pine and the char set thing

pine and the char set thing

[Charles Hallenbeck]

I use pine and I get to see all those char set things too, but I
do not mind them a lot. What happens is that pine lets you
configure just one char set as its "official" char set, and when
an arriving message uses a different one, it warns you about it.
Perhaps that should be elevated to a "feature" in pine that could
be turned on or off, but right now it is a fixed behavior.

Users of speakup often listen to their mail "directly" - i.e.,
spontaneously, as it is placed on the screen. When that happens,
you cannot just skip ahead three or four lines to get past those
char set messages. What you can do is to kill the speech when
those messages start to appear, but then you lose your place and
must use review keys to go back and find what you would have
heard if you had just waited for the messages to be read and
proceed forward with the text. I think some folks do not rely on
the direct or spontaneous mode, but use review for everything.
They can easily kill a line they do not want to hear by just
hitting the "next line please" key. They will not lose their
place in the material the way people would who rely on direct
reading.

Anyway I kind of enjoy hearing those messages; it lets me know
who is still using Windows and who has kicked the habit. :-) If
David boehlman and others ever figure out how to fix their
Outlook Express to use the same char set as Pine is using, they
will in effect be "passing" and we will never ever know for
sure!!!

So even if it wastes five or six seconds per email, I cannot get
excited about those pesky messages. If it becomes a selectable
feature of Pine in a future release, so that it could be turned
off, I will probably leave mine turned on. People ought to be
able to use the char set of their choosing as long as it does not
interfere with the content of their messages.

Chuck


Visit me now at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
The Moon is New

Re: pine and the char set thing

[Janina Sajka]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> Users of speakup often listen to their mail "directly" - i.e.,
> spontaneously, as it is placed on the screen. When that happens,
> you cannot just skip ahead three or four lines to get past those
> char set messages.

One of the more useful features of the DOS screen reader, asap, was it's 
ability to silence a line, but continue speaking beginning at the next 
line. This feature was bound to the shift key, and I got very good at 
tapping shift to help me skim through such text.

In the case of pine, I suspect that the most which could be accomplished 
today is to get rid of the text that always appears, and the text that 
almost always appears. In the former category are the second and third 
lines--the two that say something like "you're using XX charset, and some 
chars may not be presented correctly." It actually does take a few seconds 
to say that text--so there's a few gained. Next, the actual char set is 
most often Windows 1252, so a rule to eliminate that would catch most of 
the annoyances.

Re: pine and the char set thing

[Ameer Armaly]

Or, like JFW, you can add a feature to speakup that let's you hit a shift
key and scip ahead in the text.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
To: "Speakup Distribution List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:11 AM
Subject: pine and the char set thing


> I use pine and I get to see all those char set things too, but I
> do not mind them a lot. What happens is that pine lets you
> configure just one char set as its "official" char set, and when
> an arriving message uses a different one, it warns you about it.
> Perhaps that should be elevated to a "feature" in pine that could
> be turned on or off, but right now it is a fixed behavior.
>
> Users of speakup often listen to their mail "directly" - i.e.,
> spontaneously, as it is placed on the screen. When that happens,
> you cannot just skip ahead three or four lines to get past those
> char set messages. What you can do is to kill the speech when
> those messages start to appear, but then you lose your place and
> must use review keys to go back and find what you would have
> heard if you had just waited for the messages to be read and
> proceed forward with the text. I think some folks do not rely on
> the direct or spontaneous mode, but use review for everything.
> They can easily kill a line they do not want to hear by just
> hitting the "next line please" key. They will not lose their
> place in the material the way people would who rely on direct
> reading.
>
> Anyway I kind of enjoy hearing those messages; it lets me know
> who is still using Windows and who has kicked the habit. :-) If
> David boehlman and others ever figure out how to fix their
> Outlook Express to use the same char set as Pine is using, they
> will in effect be "passing" and we will never ever know for
> sure!!!
>
> So even if it wastes five or six seconds per email, I cannot get
> excited about those pesky messages. If it becomes a selectable
> feature of Pine in a future release, so that it could be turned
> off, I will probably leave mine turned on. People ought to be
> able to use the char set of their choosing as long as it does not
> interfere with the content of their messages.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> Visit me now at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> The Moon is New
>
>
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Re: pine and the char set thing

[Thomas Ward]

Have I kicked the habbit yet? Lol!
In truth I did kill Windows this week. It died during an important 
project, wouldn't reboot, so I simply blew it away, and put Linux on full 
time.
Anyway, does anyone know how to change the default char set for Pine? Like 
some sort of mail rule?


On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> I use pine and I get to see all those char set things too, but I
> do not mind them a lot. What happens is that pine lets you
> configure just one char set as its "official" char set, and when
> an arriving message uses a different one, it warns you about it.
> Perhaps that should be elevated to a "feature" in pine that could
> be turned on or off, but right now it is a fixed behavior.
> 
> Users of speakup often listen to their mail "directly" - i.e.,
> spontaneously, as it is placed on the screen. When that happens,
> you cannot just skip ahead three or four lines to get past those
> char set messages. What you can do is to kill the speech when
> those messages start to appear, but then you lose your place and
> must use review keys to go back and find what you would have
> heard if you had just waited for the messages to be read and
> proceed forward with the text. I think some folks do not rely on
> the direct or spontaneous mode, but use review for everything.
> They can easily kill a line they do not want to hear by just
> hitting the "next line please" key. They will not lose their
> place in the material the way people would who rely on direct
> reading.
> 
> Anyway I kind of enjoy hearing those messages; it lets me know
> who is still using Windows and who has kicked the habit. :-) If
> David boehlman and others ever figure out how to fix their
> Outlook Express to use the same char set as Pine is using, they
> will in effect be "passing" and we will never ever know for
> sure!!!
> 
> So even if it wastes five or six seconds per email, I cannot get
> excited about those pesky messages. If it becomes a selectable
> feature of Pine in a future release, so that it could be turned
> off, I will probably leave mine turned on. People ought to be
> able to use the char set of their choosing as long as it does not
> interfere with the content of their messages.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> Visit me now at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> The Moon is New
> 
> 
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Re: pine and the char set thing

[Darcy Burnard]

To change the default character set in pine, do the following.  Go to the
main menu with m, then hit s, and then c.  Do a control-w and search for
the words  character-set.  Hit enter to change the value.  You'll probably
want to change it to
iso-8859-1, since that seems to be the most common one.


On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Have I kicked the habbit yet? Lol!
> In truth I did kill Windows this week. It died during an important 
> project, wouldn't reboot, so I simply blew it away, and put Linux on full 
> time.
> Anyway, does anyone know how to change the default char set for Pine? Like 
> some sort of mail rule?
> 
> 
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> > I use pine and I get to see all those char set things too, but I
> > do not mind them a lot. What happens is that pine lets you
> > configure just one char set as its "official" char set, and when
> > an arriving message uses a different one, it warns you about it.
> > Perhaps that should be elevated to a "feature" in pine that could
> > be turned on or off, but right now it is a fixed behavior.
> > 
> > Users of speakup often listen to their mail "directly" - i.e.,
> > spontaneously, as it is placed on the screen. When that happens,
> > you cannot just skip ahead three or four lines to get past those
> > char set messages. What you can do is to kill the speech when
> > those messages start to appear, but then you lose your place and
> > must use review keys to go back and find what you would have
> > heard if you had just waited for the messages to be read and
> > proceed forward with the text. I think some folks do not rely on
> > the direct or spontaneous mode, but use review for everything.
> > They can easily kill a line they do not want to hear by just
> > hitting the "next line please" key. They will not lose their
> > place in the material the way people would who rely on direct
> > reading.
> > 
> > Anyway I kind of enjoy hearing those messages; it lets me know
> > who is still using Windows and who has kicked the habit. :-) If
> > David boehlman and others ever figure out how to fix their
> > Outlook Express to use the same char set as Pine is using, they
> > will in effect be "passing" and we will never ever know for
> > sure!!!
> > 
> > So even if it wastes five or six seconds per email, I cannot get
> > excited about those pesky messages. If it becomes a selectable
> > feature of Pine in a future release, so that it could be turned
> > off, I will probably leave mine turned on. People ought to be
> > able to use the char set of their choosing as long as it does not
> > interfere with the content of their messages.
> > 
> > Chuck
> > 
> > 
> > Visit me now at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > The Moon is New
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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Re: pine and the char set thing

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Thomas -
You look clean as a whistle to me!
>From the pine main menu type 's' for setup, then 'c' for
configuration, then 'w' and search for 'character-set'. After you
make the entry you want (it has to be letter perfect to be
recognized) type 'e' to exit and   save changes and you are done.
Chuck

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Have I kicked the habbit yet? Lol!
> In truth I did kill Windows this week. It died during an important
> project, wouldn't reboot, so I simply blew it away, and put Linux on full
> time.
> Anyway, does anyone know how to change the default char set for Pine? Like
> some sort of mail rule?
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> > I use pine and I get to see all those char set things too, but I
> > do not mind them a lot. What happens is that pine lets you
> > configure just one char set as its "official" char set, and when
> > an arriving message uses a different one, it warns you about it.
> > Perhaps that should be elevated to a "feature" in pine that could
> > be turned on or off, but right now it is a fixed behavior.
> >
> > Users of speakup often listen to their mail "directly" - i.e.,
> > spontaneously, as it is placed on the screen. When that happens,
> > you cannot just skip ahead three or four lines to get past those
> > char set messages. What you can do is to kill the speech when
> > those messages start to appear, but then you lose your place and
> > must use review keys to go back and find what you would have
> > heard if you had just waited for the messages to be read and
> > proceed forward with the text. I think some folks do not rely on
> > the direct or spontaneous mode, but use review for everything.
> > They can easily kill a line they do not want to hear by just
> > hitting the "next line please" key. They will not lose their
> > place in the material the way people would who rely on direct
> > reading.
> >
> > Anyway I kind of enjoy hearing those messages; it lets me know
> > who is still using Windows and who has kicked the habit. :-) If
> > David boehlman and others ever figure out how to fix their
> > Outlook Express to use the same char set as Pine is using, they
> > will in effect be "passing" and we will never ever know for
> > sure!!!
> >
> > So even if it wastes five or six seconds per email, I cannot get
> > excited about those pesky messages. If it becomes a selectable
> > feature of Pine in a future release, so that it could be turned
> > off, I will probably leave mine turned on. People ought to be
> > able to use the char set of their choosing as long as it does not
> > interfere with the content of their messages.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > Visit me now at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > The Moon is New
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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