about anyone who shows an interest in a graphical
> interface. The shell interface is not for everyone. I frankly can't remember
> every single command for Linux, and know it would be easier just to click a
> button or menu item to do that command.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Reinhard Stebner]

I would like to Thank all of you who helped me with my slackware install
qeusions.  I will be asking a lot more quesions once I ge tthe box booting
(or attempitng to get it to boot).  Bye for now.

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Charles Hallenbeck]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Reinhard Stebner wrote:

>
> are the square brackets these [] ?

Yes. The braces or curly brackets are these: { }
and the angle brackets are these: < >

Good luck with your Linux box when you get around to it.

Chuck

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Shaun Oliver]

thomas,
I'm in agreement with you.
the shell is not for everyone.
but having said that, if people think that lthe x-windows system is
going to be like ms windows, they have another thing coming.
they'll be both pleasantly surprised and in for a nasty shock.
in as much as with linux there isn't as many crashes as there is with
windows but by the same token, it pays to learn as much about your
machine as possible because linux isn't going to hand hold anybody
either.
those are just my thoughts.
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:

> hey, he wanted to know Speakups limatations and I told him. Weather anyone
> wants to believe it or not x-windows is a big part of the sited world.
> Users that come from MS Windows often ask me if Linux has a gui just like
> Windows, and they want that ease of use. Many blind users won't use Linux
> just because they can't use x.
> 
> I still use Windows and Linux, because I don't have the option of the rich
> apps for x. I'd like to be able to use Gnofin, Star Office, and plenty of
> other apps that should be accessible once Gnopernicus comes out.
> 
> I have a vary fast 1.2 GHZ ddesktop computer with lots of ram, and x moves
> like a demon on my computer. I haven't noticed any memory or speed loss
> using x. X even runs pretty decently on my laptop which is only a p166 with
> 80 MB of ram. X operates better than MS Windows as far as speed, and I'm not
> sure what you are getting at as a memory hog.
> 
> The point here is that the sighted world does use X for almost everything,
> and we should have access to that interface as well. I'll use any interface
> that gets me where I want to go, and any apps I chose to. Frankly, i am not
> sure why people complain about anyone who shows an interest in a graphical
> interface. The shell interface is not for everyone. I frankly can't remember
> every single command for Linux, and know it would be easier just to click a
> button or menu item to do that command.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
Shaun Oliver

Marriage is a three ring circus:
engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
                -- Roger Price

Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
Icq: 76958435

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Kirk Wood]

On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> I'm in agreement with you.
> the shell is not for everyone.
> but having said that, if people think that lthe x-windows system is
> going to be like ms windows, they have another thing coming.
> they'll be both pleasantly surprised and in for a nasty shock.
> in as much as with linux there isn't as many crashes as there is with
> windows but by the same token, it pays to learn as much about your
> machine as possible because linux isn't going to hand hold anybody
> either.

First, I want to challenge the notion that the sighted world all uses
X. Many of us (I am a sightling) don't. I will say the majority
due. Perhaps an overwhelming majority do. But the impression I have gotten
when I last went to a Linux User Group in the Dallas area is that many
still use a command shell window within X.

As for the stability factor, I haven't tried X in about 2 years. But 2
years ago X had a long way to hve the stability of WIndows 9.x. I know
that is blasphemy, but it is the truth. Perhaps the latest version are
much better. I know that XFree has moved into the 4 series. But don't
think that for a minute XFree 3 is as stable as Windows. I simply isn't,
the good news being that you don't have to take the entire system down to
recover. But if you have to restart the Windows, you have still lost
everything that was running in that session. And it is still unstable.

I would compare XFree version 3 with Windows version 3.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

One of the most overlooked advantages to computers is...  If they do
foul up, there's no law against whacking them around a little.
	-- Joe Martin

Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Shaun Oliver]

I'll take that point.
I still think no matter what os u run and no matter what interface you
use,
it pays to learn as much about your system as possible and also as much
about the internet and it's protocols as you can handle. just for the
sake of being able to get yourself out of the pooh.
and as I've never used x, mainly because I can't, I suppose I shouldn't
have made that statement but, by the same token, it doesn't hurt to be
corrected. lol!
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > I'm in agreement with you.
> > the shell is not for everyone.
> > but having said that, if people think that lthe x-windows system is
> > going to be like ms windows, they have another thing coming.
> > they'll be both pleasantly surprised and in for a nasty shock.
> > in as much as with linux there isn't as many crashes as there is with
> > windows but by the same token, it pays to learn as much about your
> > machine as possible because linux isn't going to hand hold anybody
> > either.
> 
> First, I want to challenge the notion that the sighted world all uses
> X. Many of us (I am a sightling) don't. I will say the majority
> due. Perhaps an overwhelming majority do. But the impression I have gotten
> when I last went to a Linux User Group in the Dallas area is that many
> still use a command shell window within X.
> 
> As for the stability factor, I haven't tried X in about 2 years. But 2
> years ago X had a long way to hve the stability of WIndows 9.x. I know
> that is blasphemy, but it is the truth. Perhaps the latest version are
> much better. I know that XFree has moved into the 4 series. But don't
> think that for a minute XFree 3 is as stable as Windows. I simply isn't,
> the good news being that you don't have to take the entire system down to
> recover. But if you have to restart the Windows, you have still lost
> everything that was running in that session. And it is still unstable.
> 
> I would compare XFree version 3 with Windows version 3.
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> One of the most overlooked advantages to computers is...  If they do
> foul up, there's no law against whacking them around a little.
> 	-- Joe Martin
> 
> 
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-- 
Shaun Oliver

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engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
                -- Roger Price

Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, kirk. It is true most sited people use alot of things via xterm, but
think how many commandline apps there are that are not x based. Gcc comes to
mind.

Well, I know there is a new x server in Red Hat 7.2 and from what mmy family
tells me it seams to operate pretty good. They use it more than I do, and
they seam to like it alright.

At least it is a low cost alternative to MS Windows, and we can expect x to
get more stable as development is done to it to improve it.


----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > I'm in agreement with you.
> > the shell is not for everyone.
> > but having said that, if people think that lthe x-windows system is
> > going to be like ms windows, they have another thing coming.
> > they'll be both pleasantly surprised and in for a nasty shock.
> > in as much as with linux there isn't as many crashes as there is with
> > windows but by the same token, it pays to learn as much about your
> > machine as possible because linux isn't going to hand hold anybody
> > either.
>
> First, I want to challenge the notion that the sighted world all uses
> X. Many of us (I am a sightling) don't. I will say the majority
> due. Perhaps an overwhelming majority do. But the impression I have gotten
> when I last went to a Linux User Group in the Dallas area is that many
> still use a command shell window within X.
>
> As for the stability factor, I haven't tried X in about 2 years. But 2
> years ago X had a long way to hve the stability of WIndows 9.x. I know
> that is blasphemy, but it is the truth. Perhaps the latest version are
> much better. I know that XFree has moved into the 4 series. But don't
> think that for a minute XFree 3 is as stable as Windows. I simply isn't,
> the good news being that you don't have to take the entire system down to
> recover. But if you have to restart the Windows, you have still lost
> everything that was running in that session. And it is still unstable.
>
> I would compare XFree version 3 with Windows version 3.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> One of the most overlooked advantages to computers is...  If they do
> foul up, there's no law against whacking them around a little.
> -- Joe Martin
>
>
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Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

[Thomas Ward]

Nope. X won't hold anyones hands. You have to learn Linux from the ground
up.
You should know both the shell and x to really get a feel for the os and
it's abilities. For us at this point we make do with the shell, but the day
will come when we can use x for word processing and such, and shell for
other things.


----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Oliver <shauno@goanna.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0


> thomas,
> I'm in agreement with you.
> the shell is not for everyone.
> but having said that, if people think that lthe x-windows system is
> going to be like ms windows, they have another thing coming.
> they'll be both pleasantly surprised and in for a nasty shock.
> in as much as with linux there isn't as many crashes as there is with
> windows but by the same token, it pays to learn as much about your
> machine as possible because linux isn't going to hand hold anybody
> either.
> those are just my thoughts.
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > hey, he wanted to know Speakups limatations and I told him. Weather
anyone
> > wants to believe it or not x-windows is a big part of the sited world.
> > Users that come from MS Windows often ask me if Linux has a gui just
like
> > Windows, and they want that ease of use. Many blind users won't use
Linux
> > just because they can't use x.
> >
> > I still use Windows and Linux, because I don't have the option of the
rich
> > apps for x. I'd like to be able to use Gnofin, Star Office, and plenty
of
> > other apps that should be accessible once Gnopernicus comes out.
> >
> > I have a vary fast 1.2 GHZ ddesktop computer with lots of ram, and x
moves
> > like a demon on my computer. I haven't noticed any memory or speed loss
> > using x. X even runs pretty decently on my laptop which is only a p166
with
> > 80 MB of ram. X operates better than MS Windows as far as speed, and I'm
not
> > sure what you are getting at as a memory hog.
> >
> > The point here is that the sighted world does use X for almost
everything,
> > and we should have access to that interface as well. I'll use any
interface
> > that gets me where I want to go, and any apps I chose to. Frankly, i am
not
> > sure why people complain about anyone who shows an interest in a
graphical
> > interface. The shell interface is not for everyone. I frankly can't
remember
> > every single command for Linux, and know it would be easier just to
click a
> > button or menu item to do that command.
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Shaun Oliver
>
> Marriage is a three ring circus:
> engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
>                 -- Roger Price
>
> Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
> Icq: 76958435
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