Standalone E-Mail

Standalone E-Mail

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Brett:

I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main
machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's
far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.

So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:

1.)	I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
establishing a ppp connection;

2.)	Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --

	sendmail -q0

	that's send mail dash q zero

to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.

This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's
only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail
command.

This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and
whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later
transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm
online.

PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.



-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi, Janina!
I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a coincidence!
Regards,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM
Subject: Standalone E-Mail


> Hi, Brett:
>
> I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
> computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main
> machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
> because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's
> far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
>
> So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
>
> 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
> establishing a ppp connection;
>
> 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
>
> sendmail -q0
>
> that's send mail dash q zero
>
> to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
>
> This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's
> only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail
> command.
>
> This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
> whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and
> whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later
> transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm
> online.
>
> PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Information Systems Research & Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> janina@afb.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Victor:

Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a
mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only
slows down system performance.

Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while
off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and
someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right
then.

				Janina


On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Hi, Janina!
> I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a coincidence!
> Regards,
> Vic
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM
> Subject: Standalone E-Mail
> 
> 
> > Hi, Brett:
> >
> > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
> > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main
> > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
> > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's
> > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
> >
> > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
> >
> > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
> > establishing a ppp connection;
> >
> > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
> >
> > sendmail -q0
> >
> > that's send mail dash q zero
> >
> > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
> >
> > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's
> > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail
> > command.
> >
> > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
> > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and
> > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later
> > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm
> > online.
> >
> > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Information Systems Research & Development
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > janina@afb.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[Janina Sajka]

It slows the boot process considerably on my system.

Also, I was not suggesting keeping a queu of outgoing mail for 4 or 5
days. I was saying that our isp holds our incoming mail that long, giving
us a chance to fix whatever it is that is keeping us off-line. This is
sufficient to hold mail should the server go down at the beginning of a
three or four day holliday weekend--assuming no one would go in just to
fix mail for a company that's not open for business.


On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows
> down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries
> the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I
> wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent!
> Vic
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail
> 
> 
> > Hi, Victor:
> >
> > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a
> > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only
> > slows down system performance.
> >
> > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while
> > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and
> > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right
> > then.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Janina!
> > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a
> coincidence!
> > > Regards,
> > > Vic
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM
> > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, Brett:
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
> > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my
> main
> > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
> > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe,
> it's
> > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
> > > >
> > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
> > > >
> > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
> > > > establishing a ppp connection;
> > > >
> > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
> > > >
> > > > sendmail -q0
> > > >
> > > > that's send mail dash q zero
> > > >
> > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
> > > >
> > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system.
> It's
> > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific
> sendmail
> > > > command.
> > > >
> > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
> > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room,
> and
> > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for
> later
> > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once
> I'm
> > > > online.
> > > >
> > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Information Systems Research & Development
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > janina@afb.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Information Systems Research & Development
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > janina@afb.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[brent harding]

I don't know what exim's default behavior is. I had a really hard time
getting majordomo to work, because I had to set a user for piped aliases to
run under, I chose mail, it seems to work good now. What happens if you set
pine to use the isp's server? Then it'll probably fail. My isp doesn't care
which way I do it, the mail goes out whether or not I use my system or
their system to send mail out, but if I use mine, the from header isn't
right because I use a dynamic dns service to map my ip to a name, and it
sends from that address. That's the whole business that I'd need something
to handle mail when I'm offline so I can use my local delivery in pine, so
I don't have to switch smtp servers in tons of locations across the system
when I switch providers.
At 06:29 PM 6/25/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows
>down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries
>the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I
>wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent!
>Vic
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM
>Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail
>
>
>> Hi, Victor:
>>
>> Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a
>> mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only
>> slows down system performance.
>>
>> Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while
>> off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and
>> someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right
>> then.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, Janina!
>> > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a
>coincidence!
>> > Regards,
>> > Vic
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
>> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM
>> > Subject: Standalone E-Mail
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi, Brett:
>> > >
>> > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
>> > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my
>main
>> > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
>> > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe,
>it's
>> > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
>> > >
>> > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
>> > >
>> > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
>> > > establishing a ppp connection;
>> > >
>> > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
>> > >
>> > > sendmail -q0
>> > >
>> > > that's send mail dash q zero
>> > >
>> > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
>> > >
>> > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system.
>It's
>> > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific
>sendmail
>> > > command.
>> > >
>> > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
>> > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room,
>and
>> > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for
>later
>> > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once
>I'm
>> > > online.
>> > >
>> > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Janina Sajka, Director
>> > > Information Systems Research & Development
>> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> > >
>> > > janina@afb.net
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Speakup mailing list
>> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>> Janina Sajka, Director
>> Information Systems Research & Development
>> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>>
>> janina@afb.net
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[brent harding]

Do they bounce mail right away, those warnings that listservers
auto-unsubscribe you because of?
My provider seems to be down enough to be kicked off of lists some times,
thanks to their majordomo bounce script. If there was intelligence in that
thing to not unsubscribe you because of a warning.
At 06:53 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
>It slows the boot process considerably on my system.
>
>Also, I was not suggesting keeping a queu of outgoing mail for 4 or 5
>days. I was saying that our isp holds our incoming mail that long, giving
>us a chance to fix whatever it is that is keeping us off-line. This is
>sufficient to hold mail should the server go down at the beginning of a
>three or four day holliday weekend--assuming no one would go in just to
>fix mail for a company that's not open for business.
>
>
>On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
>> Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows
>> down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries
>> the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I
>> wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent!
>> Vic
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail
>> 
>> 
>> > Hi, Victor:
>> >
>> > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a
>> > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only
>> > slows down system performance.
>> >
>> > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while
>> > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and
>> > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right
>> > then.
>> >
>> > Janina
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi, Janina!
>> > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a
>> coincidence!
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Vic
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
>> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM
>> > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Hi, Brett:
>> > > >
>> > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
>> > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my
>> main
>> > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
>> > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe,
>> it's
>> > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
>> > > >
>> > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
>> > > >
>> > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
>> > > > establishing a ppp connection;
>> > > >
>> > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
>> > > >
>> > > > sendmail -q0
>> > > >
>> > > > that's send mail dash q zero
>> > > >
>> > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
>> > > >
>> > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system.
>> It's
>> > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific
>> sendmail
>> > > > command.
>> > > >
>> > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without
trouble,
>> > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room,
>> and
>> > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for
>> later
>> > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once
>> I'm
>> > > > online.
>> > > >
>> > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my
isp.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
>> > > > Information Systems Research & Development
>> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> > > >
>> > > > janina@afb.net
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > Speakup mailing list
>> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Speakup mailing list
>> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Janina Sajka, Director
>> > Information Systems Research & Development
>> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> > janina@afb.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Information Systems Research & Development
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[Janina Sajka]

No, they do not bounce. Mail simply queus until our server is back online.
Our current isp is concentric. Previously we were using Digex with the
same behavior.

PS: When we first set up our mail service back around 1997 we actually
tested this by intentionally killing the sendmail processes for a weekend.

On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:

> Do they bounce mail right away, those warnings that listservers
> auto-unsubscribe you because of?
> My provider seems to be down enough to be kicked off of lists some times,
> thanks to their majordomo bounce script. If there was intelligence in that
> thing to not unsubscribe you because of a warning.
> At 06:53 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >It slows the boot process considerably on my system.
> >
> >Also, I was not suggesting keeping a queu of outgoing mail for 4 or 5
> >days. I was saying that our isp holds our incoming mail that long, giving
> >us a chance to fix whatever it is that is keeping us off-line. This is
> >sufficient to hold mail should the server go down at the beginning of a
> >three or four day holliday weekend--assuming no one would go in just to
> >fix mail for a company that's not open for business.
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows
> >> down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries
> >> the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I
> >> wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent!
> >> Vic
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> >> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Hi, Victor:
> >> >
> >> > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a
> >> > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only
> >> > slows down system performance.
> >> >
> >> > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while
> >> > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and
> >> > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right
> >> > then.
> >> >
> >> > Janina
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi, Janina!
> >> > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a
> >> coincidence!
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > Vic
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> >> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM
> >> > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi, Brett:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
> >> > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my
> >> main
> >> > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
> >> > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe,
> >> it's
> >> > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
> >> > > > establishing a ppp connection;
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
> >> > > >
> >> > > > sendmail -q0
> >> > > >
> >> > > > that's send mail dash q zero
> >> > > >
> >> > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system.
> >> It's
> >> > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific
> >> sendmail
> >> > > > command.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without
> trouble,
> >> > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room,
> >> and
> >> > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for
> >> later
> >> > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once
> >> I'm
> >> > > > online.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my
> isp.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> >> > > > Information Systems Research & Development
> >> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > janina@afb.net
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > Speakup mailing list
> >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Speakup mailing list
> >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Janina Sajka, Director
> >> > Information Systems Research & Development
> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >
> >> > janina@afb.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Speakup mailing list
> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Information Systems Research & Development
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >janina@afb.net
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[brent harding]

Wow, my isp bounces mail if I'm off for four hours, so did my previous one.
I don't know what'll happen if or when I get dsl or something. Don't know
when it'll come to our area, but a guy told me that I could run anything I
want with it, this new site bungi.com sounds promising for uucp, I've never
used that, and don't know how to configure it, but it sounds like it'll do
what I need, and it's free, I hear. I can't find the signup form on their
site though, and they say they'll feed it over the internet, how cool!!
		At 07:09 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
>No, they do not bounce. Mail simply queus until our server is back online.
>Our current isp is concentric. Previously we were using Digex with the
>same behavior.
>
>PS: When we first set up our mail service back around 1997 we actually
>tested this by intentionally killing the sendmail processes for a weekend.
>
>On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:
>
>> Do they bounce mail right away, those warnings that listservers
>> auto-unsubscribe you because of?
>> My provider seems to be down enough to be kicked off of lists some times,
>> thanks to their majordomo bounce script. If there was intelligence in that
>> thing to not unsubscribe you because of a warning.
>> At 06:53 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >It slows the boot process considerably on my system.
>> >
>> >Also, I was not suggesting keeping a queu of outgoing mail for 4 or 5
>> >days. I was saying that our isp holds our incoming mail that long, giving
>> >us a chance to fix whatever it is that is keeping us off-line. This is
>> >sufficient to hold mail should the server go down at the beginning of a
>> >three or four day holliday weekend--assuming no one would go in just to
>> >fix mail for a company that's not open for business.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon
slows
>> >> down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply
tries
>> >> the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I
>> >> wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent!
>> >> Vic
>> >> 
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
>> >> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> > Hi, Victor:
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of
having a
>> >> > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only
>> >> > slows down system performance.
>> >> >
>> >> > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while
>> >> > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and
>> >> > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it
right
>> >> > then.
>> >> >
>> >> > Janina
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hi, Janina!
>> >> > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a
>> >> coincidence!
>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > > Vic
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
>> >> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM
>> >> > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Hi, Brett:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my
notebook
>> >> > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my
>> >> main
>> >> > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I
travel
>> >> > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like
Europe,
>> >> it's
>> >> > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel
room.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp
after
>> >> > > > establishing a ppp connection;
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > sendmail -q0
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > that's send mail dash q zero
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my
system.
>> >> It's
>> >> > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific
>> >> sendmail
>> >> > > > command.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without
>> trouble,
>> >> > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my
room,
>> >> and
>> >> > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply
qued for
>> >> later
>> >> > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command
once
>> >> I'm
>> >> > > > online.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my
>> isp.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> > > > Information Systems Research & Development
>> >> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > janina@afb.net
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > _______________________________________________
>> >> > > > Speakup mailing list
>> >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > _______________________________________________
>> >> > > Speakup mailing list
>> >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> > Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> > Information Systems Research & Development
>> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >
>> >> > janina@afb.net
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Speakup mailing list
>> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> 
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >
>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >				Information Systems Research & Development
>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> >janina@afb.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
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>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Information Systems Research & Development
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>
>
>
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>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[Victor Tsaran]

Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows
down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries
the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I
wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent!
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail


> Hi, Victor:
>
> Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a
> mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only
> slows down system performance.
>
> Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while
> off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and
> someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right
> then.
>
> Janina
>
>
> On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
> > Hi, Janina!
> > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a
coincidence!
> > Regards,
> > Vic
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM
> > Subject: Standalone E-Mail
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Brett:
> > >
> > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
> > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my
main
> > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
> > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe,
it's
> > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
> > >
> > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
> > >
> > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
> > > establishing a ppp connection;
> > >
> > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
> > >
> > > sendmail -q0
> > >
> > > that's send mail dash q zero
> > >
> > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
> > >
> > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system.
It's
> > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific
sendmail
> > > command.
> > >
> > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
> > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room,
and
> > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for
later
> > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once
I'm
> > > online.
> > >
> > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Information Systems Research & Development
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > janina@afb.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Information Systems Research & Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> janina@afb.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, and I'm suggesting this is unreasonable. It may serve their
needs. Clearly, it doesn't serve yours.


On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:

> The point is that they bounce mail after just four hours, causing you to
> get kicked off a list if five mails come in with in that time.
> At 05:37 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Well, all I can say, is that any ISP worth its salt should queu mail when
> >your system is off line. To do otherwise is to disregard reality. No box
> >is always online, not even the ones that are supposed to be. To clean up
> >the common saying, stuff happens. The best intentions of being up 24 by 7
> >will go awry from time to time.
> >
> >I think there's no avoiding the need to have mail queu when the assigned
> >delivery address is unavailable. I know that our isp for afb.net, for
> >example, queus for five days.
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Information Systems Research & Development
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >janina@afb.net
> >
> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:
> >
> >> Cool, never thought about that before, nothing I ever used before could
> >> compose offline. What I've thought of is is to deal with what happens to
> >> mail addressed directly to my linux box, as my isp puts an x-from and puts
> >> my linux box domain, which is valid when I'm online in the x-from header.
> >> The hostname is set this way so telnet and other things can work when I
> >> need them to, that's not as critical because people could try later when
> >> I'm on, but mail doesn't cue up and stay there until I get on to have my
> >> system receive it for whatever alias it may go to. The only other solution
> >> would be a speech friendly way to run windows under linux, for when windows
> >> is needed, so I could leave my system on in windows and my linux stuff
> >> would continue working.
> >> At 11:48 AM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >> >Hi, Brett:
> >> >
> >> >I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
> >> >computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main
> >> >machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
> >> >because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's
> >> >far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
> >> >
> >> >So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
> >> >
> >> >1.)	I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
> >> >establishing a ppp connection;
> >> >
> >> >2.)	Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
> >> >
> >> >	sendmail -q0
> >> >
> >> >	that's send mail dash q zero
> >> >
> >> >to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
> >> >
> >> >This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's
> >> >only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail
> >> >command.
> >> >
> >> >This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
> >> >whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and
> >> >whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later
> >> >transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm
> >> >online.
> >> >
> >> >PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-- 
> >> >
> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >				Information Systems Research & Development
> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >
> >> >janina@afb.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Information Systems Research & Development
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >janina@afb.net
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[brent harding]

The point is that they bounce mail after just four hours, causing you to
get kicked off a list if five mails come in with in that time.
At 05:37 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, all I can say, is that any ISP worth its salt should queu mail when
>your system is off line. To do otherwise is to disregard reality. No box
>is always online, not even the ones that are supposed to be. To clean up
>the common saying, stuff happens. The best intentions of being up 24 by 7
>will go awry from time to time.
>
>I think there's no avoiding the need to have mail queu when the assigned
>delivery address is unavailable. I know that our isp for afb.net, for
>example, queus for five days.
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Information Systems Research & Development
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>
> On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:
>
>> Cool, never thought about that before, nothing I ever used before could
>> compose offline. What I've thought of is is to deal with what happens to
>> mail addressed directly to my linux box, as my isp puts an x-from and puts
>> my linux box domain, which is valid when I'm online in the x-from header.
>> The hostname is set this way so telnet and other things can work when I
>> need them to, that's not as critical because people could try later when
>> I'm on, but mail doesn't cue up and stay there until I get on to have my
>> system receive it for whatever alias it may go to. The only other solution
>> would be a speech friendly way to run windows under linux, for when windows
>> is needed, so I could leave my system on in windows and my linux stuff
>> would continue working.
>> At 11:48 AM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Hi, Brett:
>> >
>> >I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
>> >computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main
>> >machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
>> >because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's
>> >far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
>> >
>> >So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
>> >
>> >1.)	I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
>> >establishing a ppp connection;
>> >
>> >2.)	Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
>> >
>> >	sendmail -q0
>> >
>> >	that's send mail dash q zero
>> >
>> >to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
>> >
>> >This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's
>> >only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail
>> >command.
>> >
>> >This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
>> >whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and
>> >whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later
>> >transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm
>> >online.
>> >
>> >PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >
>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >				Information Systems Research & Development
>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> >janina@afb.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Information Systems Research & Development
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[Janina Sajka]

Well, all I can say, is that any ISP worth its salt should queu mail when
your system is off line. To do otherwise is to disregard reality. No box
is always online, not even the ones that are supposed to be. To clean up
the common saying, stuff happens. The best intentions of being up 24 by 7
will go awry from time to time.

I think there's no avoiding the need to have mail queu when the assigned
delivery address is unavailable. I know that our isp for afb.net, for
example, queus for five days.

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

 On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:

> Cool, never thought about that before, nothing I ever used before could
> compose offline. What I've thought of is is to deal with what happens to
> mail addressed directly to my linux box, as my isp puts an x-from and puts
> my linux box domain, which is valid when I'm online in the x-from header.
> The hostname is set this way so telnet and other things can work when I
> need them to, that's not as critical because people could try later when
> I'm on, but mail doesn't cue up and stay there until I get on to have my
> system receive it for whatever alias it may go to. The only other solution
> would be a speech friendly way to run windows under linux, for when windows
> is needed, so I could leave my system on in windows and my linux stuff
> would continue working.
> At 11:48 AM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi, Brett:
> >
> >I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
> >computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main
> >machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
> >because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's
> >far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
> >
> >So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
> >
> >1.)	I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
> >establishing a ppp connection;
> >
> >2.)	Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
> >
> >	sendmail -q0
> >
> >	that's send mail dash q zero
> >
> >to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
> >
> >This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's
> >only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail
> >command.
> >
> >This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
> >whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and
> >whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later
> >transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm
> >online.
> >
> >PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
> >
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Information Systems Research & Development
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >janina@afb.net
> >
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				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: Standalone E-Mail

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Brent -

I often compose offline with Pine by using the "postpone" command when I
finish a message, instead of the "send" command. When I finish a batch of
replies/forwards/composes I will then get online, and retrieve and send my
postponed messages one at a time. Not quite as elegant as Janina's
solution, but just one more way to skin the cat...

Chuck.


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Re: Standalone E-Mail

[brent harding]

Cool, never thought about that before, nothing I ever used before could
compose offline. What I've thought of is is to deal with what happens to
mail addressed directly to my linux box, as my isp puts an x-from and puts
my linux box domain, which is valid when I'm online in the x-from header.
The hostname is set this way so telnet and other things can work when I
need them to, that's not as critical because people could try later when
I'm on, but mail doesn't cue up and stay there until I get on to have my
system receive it for whatever alias it may go to. The only other solution
would be a speech friendly way to run windows under linux, for when windows
is needed, so I could leave my system on in windows and my linux stuff
would continue working.
At 11:48 AM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, Brett:
>
>I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook
>computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main
>machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel
>because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's
>far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room.
>
>So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you:
>
>1.)	I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after
>establishing a ppp connection;
>
>2.)	Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command --
>
>	sendmail -q0
>
>	that's send mail dash q zero
>
>to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal.
>
>This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's
>only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail
>command.
>
>This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble,
>whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and
>whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later
>transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm
>online.
>
>PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp.
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Information Systems Research & Development
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>
>
>
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>