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* dvorak
@  Igor Gueths
   ` dvorak Janina Sajka
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: Igor Gueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

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Hi all. I was briefly playing with the Dvorak layout, and find that I'm going to see if I can't learn it. I take it I would have to somewhat modify the sort of table of keycodes to Speakup 
commands which I believe is contained in speakup.c? Its been a while since I've looked.
- -- 
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- -- Alan Cox
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* RE: dvorak
@  LARRY SKUTCHAN
   ` dvorak Kenny Hitt
   ` dvorak Janina Sajka
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: LARRY SKUTCHAN @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Dvorak is a great keyboard layout.  I use it exclusively, and without
any scientific data, I find it much more efficient.  It does take a
month or two to get used to though, and it is a pain when you have to
use a qwerty machine.

The Dvorak home row is:
a o e u i d h t n s

The vowels are all on the left hand on home row.

>>> jimgrims@pacbell.net Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:07:56 AM >>>
Can I ask a question with out seeming totally dum here?  What is this
method of typing.  Now if everyone but me knows the answer to this a
private reply would be ok. 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:43 PM
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Subject: RE: dvorak


Hi Janina,

Because of trained muscle memory and experience using those pathways
in
the brain.

I do agree it's pretty OT, but it is interesting from a cognative
psychology and human computer interaction point of view.

Take care,
Sina

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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] 
On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: dvorak

Well, it's probably quite OT, but I don't see how using experienced
typists discredits anything. I should think it's the other way around.

Sina Bahram writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> This is besides the point because I'm guessing that Igore is already
> used to qerty, but I believe those tests were disputed because they 
> were done with individuals who already knew qwerty?
> 
> If one starts out using vorak ... I don't know: I mean: qwerty was
> developed to be inefficient in the first place.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] 
> On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:32 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: dvorak
> 
> Just curious as to why you think it's useful to learn Dvorak? Are
you
> aware the U.S. Navy did extensive typing tests between qwerty and 
> dvorak and found almost nodifference in speed and eficiency?
> 
> Igor Gueths writes:
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> > 
> > Hi all. I was briefly playing with the Dvorak layout, and find
that
> > I'm going to see if I can't learn it. I take it I would have to 
> > somewhat
> modify the sort of table of keycodes to Speakup commands which I
> believe is contained in speakup.c? Its been a while since I've
looked.
> > - --
> > How many chunks could checkchunk check if checkchunck could check
chunks?
> > - -- Alan Cox
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> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC
http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com 
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group
(FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org 
> 
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different 
> problem.
> 
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-- 

Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC
http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com 

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org 

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different
problem.


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* Re: dvorak
@  LARRY SKUTCHAN
   ` dvorak Igor Gueths
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From: LARRY SKUTCHAN @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

No you don't have to do a thing to the Speakup table to use it with the
Dvorak layout.


>>> igueths@lava-net.com Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:25:56 PM >>>
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Hi all. I was briefly playing with the Dvorak layout, and find that I'm
going to see if I can't learn it. I take it I would have to somewhat
modify the sort of table of keycodes to Speakup 
commands which I believe is contained in speakup.c? Its been a while
since I've looked.
- -- 
How many chunks could checkchunk check if checkchunck could check
chunks?
- -- Alan Cox
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* Re: dvorak
@  LARRY SKUTCHAN
   ` dvorak Igor Gueths
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: LARRY SKUTCHAN @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Actually, I have no idea, I just know it works flawlessly.  I am using
it on several machines that way.


>>> igueths@lava-net.com Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:09:33 AM >>>
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On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 07:46:53AM -0400, LARRY SKUTCHAN wrote:
> No you don't have to do a thing to the Speakup table to use it with
the
> Dvorak layout.

Hmm...How do you end up switching to Dvorak and have Speakup retain the
same review keys? Bc I loadkeys'ed a dvorak keymap I found in my
/usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/dvorak and found that I had 
lost my review keys. This makes sense, since the original map wasn't
designed around Dvorak in the first place. Therefore, I figured my only
alternative would be designing a whole new keymap 
around the different keycodes. Thanks!
> 
> 
> >>> igueths@lava-net.com Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:25:56 PM >>>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
> 
> Hi all. I was briefly playing with the Dvorak layout, and find that
I'm
> going to see if I can't learn it. I take it I would have to somewhat
> modify the sort of table of keycodes to Speakup 
> commands which I believe is contained in speakup.c? Its been a while
> since I've looked.
> - -- 
> How many chunks could checkchunk check if checkchunck could check
> chunks?
> - -- Alan Cox
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chunks?
- -- Alan Cox
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* Re: dvorak
@  LARRY SKUTCHAN
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: LARRY SKUTCHAN @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

I stand corrected.  sorry, I've just been using the keypad and function
keys.  Your original message is correct.


>>> igueths@lava-net.com Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:21:36 AM >>>
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Do you know the name of the keymap you're using? I'll give it a try
again later, however last I checked I couldn't get my review keys
working with the Dvorak layout...I'm assuming you were 
using the qwerty layout of review keys, while typing in the Dvorak
layout? 
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 08:15:58AM -0400, LARRY SKUTCHAN wrote:
> Actually, I have no idea, I just know it works flawlessly.  I am
using
> it on several machines that way.
> 
> 
> >>> igueths@lava-net.com Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:09:33 AM >>>
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> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 07:46:53AM -0400, LARRY SKUTCHAN wrote:
> > No you don't have to do a thing to the Speakup table to use it
with
> the
> > Dvorak layout.
> 
> Hmm...How do you end up switching to Dvorak and have Speakup retain
the
> same review keys? Bc I loadkeys'ed a dvorak keymap I found in my
> /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/dvorak and found that I had 
> lost my review keys. This makes sense, since the original map wasn't
> designed around Dvorak in the first place. Therefore, I figured my
only
> alternative would be designing a whole new keymap 
> around the different keycodes. Thanks!
> > 
> > 
> > >>> igueths@lava-net.com Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:25:56 PM >>>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: RIPEMD160
> > 
> > Hi all. I was briefly playing with the Dvorak layout, and find
that
> I'm
> > going to see if I can't learn it. I take it I would have to
somewhat
> > modify the sort of table of keycodes to Speakup 
> > commands which I believe is contained in speakup.c? Its been a
while
> > since I've looked.
> > - -- 
> > How many chunks could checkchunk check if checkchunck could check
> > chunks?
> > - -- Alan Cox
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> > 
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> 
> - -- 
> How many chunks could checkchunk check if checkchunck could check
> chunks?
> - -- Alan Cox
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- -- Alan Cox
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* Re: dvorak
@  LARRY SKUTCHAN
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: LARRY SKUTCHAN @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

I found many good tutorials on the net.  Just search for dvorak
tutorial.


>>> kenny@hittsjunk.net Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:33:31 PM >>>
Hi.

Do you know of a good tutorial to help learning the new layout?

Thanks in advance.
          Kenny
	  
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 07:38:41AM -0400, LARRY SKUTCHAN wrote:
> Dvorak is a great keyboard layout.  I use it exclusively, and
without
> any scientific data, I find it much more efficient.  It does take a
> month or two to get used to though, and it is a pain when you have
to
> use a qwerty machine.
> 
> The Dvorak home row is:
> a o e u i d h t n s

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* Re: dvorak
@  LARRY SKUTCHAN
   ` dvorak Sean McMahon
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: LARRY SKUTCHAN @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Yes, I've been using it for several years now, and I would never
consider going back.

It sure does keep other people off your keyboard, but I found that I
need a way to get the qwerty back for those times when other people want
to use my system in my account.

In Linux, I have a command called aoeu and one called asdf.  That way,
no matter which layout you have, you can switch to the other by typing
the first four letters on the left side of home row.


>>> janina@rednote.net Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:09:18 PM >>>
Wow, Larry! You've switched completely? That's fascinating. You're the
only one I know who's done that.

Funny. I was just thinking that it's easier for a blind person to
switch, because we're never going to be confused by those printed
letters on the keyboard. That also means that all we need to switch is
to load a different keymap.

How's that for keeping other people's fingers off your keyboard?

Hmmm, maybe there's some rationale here! <grin>

				Janina

LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> Dvorak is a great keyboard layout.  I use it exclusively, and
without
> any scientific data, I find it much more efficient.  It does take a
> month or two to get used to though, and it is a pain when you have
to
> use a qwerty machine.
> 
> The Dvorak home row is:
> a o e u i d h t n s
> 
> The vowels are all on the left hand on home row.

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