From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from concerto.rednote.net ([66.92.170.139]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DJd0P-0003Ae-00 for ; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:49:34 -0400 Received: from concerto.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by concerto.rednote.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j37JnVA4007417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:49:31 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by concerto.rednote.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j37JnVvU007416 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:49:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:49:31 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Message-ID: <20050407194931.GI30263@rednote.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <20050407033846.GH30263@rednote.net> <200504070342.j373gdY4027300@ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200504070342.j373gdY4027300@ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: Linux concerto.rednote.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html Subject: Re: dvorak X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:49:34 -0000 Yeah, Sina. If we go there, then we almost have to say you can never get as proficient, unless you're under the age of 10 when you start. Still, there are people that master difficult skills--whether manual, intellectual, or some kind of psycho-muscular combination. Language is a good example. By and large, most of us never really get comfortable with a foreign language unless we start very young. If we do start young, we might be as good as native in multiple languages. Still, there are those adults who get so good they really come very close. Sina Bahram writes: > Hi Janina, > > Because of trained muscle memory and experience using those pathways in the > brain. > > I do agree it's pretty OT, but it is interesting from a cognative psychology > and human computer interaction point of view. > > Take care, > Sina > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: dvorak > > Well, it's probably quite OT, but I don't see how using experienced typists > discredits anything. I should think it's the other way around. > > Sina Bahram writes: > > Hi Janina, > > > > This is besides the point because I'm guessing that Igore is already > > used to qerty, but I believe those tests were disputed because they > > were done with individuals who already knew qwerty? > > > > If one starts out using vorak ... I don't know: I mean: qwerty was > > developed to be inefficient in the first place. > > > > Take care, > > Sina > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:32 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: dvorak > > > > Just curious as to why you think it's useful to learn Dvorak? Are you > > aware the U.S. Navy did extensive typing tests between qwerty and > > dvorak and found almost nodifference in speed and eficiency? > > > > Igor Gueths writes: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > > > Hi all. I was briefly playing with the Dvorak layout, and find that > > > I'm going to see if I can't learn it. I take it I would have to > > > somewhat > > modify the sort of table of keycodes to Speakup commands which I > > believe is contained in speakup.c? Its been a while since I've looked. > > > - -- > > > How many chunks could checkchunk check if checkchunck could check > chunks? > > > - -- Alan Cox > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFCVGH0Nohoaf1zXJMRAw5vAKCKV1Nb+D88MvX0c5w3Z776pl6HCgCfYPQi > > > Sb3Oaqql0wgsnxa+PiIPRvU= > > > =JghD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com > > > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) > > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org > > > > If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org > > If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.