* Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2
@ Sheila Acock
` Darragh
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Sheila Acock @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
\x7fHi,
Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation.
I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I
ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came
together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am
feeling quite discouraged.
Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided
to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a
system up and running to play with fairly quickly.
I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now
have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850 processor, with
250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth. The trouble is, the speech is so
disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it.
Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people
reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February.
There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one
person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta"
had helped to some extent.
I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't
think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable
speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated,
remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in
words of one syllable.
Thanks.
Sheila.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread* RE: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 Sheila Acock @ ` Darragh ` Sheila Acock ` Geoff Shang ` Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads Darragh ` Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' I cant exactly who was good enough to send that back then but I kept it as it was so helpful. HZ is set to 512. To compensate, you'll need to change the timing variables for Speakup. In the /proc/speakup/apollo directory, you'll se files called jiffy_delta and delay_time, among others. Note that I might not have spelled apollo the way it is in the /proc/speakup directory. Use the "cat" command to display the value contained in the two pseudo files. For example: "cat jiffy_delta" and "cat delay_time", without the quotes, of course. To change a value, use the "echo" command. For example: "echo 15 > jiffy_delta" and "echo 80> delay_time". Using cat, find the value of jiffy_delta. Multiply the value by five. For example, if the value of jiffy_delta is 3, make it 15. Then, find the value of delay_time. Divide it by 5. For example, if you find 400, make it 80. If this works, you can write a script to make this happen on boot. I do have this happening at boot, but it was a while ago and I've not touched linux much since. Hope that helps Darragh -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Sheila Acock Sent: 08 November 2003 23:02 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 \x7fHi, Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation. I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am feeling quite discouraged. Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a system up and running to play with fairly quickly. I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850 processor, with 250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth. The trouble is, the speech is so disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it. Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February. There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta" had helped to some extent. I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated, remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in words of one syllable. Thanks. Sheila. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Darragh @ ` Sheila Acock ` Geoff Shang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Sheila Acock @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Darragh, Thank you very much for your prompt reply. I will hopefully give it a try tomorrow. Thanks. Sheila. In message <000001c3a64f$16c96370$0100a8c0@desktop>, Darragh <lists@digitaldarragh.com> writes >I cant exactly who was good enough to send that back then but I kept it >as it was so helpful. > >HZ is set to 512. To compensate, you'll need to >change the timing variables for Speakup. In the /proc/speakup/apollo >directory, you'll se files called jiffy_delta and delay_time, among >others. >Note that I might not have spelled apollo the way it is in the >/proc/speakup directory. Use the "cat" command to display the value >contained in the two pseudo files. For example: "cat jiffy_delta" and >"cat >delay_time", without the quotes, of course. To change a value, use the >"echo" command. For example: "echo 15 > jiffy_delta" and "echo 80> >delay_time". Using cat, find the value of jiffy_delta. Multiply the >value >by five. For example, if the value of jiffy_delta is 3, make it 15. >Then, >find the value of delay_time. Divide it by 5. For example, if you find > >400, make it 80. If this works, you can write a script to make this >happen on boot. > > >I do have this happening at boot, but it was a while ago and I've not >touched linux much since. > >Hope that helps > > >Darragh > >-----Original Message----- >From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca >[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Sheila Acock >Sent: 08 November 2003 23:02 >To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca >Subject: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 > > >\x7fHi, > >Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation. >I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I >ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came >together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am >feeling quite discouraged. > > Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided >to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a >system up and running to play with fairly quickly. > >I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now >have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850 processor, with >250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth. The trouble is, the speech is so >disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it. > >Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people >reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February. >There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one >person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta" >had helped to some extent. > >I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't >think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable >speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated, >remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in >words of one syllable. > >Thanks. > >Sheila. > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* RE: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Darragh ` Sheila Acock @ ` Geoff Shang ` Sheila Acock 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Geoff Shang @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi: Just a warning when messing with these values. These control the timing of parts of the kernel, and putting in values that are extreme in either direction may cause your machine to crash. So tred carefully. Geoff. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Geoff Shang @ ` Sheila Acock ` Keyboard maps Darragh 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Sheila Acock @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Geoff, Thanks for the warning. Sheila. In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311091213570.21464-100000@data.home>, Geoff Shang <gshang@uq.net.au> writes >Hi: > >Just a warning when messing with these values. These control the timing of >parts of the kernel, and putting in values that are extreme in either >direction may cause your machine to crash. So tred carefully. > >Geoff. > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Sheila Acock ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Keyboard maps ` Sheila Acock @ ` Darragh 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hello, While reading the speakup howto, I noticed that the US keyboard layout is now supported. Any chance the Irish one is as well? Darragh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 Sheila Acock ` Darragh @ ` Darragh ` Janina Sajka ` Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hello, I've being waiting for the release of Fedora 1.0 since early October as I was told by numerous people that it would have gnopernicus pree configured. Now that the speakup modified version is up I'm just dying to download it and have a good root around. However, I'm going to try to do the sensible thing first and spend the first few days reading up on installation howtos and FAQ's. Can any one suggest a few? I'm hoping to set up the following: Fedora 1.0 with speakup. Gnome with the Gnopernicus screen reader. Some of the Gnopernicus supported applications. Emacspeak W3. Vm. I'm also hoping to use FTP to connect to the laptop which is running win 2000. I have a linksys router which can act as a dhcp server as well. They all connect with no problems in windows. Oh, just one more thing, what do they mean by pree configured? That sounds like a simpol question, feel free to laugh at my lack of experience. Any suggestions very welcome Darragh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads ` Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka ` Darragh 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Darragh writes: > > I've being waiting for the release of Fedora 1.0 since early October as > I was told by numerous people that it would have gnopernicus pree > configured. Now that the speakup modified version is up I'm just dying > to download it and have a good root around. > > However, I'm going to try to do the sensible thing first and spend the > first few days reading up on installation howtos and FAQ's. Can any one > suggest a few? Until we get the new installation HOWTO up, you may as well study the current HOWTO for Red Hat 9. It's going to be very nearly the same: http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html > > I'm hoping to set up the following: > Fedora 1.0 with speakup. As of the moment, there's only a minor modification from how this is done with Red Hat 9. > Gnome with the Gnopernicus screen reader. If you select "everything," as the HOWTO has always recommended, you'll get this without extra effort. > Some of the Gnopernicus supported applications. I'm not sure what you're referring to, of course. But, if you're referring to Mozilla and OpenOffice you're still very much on your own. There is no single doc that I'm aware of that takes you through this in the Fedora context. > Emacspeak > W3. > Vm. You're on your own for this, as you have been with Red Hat through many generations of Red Hat releases. The Emacspeak shipped in Fedora Cora is version 17.0, whereas 18.0-1 is current. > I'm also hoping to use FTP to connect to the laptop which is running win > 2000. I have a linksys router which can act as a dhcp server as well. > They all connect with no problems in windows. If your LinkSys is serving up ip addresses, Linux can certainly accept the assignment easily enough. There's no particular magic to using ftp outbound from Linux, but your host has to be running an ftp server, of course. I would wager networking works far more easily and reliably on Linux--at least in my experience. > Methinks thou hast best inquire of "they" directly. I don't speak for "they," whoever that might be. > Oh, just one more thing, what do they mean by pree configured? Thati > sounds like a simpol question, feel free to laugh at my lack of > experience. > > Any suggestions very welcome > > > Darragh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads ` Janina Sajka @ ` Darragh ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hello, As always, you're a welth of information. Thanks. Yes, I was refairing to Mozilla but, I couldn't think of the name. I'll probably get comfortable with the basics for a while before trying any of that. Does any one know what freetts is like with gnopernicus? I don't think its usable with speakup yet is it? Darragh -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 08 November 2003 23:59 To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads Darragh writes: > > I've being waiting for the release of Fedora 1.0 since early October > as I was told by numerous people that it would have gnopernicus pree > configured. Now that the speakup modified version is up I'm just > dying to download it and have a good root around. > > However, I'm going to try to do the sensible thing first and spend the > first few days reading up on installation howtos and FAQ's. Can any > one suggest a few? Until we get the new installation HOWTO up, you may as well study the current HOWTO for Red Hat 9. It's going to be very nearly the same: http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html > > I'm hoping to set up the following: > Fedora 1.0 with speakup. As of the moment, there's only a minor modification from how this is done with Red Hat 9. > Gnome with the Gnopernicus screen reader. If you select "everything," as the HOWTO has always recommended, you'll get this without extra effort. > Some of the Gnopernicus supported applications. I'm not sure what you're referring to, of course. But, if you're referring to Mozilla and OpenOffice you're still very much on your own. There is no single doc that I'm aware of that takes you through this in the Fedora context. > Emacspeak > W3. > Vm. You're on your own for this, as you have been with Red Hat through many generations of Red Hat releases. The Emacspeak shipped in Fedora Cora is version 17.0, whereas 18.0-1 is current. > I'm also hoping to use FTP to connect to the laptop which is running > win 2000. I have a linksys router which can act as a dhcp server as > well. They all connect with no problems in windows. If your LinkSys is serving up ip addresses, Linux can certainly accept the assignment easily enough. There's no particular magic to using ftp outbound from Linux, but your host has to be running an ftp server, of course. I would wager networking works far more easily and reliably on Linux--at least in my experience. > Methinks thou hast best inquire of "they" directly. I don't speak for "they," whoever that might be. > Oh, just one more thing, what do they mean by pree configured? Thati > sounds like a simpol question, feel free to laugh at my lack of > experience. > > Any suggestions very welcome > > > Darragh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads ` Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. FreeTTS sounds decent enough, imho. However, it can be a bit of a cludge to get it installed and correctly configured. But, the price is right! <grin> Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > Hello, > As always, you're a welth of information. Thanks. > Yes, I was refairing to Mozilla but, I couldn't think of the name. I'll > probably get comfortable with the basics for a while before trying any > of that. > > Does any one know what freetts is like with gnopernicus? I don't think > its usable with speakup yet is it? > > Darragh > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 08 November 2003 23:59 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads > > > Darragh writes: > > > > I've being waiting for the release of Fedora 1.0 since early October > > as I was told by numerous people that it would have gnopernicus pree > > configured. Now that the speakup modified version is up I'm just > > dying to download it and have a good root around. > > > > However, I'm going to try to do the sensible thing first and spend the > > > first few days reading up on installation howtos and FAQ's. Can any > > one suggest a few? > > Until we get the new installation HOWTO up, you may as well study the > current HOWTO for Red Hat 9. It's going to be very nearly the same: > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html > > > > > I'm hoping to set up the following: > > Fedora 1.0 with speakup. > As of the moment, there's only a minor modification from how this is > done with Red Hat 9. > > > Gnome with the Gnopernicus screen reader. > If you select "everything," as the HOWTO has always recommended, you'll > get this without extra effort. > > > Some of the Gnopernicus supported applications. > I'm not sure what you're referring to, of course. But, if you're > referring to Mozilla and OpenOffice you're still very much on your own. > There is no single doc that I'm aware of that takes you through this in > the Fedora context. > > > > Emacspeak > > W3. > > Vm. > You're on your own for this, as you have been with Red Hat through many > generations of Red Hat releases. The Emacspeak shipped in Fedora Cora is > version 17.0, whereas 18.0-1 is current. > > > I'm also hoping to use FTP to connect to the laptop which is running > > win 2000. I have a linksys router which can act as a dhcp server as > > well. They all connect with no problems in windows. > If your LinkSys is serving up ip addresses, Linux can certainly accept > the assignment easily enough. There's no particular magic to using ftp > outbound from Linux, but your host has to be running an ftp server, of > course. > > I would wager networking works far more easily and reliably on Linux--at > least in my experience. > > > > Methinks thou hast best inquire of "they" directly. I don't speak for > "they," whoever that might be. > > > Oh, just one more thing, what do they mean by pree configured? Thati > > sounds like a simpol question, feel free to laugh at my lack of > > experience. > > > > Any suggestions very welcome > > > > > > Darragh > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka > Email: janina@rednote.net > Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Director, Technology Research and Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > http://www.afb.org > > Chair, Accessibility Work Group > Free Standards Group > http://accessibility.freestandards.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 Sheila Acock ` Darragh ` Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka ` Sheila Acock 2 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Sheila: Have you downloaded and installed the latest Speakup Modified kernels for Red Hat 8 available on the web site? These contain the CVS version of Speakup and new drivers for the Apollo. You are correct that this synth has been problematic. I'm not yet clear whether the issues are well and thoroughly resolved myself. Sheila Acock writes: > From: Sheila Acock <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk> > > \x7fHi, > > Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation. > I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I > ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came > together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am > feeling quite discouraged. > > Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided > to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a > system up and running to play with fairly quickly. > > I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now > have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850 processor, with > 250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth. The trouble is, the speech is so > disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it. > > Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people > reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February. > There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one > person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta" > had helped to some extent. > > I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't > think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable > speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated, > remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in > words of one syllable. > > Thanks. > > Sheila. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 Janina Sajka @ ` Sheila Acock ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Sheila Acock @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Janina, No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. Thanks. Sheila. In message <20031109000250.GO6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes >Hi, Sheila: > >Have you downloaded and installed the latest Speakup Modified kernels >for Red Hat 8 available on the web site? These contain the CVS version >of Speakup and new drivers for the Apollo. > >You are correct that this synth has been problematic. I'm not yet clear >whether the issues are well and thoroughly resolved myself. > > >Sheila Acock writes: >> From: Sheila Acock <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk> >> >> \x7fHi, >> >> Please don't shoot me down or tell me to go and read the documentation. >> I was really keen to try Linux, and have spent many more hours than I >> ought to have done reading documentation, but I can't say it came >> together as a coherent whole, and I have had so many problems, I am >> feeling quite discouraged. >> >> Having read the HowTo about installing Redhat with Speakup, I decided >> to take the plunge and buy a box set in the hope that I could get a >> system up and running to play with fairly quickly. >> >> I won't bore you with details of the problems encountered, but I now >> have Redhat 8.0 running on a system with an Athlon 850 processor, with >> 250 mb memory and an Apollo2 synth. The trouble is, the speech is so >> disjointed I am having difficulty making much sense of it. >> >> Looking back through the List archive, I see that a couple of people >> reported a similar problem using Apollo2 and Redhat 8 back in February. >> There did not seem to be a completely satisfactory solution, though one >> person said that a suggestion involving "delay_time" and "jiffy_delta" >> had helped to some extent. >> >> I have signed up for Janina's pre-Techshare Linux workshop, but I don't >> think I'm going to make much progresss until I can get reasonable >> speech, so any help in sorting this problem would be much appreciated, >> remembering that I am a complete newbie and need things spelt out in >> words of one syllable. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Sheila. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Sheila Acock ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Sheila Acock @ ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: SPEAKUP Distribution List Hi, Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this message, and I'll talk you through it. BTW, I do know that you're in the UK. HTH. -- Bill in Denver On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote: > Hi Janina, > > No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I > haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on > how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. > > Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 @ ` Janina Sajka ` Sheila Acock 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin> William F. Acker writes: > From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org> > > Hi, > > Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this > message, and I'll talk you through it. BTW, I do know that you're in the > UK. > HTH. > -- > > > Bill in Denver > > On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote: > > > Hi Janina, > > > > No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I > > haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and > > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on > > how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. > > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Janina Sajka @ ` Sheila Acock ` Darragh ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Sheila Acock @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very helpful. My Apollo is now talking much better; not perfect, but I find it quite usable, which I certainly didn't before. I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate links). Many thanks, Bill. p.s. Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be struggling. Sheila. In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin> > > >William F. Acker writes: >> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org> >> >> Hi, >> >> Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this >> message, and I'll talk you through it. BTW, I do know that you're in the >> UK. >> HTH. >> -- >> >> >> Bill in Denver >> >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote: >> >> > Hi Janina, >> > >> > No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I >> > haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and >> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on >> > how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. >> > >> > Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Sheila Acock ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Sheila Acock @ ` Darragh ` Janina Sajka ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. what did you do? my apollo still isn't great. did you just alter the jiffy_delta and delay_time files? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Acock" <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 > Hi, > > Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very > helpful. > > My Apollo is now talking much better; not perfect, but I find it quite > usable, which I certainly didn't before. > > I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some > Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate > links). > > Many thanks, Bill. > > p.s. Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I > am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be > struggling. > > Sheila. > > In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka > <janina@rednote.net> writes > >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin> > > > > > >William F. Acker writes: > >> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this > >> message, and I'll talk you through it. BTW, I do know that you're in the > >> UK. > >> HTH. > >> -- > >> > >> > >> Bill in Denver > >> > >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Janina, > >> > > >> > No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I > >> > haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and > >> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on > >> > how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. > >> > > >> > Thanks. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > Sheila Acock > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka ` Sheila Acock 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Well, I wasn't there, Daragh, but I believe they upgraded her kernel using the kernels at http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/8.0/RPMS/. . PS It's a very busy site these days. Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > what did you do? my apollo still isn't great. did you just alter the > jiffy_delta and delay_time files? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheila Acock" <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 > > > > Hi, > > > > Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very > > helpful. > > > > My Apollo is now talking much better; not perfect, but I find it quite > > usable, which I certainly didn't before. > > > > I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some > > Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate > > links). > > > > Many thanks, Bill. > > > > p.s. Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I > > am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be > > struggling. > > > > Sheila. > > > > In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka > > <janina@rednote.net> writes > > >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin> > > > > > > > > >William F. Acker writes: > > >> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org> > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of > this > > >> message, and I'll talk you through it. BTW, I do know that you're in > the > > >> UK. > > >> HTH. > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> Bill in Denver > > >> > > >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi Janina, > > >> > > > >> > No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I > > >> > haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and > > >> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on > > >> > how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks. > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Speakup mailing list > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > Sheila Acock > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Janina Sajka @ ` Sheila Acock 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Sheila Acock @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes, that sounds about right. In message <20031110163216.GD396@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes >Well, I wasn't there, Daragh, but I believe they upgraded her kernel >using the kernels at >http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/8.0/RPMS/. . > >PS It's a very busy site these days. > >Darragh writes: >> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> >> >> what did you do? my apollo still isn't great. did you just alter the >> jiffy_delta and delay_time files? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sheila Acock" <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 >> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very >> > helpful. >> > >> > My Apollo is now talking much better; not perfect, but I find it quite >> > usable, which I certainly didn't before. >> > >> > I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some >> > Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate >> > links). >> > >> > Many thanks, Bill. >> > >> > p.s. Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I >> > am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be >> > struggling. >> > >> > Sheila. >> > >> > In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka >> > <janina@rednote.net> writes >> > >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin> >> > > >> > > >> > >William F. Acker writes: >> > >> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org> >> > >> >> > >> Hi, >> > >> >> > >> Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of >> this >> > >> message, and I'll talk you through it. BTW, I do know that you're in >> the >> > >> UK. >> > >> HTH. >> > >> -- >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Bill in Denver >> > >> >> > >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Hi Janina, >> > >> > >> > >> > No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I >> > >> > haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and >> > >> > get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on >> > >> > how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Speakup mailing list >> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Sheila Acock >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Sheila Acock ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Sheila Acock ` Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka ` Sheila Acock 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Glad to hear it's working better. To make lynx blind friendly: 1.) Be sure you've enable the show_cursor setting. 2.) You may want to turn on "Links and Form Fields are numbered." While this last isn't strictly necessary, it certainly indicates what text is a hyperlink or form field, and it gives you another way to activate (or navigate to) hyperlinks and form fields. How? By typing the number on the qwerty and pressing enter. The other way is to tab and alt-tab, or just up and down arrow. These (and other settings) are in the 'o' for options menu. You may need help getting them set correctly the first time. Once cursor tracking is active, that menu is fairly easy to use. You can even make it easier by turning pop-offs off. All of these settings are also configurable at the command line, or in the .lynxrc or the global lynx.cfg files. Sheila Acock writes: > From: Sheila Acock <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk> > > Hi, > > Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very > helpful. > > My Apollo is now talking much better; not perfect, but I find it quite > usable, which I certainly didn't before. > > I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some > Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate > links). > > Many thanks, Bill. > > p.s. Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I > am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be > struggling. > > Sheila. > > In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka > <janina@rednote.net> writes > >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin> > > > > > >William F. Acker writes: > >>From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org> > >> > >>Hi, > >> > >> Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this > >>message, and I'll talk you through it. BTW, I do know that you're in the > >>UK. > >> HTH. > >>-- > >> > >> > >>Bill in Denver > >> > >>On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Janina, > >>> > >>> No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I > >>> haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and > >>> get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on > >>> how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Speakup mailing list > >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > Sheila Acock > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fragmented speech using Redhat 8.0 and Apollo2 ` Janina Sajka @ ` Sheila Acock ` Fedora aint workin Darragh 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Sheila Acock @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Janina, Thanks for the tips on using Lynx. In message <20031110163023.GC396@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes >Glad to hear it's working better. > >To make lynx blind friendly: > >1.) Be sure you've enable the show_cursor setting. > >2.) You may want to turn on "Links and Form Fields are numbered." > >While this last isn't strictly necessary, it certainly indicates what >text is a hyperlink or form field, and it gives you another way to >activate (or navigate to) hyperlinks and form fields. How? By typing the >number on the qwerty and pressing enter. > >The other way is to tab and alt-tab, or just up and down arrow. > >These (and other settings) are in the 'o' for options menu. You may need >help getting them set correctly the first time. Once cursor tracking is >active, that menu is fairly easy to use. You can even make it easier by >turning pop-offs off. > >All of these settings are also configurable at the command line, or in >the .lynxrc or the global lynx.cfg files. > >Sheila Acock writes: >> From: Sheila Acock <sheilac@sheilac.demon.co.uk> >> >> Hi, >> >> Just to say that I did take Bill up on his offer and he was very >> helpful. >> >> My Apollo is now talking much better; not perfect, but I find it quite >> usable, which I certainly didn't before. >> >> I have just spent some time reading Man pages and using Lynx on some >> Websites, (though I haven't yet worked out how to identify and activate >> links). >> >> Many thanks, Bill. >> >> p.s. Hope no-one minds me posting this, but I am so pleased to feel I >> am getting somewhere, and hope it may encourage anyone else who might be >> struggling. >> >> Sheila. >> >> In message <20031109140009.GR6622@rednote.net>, Janina Sajka >> <janina@rednote.net> writes >> >Shiela, here's an offer you should definitely accept! <grin> >> > >> > >> >William F. Acker writes: >> >>From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209" <wacker@octothorp.org> >> >> >> >>Hi, >> >> >> >> Send me your phone number or call me at the number at the top of this >> >>message, and I'll talk you through it. BTW, I do know that you're in the >> >>UK. >> >> HTH. >> >>-- >> >> >> >> >> >>Bill in Denver >> >> >> >>On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Sheila Acock wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Janina, >> >>> >> >>> No, I haven't. As I said, the speech is so unintelligible that I >> >>> haven't really tried anything much. If it might help, I will try and >> >>> get sighted assistance with doing this, but are there instructions on >> >>> how to accomplish it? I am really rather daunted by the whole thing. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Speakup mailing list >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> >> -- >> Sheila Acock >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Sheila Acock ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Fedora aint workin ` Sheila Acock @ ` Darragh ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Good evening, I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it was safe to reboot the computer. There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't remember. Any ideas? Darragh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora aint workin ` Fedora aint workin Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka ` Darragh ` Darragh 0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate. Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but cannot boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run? If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message this morning to kill firstboot? Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > Good evening, > I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about thirty > seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it was safe > to reboot the computer. > > There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't > remember. > > Any ideas? > > Darragh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* RE: Fedora aint workin ` Janina Sajka @ ` Darragh ` Janina Sajka ` Darragh 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' I do apologise. In my haste I forgot to make any sence at all. I started the installation by typing Text speakup_synth=APOLO But I only got about two seconds into where speakup started speaking before I got about four lines of errors and I was told that it was safe to reboot. I also tried typing linux text but I got the same result. While I could grab a sighted person I tried using the graphicle install by just hitting enter at the prompt but again nothing happened after the same point. Is there any way that I can capture the error messages that I'm getting? Again, let me say that I haven't even got into the place where it asks me what language I want to use. Thanks Darragh Ó Héiligh E mail D@digitaldarragh.com Web site: http://www.digitaldarragh.com Phone: 087-7912828 ************************************************ This address is private. Unless specifically Authorized, you may not under any circumstances Knowingly share it with anyone. ************************************************ -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 10 November 2003 21:47 To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate. Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but cannot boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run? If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message this morning to kill firstboot? Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > Good evening, > I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about > thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it > was safe to reboot the computer. > > There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't > remember. > > Any ideas? > > Darragh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora aint workin ` Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka ` Darragh ` Darragh 0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. So, you're booting from a CD ROM that you created from the boot.iso image? First suggestion is to run a md5sum check. But, I'm not sure how you do that without Linux. It might be helpful to get the error messages--at least in part. What hardware are you using? Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > I do apologise. In my haste I forgot to make any sence at all. > > I started the installation by typing > Text speakup_synth=APOLO > But I only got about two seconds into where speakup started speaking > before I got about four lines of errors and I was told that it was safe > to reboot. > I also tried typing linux text but I got the same result. > While I could grab a sighted person I tried using the graphicle install > by just hitting enter at the prompt but again nothing happened after the > same point. > Is there any way that I can capture the error messages that I'm getting? > > Again, let me say that I haven't even got into the place where it asks > me what language I want to use. > > Thanks > > > Darragh Ó Héiligh > E mail D@digitaldarragh.com > Web site: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > Phone: 087-7912828 > > ************************************************ > This address is private. Unless specifically > Authorized, you may not under any circumstances > Knowingly share it with anyone. > ************************************************ > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 10 November 2003 21:47 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin > > > I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate. > > Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but cannot > boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run? > > If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message > this morning to kill firstboot? > > > Darragh writes: > > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > > > Good evening, > > I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about > > thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it > > was safe to reboot the computer. > > > > There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't > > remember. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Darragh > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka > Email: janina@rednote.net > Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Director, Technology Research and Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > http://www.afb.org > > Chair, Accessibility Work Group > Free Standards Group > http://accessibility.freestandards.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* RE: Fedora aint workin ` Janina Sajka @ ` Darragh ` Darragh 1 sibling, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' I Downloaded the following three files. yarrow-i386-disc1.iso yarrow-i386-disc2.iso yarrow-i386-disc3.iso I'm using the apolo synth, An athalon 2100 plus processor, I have rh8 currently installed on a secondary ide drive which is about 80GB. That's hdb1 threw 4 if memory serves. I have the windows partition which has 80gb for winblows and 40GB for linux files converted to fat32 so I can read and write from linux. There's a 56K modem, 100MB network card and a tifoon digital sound card. Connected to the PCI bus. There's 512MB of ram, a sound blaster odgity, a dimond viper video card which I think is a 32 bit card. There's usually a pianeer DVD cd drive that's disconnected as it was conflicting with something in windows, a cdrw drive which is now in its place. I think that's it. Come to think of it, I'll try it with the dvd cd rom to see if there's a difference. Darragh Ó Héiligh Web site: http://www.digitaldarragh.com ************************************************ This address is private. Unless specifically Authorized, you may not under any circumstances Knowingly share it with anyone. ************************************************ -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 10 November 2003 22:02 To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin So, you're booting from a CD ROM that you created from the boot.iso image? First suggestion is to run a md5sum check. But, I'm not sure how you do that without Linux. It might be helpful to get the error messages--at least in part. What hardware are you using? Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > I do apologise. In my haste I forgot to make any sence at all. > > I started the installation by typing > Text speakup_synth=APOLO > But I only got about two seconds into where speakup started speaking > before I got about four lines of errors and I was told that it was > safe to reboot. I also tried typing linux text but I got the same > result. While I could grab a sighted person I tried using the > graphicle install by just hitting enter at the prompt but again > nothing happened after the same point. > Is there any way that I can capture the error messages that I'm getting? > > Again, let me say that I haven't even got into the place where it asks > me what language I want to use. > > Thanks > > > Darragh Ó Héiligh > E mail D@digitaldarragh.com > Web site: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > Phone: 087-7912828 > > ************************************************ > This address is private. Unless specifically > Authorized, you may not under any circumstances > Knowingly share it with anyone. > ************************************************ > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 10 November 2003 21:47 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin > > > I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate. > > Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but > cannot boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run? > > If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message > this morning to kill firstboot? > > > Darragh writes: > > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > > > Good evening, > > I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about > > thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it > > was safe to reboot the computer. > > > > There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't > > remember. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Darragh > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka > Email: janina@rednote.net > Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Director, Technology Research and Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > http://www.afb.org > > Chair, Accessibility Work Group > Free Standards Group > http://accessibility.freestandards.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* RE: Fedora aint workin ` Janina Sajka ` Darragh @ ` Darragh ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Another day another dozen problems haha. I got the thing as far as choosing the medium where the discs are. I've coppied the three izos onto CDs and have tried choosing both hdb5 and CD as the installation source. Both times I get an error telling me that the discs are not for this version of the distribution or something like that. I'm sorry for such vague error messages but again I wait the ten minuts for windows to relode I've forgotten them. I've downloaded the three isos, the two boot files boot.iso and bootorig.iso with no success during the installation. Oh, by the way, why is there a speakup key map in the two files? Am I missing something here? Knowing me I've downloaded too much or not enough. Darragh -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 10 November 2003 22:02 To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin So, you're booting from a CD ROM that you created from the boot.iso image? First suggestion is to run a md5sum check. But, I'm not sure how you do that without Linux. It might be helpful to get the error messages--at least in part. What hardware are you using? Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > I do apologise. In my haste I forgot to make any sence at all. > > I started the installation by typing > Text speakup_synth=APOLO > But I only got about two seconds into where speakup started speaking > before I got about four lines of errors and I was told that it was > safe to reboot. I also tried typing linux text but I got the same > result. While I could grab a sighted person I tried using the > graphicle install by just hitting enter at the prompt but again > nothing happened after the same point. > Is there any way that I can capture the error messages that I'm getting? > > Again, let me say that I haven't even got into the place where it asks > me what language I want to use. > > Thanks > > > Darragh Ó Héiligh > E mail D@digitaldarragh.com > Web site: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > Phone: 087-7912828 > > ************************************************ > This address is private. Unless specifically > Authorized, you may not under any circumstances > Knowingly share it with anyone. > ************************************************ > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: 10 November 2003 21:47 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Fedora aint workin > > > I don't follow, Darah, please elaborate. > > Are you saying you went through the entirinstallation process but > cannot boot? Or are you saying you cannot get the installer to run? > > If the former, have you gone into single user mode as per my message > this morning to kill firstboot? > > > Darragh writes: > > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > > > Good evening, > > I just installed the three fedora discs to find that I got about > > thirty seconds into the install before it stopped telling me that it > > was safe to reboot the computer. > > > > There were about four lines of errors just before that that I don't > > remember. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Darragh > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka > Email: janina@rednote.net > Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Director, Technology Research and Development > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > http://www.afb.org > > Chair, Accessibility Work Group > Free Standards Group > http://accessibility.freestandards.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora aint workin ` Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > Another day another dozen problems haha. > > I got the thing as far as choosing the medium where the discs are. I've > coppied the three izos onto CDs and have tried choosing both hdb5 and CD > as the installation source. Both times I get an error telling me that > the discs are not for this version of the distribution or something like > that. Sounds like a mismatch between the boot media files and the ISO images. Is that possible? The version number was incremented yesterday when Bill released iso images with fixes. Might you have grabbed the wrong boot.iso yesterday? The cleanest solution might be to download the new set of iso's and start from scratch. If you have broadband this may be the way to go. If you do not have broadband, you might want to get the cygwin package from redhat.com. Cygwin is a bash prompt for Windows. The reason it's useful is that you get rsync in the process. Rsync will let you bring your iso's up to date without redownloading everything. It will only download and apply the differences. You'll be using rsync once you have Linux working. Or, if you do have another (or the same) box already running Linux, forget everything I wrote and do this: rsync -cvt bumpy.braille.uwo.ca::ftp/speakup/disks/fedora/1/yarrow*iso [path to your iso images] NOTE: "Path o your iso images" might just be dot, as in . if you issue this command from the directory whereyou have your yarrow iso files. If that's the root of /dev/hdb5 (Hello, Janina, Daragh has Linux already), just issue this command and go away for an hour or two. You can create a cdrom from the boot.iso that will be in yarrow-i386.disc1.iso in the /images directory. You don't need to create 3 cd roms if you're not formatting /dev/hdb5. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* RE: Fedora aint workin ` Janina Sajka ` Darragh @ ` Darragh ` Darragh 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hello, This is the error that I got. Its not the output from the whole screen, I've started from the line that ends with done. So far, I've tried, extracting the ISO to a new CD. Trying the CD on other computers. Taking out and adding hardware such as the cd rom windows hard disk the network card and the modem. I left one of the CD roms in while trying the isntall but no success. Any ideas? running install..... running /sbin/loader error -214783630 reading header: cpio: g read failed - no such file or directory error -214783630 reading header: cpio: g read failed - no such file or directory error -214783630 reading header: cpio: g read failed - no such file or directory error -214783630 reading header: cpio: g read failed - no such file or directory install exited abnormally -- received signel 11 sending termination signels...done sending kill signels...done disabling shares... unmounting filesystems... /proc done /dev/pts done /tmp/reafs done you may safely reboot your system Thanks, darragh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* RE: Fedora aint workin ` Darragh @ ` Darragh ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Darragh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Cancil all that. I didn't realize that I was suppose to download the boot disk. I know stupid stupid mistake. Please forgive me. Well, when I pointed to /dev/hdb5 it didn't let me use the isos there so I'll extract them to cd in the morning. As always, thanks again Jinina for jumping into the breach! It was Much appreciated. Darragh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora aint workin ` Darragh @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You shouldn't have to burn cd's. Do you actually have the iso images at /dev/hdb5? Does the installer see that partition, and are the iso's in the root of that partition? For example, if /dev/hdb5 is your /home directory, they're likely one directory below, so you need to specify it in the text field provided on that screen. Let me encourage you that I do hard drive installations all the time. It's my preferred way to install. Darragh writes: > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com> > > Cancil all that. I didn't realize that I was suppose to download the > boot disk. I know stupid stupid mistake. Please forgive me. > > Well, when I pointed to /dev/hdb5 it didn't let me use the isos there so > I'll extract them to cd in the morning. > > As always, thanks again Jinina for jumping into the breach! > > > It was Much appreciated. > > > Darragh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
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