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@ Whitley GS11 Cecil H
` Janina Sajka
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Whitley GS11 Cecil H @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Hi,
I just joined the list today. In reviewing the last month I noticed this
thread. I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution. It works
well for me. I am running nt 4.0 with jaws.
On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box
running squid. It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy
goes in the dustbin. I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't
installed it yet. My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or
laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning. Since I
run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there,
but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention
pcmcia.
Why redhat? That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you
call in hardware issues.
The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares! Okay, so that's
a dos-ism..... I'll get over it. For ya'll whom are running redhat, is
2.4.3-12 advisable?
Regards,
Cecil
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread* RE: strange question strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H @ ` Janina Sajka ` console apps Kirk Wood ` strange question William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 ` strange question Amanda Lee 2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' Hi, Cecil, and welcome to the speakup list. I think we can tell already you'll be an asset here! <grin> I would agree with you about the SSH clients available in Cygwin, but I just don't know that it's all that valuable to install such a large footprint for just a tiny component. And, once installed, it's still only a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package goes both ways--command line and gui. As to compiling kernels, fear not. In fact, I think I can put you at ease about kernels very easily. Are you aware that you can have several kernels waiting at the ready when you boot? You can choose one one time, and a different one another time. So, the magic trick with kernels is to get one working more or less as you need. Thereafter, as long as you take care not to trash that one, you can simply add without penalty. It's really quite cool. Also, another way to think of custom kernels is to see them as a customized sports car. The stock distribution gives you a stock sedan. When you customize, you get to tweak your performance. Also quite cool. Again, welcome. On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Whitley GS11 Cecil H wrote: > Hi, > I just joined the list today. In reviewing the last month I noticed this > thread. I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution. It works > well for me. I am running nt 4.0 with jaws. > On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box > running squid. It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy > goes in the dustbin. I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't > installed it yet. My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or > laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning. Since I > run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there, > but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention > pcmcia. > Why redhat? That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you > call in hardware issues. > The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares! Okay, so that's > a dos-ism..... I'll get over it. For ya'll whom are running redhat, is > 2.4.3-12 advisable? > Regards, > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* console apps ` Janina Sajka @ ` Kirk Wood ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > ..... And, once installed, it's still only > a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC > Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package > goes both ways--command line and gui. Well, now I have to say that I fail to understand. I mean really, what does a gui add to ssh? And along those lines, I will say (quite emphatically) that I much prefer the console telnet in WinNT over the gui applet in win9x. The console is better hands down every time. The only possible benefit I can see to the gui is that you don't have to type in the connection info every time. Given that you are essentially working at a console in the app, I just don't understand why a console app to do this is any big deal. I can understand the value of gui with ftp though. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: console apps ` console apps Kirk Wood @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' It's not a question of what the gui adds. Clearly, it adds nothing. Rather, it is a question of available resources on the client's computer. If they're running ME or 2000, for example, they are necessarily limited to the accessibility resources available in their gui screen readers, i.e., they don't have a choice. People with 95 or 98 may still have the necessary hardware and software to use the PC Console application. But, even there, they are increasingly not equipped for that. On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > > ..... And, once installed, it's still only > > a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC > > Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package > > goes both ways--command line and gui. > > Well, now I have to say that I fail to understand. I mean really, what > does a gui add to ssh? And along those lines, I will say (quite > emphatically) that I much prefer the console telnet in WinNT over the gui > applet in win9x. The console is better hands down every time. The only > possible benefit I can see to the gui is that you don't have to type in > the connection info every time. > > Given that you are essentially working at a console in the app, I just > don't understand why a console app to do this is any big deal. I can > understand the value of gui with ftp though. > > ======= > Kirk Wood > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." > - President George Bush > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* RE: strange question strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H ` Janina Sajka @ ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 ` Zip Speak Project Thomas Ward ` strange question Amanda Lee 2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' Hi, Cecil, My workstation is a Toshiba Tecra 8200 laptop. I made a small modification to the speakup keymap in order to make it easier on a laptop. You can find everything you need for a full talking RedHat-7.1 installation at ftp://speakup.octothorp.org/pub/redhat-7.1. If you have any questions, call or write. Calling will usually get a quicker response. HTH. Bill in Denver ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Zip Speak Project. ` strange question William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @ ` Thomas Ward 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello, list. I would like to speak with the current owner of the Zip Speak project. A friend and I have not seen much work towards a Zip Speak 8, and we have many ideas we would like to put into the project and distribute it. In other words we are thinking about creating our own distribution based on the Zip Speak project. Is there going to be a Zip Speak 8.0, or has that project sort of died? If there isn't going to be one my friend and I would be willing to work on the project ourselves. Thanks. Thomas Ward tward@bright.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* RE: strange question strange question Whitley GS11 Cecil H ` Janina Sajka ` strange question William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @ ` Amanda Lee 2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' I likewise stand behind the Shareware programs that I am using. you can try these for 30 days and I find them very accessible. qvt/Term, the telnet client does also provide an earlier version of ssh May have posted the incorrect url. It is: http://www.qpc.com (go to the products link) and you can either download or order two different products. Amanda leeSoftware Engineer Verizon Communications Arlington, VA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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