* RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
@ Amanda Lee
` Thomas Ward
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca
Hmmm I know that it is likely that RH 6.2 with Speakup enabled does not have
the most current version of Speakup patched into the Kernel but here's an
interesting comment from a friend whose judgement I respect a good deal.
So to the other experts herein, please share your thoughts.
He prefers RH 6.2 for the following reason:
RH 7.2 seems to be significantly slower, with lots more disk thrashing, and
it's
not just X Windows (although it's also significantly slower).
So my question is... What is enabled in RH 7.2 that you won't see in RH 6.2
Amanda Lee
Alexandria, VA
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2 Amanda Lee
@ ` Thomas Ward
` Richard Villa
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help spead
things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the kudzu
pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and attempts to
configure it for you.
A second change is the X-Windows server ois much newer, but on my 1.2 GHZ
box the little drop in spead is worth getting all the new tools. At least
for me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:18 PM
Subject: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
>
> Hmmm I know that it is likely that RH 6.2 with Speakup enabled does not
have
> the most current version of Speakup patched into the Kernel but here's an
> interesting comment from a friend whose judgement I respect a good deal.
>
> So to the other experts herein, please share your thoughts.
>
> He prefers RH 6.2 for the following reason:
> RH 7.2 seems to be significantly slower, with lots more disk thrashing,
and
> it's
> not just X Windows (although it's also significantly slower).
>
> So my question is... What is enabled in RH 7.2 that you won't see in RH
6.2
>
> Amanda Lee
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
` Thomas Ward
@ ` Richard Villa
` Thomas Ward
` Mitchell
` Kirk Wood
` Darrell Shandrow
2 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Richard Villa @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
When you do a clean install of RH7.2, does the system use the ext 3 FS
by default?
If not, is there a way to do a convertion without having to do a
complete reinstall?
Richard
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help spead
> things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the kudzu
> pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and attempts to
> configure it for you.
> A second change is the X-Windows server ois much newer, but on my 1.2 GHZ
> box the little drop in spead is worth getting all the new tools. At least
> for me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:18 PM
> Subject: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
>
>
> >
> > Hmmm I know that it is likely that RH 6.2 with Speakup enabled does not
> have
> > the most current version of Speakup patched into the Kernel but here's an
> > interesting comment from a friend whose judgement I respect a good deal.
> >
> > So to the other experts herein, please share your thoughts.
> >
> > He prefers RH 6.2 for the following reason:
> > RH 7.2 seems to be significantly slower, with lots more disk thrashing,
> and
> > it's
> > not just X Windows (although it's also significantly slower).
> >
> > So my question is... What is enabled in RH 7.2 that you won't see in RH
> 6.2
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
` Richard Villa
@ ` Thomas Ward
` Mitchell
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi, yes. If you are doing a complete install of Red Hat 7.2, and you let it
create the file systems for you audomatically it will do ext3.
If you had an older ext2 file system in place when you did the install then
you probably have ext2.
I've never tried any type of fs conversion, and don't know if such a utility
exists.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Villa <rvilla1@swbell.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
> When you do a clean install of RH7.2, does the system use the ext 3 FS
> by default?
>
> If not, is there a way to do a convertion without having to do a
> complete reinstall?
>
> Richard
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help spead
> > things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> > One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the
kudzu
> > pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and
attempts to
> > configure it for you.
> > A second change is the X-Windows server ois much newer, but on my 1.2
GHZ
> > box the little drop in spead is worth getting all the new tools. At
least
> > for me.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:18 PM
> > Subject: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hmmm I know that it is likely that RH 6.2 with Speakup enabled does
not
> > have
> > > the most current version of Speakup patched into the Kernel but here's
an
> > > interesting comment from a friend whose judgement I respect a good
deal.
> > >
> > > So to the other experts herein, please share your thoughts.
> > >
> > > He prefers RH 6.2 for the following reason:
> > > RH 7.2 seems to be significantly slower, with lots more disk
thrashing,
> > and
> > > it's
> > > not just X Windows (although it's also significantly slower).
> > >
> > > So my question is... What is enabled in RH 7.2 that you won't see in
RH
> > 6.2
> > >
> > > Amanda Lee
> > > Alexandria, VA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
` Richard Villa
` Thomas Ward
@ ` Mitchell
` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mitchell @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
yes, you can convert an existing system.
First make sure you have ext3 fs support in your kernel
cat /proc/filesystems
you should see
extention 3 fs
if that is the case you can convert your filesystems by doing the following.
1. unmount the filesystem if possible
2. tunefs -j /dev/hda5
replacing hda5 with the device your filesystem is actually on.
4. edit /etc/fstab and find the entry for that filesystem, change the 3rd field "ext2" to "ext3" and save the file
5. remount the filesystem
and your done.
For this reason ext3 is a much easyer filesystem to migrate too rather than something like reiserfs or XFS.
however I must say I have had much better performance results from the SGI, XFS filesystem than ext3, but yes it's not as
easy to convert to.
Hope this helps.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 04:40:20AM -0600, Richard Villa wrote:
> When you do a clean install of RH7.2, does the system use the ext 3 FS
> by default?
>
> If not, is there a way to do a convertion without having to do a
> complete reinstall?
>
> Richard
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help spead
> > things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> > One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the kudzu
> > pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and attempts to
> > configure it for you.
> > A second change is the X-Windows server ois much newer, but on my 1.2 GHZ
> > box the little drop in spead is worth getting all the new tools. At least
> > for me.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:18 PM
> > Subject: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hmmm I know that it is likely that RH 6.2 with Speakup enabled does not
> > have
> > > the most current version of Speakup patched into the Kernel but here's an
> > > interesting comment from a friend whose judgement I respect a good deal.
> > >
> > > So to the other experts herein, please share your thoughts.
> > >
> > > He prefers RH 6.2 for the following reason:
> > > RH 7.2 seems to be significantly slower, with lots more disk thrashing,
> > and
> > > it's
> > > not just X Windows (although it's also significantly slower).
> > >
> > > So my question is... What is enabled in RH 7.2 that you won't see in RH
> > 6.2
> > >
> > > Amanda Lee
> > > Alexandria, VA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
` Mitchell
@ ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Extremely important!! If you're converting the root partition to ext3 and
you're using a stock RedHat kernel, ext3 is compiled as a module. After
setting the line in /etc/fstab to ext3, do: mkinitrd
/boot/initrd-<version_of_kernel>.img <version_of_kernel>.
for example: if you're using version 2.4.9-21 of the kernel, do: mkinitrd
/boot/initrd-2.4.9-21.img 2.4.9-21
next, add the following to the section pertaining to the kernel you're
using.
initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.9-21.img
Then run lilo and make sure you don't see any errors. If anything fails,
you can get out of it by changing the references in fstab back to ext2
before rebooting. Also, the command to add the journal is tune2fs.
HTH.
Bill in Denver
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Mitchell wrote:
>
> yes, you can convert an existing system.
>
> First make sure you have ext3 fs support in your kernel
>
>
> cat /proc/filesystems
>
> you should see
>
> extention 3 fs
>
>
> if that is the case you can convert your filesystems by doing the following.
>
> 1. unmount the filesystem if possible
>
> 2. tunefs -j /dev/hda5
>
> replacing hda5 with the device your filesystem is actually on.
>
> 4. edit /etc/fstab and find the entry for that filesystem, change the 3rd field "ext2" to "ext3" and save the file
>
>
> 5. remount the filesystem
>
> and your done.
>
> For this reason ext3 is a much easyer filesystem to migrate too rather than something like reiserfs or XFS.
>
> however I must say I have had much better performance results from the SGI, XFS filesystem than ext3, but yes it's not as
> easy to convert to.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 04:40:20AM -0600, Richard Villa wrote:
> > When you do a clean install of RH7.2, does the system use the ext 3 FS
> > by default?
> >
> > If not, is there a way to do a convertion without having to do a
> > complete reinstall?
> >
> > Richard
> > On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help spead
> > > things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> > > One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the kudzu
> > > pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and attempts to
> > > configure it for you.
> > > A second change is the X-Windows server ois much newer, but on my 1.2 GHZ
> > > box the little drop in spead is worth getting all the new tools. At least
> > > for me.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > > To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:18 PM
> > > Subject: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm I know that it is likely that RH 6.2 with Speakup enabled does not
> > > have
> > > > the most current version of Speakup patched into the Kernel but here's an
> > > > interesting comment from a friend whose judgement I respect a good deal.
> > > >
> > > > So to the other experts herein, please share your thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > He prefers RH 6.2 for the following reason:
> > > > RH 7.2 seems to be significantly slower, with lots more disk thrashing,
> > > and
> > > > it's
> > > > not just X Windows (although it's also significantly slower).
> > > >
> > > > So my question is... What is enabled in RH 7.2 that you won't see in RH
> > > 6.2
> > > >
> > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
` Thomas Ward
` Richard Villa
@ ` Kirk Wood
` Thomas Ward
` Darrell Shandrow
2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
> Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help spead
> things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the kudzu
> pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and attempts to
> configure it for you.
Oh please tell me that this is not a representation of what is in store
for the linux comunity. Switching to an more effecient file system for
poor OS performance sounds like a m$ thing.
As for Kudzu, from what I have seen it is more of a boot thing. You can
certainly turn it off and I would do so if you aren't adding and
subtracting hardware. I mean why run it? I suppose so that you could avoid
a reboot after 65 days of adding no new hardware and deciding you wanted
something. Oh wait, you had to shut it down to connect it anyway. Or if
not, you could always restart the service midstream anyway.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
Nowlan's Theory:
He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
the next freeway exit.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
` Kirk Wood
@ ` Thomas Ward
` Victor Tsaran
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Well, ext3 has many other advantages than just proformence. It supports
journaling, and is much more stable to boot.
I actually switched off my computer a number of times to see if I could kill
the file system, and it remained in tact. Try that with a MS fs or the ext2
file system, and it would be screwed.
Anyone wants to stay with older technology when there is improved technology
can go ahead. Another man's loss is another man's gain.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
> > Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help spead
> > things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> > One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the
kudzu
> > pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and
attempts to
> > configure it for you.
>
> Oh please tell me that this is not a representation of what is in store
> for the linux comunity. Switching to an more effecient file system for
> poor OS performance sounds like a m$ thing.
>
> As for Kudzu, from what I have seen it is more of a boot thing. You can
> certainly turn it off and I would do so if you aren't adding and
> subtracting hardware. I mean why run it? I suppose so that you could avoid
> a reboot after 65 days of adding no new hardware and deciding you wanted
> something. Oh wait, you had to shut it down to connect it anyway. Or if
> not, you could always restart the service midstream anyway.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> Nowlan's Theory:
> He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
> the next freeway exit.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
` Thomas Ward
@ ` Victor Tsaran
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Victor Tsaran @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
NTFS works in the same way as Ext3 does. Let's not take away from Ms$
whatever is good in their OS.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
> Well, ext3 has many other advantages than just proformence. It supports
> journaling, and is much more stable to boot.
> I actually switched off my computer a number of times to see if I could
kill
> the file system, and it remained in tact. Try that with a MS fs or the
ext2
> file system, and it would be screwed.
> Anyone wants to stay with older technology when there is improved
technology
> can go ahead. Another man's loss is another man's gain.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:58 AM
> Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
>
>
> > > Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help
spead
> > > things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> > > One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the
> kudzu
> > > pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and
> attempts to
> > > configure it for you.
> >
> > Oh please tell me that this is not a representation of what is in store
> > for the linux comunity. Switching to an more effecient file system for
> > poor OS performance sounds like a m$ thing.
> >
> > As for Kudzu, from what I have seen it is more of a boot thing. You can
> > certainly turn it off and I would do so if you aren't adding and
> > subtracting hardware. I mean why run it? I suppose so that you could
avoid
> > a reboot after 65 days of adding no new hardware and deciding you wanted
> > something. Oh wait, you had to shut it down to connect it anyway. Or if
> > not, you could always restart the service midstream anyway.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > Nowlan's Theory:
> > He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
> > the next freeway exit.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
` Thomas Ward
` Richard Villa
` Kirk Wood
@ ` Darrell Shandrow
2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Darrell Shandrow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi Thomas,
I am also now running RedHat 7.2 on two Linux boxes (thanks to the advice
of Janina and others here on the list) and I have no complaints overall,
except that the IPOP3 is slow. Any ideas as to why?
Thanks.
At 11:03 PM 1/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help spead
>things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
>One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the kudzu
>pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and attempts to
>configure it for you.
>A second change is the X-Windows server ois much newer, but on my 1.2 GHZ
>box the little drop in spead is worth getting all the new tools. At least
>for me.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
>To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:18 PM
>Subject: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
>
>
> >
> > Hmmm I know that it is likely that RH 6.2 with Speakup enabled does not
>have
> > the most current version of Speakup patched into the Kernel but here's an
> > interesting comment from a friend whose judgement I respect a good deal.
> >
> > So to the other experts herein, please share your thoughts.
> >
> > He prefers RH 6.2 for the following reason:
> > RH 7.2 seems to be significantly slower, with lots more disk thrashing,
>and
> > it's
> > not just X Windows (although it's also significantly slower).
> >
> > So my question is... What is enabled in RH 7.2 that you won't see in RH
>6.2
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
Best regards and happy New Year,
Darrell
Access technology consulting / network and UNIX systems administration.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* RE: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
@ Dawes, Stephen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
With Redhat 7.2, you are starting with a 2.4 series of kernel.
I may be wrong, but kudzu was part of RedHat 6.2 as well, I remember
using it for quite some time.
kudzu is not only available at boot, or needed to be run as a service,
you can manually run it as well.
To take kudzu and anything out of your boot, run setup from the command
line, when logged in as root.
Setup will allow you to fine tune your boot to a certain point by giving
you the ability of saying what you want to start automatically on boot.
Setup is a nice utility that works well with speakup.
Redhat 7.2 will allow you to choose the file structure that you want to
use for your hard drive. It includes ext3, mentioned in Kirk's note, as
well as reiser fs. However, this is not a Redhat specific thing, it is a
kernel driven thing. So if you don't have the support built into the
kernel, you will not be able to use them.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Wood [mailto:cpt.kirk@1tree.net]
Sent: 2002 January 30 5:59 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
> Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help
spead
> things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with the
kudzu
> pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and
attempts to
> configure it for you.
Oh please tell me that this is not a representation of what is in store
for the linux comunity. Switching to an more effecient file system for
poor OS performance sounds like a m$ thing.
As for Kudzu, from what I have seen it is more of a boot thing. You can
certainly turn it off and I would do so if you aren't adding and
subtracting hardware. I mean why run it? I suppose so that you could
avoid
a reboot after 65 days of adding no new hardware and deciding you wanted
something. Oh wait, you had to shut it down to connect it anyway. Or if
not, you could always restart the service midstream anyway.
=======
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@ Dawes, Stephen
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What are you smoking, ntfs and the nt os leaves a lot to be desired. NT
does not handle a hard shut down and power up nearly as good as EXT3.
Speaking from personal experience. NT leavies a number of .tmp files
laying around after such a cycle. I don't see linux and ext3 doing this.
In M$ defence, they have done a better of handling this in Windows 2000
and NTFS, but it is still not perfect, or as reliable as ext3 and linux.
Oh yeah, I have found that the same holds true for linux and reiserfs,
and its superiority over ntfs. I can not prove it, but I find reiserfs
better then ext3. I think it is based on what I have read so far on both
systems, but that is all I'll say on this.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Tsaran [mailto:tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl]
Sent: 2002 January 30 12:42 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
NTFS works in the same way as Ext3 does. Let's not take away from Ms$
whatever is good in their OS.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
> Well, ext3 has many other advantages than just proformence. It
supports
> journaling, and is much more stable to boot.
> I actually switched off my computer a number of times to see if I
could
kill
> the file system, and it remained in tact. Try that with a MS fs or the
ext2
> file system, and it would be screwed.
> Anyone wants to stay with older technology when there is improved
technology
> can go ahead. Another man's loss is another man's gain.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:58 AM
> Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Versus RH 7.2
>
>
> > > Well, I've noticed that slow down in spead myself. One way to help
spead
> > > things up is to use the ext3 fs which works much better than ext2.
> > > One major difference between 6.2 and 7.2 is that 7.2 comes with
the
> kudzu
> > > pnp hardware maniger. Kudzu tracks new and removed hardware, and
> attempts to
> > > configure it for you.
> >
> > Oh please tell me that this is not a representation of what is in
store
> > for the linux comunity. Switching to an more effecient file system
for
> > poor OS performance sounds like a m$ thing.
> >
> > As for Kudzu, from what I have seen it is more of a boot thing. You
can
> > certainly turn it off and I would do so if you aren't adding and
> > subtracting hardware. I mean why run it? I suppose so that you could
avoid
> > a reboot after 65 days of adding no new hardware and deciding you
wanted
> > something. Oh wait, you had to shut it down to connect it anyway. Or
if
> > not, you could always restart the service midstream anyway.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > Nowlan's Theory:
> > He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
> > the next freeway exit.
> >
> >
> >
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