Re: Progress reports

Re: Progress reports

[pj]

Greetings,

I wrote:
> Lots of important applications display rapidly-updating
> progress-report lines, which I find annoying when using speakup.
> For example,  wget, or mplayer f.mp3, or aptitude safe-upgrade.
> ... Does someone have a collection of appropriate aliasses or
> wrapper-scripts ?

Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> Much simpler. Press the combination speakup+keypad-enter to
> silence spontaneous speech from speakup. The review mode still
> works. Press the combination again to restore full operation.

True.  But, being a newbie, naively reasoning that since this is
a computer it might as well do it automatically, I've written
a little Perl script:   http://www.pjb.com.au/blin/free/quiet
Documentation: http://www.pjb.com.au/blin/quiet.html

  quiet is a wrapper which, if the environment variable QUIET_PLEASE is
  set, silences speakup. Then it runs the system-installed program of
  the same name with the same arguments, then it switches speakup back on.

To install:
 1. Copy it into somewhere in your $PATH which is ahead of the system
    directories which contain the programs you wish were quieter
 2. Make it executable
 3. Link it to names identical to all the noisy programs you wish to wrap.
 4. When you're running speakup, set the environment variable QUIET_PLEASE

It works for me, so may it be useful...

Peter Billam

http://www.pjb.com.au       pj@pjb.com.au      (03) 6278 9410
"Was der Meister nicht kann,   vermöcht es der Knabe, hätt er
 ihm immer gehorcht?"   Siegfried to Mime, from Act 1 Scene 2

Re: Progress reports

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 03:41:45PM +1000, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
> True.  But, being a newbie, naively reasoning that since this is
> a computer it might as well do it automatically, I've written
> a little Perl script:   http://www.pjb.com.au/blin/free/quiet
> Documentation: http://www.pjb.com.au/blin/quiet.html
> 

Very nice. I haven't tried it yet, but it does look interesting. Is the
default for ln to make hard links or soft? Would either style work in
this setup?

Chuck


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Re: Progress reports

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 06:30:26AM -0500, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> Is the
> default for ln to make hard links or soft?

I believe ln makes hard links by default.

> Would either style work in
> this setup?

I don't see why not, but I could be wrong.

Greg


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Re: Progress reports

[Zachary Kline]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 06:30:26AM -0500, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>> Is the
>> default for ln to make hard links or soft?
>
> I believe ln makes hard links by default.
>
>> Would either style work in
>> this setup?
>
> I don't see why not, but I could be wrong.
Technically, symlinks can cross filesystem boundaries, whereas hard links 
cannot.  Beyond that, for this particular situation I think they're pretty 
much equivalent.

Re: Progress reports

[pj]

> > I believe ln makes hard links by default.
> > > Would either style work in this setup?
> > I don't see why not, but I could be wrong.
> Technically, symlinks can cross filesystem boundaries, whereas
> hard links cannot.  Beyond that, for this particular situation
> I think they're pretty much equivalent.

Yup, you'll only notice the difference when you delete one of
the files; with symlinks, if you happen to delete the original
file (e.g. "quiet") then all its symlinks are left pointing
at nothing :-(  So in this example, as someone might easily
decide to delete the file quiet because it doesn't wrap anything,
hard links might be a safer choice; but the stakes aren't high.

A symlink can link to a directory, whereas hard links can't.
Overall, symlinks are more common.  Hard links date from the very
beginning of unix, whereas symlinks were introduced a few years
later; that's the only reason why ln makes hard links by default.

Peter

http://www.pjb.com.au       pj@pjb.com.au      (03) 6278 9410
"Was der Meister nicht kann,   vermöcht es der Knabe, hätt er
 ihm immer gehorcht?"   Siegfried to Mime, from Act 1 Scene 2

Re: Progress reports

[Frost]

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 09:01:00PM +1000, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:

	> Lots of important applications display rapidly-updating
> progress-report lines, which I find annoying when using speakup.


And your's truly replied: 

	I use the "beep" package, and because my internal computer 
speaker SUCKS, I normally do a 2600Hz beep, followed by a normal beep, 
followed by another 2600Hz beep.  This is because I'm commonly on IRC 
where if anyone uses my nickname, the system beeps at me.  HTH,

				Michael

Re: Progress reports

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi,

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 09:01:00PM +1000, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
> Does someone have a collection of appropriate aliasses or
> wrapper-scripts ?  Or is there a standard environment variable
> like SPEAKUP_IN_USE that we could campaign to have applications
> respect ?

Much simpler. Press the combination speakup+keypad-enter to silence
spontaneous speech from speakup. The review mode still works. Press the
combination again to restore full operation. 

Chuck

> 
> Peter Billam
> 
> http://www.pjb.com.au       pj@pjb.com.au      (03) 6278 9410
> "Was der Meister nicht kann,   vermöcht es der Knabe, hätt er
>  ihm immer gehorcht?"   Siegfried to Mime, from Act 1 Scene 2
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Progress reports

[pj]

Greetings,

Lots of important applications display rapidly-updating
progress-report lines, which I find annoying when using speakup.
For example,  wget, or mplayer f.mp3, or aptitude safe-upgrade.
Mostly I can't see a way to switch them off, except brute force:
  echo 7 > /sys/accessibility/speakup/silent
  mplayer f.mp3
  echo 4 > /sys/accessibility/speakup/silent
or:
  wget http://somewhere.com/index.html 2>/dev/null 

Does someone have a collection of appropriate aliasses or
wrapper-scripts ?  Or is there a standard environment variable
like SPEAKUP_IN_USE that we could campaign to have applications
respect ?

Peter Billam

http://www.pjb.com.au       pj@pjb.com.au      (03) 6278 9410
"Was der Meister nicht kann,   vermöcht es der Knabe, hätt er
 ihm immer gehorcht?"   Siegfried to Mime, from Act 1 Scene 2