RE: two steps forward one step back

RE: two steps forward one step back

[Dawes, Stephen]

Why won't dosemu help you with "CheckFree".  I know that Gene Collins
has used dosemu successfully in the past.  

As for the scanner, wouldn't a pci scsi card resolve the problem?  

Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 




-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@mhonline.net]
Sent: 2001 December 11 7:45 AM
To: Speakup Distribution List
Subject: two steps forward one step back


I am recovering from a catastrophic failure here, caused by an
accumulation of cat hair in my fans and a runaway heating problem. I
lost
a power supply, a processor, and a motherboard. On the theory that every
catastrophe is just a disguised opportunity, I upgraded my hardware
rather
than simply replacing it. I am now running an AMD Athlon processor at
1400
MHz with 256 MB ram instead of the 600 MHz Athlon with 64 MB ram I was
previously using.

That is the good news.

The bad news is - while the old motherboard had an ISA slot, the new one
does not. And while the old system ran DOS on a small partition, the new
system will not run DOS. Attempting to run DOS causes the loader to
switch
to rerunning Linux, but when that happens Linux hangs up when about 90%
through the boot process with no speech, no keyboard control, and no
error
messages left on the screen.

The reason I have preserved a DOS partiti9on is to support two legacy
apps
I have relied on. One is the Arkenstone Openbook software which runs
under
Windows 3.11. The ISA slot on the old system supported a scanner
interface
card for this ancient Scanjet Plus flat bed scanner, so without that
card
and without DOS/Win3.11, I guess I kiss Arkenstone goodbye.

The other legacy app is an old DOS version of "CheckFree" with which I
pay
my bills electronically. So I guess I kiss my bill paying goodbye.

I will probably move the Scanjet card and Arke;nstone software to an old
486SX which will also run the CheckFree program too, so all is not as
bleak as I made out. However, it seems too bad to ask a 486SX to do OCR
when a perfectly good Athlon XP 1600+ is spinning its wheels on email
and
web browsing trivia.

The only thing I can think to do is collar someone to help me sort
through
the menus of the CMOS setup program on my new system to see if there are
some settings that might sabotage my DOS. If anyone knows what I might
look for on the setup menus I would appreciate some suggestions.

Ain't computers fun?

Chuck


Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)


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RE: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.

Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
to wait until after the holiday bills come in.

Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Gregory Nowak]

Chuck, thoes cards
are still SCSI cards even thoeugh they
have one port that looks like a parallel port.
Greg


On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> 
> Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Maybe so. I will have to look into that further. I cannot remember exactly
when I got this thig, but it was in the late 1980s when the Arkenstone
system included a CPU on an expansion card and required a Dectalk internal
for speech. I guess the only thing it required from the host computer was
the power supply and the cabinet to keep the flies off of it. When the
Arkenstone moved over to software OCR  I just kept the old scanner and
used their proprietary interface card. The model is "Scanjet Plus", and it
has given me my moneys worth over the last 12-15 years.

I have not yet played with DOSEMU but it looks like now is the time.


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Chuck, thoes cards
> are still SCSI cards even thoeugh they
> have one port that looks like a parallel port.
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> > to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> >
> > Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> > proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> > connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> > probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> > just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> > to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Gary Drennan]

Hi Charles!

Be careful about DOSemu since I don't think Speakup will work with it. 

Gary

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Kerry Hoath]

The 2+ has a 25-pin port on the interface card but
you can get cables that go from whatever to 25-pin. Does t he scanner have 25-pin female
on the back of it? I have seen cables that go from centronics
to 25-pin no worries in fact I have one hear for my HP 3P.

Regards, Kerry.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> 
> Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

The interface card has a 25 pin female socket and the scanner has a
Centronics connector. I can use the original connecting cable
interchangeably with a standard printer cable. The interface card has an
I/O address which makes it appear like lpt2 (or lp1) to the OS, and in DOS
there is a memory mapped region just above video memory that needs to be
shielded from reassignment by emm386.
 On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath
wrote:

> The 2+ has a 25-pin port on the interface card but
> you can get cables that go from whatever to 25-pin. Does t he scanner have 25-pin female
> on the back of it? I have seen cables that go from centronics
> to 25-pin no worries in fact I have one hear for my HP 3P.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> > to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> >
> > Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> > proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> > connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> > probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> > just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> > to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>

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The Moon is Waning Crescent (11% of Full)

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Ryan Mann]

Speakup will work with Dosemu just about as well as any other Linux
program.  I've used it before.


On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Gary Drennan wrote:

> Hi Charles!
>
> Be careful about DOSemu since I don't think Speakup will work with it.
>
> Gary
>
>
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Re: two steps forward one step back

[Kerry Hoath]

Looks like a memory mapped NCR53c580 or similar.
Look at the hp website if you want to run the scanner in a modern environment.

Regards, Kerry.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:13:18PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> The interface card has a 25 pin female socket and the scanner has a
> Centronics connector. I can use the original connecting cable
> interchangeably with a standard printer cable. The interface card has an
> I/O address which makes it appear like lpt2 (or lp1) to the OS, and in DOS
> there is a memory mapped region just above video memory that needs to be
> shielded from reassignment by emm386.
>  On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath
> wrote:
> 
> > The 2+ has a 25-pin port on the interface card but
> > you can get cables that go from whatever to 25-pin. Does t he scanner have 25-pin female
> > on the back of it? I have seen cables that go from centronics
> > to 25-pin no worries in fact I have one hear for my HP 3P.
> >
> > Regards, Kerry.
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> > > to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> > >
> > > Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> > > proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> > > connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> > > probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> > > just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> > > to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> > >
> > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (11% of Full)
> 
> 
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Dosemu (was Re: two steps forward one step back)

[Tony Baechler]

Hello Gary and all.  I would just like to say here that I have got 
Wordperfect 5.1+ and Quicken both to work quite well under Dosemu and Linux 
with Speakup 1.0, so it is very possible.

Re: two steps forward one step back

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Thanks - I will check that out.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> Looks like a memory mapped NCR53c580 or similar.
> Look at the hp website if you want to run the scanner in a modern environment.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:13:18PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > The interface card has a 25 pin female socket and the scanner has a
> > Centronics connector. I can use the original connecting cable
> > interchangeably with a standard printer cable. The interface card has an
> > I/O address which makes it appear like lpt2 (or lp1) to the OS, and in DOS
> > there is a memory mapped region just above video memory that needs to be
> > shielded from reassignment by emm386.
> >  On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kerry Hoath
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The 2+ has a 25-pin port on the interface card but
> > > you can get cables that go from whatever to 25-pin. Does t he scanner have 25-pin female
> > > on the back of it? I have seen cables that go from centronics
> > > to 25-pin no worries in fact I have one hear for my HP 3P.
> > >
> > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:22:14AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > I am glad to know DOS runs on your system, John - that meas there has got
> > > > to be a way for it run here, so I will pursue that angle.
> > > >
> > > > Steve - this flat bed scanner is a very old one which requires a
> > > > proprietary interface card. The card looks like a printer port, and the
> > > > connecting cable is a standard printer cable. So a PCI/SCSI card will
> > > > probably not help. I need a new scanner, and if I do that I will probably
> > > > just get on board with the Linux development efforts. But it will all have
> > > > to wait until after the holiday bills come in.
> > > >
> > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > The Moon is Waning Crescent (12% of Full)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (11% of Full)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>

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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Randy,
I am using Slackware 8.0 with kernel 2.2.19 and have had no problem
compiling  the alsa drivers version 0.9.0beta7. I have not tried compiling
aumix since the alsa drivers include their own utilities, one of which is
'amixer'. I would not worry about upgrading your kernel since that is
definitely not the problem.

HTH - Chuck



 On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:

>
>
> hi all,
> i might be the only one that has this problem,
> with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> the following aps,
> the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
>
> with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> those packages compiled with no problems.
>
> what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> should i update my kernel?
> if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> is there another version
> of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
>
> thanks in advance
> randy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[randy turner]

hi all,
i might be the only one that has this problem,
with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
the following aps,
the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.

with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
those packages compiled with no problems.

what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
should i update my kernel?
if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
is there another version
of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?

thanks in advance
randy

Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[randy turner]

hi chuck!
oh good!
that answers a lot of questions
ok it appears that 0.9.0beta9 will not compile
i have a sound blaster
so i  have to use the snd-card-sb16
i will try the beta7 and report back.
thanks
randy



On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

>
> Hi Randy,
> I am using Slackware 8.0 with kernel 2.2.19 and have had no problem
> compiling  the alsa drivers version 0.9.0beta7. I have not tried compiling
> aumix since the alsa drivers include their own utilities, one of which is
> 'amixer'. I would not worry about upgrading your kernel since that is
> definitely not the problem.
>
> HTH - Chuck
>
>
>
>  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > hi all,
> > i might be the only one that has this problem,
> > with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> > the following aps,
> > the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
> >
> > with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> > those packages compiled with no problems.
> >
> > what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> > should i update my kernel?
> > if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> > is there another version
> > of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is New
>
>
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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Gregory Nowak]

I'm running kernel 2.4.16 right now,
and speakup 1.00 patched into it with no problems.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 06:24:16AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> 
> 
> hi all,
> i might be the only one that has this problem,
> with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> the following aps,
> the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
> 
> with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> those packages compiled with no problems.
> 
> what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> should i update my kernel?
> if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> is there another version
> of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
> 
> thanks in advance
> randy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[randy turner]

hi chuck,
it was odd!
that version of the alsa driver worked fine
but beta9 does not, interesting!
in my case i had to turn off isapnp for it to work for me
because i don't have a plug and play sound card.
i did have to choose cards=sb16
because the --debug-detect has errors.

thanks again
randy




On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

>
> Hi Randy,
> I am using Slackware 8.0 with kernel 2.2.19 and have had no problem
> compiling  the alsa drivers version 0.9.0beta7. I have not tried compiling
> aumix since the alsa drivers include their own utilities, one of which is
> 'amixer'. I would not worry about upgrading your kernel since that is
> definitely not the problem.
>
> HTH - Chuck
>
>
>
>  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > hi all,
> > i might be the only one that has this problem,
> > with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> > the following aps,
> > the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
> >
> > with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> > those packages compiled with no problems.
> >
> > what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> > should i update my kernel?
> > if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> > is there another version
> > of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is New
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Lesson #37: Always wait for someone else to upgrade first! <smile>

I expect there are not too many people left who still use the SB16 card
any more. I am glad you got it working.

Chuck



On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:

>
>
> hi chuck,
> it was odd!
> that version of the alsa driver worked fine
> but beta9 does not, interesting!
> in my case i had to turn off isapnp for it to work for me
> because i don't have a plug and play sound card.
> i did have to choose cards=sb16
> because the --debug-detect has errors.
>
> thanks again
> randy
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> > I am using Slackware 8.0 with kernel 2.2.19 and have had no problem
> > compiling  the alsa drivers version 0.9.0beta7. I have not tried compiling
> > aumix since the alsa drivers include their own utilities, one of which is
> > 'amixer'. I would not worry about upgrading your kernel since that is
> > definitely not the problem.
> >
> > HTH - Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, randy turner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > hi all,
> > > i might be the only one that has this problem,
> > > with the 2.2.19 kernel i am unable to compile
> > > the following aps,
> > > the aumixer package and the alsa driver package.
> > >
> > > with slackware 7.1 and kernel 2.2.16
> > > those packages compiled with no problems.
> > >
> > > what is the best thing that i can do for this situation?
> > > should i update my kernel?
> > > if so will speakup patch to kernels higher than 2.2.19
> > > is there another version
> > > of the alsa drivers that will work on the 2.2.19 kernel?
> > >
> > > thanks in advance
> > > randy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is New
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Actually, there's still a few of us about.  I still use one, and I think
Frank does too.

Geoff.

Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Thomas Ward]

Yeah, I still have a SB 16 in my old computer I don't use much. In my new
computer I am using a Creative SB Live, but there are still some of us who
use SB16's on the older machines that can't run anything but Linux.


----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Shang <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19


> Hi:
>
> Actually, there's still a few of us about.  I still use one, and I think
> Frank does too.
>
> Geoff.
>
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Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19

[Gregory Nowak]

Or DOS.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 10:48:19AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Yeah, I still have a SB 16 in my old computer I don't use much. In my new
> computer I am using a Creative SB Live, but there are still some of us who
> use SB16's on the older machines that can't run anything but Linux.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Geoff Shang <gshang@uq.net.au>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 6:58 AM
> Subject: Re: slackware 8.0 and kernel 2.2.19
> 
> 
> > Hi:
> >
> > Actually, there's still a few of us about.  I still use one, and I think
> > Frank does too.
> >
> > Geoff.
> >
> >
> >
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