best way to install rh9?

best way to install rh9?

[Jacob Schmude]

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Hi
I'm thinking about giving redhat 9 a shot. I've been out of the rh world 
for quite a while--ever since 7.2, which I didn't care for. Since rh9 lacks 
speakup, what's the easiest way to install it? Should I use a kickstart 
file or install by telnet? I'm leaning toward kickstart file, as the other 
computer on my 2-computer network does not have linux on it and I'm not 
sure how well a windows telnet client with a windows screen reader would 
work in giving me feedback. It's the family computer and they like that 
micro$hit. Just want some opinions here.
next question: Is there a way that, after creating a kickstart file, I can 
test it for parse/syntax errors? Is there a program that will do this that 
I can get ahold of? I'd rather not find out during installation that I 
messed up and blew my hd partitions away, or made some other stupid mistake.
final question: In rh9's kickstart docs it says that speakup and speakup_lt 
are keyboard map options you can pick from. But rh9 doesn't have speakup. 
Are these keymaps still available even though speakup isn't, because if 
they are, I'll set the map that way from the start. If not I'll need the 
kbd speakup rpm in addition the the kernel rpm for the Athlon which I can 
grab easily enough. At least I assume that's what the kbd rpm on 
linux-speakup.org is for. Also, has anyone patched cvs speakup into rh's 
kernel source, or do I need a clean source?

Re: best way to install rh9?

[Lorenzo Prince]

Well, since you'd be connecting through a Windows box, telnet may not be
the way to go.  I think kickstart may be the answer here.  I am not sure
of any kickstart test program however.
As for the Speakup keymaps, they seem to be available, as I saw them
while doing a telnet install on my laptop.
And no, I haven't tried to patch CVS speakup into the RH kernel source
yet, but I probably will in a couple of days and I'll let you know if it
works.

Lorenzo

Linux: The OS people choose without $200,000,000 of persuasion.
	-- Mike Coleman

Jacob Schmude staggered into view and mumbled:

> Hi
> I'm thinking about giving redhat 9 a shot. I've been out of the rh world
> for quite a while--ever since 7.2, which I didn't care for. Since rh9 lacks
> speakup, what's the easiest way to install it? Should I use a kickstart
> file or install by telnet? I'm leaning toward kickstart file, as the other
> computer on my 2-computer network does not have linux on it and I'm not
> sure how well a windows telnet client with a windows screen reader would
> work in giving me feedback. It's the family computer and they like that
> micro$hit. Just want some opinions here.
> next question: Is there a way that, after creating a kickstart file, I can
> test it for parse/syntax errors? Is there a program that will do this that
> I can get ahold of? I'd rather not find out during installation that I
> messed up and blew my hd partitions away, or made some other stupid mistake.
> final question: In rh9's kickstart docs it says that speakup and speakup_lt
> are keyboard map options you can pick from. But rh9 doesn't have speakup.
> Are these keymaps still available even though speakup isn't, because if
> they are, I'll set the map that way from the start. If not I'll need the
> kbd speakup rpm in addition the the kernel rpm for the Athlon which I can
> grab easily enough. At least I assume that's what the kbd rpm on
> linux-speakup.org is for. Also, has anyone patched cvs speakup into rh's
> kernel source, or do I need a clean source?
>

Re: best way to install rh9?

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

     I don't know of a program for verifying a kickstart file.  If your IP 
address is routable, I'd be happy to help you with a telnet installation 
over the phone.  The Speakup keymaps are available in RH9, although there 
a little old.  They'll be fine for an initial installation.  I do 
recommend that you upgrade the kbd package along with the kernel.  Use the 
clean kernel-source-2.4.20-9.i386.rpm from RH to add the CVS version of 
Speakup to.  You'll have to hand patch keyboard.c, Janina or I can help 
with that.  
Any questions, call or write.
          HTH.


-- 
Bill in Denver

Re: best way to install rh9?

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, the best method really depends on what you have to work with. If you
wish to do a telnet install from a windows box you can use a program called
Terraterm pro which works fine with Window Eyes and Jaws.
You can also use terraterm to do a serial install between the Windows and
the target Linux box.
While the kickstart file is a hit and miss once you get Red Hat installed it
will create a file called anaconda_kickstart.cfg, and place it in your root
home directory.
 This file can be backed up to floppy, and reused in future installs.
Hth.

Re: best way to install rh9?

[Jacob Schmude]

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Hi
I'll probably wind up going with a kickstart file--if I get it wrong the 
first time I'll just have to get it right--grin. Anyhow, what would I have 
to do to patch keyboard.c? It's gonna take a bit to get the 3 iso images, 
so it'll be a little while before I install it.
just out of curiosity: what has rh done to keyboard.c that requires it to 
be patched by hand? I was going to suggest making a patch file, but with 
CVS, that just might not be an option since it changes so rapidly. Maybe 
there's a way for a rh-specific patch to be put into cvs and the install or 
checkout script could decide which one to apply based on a condition, 
possibly the condition of a build number after the kernel version (rh and 
mandrake are the only distros I know of that do this). I mean something 
such as 2.4.20 and 2.4.20-9. Perhaps if the script could determine the 
difference, it could know to apply the 2.4.20 redhat patch to 2.4.20-9, for 
example. Would such a thing be possible?
For now, though, can you send me some instructions on how to hand-patch it, 
what line numbers, what I need to change, etc?
At 22:41 5/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>      I don't know of a program for verifying a kickstart file.  If your IP
>address is routable, I'd be happy to help you with a telnet installation
>over the phone.  The Speakup keymaps are available in RH9, although there
>a little old.  They'll be fine for an initial installation.  I do
>recommend that you upgrade the kbd package along with the kernel.  Use the
>clean kernel-source-2.4.20-9.i386.rpm from RH to add the CVS version of
>Speakup to.  You'll have to hand patch keyboard.c, Janina or I can help
>with that.

Re: best way to install rh9?

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, Jacob. Do you want a kickstart file? I do have one that you can modify
to fit your needs.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Schmude <jacobs@surferie.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: best way to install rh9?


> Hi
> I'll probably wind up going with a kickstart file--if I get it wrong the
> first time I'll just have to get it right--grin. Anyhow, what would I have
> to do to patch keyboard.c? It's gonna take a bit to get the 3 iso images,
> so it'll be a little while before I install it.
> just out of curiosity: what has rh done to keyboard.c that requires it to
> be patched by hand? I was going to suggest making a patch file, but with
> CVS, that just might not be an option since it changes so rapidly. Maybe
> there's a way for a rh-specific patch to be put into cvs and the install
or
> checkout script could decide which one to apply based on a condition,
> possibly the condition of a build number after the kernel version (rh and
> mandrake are the only distros I know of that do this). I mean something
> such as 2.4.20 and 2.4.20-9. Perhaps if the script could determine the
> difference, it could know to apply the 2.4.20 redhat patch to 2.4.20-9,
for
> example. Would such a thing be possible?
> For now, though, can you send me some instructions on how to hand-patch
it,
> what line numbers, what I need to change, etc?
> At 22:41 5/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >      I don't know of a program for verifying a kickstart file.  If your
IP
> >address is routable, I'd be happy to help you with a telnet installation
> >over the phone.  The Speakup keymaps are available in RH9, although there
> >a little old.  They'll be fine for an initial installation.  I do
> >recommend that you upgrade the kbd package along with the kernel.  Use
the
> >clean kernel-source-2.4.20-9.i386.rpm from RH to add the CVS version of
> >Speakup to.  You'll have to hand patch keyboard.c, Janina or I can help
> >with that.
>

Re: best way to install rh9?

[Jacob Schmude]

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Hi
Yes, if you have one for me to look at that would be nice. I was going to 
make one from scratch, but seeing one other than rh's sample would be nice. 
Send it along, please.


At 18:11 5/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi, Jacob. Do you want a kickstart file? I do have one that you can modify
>to fit your needs.

Re: best way to install rh9?

[jude dashiell]

The thing is, redhat 8.0 also made the anaconda-kickstart file.  So a file
made for a successful installation of 8.0 on a machine could be used as
the basis to install the next version.

Re: best way to install rh9?

[rmann]

Hi.   Can you send me a copy of your Kickstart file?  I'm thinking about
installing RH9 on my laptop.


On Thu, 8 May 2003, Thomas D. Ward wrote:

> Hi, Jacob. Do you want a kickstart file? I do have one that you can modify
> to fit your needs.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jacob Schmude <jacobs@surferie.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: best way to install rh9?
>
>
> > Hi
> > I'll probably wind up going with a kickstart file--if I get it wrong the
> > first time I'll just have to get it right--grin. Anyhow, what would I have
> > to do to patch keyboard.c? It's gonna take a bit to get the 3 iso images,
> > so it'll be a little while before I install it.
> > just out of curiosity: what has rh done to keyboard.c that requires it to
> > be patched by hand? I was going to suggest making a patch file, but with
> > CVS, that just might not be an option since it changes so rapidly. Maybe
> > there's a way for a rh-specific patch to be put into cvs and the install
> or
> > checkout script could decide which one to apply based on a condition,
> > possibly the condition of a build number after the kernel version (rh and
> > mandrake are the only distros I know of that do this). I mean something
> > such as 2.4.20 and 2.4.20-9. Perhaps if the script could determine the
> > difference, it could know to apply the 2.4.20 redhat patch to 2.4.20-9,
> for
> > example. Would such a thing be possible?
> > For now, though, can you send me some instructions on how to hand-patch
> it,
> > what line numbers, what I need to change, etc?
> > At 22:41 5/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >      I don't know of a program for verifying a kickstart file.  If your
> IP
> > >address is routable, I'd be happy to help you with a telnet installation
> > >over the phone.  The Speakup keymaps are available in RH9, although there
> > >a little old.  They'll be fine for an initial installation.  I do
> > >recommend that you upgrade the kbd package along with the kernel.  Use
> the
> > >clean kernel-source-2.4.20-9.i386.rpm from RH to add the CVS version of
> > >Speakup to.  You'll have to hand patch keyboard.c, Janina or I can help
> > >with that.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: best way to install rh9?

[Thomas D. Ward]

Yes, that is true. If you have one you can use it making sure that you 
change a few things for the machine you are going to place it on.

On Thu, 8 May 2003, jude dashiell wrote:

> The thing is, redhat 8.0 also made the anaconda-kickstart file.  So a file
> made for a successful installation of 8.0 on a machine could be used as
> the basis to install the next version.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: best way to install rh9?

[Richard Villa]

Thomas,

I am not Jacob, but I'd like a copy of your kick start file to use to get
RH9 installed.

Richard

If you are going to burn all of your bridges, you better be able to walk on
water.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas D. Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: best way to install rh9?


> Hi, Jacob. Do you want a kickstart file? I do have one that you can modify
> to fit your needs.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jacob Schmude <jacobs@surferie.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: best way to install rh9?
>
>
> > Hi
> > I'll probably wind up going with a kickstart file--if I get it wrong the
> > first time I'll just have to get it right--grin. Anyhow, what would I
have
> > to do to patch keyboard.c? It's gonna take a bit to get the 3 iso
images,
> > so it'll be a little while before I install it.
> > just out of curiosity: what has rh done to keyboard.c that requires it
to
> > be patched by hand? I was going to suggest making a patch file, but with
> > CVS, that just might not be an option since it changes so rapidly. Maybe
> > there's a way for a rh-specific patch to be put into cvs and the install
> or
> > checkout script could decide which one to apply based on a condition,
> > possibly the condition of a build number after the kernel version (rh
and
> > mandrake are the only distros I know of that do this). I mean something
> > such as 2.4.20 and 2.4.20-9. Perhaps if the script could determine the
> > difference, it could know to apply the 2.4.20 redhat patch to 2.4.20-9,
> for
> > example. Would such a thing be possible?
> > For now, though, can you send me some instructions on how to hand-patch
> it,
> > what line numbers, what I need to change, etc?
> > At 22:41 5/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >      I don't know of a program for verifying a kickstart file.  If
your
> IP
> > >address is routable, I'd be happy to help you with a telnet
installation
> > >over the phone.  The Speakup keymaps are available in RH9, although
there
> > >a little old.  They'll be fine for an initial installation.  I do
> > >recommend that you upgrade the kbd package along with the kernel.  Use
> the
> > >clean kernel-source-2.4.20-9.i386.rpm from RH to add the CVS version of
> > >Speakup to.  You'll have to hand patch keyboard.c, Janina or I can help
> > >with that.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: best way to install rh9?

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

     In /usr/src/<linux_directory>/drivers/char/keyboard.c, find the lines 
that say
static struct kbd_struct * kbd = kbd_table;
static struct tty_struct * tty;
Presently, they're on lines 101 and 102.  Remove the word static and the 
space after it from the beginning of each line.  This is after the 
checkout program attempts to patch the file.  I have no idea what the next 
line does.  That appears to be the one that RH adds.
          HTH.
-- 
          Bill in Denver

 On Thu, 8 May 2003, 
Jacob Schmude wrote:

> Anyhow, what would I have 
> to do to patch keyboard.c? 
> just out of curiosity: what has rh done to keyboard.c that requires it to 
> be patched by hand? I was going to suggest making a patch file, but with 
> CVS, that just might not be an option since it changes so rapidly. Maybe 
> there's a way for a rh-specific patch to be put into cvs and the install or 
> checkout script could decide which one to apply based on a condition, 
> possibly the condition of a build number after the kernel version (rh and 
> mandrake are the only distros I know of that do this). I mean something 
> such as 2.4.20 and 2.4.20-9. Perhaps if the script could determine the 
> difference, it could know to apply the 2.4.20 redhat patch to 2.4.20-9, for 
> example. Would such a thing be possible?
> For now, though, can you send me some instructions on how to hand-patch it, 
> what line numbers, what I need to change, etc?
> At 22:41 5/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >      I don't know of a program for verifying a kickstart file.  If your IP
> >address is routable, I'd be happy to help you with a telnet installation
> >over the phone.  The Speakup keymaps are available in RH9, although there
> >a little old.  They'll be fine for an initial installation.  I do
> >recommend that you upgrade the kbd package along with the kernel.  Use the
> >clean kernel-source-2.4.20-9.i386.rpm from RH to add the CVS version of
> >Speakup to.  You'll have to hand patch keyboard.c, Janina or I can help
> >with that.
> 

Got it running (was Re: best way to install rh9?)

[Jacob Schmude]

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Hi
Thanks much to everyone who answered my questions about installing rh9. 
I've got rh9 and cvs speakup up and running after handpatching keyboard.c 
and miscdevice.h.  I must say it's better than rh7 which was the version I 
last used. However, how do I adjust the firewall level? I see a gui tool 
for doing it but nothing for textmode.
One last question: How safe is it to divert away from the rh-supplied 
kernel configs? One of the problems in rh7 seemed to be that if I deviated 
too far from the rh standard, my modules would have many unresolved 
symbols, never could figure out why. Does this still happen?
Thanks again.

At 21:43 5/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>      In /usr/src/<linux_directory>/drivers/char/keyboard.c, find the lines
>that say
>static struct kbd_struct * kbd = kbd_table;
>static struct tty_struct * tty;
>Presently, they're on lines 101 and 102.  Remove the word static and the
>space after it from the beginning of each line.  This is after the
>checkout program attempts to patch the file.  I have no idea what the next
>line does.  That appears to be the one that RH adds.
>           HTH.

Re: Got it running (was Re: best way to install rh9?)

[Lorenzo Prince]

Hi,
Not sure about deviating from the RH standard kernel configs, but to set
the firewall level and customize the services that are allowed through the
firewall, just type setup and select firewall setup.

Lorenzo

We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications.  Having the source code
means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department.
	-- Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software

Jacob Schmude staggered into view and mumbled:

> Hi
> Thanks much to everyone who answered my questions about installing rh9.
> I've got rh9 and cvs speakup up and running after handpatching keyboard.c
> and miscdevice.h.  I must say it's better than rh7 which was the version I
> last used. However, how do I adjust the firewall level? I see a gui tool
> for doing it but nothing for textmode.
> One last question: How safe is it to divert away from the rh-supplied
> kernel configs? One of the problems in rh7 seemed to be that if I deviated
> too far from the rh standard, my modules would have many unresolved
> symbols, never could figure out why. Does this still happen?
> Thanks again.

Re: Got it running (was Re: best way to install rh9?)

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

     For the future, it isn't necessary to patch miscdevice.h.  RH already
defines 10, 25 for the synth device.  The only difference is that the code
from CVS puts in a #ifdef CONFig_SPEAKUP so the device wouldn't be added 
if
SPEAKUP wasn't set.
          HTH.
-- 
          Bill


On Wed, 14 May 2003, Jacob Schmude wrote:

> Hi
> Thanks much to everyone who answered my questions about installing rh9. 
> I've got rh9 and cvs speakup up and running after handpatching keyboard.c 
> and miscdevice.h.  I must say it's better than rh7 which was the version I 
> last used. However, how do I adjust the firewall level? I see a gui tool 
> for doing it but nothing for textmode.
> One last question: How safe is it to divert away from the rh-supplied 
> kernel configs? One of the problems in rh7 seemed to be that if I deviated 
> too far from the rh standard, my modules would have many unresolved 
> symbols, never could figure out why. Does this still happen?
> Thanks again.
> 
> At 21:43 5/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >      In /usr/src/<linux_directory>/drivers/char/keyboard.c, find the lines
> >that say
> >static struct kbd_struct * kbd = kbd_table;
> >static struct tty_struct * tty;
> >Presently, they're on lines 101 and 102.  Remove the word static and the
> >space after it from the beginning of each line.  This is after the
> >checkout program attempts to patch the file.  I have no idea what the next
> >line does.  That appears to be the one that RH adds.
> >           HTH.
>