* Standalone E-Mail @ Janina Sajka ` Victor Tsaran 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Brett: I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after establishing a ppp connection; 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- sendmail -q0 that's send mail dash q zero to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail command. This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm online. PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. -- Janina Sajka, Director Information Systems Research & Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) janina@afb.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail Standalone E-Mail Janina Sajka @ ` Victor Tsaran ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Victor Tsaran @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Janina! I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a coincidence! Regards, Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM Subject: Standalone E-Mail > Hi, Brett: > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after > establishing a ppp connection; > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- > > sendmail -q0 > > that's send mail dash q zero > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail > command. > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm > online. > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Information Systems Research & Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > janina@afb.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail ` Victor Tsaran @ ` Janina Sajka ` Victor Tsaran 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Victor: Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only slows down system performance. Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right then. Janina On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: > Hi, Janina! > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a coincidence! > Regards, > Vic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM > Subject: Standalone E-Mail > > > > Hi, Brett: > > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. > > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: > > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after > > establishing a ppp connection; > > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- > > > > sendmail -q0 > > > > that's send mail dash q zero > > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. > > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail > > command. > > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm > > online. > > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Information Systems Research & Development > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > janina@afb.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Information Systems Research & Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) janina@afb.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail ` Janina Sajka @ ` Victor Tsaran ` Janina Sajka ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Victor Tsaran @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent! Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail > Hi, Victor: > > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only > slows down system performance. > > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right > then. > > Janina > > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > > Hi, Janina! > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a coincidence! > > Regards, > > Vic > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail > > > > > > > Hi, Brett: > > > > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. > > > > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: > > > > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after > > > establishing a ppp connection; > > > > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- > > > > > > sendmail -q0 > > > > > > that's send mail dash q zero > > > > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. > > > > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail > > > command. > > > > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm > > > online. > > > > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Information Systems Research & Development > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > janina@afb.net > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Information Systems Research & Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > janina@afb.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail ` Victor Tsaran @ ` Janina Sajka ` brent harding [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251851050.11743-100000@adsl-151-200-20-2 9.bellatlantic.net> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup It slows the boot process considerably on my system. Also, I was not suggesting keeping a queu of outgoing mail for 4 or 5 days. I was saying that our isp holds our incoming mail that long, giving us a chance to fix whatever it is that is keeping us off-line. This is sufficient to hold mail should the server go down at the beginning of a three or four day holliday weekend--assuming no one would go in just to fix mail for a company that's not open for business. On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: > Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows > down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries > the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I > wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent! > Vic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail > > > > Hi, Victor: > > > > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a > > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only > > slows down system performance. > > > > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while > > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and > > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right > > then. > > > > Janina > > > > > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > > > > Hi, Janina! > > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a > coincidence! > > > Regards, > > > Vic > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM > > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Brett: > > > > > > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook > > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my > main > > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel > > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, > it's > > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. > > > > > > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: > > > > > > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after > > > > establishing a ppp connection; > > > > > > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- > > > > > > > > sendmail -q0 > > > > > > > > that's send mail dash q zero > > > > > > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. > > > > > > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. > It's > > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific > sendmail > > > > command. > > > > > > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, > > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, > and > > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for > later > > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once > I'm > > > > online. > > > > > > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Information Systems Research & Development > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > janina@afb.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Information Systems Research & Development > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > janina@afb.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Information Systems Research & Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) janina@afb.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail ` Victor Tsaran ` Janina Sajka @ ` brent harding [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251851050.11743-100000@adsl-151-200-20-2 9.bellatlantic.net> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: brent harding @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I don't know what exim's default behavior is. I had a really hard time getting majordomo to work, because I had to set a user for piped aliases to run under, I chose mail, it seems to work good now. What happens if you set pine to use the isp's server? Then it'll probably fail. My isp doesn't care which way I do it, the mail goes out whether or not I use my system or their system to send mail out, but if I use mine, the from header isn't right because I use a dynamic dns service to map my ip to a name, and it sends from that address. That's the whole business that I'd need something to handle mail when I'm offline so I can use my local delivery in pine, so I don't have to switch smtp servers in tons of locations across the system when I switch providers. At 06:29 PM 6/25/00 -0700, you wrote: >Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows >down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries >the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I >wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent! >Vic > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> >To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM >Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail > > >> Hi, Victor: >> >> Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a >> mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only >> slows down system performance. >> >> Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while >> off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and >> someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right >> then. >> >> Janina >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: >> >> > Hi, Janina! >> > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a >coincidence! >> > Regards, >> > Vic >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> >> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM >> > Subject: Standalone E-Mail >> > >> > >> > > Hi, Brett: >> > > >> > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook >> > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my >main >> > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel >> > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, >it's >> > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. >> > > >> > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: >> > > >> > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after >> > > establishing a ppp connection; >> > > >> > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- >> > > >> > > sendmail -q0 >> > > >> > > that's send mail dash q zero >> > > >> > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. >> > > >> > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. >It's >> > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific >sendmail >> > > command. >> > > >> > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, >> > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, >and >> > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for >later >> > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once >I'm >> > > online. >> > > >> > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > Janina Sajka, Director >> > > Information Systems Research & Development >> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> > > >> > > janina@afb.net >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Speakup mailing list >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka, Director >> Information Systems Research & Development >> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> >> janina@afb.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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* Re: Standalone E-Mail [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251851050.11743-100000@adsl-151-200-20-2 9.bellatlantic.net> @ ` brent harding ` Janina Sajka [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251908110.11743-100000@adsl-151-200-20-2 9.bellatlantic.net> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: brent harding @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Do they bounce mail right away, those warnings that listservers auto-unsubscribe you because of? My provider seems to be down enough to be kicked off of lists some times, thanks to their majordomo bounce script. If there was intelligence in that thing to not unsubscribe you because of a warning. At 06:53 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >It slows the boot process considerably on my system. > >Also, I was not suggesting keeping a queu of outgoing mail for 4 or 5 >days. I was saying that our isp holds our incoming mail that long, giving >us a chance to fix whatever it is that is keeping us off-line. This is >sufficient to hold mail should the server go down at the beginning of a >three or four day holliday weekend--assuming no one would go in just to >fix mail for a company that's not open for business. > > >On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: > >> Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows >> down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries >> the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I >> wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent! >> Vic >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> >> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM >> Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail >> >> >> > Hi, Victor: >> > >> > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a >> > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only >> > slows down system performance. >> > >> > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while >> > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and >> > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right >> > then. >> > >> > Janina >> > >> > >> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, Janina! >> > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a >> coincidence! >> > > Regards, >> > > Vic >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> >> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM >> > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi, Brett: >> > > > >> > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook >> > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my >> main >> > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel >> > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, >> it's >> > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. >> > > > >> > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: >> > > > >> > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after >> > > > establishing a ppp connection; >> > > > >> > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- >> > > > >> > > > sendmail -q0 >> > > > >> > > > that's send mail dash q zero >> > > > >> > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. >> > > > >> > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. >> It's >> > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific >> sendmail >> > > > command. >> > > > >> > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, >> > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, >> and >> > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for >> later >> > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once >> I'm >> > > > online. >> > > > >> > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > >> > > > Janina Sajka, Director >> > > > Information Systems Research & Development >> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> > > > >> > > > janina@afb.net >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Speakup mailing list >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Speakup mailing list >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> > Information Systems Research & Development >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> > >> > janina@afb.net >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Information Systems Research & Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >janina@afb.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail ` brent harding @ ` Janina Sajka [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251908110.11743-100000@adsl-151-200-20-2 9.bellatlantic.net> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup No, they do not bounce. Mail simply queus until our server is back online. Our current isp is concentric. Previously we were using Digex with the same behavior. PS: When we first set up our mail service back around 1997 we actually tested this by intentionally killing the sendmail processes for a weekend. On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote: > Do they bounce mail right away, those warnings that listservers > auto-unsubscribe you because of? > My provider seems to be down enough to be kicked off of lists some times, > thanks to their majordomo bounce script. If there was intelligence in that > thing to not unsubscribe you because of a warning. > At 06:53 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: > >It slows the boot process considerably on my system. > > > >Also, I was not suggesting keeping a queu of outgoing mail for 4 or 5 > >days. I was saying that our isp holds our incoming mail that long, giving > >us a chance to fix whatever it is that is keeping us off-line. This is > >sufficient to hold mail should the server go down at the beginning of a > >three or four day holliday weekend--assuming no one would go in just to > >fix mail for a company that's not open for business. > > > > > >On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > > >> Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows > >> down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries > >> the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I > >> wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent! > >> Vic > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> > >> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM > >> Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail > >> > >> > >> > Hi, Victor: > >> > > >> > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a > >> > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only > >> > slows down system performance. > >> > > >> > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while > >> > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and > >> > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right > >> > then. > >> > > >> > Janina > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hi, Janina! > >> > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a > >> coincidence! > >> > > Regards, > >> > > Vic > >> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> > >> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM > >> > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi, Brett: > >> > > > > >> > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook > >> > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my > >> main > >> > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel > >> > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, > >> it's > >> > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. > >> > > > > >> > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: > >> > > > > >> > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after > >> > > > establishing a ppp connection; > >> > > > > >> > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- > >> > > > > >> > > > sendmail -q0 > >> > > > > >> > > > that's send mail dash q zero > >> > > > > >> > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. > >> > > > > >> > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. > >> It's > >> > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific > >> sendmail > >> > > > command. > >> > > > > >> > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without > trouble, > >> > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, > >> and > >> > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for > >> later > >> > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once > >> I'm > >> > > > online. > >> > > > > >> > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my > isp. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > > >> > > > Janina Sajka, Director > >> > > > Information Systems Research & Development > >> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> > > > > >> > > > janina@afb.net > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Speakup mailing list > >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Speakup mailing list > >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Janina Sajka, Director > >> > Information Systems Research & Development > >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> > > >> > janina@afb.net > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Speakup mailing list > >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > >-- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Information Systems Research & Development > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > >janina@afb.net > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Information Systems Research & Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) janina@afb.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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* Re: Standalone E-Mail [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251908110.11743-100000@adsl-151-200-20-2 9.bellatlantic.net> @ ` brent harding 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: brent harding @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Wow, my isp bounces mail if I'm off for four hours, so did my previous one. I don't know what'll happen if or when I get dsl or something. Don't know when it'll come to our area, but a guy told me that I could run anything I want with it, this new site bungi.com sounds promising for uucp, I've never used that, and don't know how to configure it, but it sounds like it'll do what I need, and it's free, I hear. I can't find the signup form on their site though, and they say they'll feed it over the internet, how cool!! At 07:09 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >No, they do not bounce. Mail simply queus until our server is back online. >Our current isp is concentric. Previously we were using Digex with the >same behavior. > >PS: When we first set up our mail service back around 1997 we actually >tested this by intentionally killing the sendmail processes for a weekend. > >On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote: > >> Do they bounce mail right away, those warnings that listservers >> auto-unsubscribe you because of? >> My provider seems to be down enough to be kicked off of lists some times, >> thanks to their majordomo bounce script. If there was intelligence in that >> thing to not unsubscribe you because of a warning. >> At 06:53 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >It slows the boot process considerably on my system. >> > >> >Also, I was not suggesting keeping a queu of outgoing mail for 4 or 5 >> >days. I was saying that our isp holds our incoming mail that long, giving >> >us a chance to fix whatever it is that is keeping us off-line. This is >> >sufficient to hold mail should the server go down at the beginning of a >> >three or four day holliday weekend--assuming no one would go in just to >> >fix mail for a company that's not open for business. >> > >> > >> >On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: >> > >> >> Well, I am not sure what you mean when you say that Sendmail daemon slows >> >> down the system. It certainly doesn't in my case. My Sendmail simply tries >> >> the message and if the connection is not present, itwill try later. I >> >> wouldn't keep my mail for four days waiting to be sent! >> >> Vic >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> >> >> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:44 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Standalone E-Mail >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi, Victor: >> >> > >> >> > Well, and it makes sense. I guess I just don't see the logic of having a >> >> > mailor like sendmail always active if it can't be doing its job. Only >> >> > slows down system performance. >> >> > >> >> > Besides, it's really cool to be able to write and queu mail while >> >> > off-line. It's useful, for example, if I'm sitting in a conference and >> >> > someone says to me, "Can you send me that in email?" I just do it right >> >> > then. >> >> > >> >> > Janina >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Hi, Janina! >> >> > > I just wrote the same advice to Brad on another list. What a >> >> coincidence! >> >> > > Regards, >> >> > > Vic >> >> > > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> >> >> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:48 AM >> >> > > Subject: Standalone E-Mail >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Hi, Brett: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook >> >> > > > computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my >> >> main >> >> > > > machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel >> >> > > > because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, >> >> it's >> >> > > > far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > 1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after >> >> > > > establishing a ppp connection; >> >> > > > >> >> > > > 2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- >> >> > > > >> >> > > > sendmail -q0 >> >> > > > >> >> > > > that's send mail dash q zero >> >> > > > >> >> > > > to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. >> >> It's >> >> > > > only active when I issue the command above, or another specific >> >> sendmail >> >> > > > command. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without >> trouble, >> >> > > > whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, >> >> and >> >> > > > whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for >> >> later >> >> > > > transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once >> >> I'm >> >> > > > online. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my >> isp. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > -- >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Janina Sajka, Director >> >> > > > Information Systems Research & Development >> >> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> >> > > > >> >> > > > janina@afb.net >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > > > Speakup mailing list >> >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > > Speakup mailing list >> >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> >> > Information Systems Research & Development >> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> >> > >> >> > janina@afb.net >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Speakup mailing list >> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > >> >-- >> > >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> > Information Systems Research & Development >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> > >> >janina@afb.net >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Speakup mailing list >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Information Systems Research & Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >janina@afb.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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* Re: Standalone E-Mail [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251142020.999-100000@adsl-151-200-20-29. bellatlantic.net> @ ` brent harding ` Charles Hallenbeck ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: brent harding @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Cool, never thought about that before, nothing I ever used before could compose offline. What I've thought of is is to deal with what happens to mail addressed directly to my linux box, as my isp puts an x-from and puts my linux box domain, which is valid when I'm online in the x-from header. The hostname is set this way so telnet and other things can work when I need them to, that's not as critical because people could try later when I'm on, but mail doesn't cue up and stay there until I get on to have my system receive it for whatever alias it may go to. The only other solution would be a speech friendly way to run windows under linux, for when windows is needed, so I could leave my system on in windows and my linux stuff would continue working. At 11:48 AM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, Brett: > >I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook >computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main >machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel >because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's >far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. > >So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: > >1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after >establishing a ppp connection; > >2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- > > sendmail -q0 > > that's send mail dash q zero > >to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. > >This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's >only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail >command. > >This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, >whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and >whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later >transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm >online. > >PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. > > > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Information Systems Research & Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >janina@afb.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail ` brent harding @ ` Charles Hallenbeck ` Janina Sajka [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251734310.999-100000@adsl-151-200-20-29. bellatlantic.net> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Charles Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Brent - I often compose offline with Pine by using the "postpone" command when I finish a message, instead of the "send" command. When I finish a batch of replies/forwards/composes I will then get online, and retrieve and send my postponed messages one at a time. Not quite as elegant as Janina's solution, but just one more way to skin the cat... Chuck. My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh Parallel lines never meet, unless you bend one or both of them. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail ` brent harding ` Charles Hallenbeck @ ` Janina Sajka [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251734310.999-100000@adsl-151-200-20-29. bellatlantic.net> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well, all I can say, is that any ISP worth its salt should queu mail when your system is off line. To do otherwise is to disregard reality. No box is always online, not even the ones that are supposed to be. To clean up the common saying, stuff happens. The best intentions of being up 24 by 7 will go awry from time to time. I think there's no avoiding the need to have mail queu when the assigned delivery address is unavailable. I know that our isp for afb.net, for example, queus for five days. Janina Sajka, Director Information Systems Research & Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) janina@afb.net On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote: > Cool, never thought about that before, nothing I ever used before could > compose offline. What I've thought of is is to deal with what happens to > mail addressed directly to my linux box, as my isp puts an x-from and puts > my linux box domain, which is valid when I'm online in the x-from header. > The hostname is set this way so telnet and other things can work when I > need them to, that's not as critical because people could try later when > I'm on, but mail doesn't cue up and stay there until I get on to have my > system receive it for whatever alias it may go to. The only other solution > would be a speech friendly way to run windows under linux, for when windows > is needed, so I could leave my system on in windows and my linux stuff > would continue working. > At 11:48 AM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, Brett: > > > >I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook > >computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main > >machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel > >because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's > >far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. > > > >So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: > > > >1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after > >establishing a ppp connection; > > > >2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- > > > > sendmail -q0 > > > > that's send mail dash q zero > > > >to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. > > > >This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's > >only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail > >command. > > > >This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, > >whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and > >whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later > >transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm > >online. > > > >PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Information Systems Research & Development > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > >janina@afb.net > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Information Systems Research & Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) janina@afb.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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* Re: Standalone E-Mail [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006251734310.999-100000@adsl-151-200-20-29. bellatlantic.net> @ ` brent harding ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: brent harding @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup The point is that they bounce mail after just four hours, causing you to get kicked off a list if five mails come in with in that time. At 05:37 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >Well, all I can say, is that any ISP worth its salt should queu mail when >your system is off line. To do otherwise is to disregard reality. No box >is always online, not even the ones that are supposed to be. To clean up >the common saying, stuff happens. The best intentions of being up 24 by 7 >will go awry from time to time. > >I think there's no avoiding the need to have mail queu when the assigned >delivery address is unavailable. I know that our isp for afb.net, for >example, queus for five days. > > Janina Sajka, Director > Information Systems Research & Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >janina@afb.net > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote: > >> Cool, never thought about that before, nothing I ever used before could >> compose offline. What I've thought of is is to deal with what happens to >> mail addressed directly to my linux box, as my isp puts an x-from and puts >> my linux box domain, which is valid when I'm online in the x-from header. >> The hostname is set this way so telnet and other things can work when I >> need them to, that's not as critical because people could try later when >> I'm on, but mail doesn't cue up and stay there until I get on to have my >> system receive it for whatever alias it may go to. The only other solution >> would be a speech friendly way to run windows under linux, for when windows >> is needed, so I could leave my system on in windows and my linux stuff >> would continue working. >> At 11:48 AM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >Hi, Brett: >> > >> >I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook >> >computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main >> >machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel >> >because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's >> >far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. >> > >> >So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: >> > >> >1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after >> >establishing a ppp connection; >> > >> >2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- >> > >> > sendmail -q0 >> > >> > that's send mail dash q zero >> > >> >to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. >> > >> >This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's >> >only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail >> >command. >> > >> >This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, >> >whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and >> >whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later >> >transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm >> >online. >> > >> >PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> > >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> > Information Systems Research & Development >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> > >> >janina@afb.net >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Speakup mailing list >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Information Systems Research & Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >janina@afb.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Standalone E-Mail ` brent harding @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yes, and I'm suggesting this is unreasonable. It may serve their needs. Clearly, it doesn't serve yours. On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote: > The point is that they bounce mail after just four hours, causing you to > get kicked off a list if five mails come in with in that time. > At 05:37 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Well, all I can say, is that any ISP worth its salt should queu mail when > >your system is off line. To do otherwise is to disregard reality. No box > >is always online, not even the ones that are supposed to be. To clean up > >the common saying, stuff happens. The best intentions of being up 24 by 7 > >will go awry from time to time. > > > >I think there's no avoiding the need to have mail queu when the assigned > >delivery address is unavailable. I know that our isp for afb.net, for > >example, queus for five days. > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Information Systems Research & Development > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > >janina@afb.net > > > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote: > > > >> Cool, never thought about that before, nothing I ever used before could > >> compose offline. What I've thought of is is to deal with what happens to > >> mail addressed directly to my linux box, as my isp puts an x-from and puts > >> my linux box domain, which is valid when I'm online in the x-from header. > >> The hostname is set this way so telnet and other things can work when I > >> need them to, that's not as critical because people could try later when > >> I'm on, but mail doesn't cue up and stay there until I get on to have my > >> system receive it for whatever alias it may go to. The only other solution > >> would be a speech friendly way to run windows under linux, for when windows > >> is needed, so I could leave my system on in windows and my linux stuff > >> would continue working. > >> At 11:48 AM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: > >> >Hi, Brett: > >> > > >> >I just wanted to drop you note about how I handle mail on my notebook > >> >computer. Needless to say, it's off-line a lot. First, it's not my main > >> >machine when I'm in the office, and it's off-line a lot when I travel > >> >because I'm on a plane, or something. Becides, in places like Europe, it's > >> >far too expensive to just leave it up online from one's hotel room. > >> > > >> >So, here's what I do. I hope it helps you: > >> > > >> >1.) I use fetchmail to get all of my incoming mail from my isp after > >> >establishing a ppp connection; > >> > > >> >2.) Since I use sendmail as my mailor, I then issue the command -- > >> > > >> > sendmail -q0 > >> > > >> > that's send mail dash q zero > >> > > >> >to dump the messages that have been qued for transmittal. > >> > > >> >This works because sendmail is not loaded as a daemon on my system. It's > >> >only active when I issue the command above, or another specific sendmail > >> >command. > >> > > >> >This way, I can write all the messages I want in Pine without trouble, > >> >whether or not I'm writing on the airplane, or at my desk in my room, and > >> >whether or not I'm online when I write them. They're simply qued for later > >> >transmittal, which is accomplished by the sendmail -q0 command once I'm > >> >online. > >> > > >> >PS: I've also set the smtp address in my Pine configuration to my isp. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-- > >> > > >> > Janina Sajka, Director > >> > Information Systems Research & Development > >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> > > >> >janina@afb.net > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Speakup mailing list > >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > >-- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Information Systems Research & Development > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > >janina@afb.net > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Information Systems Research & Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) janina@afb.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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