RE: two steps forward one step back

RE: two steps forward one step back

[Dawes, Stephen]

Why won't dosemu help you with "CheckFree".  I know that Gene Collins
has used dosemu successfully in the past.  

As for the scanner, wouldn't a pci scsi card resolve the problem?  

Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 




-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@mhonline.net]
Sent: 2001 December 11 7:45 AM
To: Speakup Distribution List
Subject: two steps forward one step back


I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I
lost
a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware
rather
than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at
1400
MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
previously using.

That is the good news.

The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to
switch
to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no
error
messages left on the screen.

The reason I have preserved a DOS partiti9on is to support two legacy
apps
I have relied on. One is the Arkenstone Openbook software which runs
under
Windows 3.11. The ISA slot on the old system supported a scanner
interface
card for this ancient Scanjet Plus flat bed scanner, so without that
card
and without DOS/Win3.11, I guess I kiss Arkenstone goodbye.

The other legacy app is an old DOS version of "CheckFree" with which I
pay
my bills electronically. So I guess I kiss my bill paying goodbye.

I will probably move the Scanjet card and Arke;nstone software to an old
486SX which will also run the CheckFree program too, so all is not as
bleak as I made out. However, it seems too bad to ask a 486SX to do OCR
when a perfectly good Athlon XP 1600+ is spinning its wheels on email
and
web browsing trivia.

The only thing I can think to do is collar someone to help me sort
through
the menus of the CMOS setup program on my new system to see if there are
some settings that might sabotage my DOS. If anyone knows what I might
look for on the setup menus I would appreciate some suggestions.

Ain't computers fun?

Chuck


Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)


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RE: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.

Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
to wait until after the holiday bills come in.

Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Gregory Nowak]

Chuck, thoes cards
are still SCSI cards even thoeugh they
have one port that looks like a parallel port.
Greg


On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> 
> Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Maybe so. I will have to look into that further. I cannot remember exactly
when I got this thig, but it was in the late 1980s when the Arkenstone
system included a CPU on an expansion card and required a Dectalk internal
for speech. I guess the only thing it required from the host computer was
the power supply and the cabinet to keep the flies off of it. When the
Arkenstone moved over to software OCR  I just kept the old scanner and
used their proprietary interface card. The model is "Scanjet Plus", and it
has given me my moneys worth over the last 12-15 years.

I have not yet played with DOSEMU but it looks like now is the time.


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Chuck, thoes cards
> are still SCSI cards even thoeugh they
> have one port that looks like a parallel port.
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> > to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> >
> > Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> > proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> > connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> > probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> > just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> > to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Gary Drennan]

Hi Charles!

Be careful about DOSemu since I don't think Speakup will work with it. 

Gary

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Kerry Hoath]

The 2+ has a 25-pin port on the interface card but
you can get cables that go from whatever to 25-pin. Does t he scanner have 25-pin female
on the back of it? I have seen cables that go from centronics
to 25-pin no worries in fact I have one hear for my HP 3P.

Regards, Kerry.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> 
> Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

The interface card has a 25 pin female socket and the scanner has a
Centronics connector. I can use the original connecting cable
interchangeably with a standard printer cable. The interface card has an
I/O address which makes it appear like lpt2 (or lp1) to the OS, and in DOS
there is a memory mapped region just above video memory that needs to be
shielded from reassignment by emm386.
 On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath
wrote:

> The 2+ has a 25-pin port on the interface card but
> you can get cables that go from whatever to 25-pin. Does t he scanner have 25-pin female
> on the back of it? I have seen cables that go from centronics
> to 25-pin no worries in fact I have one hear for my HP 3P.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> > to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> >
> > Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> > proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> > connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> > probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> > just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> > to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>

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The Moon is Waning Crescent (11% of Full)

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Ryan Mann]

Speakup will work with Dosemu just about as well as any other Linux
program.  I've used it before.


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Gary Drennan wrote:

> Hi Charles!
>
> Be careful about DOSemu since I don't think Speakup will work with it.
>
> Gary
>
>
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Kerry Hoath]

Looks like a memory mapped NCR53c580 or similar.
Look at the hp website if you want to run the scanner in a modern environment.

Regards, Kerry.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:13:18PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> The interface card has a 25 pin female socket and the scanner has a
> Centronics connector. I can use the original connecting cable
> interchangeably with a standard printer cable. The interface card has an
> I/O address which makes it appear like lpt2 (or lp1) to the OS, and in DOS
> there is a memory mapped region just above video memory that needs to be
> shielded from reassignment by emm386.
>  On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath
> wrote:
> 
> > The 2+ has a 25-pin port on the interface card but
> > you can get cables that go from whatever to 25-pin. Does t he scanner have 25-pin female
> > on the back of it? I have seen cables that go from centronics
> > to 25-pin no worries in fact I have one hear for my HP 3P.
> >
> > Regards, Kerry.
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> > > to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> > >
> > > Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> > > proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> > > connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> > > probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> > > just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> > > to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> > >
> > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (11% of Full)
> 
> 
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Dosemu (was Re: two steps forward one step back)

[Tony Baechler]

Hello Gary and all.  I would just like to say here that I have got 
Wordperfect 5.1+ and Quicken both to work quite well under Dosemu and Linux 
with Speakup 1.0, so it is very possible.

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Thanks - I will check that out.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> Looks like a memory mapped NCR53c580 or similar.
> Look at the hp website if you want to run the scanner in a modern environment.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:13:18PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > The interface card has a 25 pin female socket and the scanner has a
> > Centronics connector. I can use the original connecting cable
> > interchangeably with a standard printer cable. The interface card has an
> > I/O address which makes it appear like lpt2 (or lp1) to the OS, and in DOS
> > there is a memory mapped region just above video memory that needs to be
> > shielded from reassignment by emm386.
> >  On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The 2+ has a 25-pin port on the interface card but
> > > you can get cables that go from whatever to 25-pin. Does t he scanner have 25-pin female
> > > on the back of it? I have seen cables that go from centronics
> > > to 25-pin no worries in fact I have one hear for my HP 3P.
> > >
> > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> > > > to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> > > >
> > > > Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> > > > proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> > > > connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> > > > probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> > > > just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> > > > to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> > > >
> > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (11% of Full)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>

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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Randy,
I am using Slackware 8.0 with kernel 2.2.19 and have had no problem
compiling  the alsa drivers version 0.9.0beta7. I have not tried compiling
aumix since the alsa drivers include their own utilities, one of which is
'amixer'. I would not worry about upgrading your kernel since that is
definitely not the problem.

HTH - Chuck



 On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:

>
>
> hi all,
> i might be the only one that has this problem,
> with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> the following aps,
> the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
>
> with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> those packages compiled with no problems.
>
> what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> should i update my kernel?
> if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> is there another version
> of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
>
> thanks in advance
> randy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[randy turner]

hi all,
i might be the only one that has this problem,
with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
the following aps,
the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.

with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
those packages compiled with no problems.

what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
should i update my kernel?
if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
is there another version
of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?

thanks in advance
randy

Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[randy turner]

hi chuck!
oh good!
that answers a lot of questions
ok it appears that 0.9.0beta9 will not compile
i have a sound blaster
so i  have to use the snd-card-sb16
i will try the beta7 and report back.
thanks
randy



On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

>
> Hi Randy,
> I am using Slackware 8.0 with kernel 2.2.19 and have had no problem
> compiling  the alsa drivers version 0.9.0beta7. I have not tried compiling
> aumix since the alsa drivers include their own utilities, one of which is
> 'amixer'. I would not worry about upgrading your kernel since that is
> definitely not the problem.
>
> HTH - Chuck
>
>
>
>  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > hi all,
> > i might be the only one that has this problem,
> > with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> > the following aps,
> > the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
> >
> > with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> > those packages compiled with no problems.
> >
> > what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> > should i update my kernel?
> > if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> > is there another version
> > of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is New
>
>
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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Gregory Nowak]

I'm running kernel 2.4.16 right now,
and speakup 1.00 patched into it with no problems.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 06:24:16AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> 
> 
> hi all,
> i might be the only one that has this problem,
> with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> the following aps,
> the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
> 
> with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> those packages compiled with no problems.
> 
> what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> should i update my kernel?
> if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> is there another version
> of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
> 
> thanks in advance
> randy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[randy turner]

hi chuck,
it was odd!
that version of the alsa driver worked fine
but beta9 does not, interesting!
in my case i had to turn off isapnp for it to work for me
because i don't have a plug and play sound card.
i did have to choose cards=sb16
because the --debug-detect has errors.

thanks again
randy




On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

>
> Hi Randy,
> I am using Slackware 8.0 with kernel 2.2.19 and have had no problem
> compiling  the alsa drivers version 0.9.0beta7. I have not tried compiling
> aumix since the alsa drivers include their own utilities, one of which is
> 'amixer'. I would not worry about upgrading your kernel since that is
> definitely not the problem.
>
> HTH - Chuck
>
>
>
>  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > hi all,
> > i might be the only one that has this problem,
> > with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> > the following aps,
> > the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
> >
> > with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> > those packages compiled with no problems.
> >
> > what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> > should i update my kernel?
> > if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> > is there another version
> > of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is New
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Lesson #37: Always wait for someone else to upgrade first! <smile>

I expect there are not too many people left who still use the SB16 card
any more. I am glad you got it working.

Chuck



On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:

>
>
> hi chuck,
> it was odd!
> that version of the alsa driver worked fine
> but beta9 does not, interesting!
> in my case i had to turn off isapnp for it to work for me
> because i don't have a plug and play sound card.
> i did have to choose cards=sb16
> because the --debug-detect has errors.
>
> thanks again
> randy
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> > I am using Slackware 8.0 with kernel 2.2.19 and have had no problem
> > compiling  the alsa drivers version 0.9.0beta7. I have not tried compiling
> > aumix since the alsa drivers include their own utilities, one of which is
> > 'amixer'. I would not worry about upgrading your kernel since that is
> > definitely not the problem.
> >
> > HTH - Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > hi all,
> > > i might be the only one that has this problem,
> > > with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> > > the following aps,
> > > the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
> > >
> > > with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> > > those packages compiled with no problems.
> > >
> > > what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> > > should i update my kernel?
> > > if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> > > is there another version
> > > of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
> > >
> > > thanks in advance
> > > randy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is New
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Actually, there's still a few of us about.  I still use one, and I think
Frank does too.

Geoff.

Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Thomas Ward]

Yeah, I still have a SB 16 in my old computer I don't use much. In my new
computer I am using a Creative SB Live, but there are still some of us who
use SB16's on the older machines that can't run anything but Linux.


----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Shang <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19


> Hi:
>
> Actually, there's still a few of us about.  I still use one, and I think
> Frank does too.
>
> Geoff.
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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Gregory Nowak]

Or DOS.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 10:48:19AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Yeah, I still have a SB 16 in my old computer I don't use much. In my new
> computer I am using a Creative SB Live, but there are still some of us who
> use SB16's on the older machines that can't run anything but Linux.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 6:58 AM
> Subject: Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19
> 
> 
> > Hi:
> >
> > Actually, there's still a few of us about.  I still use one, and I think
> > Frank does too.
> >
> > Geoff.
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Jason Symes]

I'm not vary familiar with cmos settings, but I'm vary familiar with Open
Book and the scanners it supports. A SCSI or usb scanner would be a good
upgrade, and most scsi and usb scanners work with open book perfectly fine.
Unfortunately, the newer hp scanners however are by no means supported by
open book, and I'd steer clear from them. I bought a brand-new 5300c
scanner from them, not knowing open book was uncompatible, and the thing
only lasted six scans before it gave up the ghost, and the ocr software hp
provided was garbage compared to open book. That's what you call quality!

At 09:45 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
>accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
>a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
>catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
>than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
>MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
>previously using.
>
>That is the good news.
>
>The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
>does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
>system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
>to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
>through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
>messages left on the screen.
>
>The reason I have preserved a DOS partiti9on is to support two legacy apps
>I have relied on. One is the Arkenstone Openbook software which runs under
>Windows 3.11. The ISA slot on the old system supported a scanner interface
>card for this ancient Scanjet Plus flat bed scanner, so without that card
>and without DOS/Win3.11, I guess I kiss Arkenstone goodbye.
>
>The other legacy app is an old DOS version of "CheckFree" with which I pay
>my bills electronically. So I guess I kiss my bill paying goodbye.
>
>I will probably move the Scanjet card and Arke;nstone software to an old
>486SX which will also run the CheckFree program too, so all is not as
>bleak as I made out. However, it seems too bad to ask a 486SX to do OCR
>when a perfectly good Athlon XP 1600+ is spinning its wheels on email and
>web browsing trivia.
>
>The only thing I can think to do is collar someone to help me sort through
>the menus of the CMOS setup program on my new system to see if there are
>some settings that might sabotage my DOS. If anyone knows what I might
>look for on the setup menus I would appreciate some suggestions.
>
>Ain't computers fun?
>
>Chuck
>
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

No soap. I tried that but got the same hangup at the same place. I had to
shut off the power switch and then start the system from that position and
it booted up fine. You are right, I have no pcmcia devices here. I will
next try recompiling the kernel with pcmcia deselected, and while I am at
it I will look over other choices to see if something might now be
inappropriate. It boots fine from a totally powered off state, but not
from loadlin in DOS or after a "logical" shutdown and "halt" from an
earlier Linux run. Damndest thing.

 On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> If you don't have pcmcia, which it doesn't sound like you do,
> make /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia nonexecutable.
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:41:54PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tony -
> > I just spent some time with a sighted friend slogging through the setup
> > program menus and have made some progress here. First of all the boot
> > sequence needed to be fixed. Now I can boot from a floppy okay.
> >
> > Second, when DOS failed, the error message was from the memory manager
> > about a faulty device driver. Since I could now run DOS from a floppy I
> > simply remarked out the line that loaded my scanner interface card and
> > deleted the "exclude" phrase on the memory manager line. Now I can boot
> > into DOS on the HD just fine too.
> >
> > I took the "auto" off the IRQ referring to my external modem serial port
> > and selected the "EISA/ISA" choice, but the modem already worked okay
> > anyway with "auto" there. It still works okay.
> >
> > But I still have a problem sometimes when booting my Linux system. It
> > always boots up okay from a power off condition. And it also boots up okay
> > if I do a "shutdown -r" command as root. But it will not load correctly if
> > I do a "shutdown -h" as root and then hit the reset button (or do
> > alt-ctrl-del) to try booting back up. And I get the same failure when
> > running loadlin from DOS. Both these failures are new - they worked fine
> > before the CPU upgrade, and there have been no software changes or HD
> > modifications that could account for them.
> >
> > The failures always occur at the same place - just after the lines that
> > show several components of PPP being registered, and immediately prior to
> > a line referencing PCMCIA. At least when it DOES run to completion, the
> > PCMCIA line follows the PPP lines in the bootup message sequence.
> >
> > I am convinced there must still be something to change in the setup
> > program, but I have not the foggiest clue as to what it might be.
> >
> > When the boot failures occur, there is no speech, no keyboard entries are
> > possible, and no error messages appear on the screen. The hard reset
> > button still works, and when it next boots properly there is no forced
> > disk check resulting from the hanging condition.
> >
> > But at least my DOS works and I can pay my bills, even if I cannot put
> > this powerhouse to work on the scanner.
> >
> > Thanks for all your suggestions.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tony Baechler wrote:
> >
> > > Hi.  You could try making sure plug and play is off in BIOS.  This might
> > > read something like "plug and play OS support" or something.  You might
> > > also make sure that the serial port assignments are not set to
> > > "auto."  Just manually set them to the correct IRQ and set the BIOS to
> > > manual so it does not change them.  Good luck.
> > >
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Gregory Nowak]

If you don't have pcmcia, which it doesn't sound like you do,
make /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia nonexecutable.
Greg


On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:41:54PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony -
> I just spent some time with a sighted friend slogging through the setup
> program menus and have made some progress here. First of all the boot
> sequence needed to be fixed. Now I can boot from a floppy okay.
> 
> Second, when DOS failed, the error message was from the memory manager
> about a faulty device driver. Since I could now run DOS from a floppy I
> simply remarked out the line that loaded my scanner interface card and
> deleted the "exclude" phrase on the memory manager line. Now I can boot
> into DOS on the HD just fine too.
> 
> I took the "auto" off the IRQ referring to my external modem serial port
> and selected the "EISA/ISA" choice, but the modem already worked okay
> anyway with "auto" there. It still works okay.
> 
> But I still have a problem sometimes when booting my Linux system. It
> always boots up okay from a power off condition. And it also boots up okay
> if I do a "shutdown -r" command as root. But it will not load correctly if
> I do a "shutdown -h" as root and then hit the reset button (or do
> alt-ctrl-del) to try booting back up. And I get the same failure when
> running loadlin from DOS. Both these failures are new - they worked fine
> before the CPU upgrade, and there have been no software changes or HD
> modifications that could account for them.
> 
> The failures always occur at the same place - just after the lines that
> show several components of PPP being registered, and immediately prior to
> a line referencing PCMCIA. At least when it DOES run to completion, the
> PCMCIA line follows the PPP lines in the bootup message sequence.
> 
> I am convinced there must still be something to change in the setup
> program, but I have not the foggiest clue as to what it might be.
> 
> When the boot failures occur, there is no speech, no keyboard entries are
> possible, and no error messages appear on the screen. The hard reset
> button still works, and when it next boots properly there is no forced
> disk check resulting from the hanging condition.
> 
> But at least my DOS works and I can pay my bills, even if I cannot put
> this powerhouse to work on the scanner.
> 
> Thanks for all your suggestions.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tony Baechler wrote:
> 
> > Hi.  You could try making sure plug and play is off in BIOS.  This might
> > read something like "plug and play OS support" or something.  You might
> > also make sure that the serial port assignments are not set to
> > "auto."  Just manually set them to the correct IRQ and set the BIOS to
> > manual so it does not change them.  Good luck.
> >
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Amanda -
Nope, no winblows here. It turns out I had two problems - the people who
put my new motherboard and processor in for me left me with an
inconvenient boot sequence, so I could not boot from a floppy, and my DOS
installation was trying to load a driver for a card that had been pulled;
the driver went ballistic and caused a general protection error. I fixed
it by repairing my boot sequence, booting DOS from a floppy, and remarking
out the driver line in config.sys. My system is a dual boot DOS+Linux
system.
Chuck



On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Amanda Lee wrote:

> Sorry if this is out of synch! still catching up after the hackers!
>
> If it's a WindBlows Me system, there are patches to enable Real Mode Dos
> so you can boot to dos.  I applied them and does allow you to boot to dos
> but now I have to manually issue a win to boot into WindBlows ME.  I need
> to look at the msdos.sys to see if windblows boot is off and other
> annoyance is it makes this wakeup your bedpartner loud beep! when it
> starts and I could do without that even though I don't sleep with my
> computer! ha!  Otherwise, it works if this what you're looking for.
>
> Amanda
>
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John Covici wrote:
>
> > I have a similar system -- no isa slot, but I can run DOS just fine --
> > although its not Windows 3.1.  You probably should get another scanner
> > and you'd be ok with any SCSI or USB one which is supported by
> > whatever operating system you would like.  The ocr is also much
> > better.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
> > > accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
> > > a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
> > > catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
> > > than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
> > > MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
> > > previously using.
> > >
> > > That is the good news.
> > >
> > > The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
> > > does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
> > > system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
> > > to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
> > > through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
> > > messages left on the screen.
> >
> > --
> >          John Covici
> >          covici@ccs.covici.com
> >
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Amanda Lee]

Sorry if this is out of synch! still catching up after the hackers!

If it's a WindBlows Me system, there are patches to enable Real Mode Dos
so you can boot to dos.  I applied them and does allow you to boot to dos
but now I have to manually issue a win to boot into WindBlows ME.  I need
to look at the msdos.sys to see if windblows boot is off and other
annoyance is it makes this wakeup your bedpartner loud beep! when it
starts and I could do without that even though I don't sleep with my
computer! ha!  Otherwise, it works if this what you're looking for.

Amanda



On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John Covici wrote:

> I have a similar system -- no isa slot, but I can run DOS just fine --
> although its not Windows 3.1.  You probably should get another scanner
> and you'd be ok with any SCSI or USB one which is supported by
> whatever operating system you would like.  The ocr is also much
> better.
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> > I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
> > accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
> > a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
> > catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
> > than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
> > MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
> > previously using.
> >
> > That is the good news.
> >
> > The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
> > does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
> > system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
> > to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
> > through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
> > messages left on the screen.
>
> --
>          John Covici
>          covici@ccs.covici.com
>
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RE: two steps forward one step back

[Dawes, Stephen]

If you are not using PCMCIA, then I would suggest recompiling the kernel
without PCMCIA support included in it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@mhonline.net]
Sent: 2001 December 12 12:42 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: two steps forward one step back



Hi Tony -
I just spent some time with a sighted friend slogging through the setup
program menus and have made some progress here. First of all the boot
sequence needed to be fixed. Now I can boot from a floppy okay.

Second, when DOS failed, the error message was from the memory manager
about a faulty device driver. Since I could now run DOS from a floppy I
simply remarked out the line that loaded my scanner interface card and
deleted the "exclude" phrase on the memory manager line. Now I can boot
into DOS on the HD just fine too.

I took the "auto" off the IRQ referring to my external modem serial port
and selected the "EISA/ISA" choice, but the modem already worked okay
anyway with "auto" there. It still works okay.

But I still have a problem sometimes when booting my Linux system. It
always boots up okay from a power off condition. And it also boots up
okay
if I do a "shutdown -r" command as root. But it will not load correctly
if
I do a "shutdown -h" as root and then hit the reset button (or do
alt-ctrl-del) to try booting back up. And I get the same failure when
running loadlin from DOS. Both these failures are new - they worked fine
before the CPU upgrade, and there have been no software changes or HD
modifications that could account for them.

The failures always occur at the same place - just after the lines that
show several components of PPP being registered, and immediately prior
to
a line referencing PCMCIA. At least when it DOES run to completion, the
PCMCIA line follows the PPP lines in the bootup message sequence.

I am convinced there must still be something to change in the setup
program, but I have not the foggiest clue as to what it might be.

When the boot failures occur, there is no speech, no keyboard entries
are
possible, and no error messages appear on the screen. The hard reset
button still works, and when it next boots properly there is no forced
disk check resulting from the hanging condition.

But at least my DOS works and I can pay my bills, even if I cannot put
this powerhouse to work on the scanner.

Thanks for all your suggestions.

Chuck


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Hi.  You could try making sure plug and play is off in BIOS.  This
might
> read something like "plug and play OS support" or something.  You
might
> also make sure that the serial port assignments are not set to
> "auto."  Just manually set them to the correct IRQ and set the BIOS to
> manual so it does not change them.  Good luck.
>
>
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Tony -
I just spent some time with a sighted friend slogging through the setup
program menus and have made some progress here. First of all the boot
sequence needed to be fixed. Now I can boot from a floppy okay.

Second, when DOS failed, the error message was from the memory manager
about a faulty device driver. Since I could now run DOS from a floppy I
simply remarked out the line that loaded my scanner interface card and
deleted the "exclude" phrase on the memory manager line. Now I can boot
into DOS on the HD just fine too.

I took the "auto" off the IRQ referring to my external modem serial port
and selected the "EISA/ISA" choice, but the modem already worked okay
anyway with "auto" there. It still works okay.

But I still have a problem sometimes when booting my Linux system. It
always boots up okay from a power off condition. And it also boots up okay
if I do a "shutdown -r" command as root. But it will not load correctly if
I do a "shutdown -h" as root and then hit the reset button (or do
alt-ctrl-del) to try booting back up. And I get the same failure when
running loadlin from DOS. Both these failures are new - they worked fine
before the CPU upgrade, and there have been no software changes or HD
modifications that could account for them.

The failures always occur at the same place - just after the lines that
show several components of PPP being registered, and immediately prior to
a line referencing PCMCIA. At least when it DOES run to completion, the
PCMCIA line follows the PPP lines in the bootup message sequence.

I am convinced there must still be something to change in the setup
program, but I have not the foggiest clue as to what it might be.

When the boot failures occur, there is no speech, no keyboard entries are
possible, and no error messages appear on the screen. The hard reset
button still works, and when it next boots properly there is no forced
disk check resulting from the hanging condition.

But at least my DOS works and I can pay my bills, even if I cannot put
this powerhouse to work on the scanner.

Thanks for all your suggestions.

Chuck


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Hi.  You could try making sure plug and play is off in BIOS.  This might
> read something like "plug and play OS support" or something.  You might
> also make sure that the serial port assignments are not set to
> "auto."  Just manually set them to the correct IRQ and set the BIOS to
> manual so it does not change them.  Good luck.
>
>
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[David Poehlman]

just get a big hard drive and mirror your shell.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: two steps forward one step back



Kitties are wonderful! but they come with their respective natural
gifts!

I don't feel as badly after surviving a hack attack of shellworld.
HOpefully I've learned my lesson about backing things off of the shell
server! but I doubt it because I've lost mucho before now and in nearly
20
years of PC use, I will probably  never learn my lesson! hahah!

The BroadBand connection might be more of an insentive to at least
download my files once per month and then burn them onto cd.
Aww that's too much work!

Amanda




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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Amanda Lee]

Kitties are wonderful! but they come with their respective natural gifts!

I don't feel as badly after surviving a hack attack of shellworld.
HOpefully I've learned my lesson about backing things off of the shell
server! but I doubt it because I've lost mucho before now and in nearly 20
years of PC use, I will probably  never learn my lesson! hahah!

The BroadBand connection might be more of an insentive to at least
download my files once per month and then burn them onto cd.
Aww that's too much work!

Amanda

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Tony Baechler]

Hi.  You could try making sure plug and play is off in BIOS.  This might 
read something like "plug and play OS support" or something.  You might 
also make sure that the serial port assignments are not set to 
"auto."  Just manually set them to the correct IRQ and set the BIOS to 
manual so it does not change them.  Good luck.

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Gregory Nowak]

That is true.
However, older versions of openbook such as 2.0 for example
were designed specifically for win3.1x, and for use with the HP scanners
that ran off of isa SCSI cards such as Chuck's.
Greg


On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:54:08AM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> Openbook requires win9x and it helps to have a Windows screen reader
> which I seem to recall chuck not having. Openbook is also expensive.
> Although openbook is an excellent product as is kw1000 I found it was possible
> to run Textbridge or omnipage pro and they were far cheaper.
> There is Linux OCR however; OCRSHOP and it works at the console it uses
> fine-engine I believe for OCR.
> Bart Bunting is using it I seem to recall.
> 
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 09:09:27AM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> > I'm not vary familiar with cmos settings, but I'm vary familiar with Open
> > Book and the scanners it supports. A SCSI or usb scanner would be a good
> > upgrade, and most scsi and usb scanners work with open book perfectly fine.
> > Unfortunately, the newer hp scanners however are by no means supported by
> > open book, and I'd steer clear from them. I bought a brand-new 5300c
> > scanner from them, not knowing open book was uncompatible, and the thing
> > only lasted six scans before it gave up the ghost, and the ocr software hp
> > provided was garbage compared to open book. That's what you call quality!
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

The HD was not changed in the upgrade process. The first partition is
500MB for DOS, the second is a 2 GB Linux boot partition, the 3rd is swap
space, the fourth is an extended partition with several logical partitions
holding the rest of the Linux system plus some archive space. Lilo goes to
Linux after two seconds during which I used to be able to select DOS, but
not any more. Selecting DOS now reverts to running Linux again but it
hangs during the boot process. I tried reinstalling lilo but have not
played with the "compact" setting.

I am not sure what the motherboard is, but the processor is an Athlon XP
1600+; Linux reports a clock speed of 1400 MHz and 256 MB of system
memory.


On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> Have you repartitioned the disk? Remember you can't boot a dos partition
> beyond the first 2gb of drive.
> Try running lilo with -v -v -v and email me the output offlist
> and i'll take a look at it.. If you are using lilo that is.
> Also check if the compact option is set when it shouldn't or visa versa.
> Archenstone for dos was a nice program. I have Reading advantage yet to see if it can
> run in dosemu it is a true dos application.
> What sort of board did you get? I've played with a couple of the athlon boards.
>
> You might want to consider some sort of filtering to keep out the cat hair :-)
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 09:45:25AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
> > accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
> > a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
> > catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
> > than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
> > MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
> > previously using.
> >
> > That is the good news.
> >
> > The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
> > does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
> > system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
> > to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
> > through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
> > messages left on the screen.
> >
> > The reason I have preserved a DOS partiti9on is to support two legacy apps
> > I have relied on. One is the Arkenstone Openbook software which runs under
> > Windows 3.11. The ISA slot on the old system supported a scanner interface
> > card for this ancient Scanjet Plus flat bed scanner, so without that card
> > and without DOS/Win3.11, I guess I kiss Arkenstone goodbye.
> >
> > The other legacy app is an old DOS version of "CheckFree" with which I pay
> > my bills electronically. So I guess I kiss my bill paying goodbye.
> >
> > I will probably move the Scanjet card and Arke;nstone software to an old
> > 486SX which will also run the CheckFree program too, so all is not as
> > bleak as I made out. However, it seems too bad to ask a 486SX to do OCR
> > when a perfectly good Athlon XP 1600+ is spinning its wheels on email and
> > web browsing trivia.
> >
> > The only thing I can think to do is collar someone to help me sort through
> > the menus of the CMOS setup program on my new system to see if there are
> > some settings that might sabotage my DOS. If anyone knows what I might
> > look for on the setup menus I would appreciate some suggestions.
> >
> > Ain't computers fun?
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Kerry Hoath]

Openbook requires win9x and it helps to have a Windows screen reader
which I seem to recall chuck not having. Openbook is also expensive.
Although openbook is an excellent product as is kw1000 I found it was possible
to run Textbridge or omnipage pro and they were far cheaper.
There is Linux OCR however; OCRSHOP and it works at the console it uses
fine-engine I believe for OCR.
Bart Bunting is using it I seem to recall.

Regards, Kerry.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 09:09:27AM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> I'm not vary familiar with cmos settings, but I'm vary familiar with Open
> Book and the scanners it supports. A SCSI or usb scanner would be a good
> upgrade, and most scsi and usb scanners work with open book perfectly fine.
> Unfortunately, the newer hp scanners however are by no means supported by
> open book, and I'd steer clear from them. I bought a brand-new 5300c
> scanner from them, not knowing open book was uncompatible, and the thing
> only lasted six scans before it gave up the ghost, and the ocr software hp
> provided was garbage compared to open book. That's what you call quality!
> 
> 

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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Kerry Hoath]

Have you repartitioned the disk? Remember you can't boot a dos partition
beyond the first 2gb of drive.
Try running lilo with -v -v -v and email me the output offlist
and i'll take a look at it.. If you are using lilo that is.
Also check if the compact option is set when it shouldn't or visa versa.
Archenstone for dos was a nice program. I have Reading advantage yet to see if it can
run in dosemu it is a true dos application.
What sort of board did you get? I've played with a couple of the athlon boards.

You might want to consider some sort of filtering to keep out the cat hair :-)

Regards, Kerry.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 09:45:25AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
> accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
> a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
> catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
> than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
> MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
> previously using.
> 
> That is the good news.
> 
> The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
> does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
> system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
> to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
> through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
> messages left on the screen.
> 
> The reason I have preserved a DOS partiti9on is to support two legacy apps
> I have relied on. One is the Arkenstone Openbook software which runs under
> Windows 3.11. The ISA slot on the old system supported a scanner interface
> card for this ancient Scanjet Plus flat bed scanner, so without that card
> and without DOS/Win3.11, I guess I kiss Arkenstone goodbye.
> 
> The other legacy app is an old DOS version of "CheckFree" with which I pay
> my bills electronically. So I guess I kiss my bill paying goodbye.
> 
> I will probably move the Scanjet card and Arke;nstone software to an old
> 486SX which will also run the CheckFree program too, so all is not as
> bleak as I made out. However, it seems too bad to ask a 486SX to do OCR
> when a perfectly good Athlon XP 1600+ is spinning its wheels on email and
> web browsing trivia.
> 
> The only thing I can think to do is collar someone to help me sort through
> the menus of the CMOS setup program on my new system to see if there are
> some settings that might sabotage my DOS. If anyone knows what I might
> look for on the setup menus I would appreciate some suggestions.
> 
> Ain't computers fun?
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> 
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Gregory Nowak]

I checked out their list of supported scanners
before getting openbook and my Visioneer onetouch8100.
That scanner is also supported by the Linux kernel,
but I'm still trying to find a SANE backend for it so that
I could try out gocr, and Kirk's scanning package.
Greg


On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 09:09:27AM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> I'm not vary familiar with cmos settings, but I'm vary familiar with Open
> Book and the scanners it supports. A SCSI or usb scanner would be a good
> upgrade, and most scsi and usb scanners work with open book perfectly fine.
> Unfortunately, the newer hp scanners however are by no means supported by
> open book, and I'd steer clear from them. I bought a brand-new 5300c
> scanner from them, not knowing open book was uncompatible, and the thing
> only lasted six scans before it gave up the ghost, and the ocr software hp
> provided was garbage compared to open book. That's what you call quality!
> 
> At 09:45 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
> >accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
> >a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
> >catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
> >than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
> >MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
> >previously using.
> >
> >That is the good news.
> >
> >The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
> >does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
> >system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
> >to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
> >through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
> >messages left on the screen.
> >
> >The reason I have preserved a DOS partiti9on is to support two legacy apps
> >I have relied on. One is the Arkenstone Openbook software which runs under
> >Windows 3.11. The ISA slot on the old system supported a scanner interface
> >card for this ancient Scanjet Plus flat bed scanner, so without that card
> >and without DOS/Win3.11, I guess I kiss Arkenstone goodbye.
> >
> >The other legacy app is an old DOS version of "CheckFree" with which I pay
> >my bills electronically. So I guess I kiss my bill paying goodbye.
> >
> >I will probably move the Scanjet card and Arke;nstone software to an old
> >486SX which will also run the CheckFree program too, so all is not as
> >bleak as I made out. However, it seems too bad to ask a 486SX to do OCR
> >when a perfectly good Athlon XP 1600+ is spinning its wheels on email and
> >web browsing trivia.
> >
> >The only thing I can think to do is collar someone to help me sort through
> >the menus of the CMOS setup program on my new system to see if there are
> >some settings that might sabotage my DOS. If anyone knows what I might
> >look for on the setup menus I would appreciate some suggestions.
> >
> >Ain't computers fun?
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >
> >Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> >The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> >
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi Chuck,

Owch, and congrads on your new system.
Unfortunately, as someone once put it recently,
the isa bus and the serial port are going the way of the Univac.
Having said that, if you're willing to spend some extra money,
I would see if there is an equivalent SCSI card for your scanner that will fit into the pci bus.

As for running DOS, why don't you run dosemu instead?
Greg


On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 09:45:25AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
> accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
> a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
> catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
> than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
> MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
> previously using.
> 
> That is the good news.
> 
> The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
> does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
> system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
> to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
> through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
> messages left on the screen.
> 
> The reason I have preserved a DOS partiti9on is to support two legacy apps
> I have relied on. One is the Arkenstone Openbook software which runs under
> Windows 3.11. The ISA slot on the old system supported a scanner interface
> card for this ancient Scanjet Plus flat bed scanner, so without that card
> and without DOS/Win3.11, I guess I kiss Arkenstone goodbye.
> 
> The other legacy app is an old DOS version of "CheckFree" with which I pay
> my bills electronically. So I guess I kiss my bill paying goodbye.
> 
> I will probably move the Scanjet card and Arke;nstone software to an old
> 486SX which will also run the CheckFree program too, so all is not as
> bleak as I made out. However, it seems too bad to ask a 486SX to do OCR
> when a perfectly good Athlon XP 1600+ is spinning its wheels on email and
> web browsing trivia.
> 
> The only thing I can think to do is collar someone to help me sort through
> the menus of the CMOS setup program on my new system to see if there are
> some settings that might sabotage my DOS. If anyone knows what I might
> look for on the setup menus I would appreciate some suggestions.
> 
> Ain't computers fun?
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> 
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[John Covici]

I have a similar system -- no isa slot, but I can run DOS just fine --
although its not Windows 3.1.  You probably should get another scanner
and you'd be ok with any SCSI or USB one which is supported by
whatever operating system you would like.  The ocr is also much
better.


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
> accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
> a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
> catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
> than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
> MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
> previously using.
>
> That is the good news.
>
> The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
> does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
> system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
> to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
> through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
> messages left on the screen.

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         covici@ccs.covici.com

two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I lost
a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware rather
than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at 1400
MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
previously using.

That is the good news.

The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to switch
to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no error
messages left on the screen.

The reason I have preserved a DOS partiti9on is to support two legacy apps
I have relied on. One is the Arkenstone Openbook software which runs under
Windows 3.11. The ISA slot on the old system supported a scanner interface
card for this ancient Scanjet Plus flat bed scanner, so without that card
and without DOS/Win3.11, I guess I kiss Arkenstone goodbye.

The other legacy app is an old DOS version of "CheckFree" with which I pay
my bills electronically. So I guess I kiss my bill paying goodbye.

I will probably move the Scanjet card and Arke;nstone software to an old
486SX which will also run the CheckFree program too, so all is not as
bleak as I made out. However, it seems too bad to ask a 486SX to do OCR
when a perfectly good Athlon XP 1600+ is spinning its wheels on email and
web browsing trivia.

The only thing I can think to do is collar someone to help me sort through
the menus of the CMOS setup program on my new system to see if there are
some settings that might sabotage my DOS. If anyone knows what I might
look for on the setup menus I would appreciate some suggestions.

Ain't computers fun?

Chuck


Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)