Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Sheila Acock]

\x7fHi,

Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation.
I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I
ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came
together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am
feeling quite discouraged.

 Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided
to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a
system up  and running to play with fairly quickly.

I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now
have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850  processor, with
250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth.  The trouble is, the speech is so
disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it.

Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people
reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February.
There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one
person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta"
had helped to some extent.

I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't
think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable
speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated,
remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in
words of one syllable.

Thanks.

Sheila.

RE: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Darragh]

I cant exactly who was good enough to send that back then but I kept it
as it was so helpful.

HZ is set to 512.  To compensate, you'll need to 
change the timing variables for Speakup.  In the /proc/speakup/apollo 
directory, you'll se files called jiffy_delta and delay_time, among
others.  
Note that I might not have spelled apollo the way it is in the 
/proc/speakup directory.  Use the "cat" command to display the value 
contained in the two pseudo files.  For example: "cat jiffy_delta" and
"cat 
delay_time", without the quotes, of course.  To change a value, use the 
"echo" command.  For example: "echo 15 > jiffy_delta" and "echo 80> 
delay_time".  Using cat, find the value of jiffy_delta.  Multiply the
value 
by five.  For example, if the value of jiffy_delta is 3, make it 15.
Then, 
find the value of delay_time.  Divide it by 5.  For example, if you find

400, make it 80.  If this works, you can write a script to make this 
happen on boot.


I do have this happening at boot, but it was a while ago and I've not
touched linux much since.

Hope that helps


Darragh

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Sheila Acock
Sent: 08 November 2003 23:02
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2


\x7fHi,

Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation.
I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I
ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came
together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am
feeling quite discouraged.

 Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided
to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a
system up  and running to play with fairly quickly.

I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now
have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850  processor, with
250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth.  The trouble is, the speech is so
disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it.

Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people
reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February.
There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one
person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta"
had helped to some extent.

I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't
think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable
speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated,
remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in
words of one syllable.

Thanks.

Sheila.

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Sheila Acock]

Darragh,

Thank you very much for your prompt reply.

I will hopefully give it a try tomorrow.

Thanks.

Sheila.

In message <000001c3a64f$16c96370$0100a8c0@desktop>, Darragh 
<lists@digitaldarragh.com> writes
>I cant exactly who was good enough to send that back then but I kept it
>as it was so helpful.
>
>HZ is set to 512.  To compensate, you'll need to
>change the timing variables for Speakup.  In the /proc/speakup/apollo
>directory, you'll se files called jiffy_delta and delay_time, among
>others.
>Note that I might not have spelled apollo the way it is in the
>/proc/speakup directory.  Use the "cat" command to display the value
>contained in the two pseudo files.  For example: "cat jiffy_delta" and
>"cat
>delay_time", without the quotes, of course.  To change a value, use the
>"echo" command.  For example: "echo 15 > jiffy_delta" and "echo 80>
>delay_time".  Using cat, find the value of jiffy_delta.  Multiply the
>value
>by five.  For example, if the value of jiffy_delta is 3, make it 15.
>Then,
>find the value of delay_time.  Divide it by 5.  For example, if you find
>
>400, make it 80.  If this works, you can write a script to make this
>happen on boot.
>
>
>I do have this happening at boot, but it was a while ago and I've not
>touched linux much since.
>
>Hope that helps
>
>
>Darragh
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
>[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Sheila Acock
>Sent: 08 November 2003 23:02
>To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Subject: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2
>
>
>\x7fHi,
>
>Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation.
>I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I
>ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came
>together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am
>feeling quite discouraged.
>
> Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided
>to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a
>system up  and running to play with fairly quickly.
>
>I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now
>have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850  processor, with
>250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth.  The trouble is, the speech is so
>disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it.
>
>Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people
>reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February.
>There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one
>person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta"
>had helped to some extent.
>
>I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't
>think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable
>speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated,
>remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in
>words of one syllable.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Sheila.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Just a warning when messing with these values.  These control the timing of
parts of the kernel, and putting in values that are extreme in either
direction may cause your machine to crash.  So tred carefully.

Geoff.

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Sheila Acock]

Hi Geoff,

Thanks for the warning.

Sheila.

In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311091213570.21464-100000@data.home>, Geoff 
Shang <gshang@uq.net.au> writes
>Hi:
>
>Just a warning when messing with these values.  These control the timing of
>parts of the kernel, and putting in values that are extreme in either
>direction may cause your machine to crash.  So tred carefully.
>
>Geoff.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Sheila Acock

Keyboard maps

[Darragh]

Hello,
While reading the speakup howto, I noticed that the US keyboard layout
is now supported.  Any chance the Irish one is as well?

Darragh

Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Darragh]

Hello,
I've being waiting for the release of Fedora 1.0 since early October as
I was told by numerous people that it would have gnopernicus pree
configured.  Now that the speakup modified version is up I'm just dying
to download it and have a good root around.  

However, I'm going to try to do the sensible thing first and spend the
first few days reading up on installation howtos and FAQ's.  Can any one
suggest a few?

I'm hoping to set up the following:
Fedora 1.0 with speakup.
Gnome with the Gnopernicus screen reader.
Some of the Gnopernicus supported applications.
Emacspeak
W3.
Vm.
I'm also hoping to use FTP to connect to the laptop which is running win
2000.  I have a linksys router which can act as a dhcp server as well.
They all connect with no problems in windows.

Oh, just one more thing, what do they mean by pree configured?  That
sounds like a simpol question, feel free to laugh at my lack of
experience.

Any suggestions very welcome


Darragh

Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Janina Sajka]

Darragh writes:
> 
> I've being waiting for the release of Fedora 1.0 since early October as
> I was told by numerous people that it would have gnopernicus pree
> configured.  Now that the speakup modified version is up I'm just dying
> to download it and have a good root around.  
> 
> However, I'm going to try to do the sensible thing first and spend the
> first few days reading up on installation howtos and FAQ's.  Can any one
> suggest a few?

Until we get the new installation HOWTO up, you may as well study the
current HOWTO for Red Hat 9. It's going to be very nearly the same:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html

> 
> I'm hoping to set up the following:
> Fedora 1.0 with speakup.
As of the moment, there's only a minor modification from how this is
done with Red Hat 9.

> Gnome with the Gnopernicus screen reader.
If you select "everything," as the HOWTO has always recommended, you'll
get this without extra effort.

> Some of the Gnopernicus supported applications.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, of course. But, if you're
referring to Mozilla and OpenOffice you're still very much on your own.
There is no single doc that I'm aware of that takes you through this in
the Fedora context.


> Emacspeak
> W3.
> Vm.
You're on your own for this, as you have been with Red Hat through many
generations of Red Hat releases. The Emacspeak shipped in Fedora Cora is
version 17.0, whereas 18.0-1 is current.

> I'm also hoping to use FTP to connect to the laptop which is running win
> 2000.  I have a linksys router which can act as a dhcp server as well.
> They all connect with no problems in windows.
If your LinkSys is serving up ip addresses, Linux can certainly accept
the assignment easily enough. There's no particular magic to using ftp
outbound from Linux, but your host has to be running an ftp server, of
course.

I would wager networking works far more easily and reliably on Linux--at
least in my experience.

> 
Methinks thou hast best inquire of "they" directly. I don't speak for
"they," whoever that might be.

> Oh, just one more thing, what do they mean by pree configured?  Thati
> sounds like a simpol question, feel free to laugh at my lack of
> experience.
> 
> Any suggestions very welcome
> 
> 
> Darragh
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Darragh]

Hello, 
As always, you're a welth of information.  Thanks.
Yes, I was refairing to Mozilla but, I couldn't think of the name.  I'll
probably get comfortable with the basics for a while before trying any
of that.

Does any one know what freetts is like with gnopernicus?  I don't think
its usable with speakup yet is it?

Darragh

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 08 November 2003 23:59
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads


Darragh writes:
> 
> I've being waiting for the release of Fedora 1.0 since early October 
> as I was told by numerous people that it would have gnopernicus pree 
> configured.  Now that the speakup modified version is up I'm just 
> dying to download it and have a good root around.
> 
> However, I'm going to try to do the sensible thing first and spend the

> first few days reading up on installation howtos and FAQ's.  Can any 
> one suggest a few?

Until we get the new installation HOWTO up, you may as well study the
current HOWTO for Red Hat 9. It's going to be very nearly the same:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html

> 
> I'm hoping to set up the following:
> Fedora 1.0 with speakup.
As of the moment, there's only a minor modification from how this is
done with Red Hat 9.

> Gnome with the Gnopernicus screen reader.
If you select "everything," as the HOWTO has always recommended, you'll
get this without extra effort.

> Some of the Gnopernicus supported applications.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, of course. But, if you're
referring to Mozilla and OpenOffice you're still very much on your own.
There is no single doc that I'm aware of that takes you through this in
the Fedora context.


> Emacspeak
> W3.
> Vm.
You're on your own for this, as you have been with Red Hat through many
generations of Red Hat releases. The Emacspeak shipped in Fedora Cora is
version 17.0, whereas 18.0-1 is current.

> I'm also hoping to use FTP to connect to the laptop which is running 
> win 2000.  I have a linksys router which can act as a dhcp server as 
> well. They all connect with no problems in windows.
If your LinkSys is serving up ip addresses, Linux can certainly accept
the assignment easily enough. There's no particular magic to using ftp
outbound from Linux, but your host has to be running an ftp server, of
course.

I would wager networking works far more easily and reliably on Linux--at
least in my experience.

> 
Methinks thou hast best inquire of "they" directly. I don't speak for
"they," whoever that might be.

> Oh, just one more thing, what do they mean by pree configured?  Thati 
> sounds like a simpol question, feel free to laugh at my lack of 
> experience.
> 
> Any suggestions very welcome
> 
> 
> Darragh
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Janina Sajka]

FreeTTS sounds decent enough, imho. However, it can be a bit of a cludge
to get it installed and correctly configured.

But, the price is right! <grin>


Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> Hello, 
> As always, you're a welth of information.  Thanks.
> Yes, I was refairing to Mozilla but, I couldn't think of the name.  I'll
> probably get comfortable with the basics for a while before trying any
> of that.
> 
> Does any one know what freetts is like with gnopernicus?  I don't think
> its usable with speakup yet is it?
> 
> Darragh
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 08 November 2003 23:59
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads
> 
> 
> Darragh writes:
> > 
> > I've being waiting for the release of Fedora 1.0 since early October 
> > as I was told by numerous people that it would have gnopernicus pree 
> > configured.  Now that the speakup modified version is up I'm just 
> > dying to download it and have a good root around.
> > 
> > However, I'm going to try to do the sensible thing first and spend the
> 
> > first few days reading up on installation howtos and FAQ's.  Can any 
> > one suggest a few?
> 
> Until we get the new installation HOWTO up, you may as well study the
> current HOWTO for Red Hat 9. It's going to be very nearly the same:
> 
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html
> 
> > 
> > I'm hoping to set up the following:
> > Fedora 1.0 with speakup.
> As of the moment, there's only a minor modification from how this is
> done with Red Hat 9.
> 
> > Gnome with the Gnopernicus screen reader.
> If you select "everything," as the HOWTO has always recommended, you'll
> get this without extra effort.
> 
> > Some of the Gnopernicus supported applications.
> I'm not sure what you're referring to, of course. But, if you're
> referring to Mozilla and OpenOffice you're still very much on your own.
> There is no single doc that I'm aware of that takes you through this in
> the Fedora context.
> 
> 
> > Emacspeak
> > W3.
> > Vm.
> You're on your own for this, as you have been with Red Hat through many
> generations of Red Hat releases. The Emacspeak shipped in Fedora Cora is
> version 17.0, whereas 18.0-1 is current.
> 
> > I'm also hoping to use FTP to connect to the laptop which is running 
> > win 2000.  I have a linksys router which can act as a dhcp server as 
> > well. They all connect with no problems in windows.
> If your LinkSys is serving up ip addresses, Linux can certainly accept
> the assignment easily enough. There's no particular magic to using ftp
> outbound from Linux, but your host has to be running an ftp server, of
> course.
> 
> I would wager networking works far more easily and reliably on Linux--at
> least in my experience.
> 
> > 
> Methinks thou hast best inquire of "they" directly. I don't speak for
> "they," whoever that might be.
> 
> > Oh, just one more thing, what do they mean by pree configured?  Thati 
> > sounds like a simpol question, feel free to laugh at my lack of 
> > experience.
> > 
> > Any suggestions very welcome
> > 
> > 
> > Darragh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Sheila:

Have you downloaded and installed the latest Speakup Modified kernels
for Red Hat 8 available on the web site? These contain the CVS version
of Speakup and new drivers for the Apollo.

You are correct that this synth has been problematic. I'm not yet clear
whether the issues are well and thoroughly resolved myself.


Sheila Acock writes:
> From: Sheila Acock <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk>
> 
> \x7fHi,
> 
> Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation.
> I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I
> ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came
> together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am
> feeling quite discouraged.
> 
>  Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided
> to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a
> system up  and running to play with fairly quickly.
> 
> I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now
> have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850  processor, with
> 250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth.  The trouble is, the speech is so
> disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it.
> 
> Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people
> reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February.
> There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one
> person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta"
> had helped to some extent.
> 
> I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't
> think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable
> speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated,
> remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in
> words of one syllable.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Sheila.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Sheila Acock]

Hi Janina,

No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I 
haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and 
get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on 
how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.

Thanks.

Sheila.

In message <20031109000250.GO6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka 
<janina@rednote.net> writes
>Hi, Sheila:
>
>Have you downloaded and installed the latest Speakup Modified kernels
>for Red Hat 8 available on the web site? These contain the CVS version
>of Speakup and new drivers for the Apollo.
>
>You are correct that this synth has been problematic. I'm not yet clear
>whether the issues are well and thoroughly resolved myself.
>
>
>Sheila Acock writes:
>> From: Sheila Acock <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk>
>>
>> \x7fHi,
>>
>> Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation.
>> I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I
>> ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came
>> together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am
>> feeling quite discouraged.
>>
>>  Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided
>> to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a
>> system up  and running to play with fairly quickly.
>>
>> I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now
>> have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850  processor, with
>> 250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth.  The trouble is, the speech is so
>> disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it.
>>
>> Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people
>> reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February.
>> There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one
>> person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta"
>> had helped to some extent.
>>
>> I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't
>> think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable
>> speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated,
>> remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in
>> words of one syllable.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Sheila.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Sheila Acock

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

     Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this 
message, and I'll talk you through it.  BTW, I do know that you're in the 
UK.
          HTH.
-- 


Bill in Denver

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote:

> Hi Janina,
> 
> No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I 
> haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and 
> get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on 
> how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.
> 
> Thanks.

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Janina Sajka]

Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin>


William F. Acker writes:
> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org>
> 
> Hi,
> 
>      Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this 
> message, and I'll talk you through it.  BTW, I do know that you're in the 
> UK.
>           HTH.
> -- 
> 
> 
> Bill in Denver
> 
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote:
> 
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> > No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I 
> > haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and 
> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on 
> > how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Sheila Acock]

Hi,

Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very 
helpful.

My Apollo is now talking much better;  not perfect, but I find it quite 
usable, which I certainly didn't before.

I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some 
Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate 
links).

Many thanks, Bill.

p.s.  Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I 
am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be 
struggling.

Sheila.

In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka 
<janina@rednote.net> writes
>Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin>
>
>
>William F. Acker writes:
>> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>      Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this
>> message, and I'll talk you through it.  BTW, I do know that you're in the
>> UK.
>>           HTH.
>> --
>>
>>
>> Bill in Denver
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Janina,
>> >
>> > No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I
>> > haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and
>> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on
>> > how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Sheila Acock

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Darragh]

what did you do?  my apollo still isn't great.  did you just alter the
jiffy_delta and delay_time files?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sheila Acock" <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2


> Hi,
>
> Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very
> helpful.
>
> My Apollo is now talking much better;  not perfect, but I find it quite
> usable, which I certainly didn't before.
>
> I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some
> Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate
> links).
>
> Many thanks, Bill.
>
> p.s.  Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I
> am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be
> struggling.
>
> Sheila.
>
> In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka
> <janina@rednote.net> writes
> >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin>
> >
> >
> >William F. Acker writes:
> >> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>      Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of
this
> >> message, and I'll talk you through it.  BTW, I do know that you're in
the
> >> UK.
> >>           HTH.
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill in Denver
> >>
> >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Janina,
> >> >
> >> > No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I
> >> > haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and
> >> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on
> >> > how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> -- 
> Sheila Acock
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Janina Sajka]

Well, I wasn't there, Daragh, but I believe they upgraded her kernel
using the kernels at
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/8.0/RPMS/. .

PS It's a very busy site these days.

Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> what did you do?  my apollo still isn't great.  did you just alter the
> jiffy_delta and delay_time files?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sheila Acock" <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very
> > helpful.
> >
> > My Apollo is now talking much better;  not perfect, but I find it quite
> > usable, which I certainly didn't before.
> >
> > I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some
> > Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate
> > links).
> >
> > Many thanks, Bill.
> >
> > p.s.  Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I
> > am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be
> > struggling.
> >
> > Sheila.
> >
> > In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka
> > <janina@rednote.net> writes
> > >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin>
> > >
> > >
> > >William F. Acker writes:
> > >> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>      Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of
> this
> > >> message, and I'll talk you through it.  BTW, I do know that you're in
> the
> > >> UK.
> > >>           HTH.
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Bill in Denver
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Janina,
> > >> >
> > >> > No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I
> > >> > haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and
> > >> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on
> > >> > how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > -- 
> > Sheila Acock
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Sheila Acock]

Yes, that sounds about right.

In message <20031110163216.GD396@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka 
<janina@rednote.net> writes
>Well, I wasn't there, Daragh, but I believe they upgraded her kernel
>using the kernels at
>http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/8.0/RPMS/. .
>
>PS It's a very busy site these days.
>
>Darragh writes:
>> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
>>
>> what did you do?  my apollo still isn't great.  did you just alter the
>> jiffy_delta and delay_time files?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sheila Acock" <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very
>> > helpful.
>> >
>> > My Apollo is now talking much better;  not perfect, but I find it quite
>> > usable, which I certainly didn't before.
>> >
>> > I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some
>> > Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate
>> > links).
>> >
>> > Many thanks, Bill.
>> >
>> > p.s.  Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I
>> > am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be
>> > struggling.
>> >
>> > Sheila.
>> >
>> > In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka
>> > <janina@rednote.net> writes
>> > >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >William F. Acker writes:
>> > >> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >>      Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of
>> this
>> > >> message, and I'll talk you through it.  BTW, I do know that you're in
>> the
>> > >> UK.
>> > >>           HTH.
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Bill in Denver
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi Janina,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I
>> > >> > haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and
>> > >> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on
>> > >> > how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks.
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Speakup mailing list
>> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sheila Acock
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Sheila Acock

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Janina Sajka]

Glad to hear it's working better.

To make lynx blind friendly:

1.)	Be sure you've enable the show_cursor setting.

2.)	You may want to turn on "Links and Form Fields are numbered."

While this last isn't strictly necessary, it certainly indicates what
text is a hyperlink or form field, and it gives you another way to
activate (or navigate to) hyperlinks and form fields. How? By typing the
number on the qwerty and pressing enter.

The other way is to tab and alt-tab, or just up and down arrow.

These (and other settings) are in the 'o' for options menu. You may need
help getting them set correctly the first time. Once cursor tracking is
active, that menu is fairly easy to use. You can even make it easier by
turning pop-offs off.

All of these settings are also configurable at the command line, or in
the .lynxrc or the global lynx.cfg files.

Sheila Acock writes:
> From: Sheila Acock <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very 
> helpful.
> 
> My Apollo is now talking much better;  not perfect, but I find it quite 
> usable, which I certainly didn't before.
> 
> I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some 
> Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate 
> links).
> 
> Many thanks, Bill.
> 
> p.s.  Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I 
> am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be 
> struggling.
> 
> Sheila.
> 
> In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka 
> <janina@rednote.net> writes
> >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin>
> >
> >
> >William F. Acker writes:
> >>From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org>
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>     Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this
> >>message, and I'll talk you through it.  BTW, I do know that you're in the
> >>UK.
> >>          HTH.
> >>--
> >>
> >>
> >>Bill in Denver
> >>
> >>On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Janina,
> >>>
> >>> No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I
> >>> haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and
> >>> get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on
> >>> how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Speakup mailing list
> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> -- 
> Sheila Acock
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2

[Sheila Acock]

Janina,

Thanks for the tips on using Lynx.

In message <20031110163023.GC396@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka 
<janina@rednote.net> writes
>Glad to hear it's working better.
>
>To make lynx blind friendly:
>
>1.)    Be sure you've enable the show_cursor setting.
>
>2.)    You may want to turn on "Links and Form Fields are numbered."
>
>While this last isn't strictly necessary, it certainly indicates what
>text is a hyperlink or form field, and it gives you another way to
>activate (or navigate to) hyperlinks and form fields. How? By typing the
>number on the qwerty and pressing enter.
>
>The other way is to tab and alt-tab, or just up and down arrow.
>
>These (and other settings) are in the 'o' for options menu. You may need
>help getting them set correctly the first time. Once cursor tracking is
>active, that menu is fairly easy to use. You can even make it easier by
>turning pop-offs off.
>
>All of these settings are also configurable at the command line, or in
>the .lynxrc or the global lynx.cfg files.
>
>Sheila Acock writes:
>> From: Sheila Acock <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very
>> helpful.
>>
>> My Apollo is now talking much better;  not perfect, but I find it quite
>> usable, which I certainly didn't before.
>>
>> I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some
>> Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate
>> links).
>>
>> Many thanks, Bill.
>>
>> p.s.  Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I
>> am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be
>> struggling.
>>
>> Sheila.
>>
>> In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka
>> <janina@rednote.net> writes
>> >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin>
>> >
>> >
>> >William F. Acker writes:
>> >>From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org>
>> >>
>> >>Hi,
>> >>
>> >>     Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this
>> >>message, and I'll talk you through it.  BTW, I do know that you're in the
>> >>UK.
>> >>          HTH.
>> >>--
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Bill in Denver
>> >>
>> >>On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Janina,
>> >>>
>> >>> No, I haven't.  As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I
>> >>> haven't really tried anything much.  If it might help, I will try and
>> >>> get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on
>> >>> how to accomplish it?  I am really rather daunted by the whole thing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sheila Acock
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Sheila Acock

Fedora aint workin

[Darragh]

Good evening,
I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about thirty
seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it was safe
to reboot the computer.

There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't
remember.

Any ideas?

Darragh

Re: Fedora aint workin

[Janina Sajka]

I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate.

Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but cannot
boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run?

If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message
this morning to kill firstboot?


Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> Good evening,
> I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about thirty
> seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it was safe
> to reboot the computer.
> 
> There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't
> remember.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Darragh
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

RE: Fedora aint workin

[Darragh]

I do apologise.  In my haste I forgot to make any sence at all.  

I started the installation by typing
Text speakup_synth=APOLO
But I only got about two seconds into where speakup started speaking
before I got about four lines of errors and I was told that it was safe
to reboot.
I also tried typing linux text but I got the same result.
While I could grab a sighted person I tried using the graphicle install
by just hitting enter at the prompt but again nothing happened after the
same point.
Is there any way that I can capture the error messages that I'm getting?

Again, let me say that I haven't even got into the place where it asks
me what language I want to use.

Thanks


Darragh Ó Héiligh
E mail     D@digitaldarragh.com
Web site:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com
Phone:     087-7912828

************************************************
This address is private.  Unless specifically
Authorized, you may not under any circumstances
Knowingly share it with anyone.
************************************************ 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 10 November 2003 21:47
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin


I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate.

Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but cannot
boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run?

If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message
this morning to kill firstboot?


Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> Good evening,
> I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about 
> thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it 
> was safe to reboot the computer.
> 
> There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't 
> remember.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Darragh
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora aint workin

[Janina Sajka]

So, you're booting from a CD ROM that you created from the boot.iso
image?

First suggestion is to run a md5sum check. But, I'm not sure how you do
that without Linux.

It might be helpful to get the error messages--at least in part.

What hardware are you using?


Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> I do apologise.  In my haste I forgot to make any sence at all.  
> 
> I started the installation by typing
> Text speakup_synth=APOLO
> But I only got about two seconds into where speakup started speaking
> before I got about four lines of errors and I was told that it was safe
> to reboot.
> I also tried typing linux text but I got the same result.
> While I could grab a sighted person I tried using the graphicle install
> by just hitting enter at the prompt but again nothing happened after the
> same point.
> Is there any way that I can capture the error messages that I'm getting?
> 
> Again, let me say that I haven't even got into the place where it asks
> me what language I want to use.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Darragh Ó Héiligh
> E mail     D@digitaldarragh.com
> Web site:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com
> Phone:     087-7912828
> 
> ************************************************
> This address is private.  Unless specifically
> Authorized, you may not under any circumstances
> Knowingly share it with anyone.
> ************************************************ 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 10 November 2003 21:47
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin
> 
> 
> I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate.
> 
> Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but cannot
> boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run?
> 
> If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message
> this morning to kill firstboot?
> 
> 
> Darragh writes:
> > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> > 
> > Good evening,
> > I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about 
> > thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it 
> > was safe to reboot the computer.
> > 
> > There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't 
> > remember.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Darragh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

RE: Fedora aint workin

[Darragh]

I Downloaded the following three files.
yarrow-i386-disc1.iso
yarrow-i386-disc2.iso
yarrow-i386-disc3.iso

I'm using the apolo synth,
An athalon 2100 plus processor,
I have rh8 currently installed on a secondary ide drive which is about
80GB. That's hdb1 threw 4 if memory serves.
I have the windows partition which has 80gb for winblows and 40GB for
linux files converted to fat32 so I can read and write from linux.
There's a 56K modem, 100MB network card and a tifoon digital sound card.
Connected to the PCI bus.
There's 512MB of ram, a sound blaster odgity, a dimond viper video card
which I think is a 32 bit card.
There's usually a pianeer DVD cd drive that's disconnected as it was
conflicting with something in windows, a cdrw drive which is now in its
place.  

I think that's it.


Come to think of it, I'll try it with the dvd cd rom to see if there's a
difference.  


Darragh Ó Héiligh
Web site:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com

************************************************
This address is private.  Unless specifically
Authorized, you may not under any circumstances
Knowingly share it with anyone.
************************************************ 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 10 November 2003 22:02
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin


So, you're booting from a CD ROM that you created from the boot.iso
image?

First suggestion is to run a md5sum check. But, I'm not sure how you do
that without Linux.

It might be helpful to get the error messages--at least in part.

What hardware are you using?


Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> I do apologise.  In my haste I forgot to make any sence at all.
> 
> I started the installation by typing
> Text speakup_synth=APOLO
> But I only got about two seconds into where speakup started speaking 
> before I got about four lines of errors and I was told that it was 
> safe to reboot. I also tried typing linux text but I got the same 
> result. While I could grab a sighted person I tried using the 
> graphicle install by just hitting enter at the prompt but again 
> nothing happened after the same point.
> Is there any way that I can capture the error messages that I'm
getting?
> 
> Again, let me say that I haven't even got into the place where it asks

> me what language I want to use.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Darragh Ó Héiligh
> E mail     D@digitaldarragh.com
> Web site:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com
> Phone:     087-7912828
> 
> ************************************************
> This address is private.  Unless specifically
> Authorized, you may not under any circumstances
> Knowingly share it with anyone.
> ************************************************
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 10 November 2003 21:47
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin
> 
> 
> I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate.
> 
> Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but 
> cannot boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run?
> 
> If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message 
> this morning to kill firstboot?
> 
> 
> Darragh writes:
> > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> > 
> > Good evening,
> > I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about
> > thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it

> > was safe to reboot the computer.
> > 
> > There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't
> > remember.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Darragh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> --
> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Fedora aint workin

[Darragh]

Another day another dozen problems haha.  

I got the thing as far as choosing the medium where the discs are.  I've
coppied the three izos onto CDs and have tried choosing both hdb5 and CD
as the installation source.  Both times I get an error telling me that
the discs are not for this version of the distribution or something like
that.  

I'm sorry for such vague error messages but again I wait the ten minuts
for windows to relode I've forgotten them.

I've downloaded the three isos, the two boot files boot.iso and
bootorig.iso with no success during the installation.

Oh, by the way, why is there a speakup key map in the two files?  Am I
missing something here?  Knowing me I've downloaded too much or not
enough.

Darragh
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 10 November 2003 22:02
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin


So, you're booting from a CD ROM that you created from the boot.iso
image?

First suggestion is to run a md5sum check. But, I'm not sure how you do
that without Linux.

It might be helpful to get the error messages--at least in part.

What hardware are you using?


Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> I do apologise.  In my haste I forgot to make any sence at all.
> 
> I started the installation by typing
> Text speakup_synth=APOLO
> But I only got about two seconds into where speakup started speaking 
> before I got about four lines of errors and I was told that it was 
> safe to reboot. I also tried typing linux text but I got the same 
> result. While I could grab a sighted person I tried using the 
> graphicle install by just hitting enter at the prompt but again 
> nothing happened after the same point.
> Is there any way that I can capture the error messages that I'm
getting?
> 
> Again, let me say that I haven't even got into the place where it asks

> me what language I want to use.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Darragh Ó Héiligh
> E mail     D@digitaldarragh.com
> Web site:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com
> Phone:     087-7912828
> 
> ************************************************
> This address is private.  Unless specifically
> Authorized, you may not under any circumstances
> Knowingly share it with anyone.
> ************************************************
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 10 November 2003 21:47
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin
> 
> 
> I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate.
> 
> Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but 
> cannot boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run?
> 
> If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message 
> this morning to kill firstboot?
> 
> 
> Darragh writes:
> > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> > 
> > Good evening,
> > I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about
> > thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it

> > was safe to reboot the computer.
> > 
> > There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't
> > remember.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Darragh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> --
> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora aint workin

[Janina Sajka]

Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> Another day another dozen problems haha.  
> 
> I got the thing as far as choosing the medium where the discs are.  I've
> coppied the three izos onto CDs and have tried choosing both hdb5 and CD
> as the installation source.  Both times I get an error telling me that
> the discs are not for this version of the distribution or something like
> that.  

Sounds like a mismatch between the boot media files and the ISO images.
Is that possible? The version number was incremented yesterday when Bill
released iso images with fixes. Might you have grabbed the wrong
boot.iso yesterday?

The cleanest solution might be to download the new set of iso's and
start from scratch. If you have broadband this may be the way to go.

If you do not have broadband, you might want to get the cygwin package
from redhat.com. Cygwin is a bash prompt for Windows. The reason it's
useful is that you get rsync in the process. Rsync will let you bring
your iso's up to date without redownloading everything. It will only
download and apply the differences. You'll be using rsync once you have
Linux working.

Or, if you do have another (or the same) box already running Linux,
forget everything I wrote and do this:

rsync -cvt bumpy.braille.uwo.ca::ftp/speakup/disks/fedora/1/yarrow*iso
[path to your iso images]

NOTE: "Path o your iso images" might just be dot, as in . if you issue
this command from the directory whereyou have your yarrow iso files.

If that's the root of /dev/hdb5 (Hello, Janina, Daragh has Linux
already), just issue this command and go away for an hour or two.

You can create a cdrom from the boot.iso that will be in
yarrow-i386.disc1.iso in the /images directory.

You don't need to create 3 cd roms if you're not formatting /dev/hdb5.

RE: Fedora aint workin

[Darragh]

Hello,
This is the error that I got.  Its not the output from the whole screen,
I've started from the line that ends with done.  
So far, I've tried, extracting the ISO to a new CD.
Trying the CD on other computers.
Taking out and adding hardware such as the cd rom windows hard disk the
network card and the modem.
I left one of the CD roms in while trying the isntall but no success.
Any ideas?
running install..... 
running /sbin/loader
error -214783630 reading header: cpio: g read failed - no such file or
directory
error -214783630 reading header: cpio: g read failed - no such file or
directory
error -214783630 reading header: cpio: g read failed - no such file or
directory
error -214783630 reading header: cpio: g read failed - no such file or
directory
install exited abnormally -- received signel 11 
sending termination signels...done
sending kill signels...done
disabling shares...
unmounting filesystems...
/proc done
/dev/pts done
/tmp/reafs done
you may safely reboot your system
Thanks, darragh

RE: Fedora aint workin

[Darragh]

Cancil all that.  I didn't realize that I was suppose to download the
boot disk.  I know stupid stupid mistake.  Please forgive me.

Well, when I pointed to /dev/hdb5 it didn't let me use the isos there so
I'll extract them to cd in the morning.

As always, thanks again Jinina for jumping into the breach!


It was Much appreciated.


Darragh

Re: Fedora aint workin

[Janina Sajka]

You shouldn't have to burn cd's. Do you actually have the iso images at
/dev/hdb5? Does the installer see that partition, and are the iso's in
the root of that partition?

For example, if /dev/hdb5 is your /home directory, they're likely one
directory below, so you need to specify it in the text field provided on
that screen.

Let me encourage you that I do hard drive installations all the time.
It's my preferred way to install.

Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> Cancil all that.  I didn't realize that I was suppose to download the
> boot disk.  I know stupid stupid mistake.  Please forgive me.
> 
> Well, when I pointed to /dev/hdb5 it didn't let me use the isos there so
> I'll extract them to cd in the morning.
> 
> As always, thanks again Jinina for jumping into the breach!
> 
> 
> It was Much appreciated.
> 
> 
> Darragh
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Dawes, Stephen]

Janina,

As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum into your how-to. 

If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use command-line-based
application that does an excellent job of managing your rpms. Yum is
also very useful for doing such system activities as: 
Installing applications.
Removing applications.
Keeping your system up-to-date.
Doing system upgrades.
The overall advantage to yum is that it takes away all the guess work
when it comes to dependencies.

I have found a partial yum how-to at:
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html 
that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.

The yum info page can be found at:
https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum

Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.

Just my thoughts for the future.

OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
was running fedora. Ain't life good!

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca



NOTICE::
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.

Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Darragh]

simple question really.  but I don't have the answer.  for installing the
kurnel I type the line
rpm -i kernel-2.4.22-2.nptlspk2.i686.rpm
and hit enter but I get an error message. any ideas why?
I've tried using the fool path as well with no change.

Darragh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@calgary.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads


Janina,

As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum into your how-to.

If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use command-line-based
application that does an excellent job of managing your rpms. Yum is
also very useful for doing such system activities as:
Installing applications.
Removing applications.
Keeping your system up-to-date.
Doing system upgrades.
The overall advantage to yum is that it takes away all the guess work
when it comes to dependencies.

I have found a partial yum how-to at:
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html
that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.

The yum info page can be found at:
https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum

Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.

Just my thoughts for the future.

OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
was running fedora. Ain't life good!

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca



NOTICE::
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity
named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally
privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person
responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended
recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of
this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify
us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication,
or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks
you for your attention and cooperation.


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Janina Sajka]

Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> simple question really.  but I don't have the answer.  for installing the
> kurnel I type the line
> rpm -i kernel-2.4.22-2.nptlspk2.i686.rpm
> and hit enter but I get an error message. any ideas why?

What error? And where, exactly, did this kernel come from? I'm asking
for the specifics as this same kernel name will show up in several
directories--dfor the reason that it's to be matched to the installed
system.

You can't mix. You have to match.


> I've tried using the fool path as well with no change.
> 
> Darragh
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@calgary.ca>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads
> 
> 
> Janina,
> 
> As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum into your how-to.
> 
> If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use command-line-based
> application that does an excellent job of managing your rpms. Yum is
> also very useful for doing such system activities as:
> Installing applications.
> Removing applications.
> Keeping your system up-to-date.
> Doing system upgrades.
> The overall advantage to yum is that it takes away all the guess work
> when it comes to dependencies.
> 
> I have found a partial yum how-to at:
> http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html
> that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.
> 
> The yum info page can be found at:
> https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum
> 
> Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.
> 
> Just my thoughts for the future.
> 
> OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
> it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
> was running fedora. Ain't life good!
> 
> Steve Dawes
> Phone: (403) 268-5527
> Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
> 
> 
> 
> NOTICE::
> This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity
> named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally
> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person
> responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended
> recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of
> this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify
> us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication,
> or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks
> you for your attention and cooperation.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Darragh]

Hello again,
well I eventually got it installed by typing rpm --force.
I found modules for all the other synths but the apolo and I then found the
C code for it.  I've checked the apolo module and am now recompiling the
kernel.  after this, assuming there are no errors I'll try to use make
install then modprobe speakup_apolo

The speakup I'm using is 2.0 from cvs.

I got it from:
ftp.linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/fedora/1/kernel-2.4.22-2.nptlspk2.i6
86.rpm

This matches the kernel information on the log in screen.

I had always thought that the line for starting speakup was
speakup_synth=APOLO when did this change or am I just messed up from all
this typing.

I have a feeling that I'm going to be undoing everything that I've done when
someone tells me there is a much easier way.

Oh, I got it back to run level 3 as well.  yay!

haha.

Oh the reason that the kernel wouldn't install is I forgot to change from
text to binary when copying it from my computer to the linux machine.  when
I tried to install it I was told that i was already there.  I used
the --force arguement to try it any way.

Darragh

RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Joe Clever]

Stephen,

Could you clarify your last paragraph. Does this mean that you successfully
upgraded Red Hat 9 to Fedora using yum?


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Dawes, Stephen
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:28 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads


Janina,

As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum into your how-to. 

If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use command-line-based
application that does an excellent job of managing your rpms. Yum is
also very useful for doing such system activities as: 
Installing applications.
Removing applications.
Keeping your system up-to-date.
Doing system upgrades.
The overall advantage to yum is that it takes away all the guess work
when it comes to dependencies.

I have found a partial yum how-to at:
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html 
that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.

The yum info page can be found at:
https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum

Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.

Just my thoughts for the future.

OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
was running fedora. Ain't life good!

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca



NOTICE::
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity
named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally
privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person
responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended
recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of
this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify
us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication,
or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks
you for your attention and cooperation.


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Dawes, Stephen]

It depends what the error message is
Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca





NOTICE::
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
	[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Darragh
	Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 08:34 AM
	To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
	Subject: Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists 
	and downloads
	
	
	simple question really.  but I don't have the answer.  
	for installing the kurnel I type the line rpm -i 
	kernel-2.4.22-2.nptlspk2.i686.rpm and hit enter but I 
	get an error message. any ideas why? I've tried using 
	the fool path as well with no change.
	
	Darragh
	
	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@calgary.ca>
	To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
	<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
	Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:27 PM
	Subject: RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists 
	and downloads
	
	
	Janina,
	
	As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum 
	into your how-to.
	
	If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use 
	command-line-based application that does an excellent 
	job of managing your rpms. Yum is also very useful for 
	doing such system activities as: Installing 
	applications. Removing applications. Keeping your 
	system up-to-date. Doing system upgrades. The overall 
	advantage to yum is that it takes away all the guess 
	work when it comes to dependencies.
	
	I have found a partial yum how-to at: 
	http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO
/yum_HOWTO.html
that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.

The yum info page can be found at:
https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum

Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.

Just my thoughts for the future.

OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
was running fedora. Ain't life good!

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca



NOTICE::
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity
named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally
privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a
person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the
intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution,
or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in
it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or
delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by
us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Dawes, Stephen]

Yes!
Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca



NOTICE::
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
	[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Joe Clever
	Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 09:00 AM
	To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
	Subject: RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists 
	and downloads
	
	
	Stephen,
	
	Could you clarify your last paragraph. Does this mean 
	that you successfully upgraded Red Hat 9 to Fedora using yum?
	
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
	[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
	On Behalf Of Dawes, Stephen
	Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:28 AM
	To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
	Subject: RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists 
	and downloads
	
	
	Janina,
	
	As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum 
	into your how-to. 
	
	If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use 
	command-line-based application that does an excellent 
	job of managing your rpms. Yum is also very useful for 
	doing such system activities as: 
	Installing applications.
	Removing applications.
	Keeping your system up-to-date.
	Doing system upgrades.
	The overall advantage to yum is that it takes away all 
	the guess work when it comes to dependencies.
	
	I have found a partial yum how-to at: 
	http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO
/yum_HOWTO.html 
that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.

The yum info page can be found at:
https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum

Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.

Just my thoughts for the future.

OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
was running fedora. Ain't life good!

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca



NOTICE::
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity
named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally
privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a
person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the
intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution,
or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in
it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or
delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by
us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup



_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup