RE: strange question

RE: strange question

[Whitley GS11 Cecil H]

Hi,
I just joined the list today.  In reviewing the last month I noticed this
thread.  I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution.  It works
well for me.  I am running nt 4.0 with jaws.
On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box
running squid.  It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy
goes in the dustbin.  I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't
installed it yet.  My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or
laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning.  Since I
run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there,
but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention
pcmcia.
Why redhat?  That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you
call in hardware issues.
The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares!  Okay, so that's
a dos-ism.....   I'll get over it.  For ya'll whom are running redhat, is
2.4.3-12 advisable?  
Regards,
Cecil

RE: strange question

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Cecil, and welcome to the speakup list. I think we can tell already 
you'll be an asset here! <grin>

I would agree with you about the SSH clients available in Cygwin, but I 
just don't know that it's all that valuable to install such a large 
footprint for just a tiny component. And, once installed, it's still only 
a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC 
Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package 
goes both ways--command line and gui.

As to compiling kernels, fear not. In fact, I think I can put you at ease 
about kernels very easily. Are you aware that you can have several kernels 
waiting at the ready when you boot? You can choose one one time, and a 
different one another time.

So, the magic trick with kernels is to get one working more or less as you 
need. Thereafter, as long as you take care not to trash that one, you can 
simply add without penalty. It's really quite cool.

Also, another way to think of custom kernels is to see them as a 
customized sports car. The stock distribution gives you a stock sedan. 
When you customize, you get to tweak your performance. Also quite cool.

Again, welcome.

 On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Whitley GS11 
Cecil H wrote:

> Hi,
> I just joined the list today.  In reviewing the last month I noticed this
> thread.  I use open ssh that comes with the cygwin distribution.  It works
> well for me.  I am running nt 4.0 with jaws.
> On the unix/linux side I maintain five solaris 2.6 boxes and one rh 7.1 box
> running squid.  It will soon be two, and maybe even a third as m.s. proxy
> goes in the dustbin.  I have been very interested in speakup, but haven't
> installed it yet.  My holdup is determining which machine (desktop or
> laptop) and not wantin to o through the pain of re-partitioning.  Since I
> run NT on the desktop, i'll have to repartition in order to load it there,
> but that avoids the laptop keyboard limitation issues, not to mention
> pcmcia.
> Why redhat?  That's the flavor that dell supports on their servers when you
> call in hardware issues.
> The thought of building my own kernel gives me nightmares!  Okay, so that's
> a dos-ism.....   I'll get over it.  For ya'll whom are running redhat, is
> 2.4.3-12 advisable?  
> Regards,
> Cecil
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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RE: strange question

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

Hi, Cecil,

     My workstation is a Toshiba Tecra 8200 laptop.  I made a small 
modification to the speakup keymap in order to make it easier on a laptop.  
You can find everything you need for a full talking RedHat-7.1 
installation at ftp://speakup.octothorp.org/pub/redhat-7.1.  If you have 
any questions, call or write.  Calling will usually get a quicker 
response.



          HTH.
          Bill in Denver

console apps

[Kirk Wood]

On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> ..... And, once installed, it's still only 
> a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC 
> Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package 
> goes both ways--command line and gui.

Well, now I have to say that I fail to understand. I mean really, what
does a gui add to ssh? And along those lines, I will say (quite
emphatically) that I much prefer the console telnet in WinNT over the gui
applet in win9x. The console is better hands down every time. The only
possible benefit I can see to the gui is that you don't have to type in
the connection info every time.

Given that you are essentially working at a console in the app, I just
don't understand why a console app to do this is any big deal. I can
understand the value of gui with ftp though.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
	- President George Bush

Zip Speak Project.

[Thomas Ward]

Hello, list. I would like to speak with the current owner of the Zip Speak
project. A friend and I have not seen much work towards  a Zip Speak 8, and
we have many ideas we would like to put into the project and distribute it.
In other words we are thinking about creating our own distribution based on
the Zip Speak project.
Is there going to be a Zip Speak 8.0, or has that project sort of died?
If there isn't going to be one my friend and I would be willing to work on
the project ourselves.
Thanks.

Thomas Ward
tward@bright.net

Re: console apps

[Janina Sajka]

It's not a question of what the gui adds. Clearly, it adds nothing. 
Rather, it is a question of available resources on the client's computer. 
If they're running ME or 2000, for example, they are necessarily limited 
to the accessibility resources available in their gui screen readers, 
i.e., they don't have a choice. People with 95 or 98 may still have the 
necessary hardware and software to use the PC Console application. But, 
even there, they are increasingly not equipped for that.
 On Mon, 1 Oct 
2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > ..... And, once installed, it's still only 
> > a PC Console application which won't run any differently than the PC 
> > Console executables in the ssh.com package. At least, the ssh.com package 
> > goes both ways--command line and gui.
> 
> Well, now I have to say that I fail to understand. I mean really, what
> does a gui add to ssh? And along those lines, I will say (quite
> emphatically) that I much prefer the console telnet in WinNT over the gui
> applet in win9x. The console is better hands down every time. The only
> possible benefit I can see to the gui is that you don't have to type in
> the connection info every time.
> 
> Given that you are essentially working at a console in the app, I just
> don't understand why a console app to do this is any big deal. I can
> understand the value of gui with ftp though.
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> 	- President George Bush
> 
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

RE: strange question

[Amanda Lee]

I likewise stand behind the Shareware programs that I am using.

you can try these for 30 days and I find them very accessible.

qvt/Term, the telnet client does also provide an earlier version of ssh

May have posted the incorrect url.  It is:

http://www.qpc.com (go to the products link) and you can either download
or order two different products.

Amanda leeSoftware Engineer
Verizon Communications
Arlington, VA