Dialpad

Dialpad

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi gang -

Has anybody here been able to use "dialpad" with Linux? Several people I
know are becoming interested in it and I am curious what experience others
have had before plunging into that pool!

Chuck.


My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on.
		-- Hepler, Systems Design 182

Re: Dialpad

[Tommy Moore]

Nope. Dialpad doesn't work in linux.
You'll have to setup a windows box behind the linux firewall if you want
to do this and forward a couple tcp and udp ports to the box. I don't
remember which ones these are though.

Re: Dialpad

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Tommy,
I would rather pay the phone bill than go through such gymnastics! Too
bad.
Chuck.


On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:

> Nope. Dialpad doesn't work in linux.
> You'll have to setup a windows box behind the linux firewall if you want
> to do this and forward a couple tcp and udp ports to the box. I don't
> remember which ones these are though.
> 
> 
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My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on.
		-- Hepler, Systems Design 182

RE: Dialpad

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Isn't the main consideration that dialpad is so java intensive?

-Matt



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Cc: Londa Marsh McCullough
Subject: Dialpad


Hi gang -

Has anybody here been able to use "dialpad" with Linux? Several people I
know are becoming interested in it and I am curious what experience others
have had before plunging into that pool!

Chuck.


My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on.
		-- Hepler, Systems Design 182


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RE: Dialpad

[Janina Sajka]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Matthew Janusauskas wrote:

> Isn't the main consideration that dialpad is so java intensive?
> 
This is my recollection of our previous discussions of Dial Pad.

But, if this is the case, at some point someone should be able to get the
requisite info out of Java, assuming it's been coded using Sun's
Foundation Classes which have access info built in.

I frankly wonder how this will end up working in Linux. Will Java access
necessarily come as an adjunct to gui access--as it does in Windows? Or
will some Kirk Reiser Clone build us a lovely cursys or command line
widget that will simply send all those lovely graphix to /dev/null?

					Janina

 >
-Matt > > > 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Charles Hallenbeck
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 06:58
> To: Speakup Distribution List
> Cc: Londa Marsh McCullough
> Subject: Dialpad
> 
> 
> Hi gang -
> 
> Has anybody here been able to use "dialpad" with Linux? Several people I
> know are becoming interested in it and I am curious what experience others
> have had before plunging into that pool!
> 
> Chuck.
> 
> 
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
> doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on.
> 		-- Hepler, Systems Design 182
> 
> 
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RE: Dialpad

[Brent Harding]

Is there any free pc to phone that really works in linux? I have heard of myfreeld, but microsoft hasn't made netmeeting for linux, and if there was, how does the link on the page trigger the server to dial a requested number? The most I know about shell scripting is to read two responses and fill them in to a sentence, I made a weird one that asked for a favorite kind of dog, and what the dog liked to do, and it filled it in to a sentence with the responses. I got knowledge of that from the slackware adduser script and the read function, and how it refered the responses, but it doesn't really check that an answer was or wasn't put in.


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On 6/27/00 at 12:34 PM Janina Sajka wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Matthew Janusauskas wrote:
>
>> Isn't the main consideration that dialpad is so java intensive?
>>
>This is my recollection of our previous discussions of Dial Pad.
>
>But, if this is the case, at some point someone should be able to get the
>requisite info out of Java, assuming it's been coded using Sun's
>Foundation Classes which have access info built in.
>
>I frankly wonder how this will end up working in Linux. Will Java access
>necessarily come as an adjunct to gui access--as it does in Windows? Or
>will some Kirk Reiser Clone build us a lovely cursys or command line
>widget that will simply send all those lovely graphix to /dev/null?
>
>					Janina
>
> >
>-Matt > > >
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
>> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Charles Hallenbeck
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 06:58
>> To: Speakup Distribution List
>> Cc: Londa Marsh McCullough
>> Subject: Dialpad
>>
>>
>> Hi gang -
>>
>> Has anybody here been able to use "dialpad" with Linux? Several people I
>> know are becoming interested in it and I am curious what experience others
>> have had before plunging into that pool!
>>
>> Chuck.
>>
>>
>> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
>> You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
>> doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on.
>> 		-- Hepler, Systems Design 182
>>
>>
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RE: Dialpad

[Kirk Wood]

I would not bet that Dialpad might work on Linux, but not with any of the
text based browsers. The catch is that the service uses a Java based
program.

As for it being inherantly gui based, Java is definately not. In fact, IBM
has done quite a bit of work with speech access in Java. If memory serves
correctly, they even have a screen reader based entirely on Java. The
catch is that it must run in a virtual machine. It is possible to install
the Sun VM without having X on your system. In fact, apache has some Java
support.

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

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		Alfred North Whitehead

RE: Dialpad

[Shawn Djernes]

In a way yes,  It is dependent at this time on the Microsoft Virtual
Machine on i386 machines.  Which means it will only work with Internet
Explorer on Windoes 95/98/NT/?2000?  They don't even support the
Machintosh machines.  They tell you how to make it work through a Linux
IPchains firewall but that is all they tell you about Linux.  If they got
it to work with the Sun VM then it may be usable on Linux with some
interface code like Trplayer and RealPlayer.

Shawn

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Matthew Janusauskas wrote:

> Isn't the main consideration that dialpad is so java intensive?
> 
> -Matt
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Charles Hallenbeck
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 06:58
> To: Speakup Distribution List
> Cc: Londa Marsh McCullough
> Subject: Dialpad
> 
> 
> Hi gang -
> 
> Has anybody here been able to use "dialpad" with Linux? Several people I
> know are becoming interested in it and I am curious what experience others
> have had before plunging into that pool!
> 
> Chuck.
> 
> 
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
> doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on.
> 		-- Hepler, Systems Design 182
> 
> 
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RE: Dialpad

[brent harding]

Is thereany internet to phone that will work in linux?
At 06:41 PM 6/27/00 -0400, you wrote:
>In a way yes,  It is dependent at this time on the Microsoft Virtual
>Machine on i386 machines.  Which means it will only work with Internet
>Explorer on Windoes 95/98/NT/?2000?  They don't even support the
>Machintosh machines.  They tell you how to make it work through a Linux
>IPchains firewall but that is all they tell you about Linux.  If they got
>it to work with the Sun VM then it may be usable on Linux with some
>interface code like Trplayer and RealPlayer.
>
>Shawn
>
>On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Matthew Janusauskas wrote:
>
>> Isn't the main consideration that dialpad is so java intensive?
>> 
>> -Matt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
>> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Charles Hallenbeck
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 06:58
>> To: Speakup Distribution List
>> Cc: Londa Marsh McCullough
>> Subject: Dialpad
>> 
>> 
>> Hi gang -
>> 
>> Has anybody here been able to use "dialpad" with Linux? Several people I
>> know are becoming interested in it and I am curious what experience others
>> have had before plunging into that pool!
>> 
>> Chuck.
>> 
>> 
>> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
>> You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
>> doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on.
>> 		-- Hepler, Systems Design 182
>> 
>> 
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RE: Dialpad

[Janina Sajka]

I guess my point is that we should start tracking what JAVA tools are
being used to create the applications we're interested in. There's a
difference among the various JAVA development tools. The ones we'd like to
tap into, imho, are those from Sun, because they are disigned, explicitly
and specifically, with disability in mind.


On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:

> I would not bet that Dialpad might work on Linux, but not with any of the
> text based browsers. The catch is that the service uses a Java based
> program.
> 
> As for it being inherantly gui based, Java is definately not. In fact, IBM
> has done quite a bit of work with speech access in Java. If memory serves
> correctly, they even have a screen reader based entirely on Java. The
> catch is that it must run in a virtual machine. It is possible to install
> the Sun VM without having X on your system. In fact, apache has some Java
> support.
> 
> 

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

RE: Dialpad

[brent harding]

If java was to be so universal, why do you seem to need these proprietary
programs to run it? We are still stuck with the OS the program was made
for, like microsoft virtual machine only runs in windows, sun's in unix, etc.
At 09:43 AM 6/28/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I guess my point is that we should start tracking what JAVA tools are
>being used to create the applications we're interested in. There's a
>difference among the various JAVA development tools. The ones we'd like to
>tap into, imho, are those from Sun, because they are disigned, explicitly
>and specifically, with disability in mind.
>
>
>On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:
>
>> I would not bet that Dialpad might work on Linux, but not with any of the
>> text based browsers. The catch is that the service uses a Java based
>> program.
>> 
>> As for it being inherantly gui based, Java is definately not. In fact, IBM
>> has done quite a bit of work with speech access in Java. If memory serves
>> correctly, they even have a screen reader based entirely on Java. The
>> catch is that it must run in a virtual machine. It is possible to install
>> the Sun VM without having X on your system. In fact, apache has some Java
>> support.
>> 
>> 
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Information Systems Research & Development
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>
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RE: Dialpad

[Janina Sajka]

No, not to run it, but to author the application.

Authoring tools matter because different tools yield different results
in terms of accessibility.
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000,
brent harding wrote:

> If java was to be so universal, why do you seem to need these proprietary
> programs to run it? We are still stuck with the OS the program was made
> for, like microsoft virtual machine only runs in windows, sun's in unix, etc.
> At 09:43 AM 6/28/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >I guess my point is that we should start tracking what JAVA tools are
> >being used to create the applications we're interested in. There's a
> >difference among the various JAVA development tools. The ones we'd like to
> >tap into, imho, are those from Sun, because they are disigned, explicitly
> >and specifically, with disability in mind.
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:
> >
> >> I would not bet that Dialpad might work on Linux, but not with any of the
> >> text based browsers. The catch is that the service uses a Java based
> >> program.
> >> 
> >> As for it being inherantly gui based, Java is definately not. In fact, IBM
> >> has done quite a bit of work with speech access in Java. If memory serves
> >> correctly, they even have a screen reader based entirely on Java. The
> >> catch is that it must run in a virtual machine. It is possible to install
> >> the Sun VM without having X on your system. In fact, apache has some Java
> >> support.
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Information Systems Research & Development
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >janina@afb.net
> >
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				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

RE: Dialpad

[shawn]

The trick with Java is what authoring package is used and what VM (virtual
machine) the author is using.  For example someone writing with Visual J++
for windows the default VM with be Microsoft VM but that could have been
changed if the developer had wanted to.  But if you write "generic" java
then it will run on any VM that it can find.  Oh, by the way Sun's VM will
run on Windows but most people never install it because they don't think
they need it.

Shawn

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:

> If java was to be so universal, why do you seem to need these proprietary
> programs to run it? We are still stuck with the OS the program was made
> for, like microsoft virtual machine only runs in windows, sun's in unix, etc.
> At 09:43 AM 6/28/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >I guess my point is that we should start tracking what JAVA tools are
> >being used to create the applications we're interested in. There's a
> >difference among the various JAVA development tools. The ones we'd like to
> >tap into, imho, are those from Sun, because they are disigned, explicitly
> >and specifically, with disability in mind.
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:
> >
> >> I would not bet that Dialpad might work on Linux, but not with any of the
> >> text based browsers. The catch is that the service uses a Java based
> >> program.
> >> 
> >> As for it being inherantly gui based, Java is definately not. In fact, IBM
> >> has done quite a bit of work with speech access in Java. If memory serves
> >> correctly, they even have a screen reader based entirely on Java. The
> >> catch is that it must run in a virtual machine. It is possible to install
> >> the Sun VM without having X on your system. In fact, apache has some Java
> >> support.
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Information Systems Research & Development
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >janina@afb.net
> >
> >
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RE: Dialpad

[Kirk Wood]

The big reason you see requirements for Netscape or Internet Explorer to
run the java apps from the web is they are the only two major browsers,
and there is an assumption they are the only ones with ability to run java
inside of them.

Now for more detail. Java always runs in a "virtual machine." This allows
the java app to only perform things allowed by the virtual machine. The
idea is to allow you to not have to worry about a virus or something as
the java app would only be allowed to work within the vm and not infect
the system.

Now Microslop decided they wanted more functionality (with the sideline
benefit of allowing a new breed of virus). So they made their own vm that
allows some ugly things to be done to your computer. Also their extensions
made proprietary changes. Theyadamently refused to release the changes
back to Sun violating the lisence and are now prohibited from installing
the vm by default while the case continues to be hammered out in
court. (Read M$ tries to delay their loss.) This new "junctionality" also
helps ensure that people will use their developement tools and their OS as
guess what the only place to get it is?

Now one problem facing blind people is there are no text based browsers
with Java ability to my knowledge.

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
		Alfred North Whitehead

RE: Dialpad

[Jim Wantz]

Hey Kirk,
I believe you still run WINDOWS, so the others please excuse this
non-Linux topic.  I tried running Java using Internet Exploder, the Java
Access Bridge.  I was running JFW and performed the installation that
would allow Java to speak.  The installation program "spoke" fine, but
when I tried executing some sample programs written by Peter Korn from
Sun, I got nothing but errors.  There are some very cool features in Java,
particularly event handling that I'd like to employ.  I'd like to be able
to represent certain graphical data like cloud top temperatures as
measured from a satellite, by having the user move a mouse pointer and
listen to a changing tone.  Then the user could get the location of the
pointer by clicking, which would give latitude/longitude coordinates or a
description like "southwest Louisiana".  My question to you is, have you
had any luck with Java in WINDBLOWS?

      Jim WB0TFK


On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:

> The big reason you see requirements for Netscape or Internet Explorer to
> run the java apps from the web is they are the only two major browsers,
> and there is an assumption they are the only ones with ability to run java
> inside of them.
> 
> Now for more detail. Java always runs in a "virtual machine." This allows
> the java app to only perform things allowed by the virtual machine. The
> idea is to allow you to not have to worry about a virus or something as
> the java app would only be allowed to work within the vm and not infect
> the system.
> 
> Now Microslop decided they wanted more functionality (with the sideline
> benefit of allowing a new breed of virus). So they made their own vm that
> allows some ugly things to be done to your computer. Also their extensions
> made proprietary changes. Theyadamently refused to release the changes
> back to Sun violating the lisence and are now prohibited from installing
> the vm by default while the case continues to be hammered out in
> court. (Read M$ tries to delay their loss.) This new "junctionality" also
> helps ensure that people will use their developement tools and their OS as
> guess what the only place to get it is?
> 
> Now one problem facing blind people is there are no text based browsers
> with Java ability to my knowledge.
> 
> -- 
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> ------------------
> 
> Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
> 		Alfred North Whitehead
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Dialpad

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Kirk:

Slight correction. The plugin which provides screen reader access to Sun
Java is now available and has been interfaced with JFW at least. It's
pretty leading edge still, though.


On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:

> The big reason you see requirements for Netscape or Internet Explorer to
> run the java apps from the web is they are the only two major browsers,
> and there is an assumption they are the only ones with ability to run java
> inside of them.
> 
> Now for more detail. Java always runs in a "virtual machine." This allows
> the java app to only perform things allowed by the virtual machine. The
> idea is to allow you to not have to worry about a virus or something as
> the java app would only be allowed to work within the vm and not infect
> the system.
> 
> Now Microslop decided they wanted more functionality (with the sideline
> benefit of allowing a new breed of virus). So they made their own vm that
> allows some ugly things to be done to your computer. Also their extensions
> made proprietary changes. Theyadamently refused to release the changes
> back to Sun violating the lisence and are now prohibited from installing
> the vm by default while the case continues to be hammered out in
> court. (Read M$ tries to delay their loss.) This new "junctionality" also
> helps ensure that people will use their developement tools and their OS as
> guess what the only place to get it is?
> 
> Now one problem facing blind people is there are no text based browsers
> with Java ability to my knowledge.
> 
> 

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net