Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with DoubleTalk LT

Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with DoubleTalk LT

[Victor Tsaran]

I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it onto a
floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines booted, but
no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
Vic

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with DoubleTalk LT

[Jim Wantz]

Hi Vic,
Sometimes you won't get speech when you aren't plugged into ttyS0.  Make
sure your Doubletalk LT is plugged into that port and it should work.  I
have experienced another problem, speech will hang if you leave it on
during the entire initialization process.  However, Kirk's latest
Doubletalk LT driver has cured this.  I would recommend shutting off
speech when it begins to talk and not reanble it until you get to the
login prompt.  Then rebuild the kernel with the latest drivers that are in
the /pub/linux/speakup directory on good ol' bumpy under the name:
newdrv.tar.gz.
    Jim Wantz WB0TFK


On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it onto a
> floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines booted, but
> no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> Vic
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with DoubleTalk LT

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi, Jim!
Of course, I am plugged into TTYS0. How would I expect it to talk otherwise?
Regards,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Wantz" <jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with
DoubleTalk LT


| Hi Vic,
| Sometimes you won't get speech when you aren't plugged into ttyS0.  Make
| sure your Doubletalk LT is plugged into that port and it should work.  I
| have experienced another problem, speech will hang if you leave it on
| during the entire initialization process.  However, Kirk's latest
| Doubletalk LT driver has cured this.  I would recommend shutting off
| speech when it begins to talk and not reanble it until you get to the
| login prompt.  Then rebuild the kernel with the latest drivers that are in
| the /pub/linux/speakup directory on good ol' bumpy under the name:
| newdrv.tar.gz.
|     Jim Wantz WB0TFK
|
|
| On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
|
| > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it onto a
| > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines booted,
but
| > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
| > Vic
| >
| >
| > _______________________________________________
| > Speakup mailing list
| > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
| >
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Speakup mailing list
| Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with DoubleTalk LT

[Janina Sajka]

Vic:

I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.

The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the backplane of the
Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port on the
front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at the boot
prompt:

speakup_ser=1

so my boot prompt response became:

text speakup_ser=1

That did it.
 On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
wrote:

> I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it onto a
> floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines booted, but
> no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> Vic
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work withDoubleTalk LT

[Victor Tsaran]

OK, I will try that  out.
Thanks a lot,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
withDoubleTalk LT


| Vic:
|
| I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.
|
| The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the backplane of the
| Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port on the
| front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at the boot
| prompt:
|
| speakup_ser=1
|
| so my boot prompt response became:
|
| text speakup_ser=1
|
| That did it.
|  On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
| wrote:
|
| > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it onto a
| > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines booted,
but
| > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
| > Vic
| >
| >
| > _______________________________________________
| > Speakup mailing list
| > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
| >
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Speakup mailing list
| Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work withDoubleTalk LT

[Victor Tsaran]

Janina, I did what you suggested, but nothing works still. Here is what I
did:

downloaded ltlkb.bin

with rawrite copied it onto an empty floppy.
Connected Doubletalk LT to com1, both machines are desktops, BTW.
Reboot computer, prompt comes up. I type

text <ENTER>

The booting process proceeds as if there is no speakup built-in.
Do you have any other suggestions?
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
withDoubleTalk LT


> Vic:
>
> I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.
>
> The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the backplane of the
> Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port on the
> front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at the boot
> prompt:
>
> speakup_ser=1
>
> so my boot prompt response became:
>
> text speakup_ser=1
>
> That did it.
>  On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
> wrote:
>
> > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it onto
a
> > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines
booted, but
> > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> > Vic
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work withDoubleTalk LT

[frankiec]

Vic
I think I know what your problem is.  It won't be fixed by the
speakup_ser variable.  If it would be fixed by the speakup_ser kernel
parameter you would type "text speakup_ser=0" because you are using com1,
which is ttyS0.  

I am going to guess that you have the problem with these machines that I
have with lots of machines that I get my hands on.  If you can wait until
later on this weekend sometime I will try to build some speakup slackware
bootdisks with the talking lilo prompt.  I have found that on at least one
system this has solved the detection of serial synths problem.

The issue is that the uarts aren't awake until data gets sent through
them.  Don't ask me why because I have no freekin idea.  All I can tell
you is that this baffled me for about four months until I started really
understanding there behavior.  This took that long for me to really see
what was going on.  I couldn't narrow it down because of all of the
variables.  I think that we are going to need to come up with a fix for
these problems at the speakup level but for now this is a fix.  

I can't make redhat do this because it uses syslinux and I don't think
that you can use the serial port terminal with this boot loader.  Someone
please correct me if I am in error on this one.

Hope this helps.

FC


On Fri, 12 May 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
>     withDoubleTalk LT
> 
> 
> Hi, Voictor:
> 
> At the boot prompt, when you're booting from the ltlkb floppy image you
> need to type all of the following on one line before pressing enter:
> 
> text speakup_ser=1
> 
> At least, that's what uncorked the genie in my bottle. Your mileage may
> vary, but it sounds like you didn't give the speakup variable a go.
> 
> 				Janina
> 
> On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> 
> > Janina, I did what you suggested, but nothing works still. Here is what I
> > did:
> > 
> > downloaded ltlkb.bin
> > 
> > with rawrite copied it onto an empty floppy.
> > Connected Doubletalk LT to com1, both machines are desktops, BTW.
> > Reboot computer, prompt comes up. I type
> > 
> > text <ENTER>
> > 
> > The booting process proceeds as if there is no speakup built-in.
> > Do you have any other suggestions?
> > Vic
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Cc: <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > withDoubleTalk LT
> > 
> > 
> > > Vic:
> > >
> > > I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.
> > >
> > > The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the backplane of the
> > > Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port on the
> > > front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at the boot
> > > prompt:
> > >
> > > speakup_ser=1
> > >
> > > so my boot prompt response became:
> > >
> > > text speakup_ser=1
> > >
> > > That did it.
> > >  On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it onto
> > a
> > > > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines
> > booted, but
> > > > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> > > > Vic
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work withDoubleTalk LT

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Voictor:

At the boot prompt, when you're booting from the ltlkb floppy image you
need to type all of the following on one line before pressing enter:

text speakup_ser=1

At least, that's what uncorked the genie in my bottle. Your mileage may
vary, but it sounds like you didn't give the speakup variable a go.

				Janina

On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Janina, I did what you suggested, but nothing works still. Here is what I
> did:
> 
> downloaded ltlkb.bin
> 
> with rawrite copied it onto an empty floppy.
> Connected Doubletalk LT to com1, both machines are desktops, BTW.
> Reboot computer, prompt comes up. I type
> 
> text <ENTER>
> 
> The booting process proceeds as if there is no speakup built-in.
> Do you have any other suggestions?
> Vic
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Cc: <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> withDoubleTalk LT
> 
> 
> > Vic:
> >
> > I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.
> >
> > The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the backplane of the
> > Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port on the
> > front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at the boot
> > prompt:
> >
> > speakup_ser=1
> >
> > so my boot prompt response became:
> >
> > text speakup_ser=1
> >
> > That did it.
> >  On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it onto
> a
> > > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines
> booted, but
> > > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> > > Vic
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work withDoubleTalkLT

[Victor Tsaran]

Actually, I once succedded to have LILO talk on a Redhat system. is that the
trestriction you speak of?
Regards,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: <frankiec@unforgettable.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
withDoubleTalkLT


> Vic
> I think I know what your problem is.  It won't be fixed by the
> speakup_ser variable.  If it would be fixed by the speakup_ser kernel
> parameter you would type "text speakup_ser=0" because you are using com1,
> which is ttyS0.
>
> I am going to guess that you have the problem with these machines that I
> have with lots of machines that I get my hands on.  If you can wait until
> later on this weekend sometime I will try to build some speakup slackware
> bootdisks with the talking lilo prompt.  I have found that on at least one
> system this has solved the detection of serial synths problem.
>
> The issue is that the uarts aren't awake until data gets sent through
> them.  Don't ask me why because I have no freekin idea.  All I can tell
> you is that this baffled me for about four months until I started really
> understanding there behavior.  This took that long for me to really see
> what was going on.  I couldn't narrow it down because of all of the
> variables.  I think that we are going to need to come up with a fix for
> these problems at the speakup level but for now this is a fix.
>
> I can't make redhat do this because it uses syslinux and I don't think
> that you can use the serial port terminal with this boot loader.  Someone
> please correct me if I am in error on this one.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> FC
>
>
> On Fri, 12 May 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> >     withDoubleTalk LT
> >
> >
> > Hi, Voictor:
> >
> > At the boot prompt, when you're booting from the ltlkb floppy image you
> > need to type all of the following on one line before pressing enter:
> >
> > text speakup_ser=1
> >
> > At least, that's what uncorked the genie in my bottle. Your mileage may
> > vary, but it sounds like you didn't give the speakup variable a go.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >
> > > Janina, I did what you suggested, but nothing works still. Here is
what I
> > > did:
> > >
> > > downloaded ltlkb.bin
> > >
> > > with rawrite copied it onto an empty floppy.
> > > Connected Doubletalk LT to com1, both machines are desktops, BTW.
> > > Reboot computer, prompt comes up. I type
> > >
> > > text <ENTER>
> > >
> > > The booting process proceeds as if there is no speakup built-in.
> > > Do you have any other suggestions?
> > > Vic
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Cc: <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > > withDoubleTalk LT
> > >
> > >
> > > > Vic:
> > > >
> > > > I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.
> > > >
> > > > The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the backplane of
the
> > > > Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port on
the
> > > > front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at the
boot
> > > > prompt:
> > > >
> > > > speakup_ser=1
> > > >
> > > > so my boot prompt response became:
> > > >
> > > > text speakup_ser=1
> > > >
> > > > That did it.
> > > >  On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it
onto
> > > a
> > > > > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines
> > > booted, but
> > > > > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> > > > > Vic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work withDoubleTalkLT

[frankiec]

Hi there Victor

Well yes this is what I am talking about.  However the redhat boot disks
use syslinux instead of lilo as there boot loader. 

I haven't gotten a chance to work on the slackware bootdisks with the
talking lilo yet. 

FC


On Sun, 14 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 02:00:47 -0700
> From: Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu>
> Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
>     withDoubleTalkLT
> 
> Actually, I once succedded to have LILO talk on a Redhat system. is that the
> trestriction you speak of?
> Regards,
> Vic
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <frankiec@unforgettable.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> withDoubleTalkLT
> 
> 
> > Vic
> > I think I know what your problem is.  It won't be fixed by the
> > speakup_ser variable.  If it would be fixed by the speakup_ser kernel
> > parameter you would type "text speakup_ser=0" because you are using com1,
> > which is ttyS0.
> >
> > I am going to guess that you have the problem with these machines that I
> > have with lots of machines that I get my hands on.  If you can wait until
> > later on this weekend sometime I will try to build some speakup slackware
> > bootdisks with the talking lilo prompt.  I have found that on at least one
> > system this has solved the detection of serial synths problem.
> >
> > The issue is that the uarts aren't awake until data gets sent through
> > them.  Don't ask me why because I have no freekin idea.  All I can tell
> > you is that this baffled me for about four months until I started really
> > understanding there behavior.  This took that long for me to really see
> > what was going on.  I couldn't narrow it down because of all of the
> > variables.  I think that we are going to need to come up with a fix for
> > these problems at the speakup level but for now this is a fix.
> >
> > I can't make redhat do this because it uses syslinux and I don't think
> > that you can use the serial port terminal with this boot loader.  Someone
> > please correct me if I am in error on this one.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > FC
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
> > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > >     withDoubleTalk LT
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Voictor:
> > >
> > > At the boot prompt, when you're booting from the ltlkb floppy image you
> > > need to type all of the following on one line before pressing enter:
> > >
> > > text speakup_ser=1
> > >
> > > At least, that's what uncorked the genie in my bottle. Your mileage may
> > > vary, but it sounds like you didn't give the speakup variable a go.
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> > >
> > > > Janina, I did what you suggested, but nothing works still. Here is
> what I
> > > > did:
> > > >
> > > > downloaded ltlkb.bin
> > > >
> > > > with rawrite copied it onto an empty floppy.
> > > > Connected Doubletalk LT to com1, both machines are desktops, BTW.
> > > > Reboot computer, prompt comes up. I type
> > > >
> > > > text <ENTER>
> > > >
> > > > The booting process proceeds as if there is no speakup built-in.
> > > > Do you have any other suggestions?
> > > > Vic
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Cc: <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:13 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > > > withDoubleTalk LT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Vic:
> > > > >
> > > > > I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.
> > > > >
> > > > > The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the backplane of
> the
> > > > > Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port on
> the
> > > > > front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at the
> boot
> > > > > prompt:
> > > > >
> > > > > speakup_ser=1
> > > > >
> > > > > so my boot prompt response became:
> > > > >
> > > > > text speakup_ser=1
> > > > >
> > > > > That did it.
> > > > >  On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and copied it
> onto
> > > > a
> > > > > > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the machines
> > > > booted, but
> > > > > > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> > > > > > Vic
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work withDoubleTalkLT

[Victor Tsaran]

So , perhaps what I have to do is to look into RedHat reference manual and
see if there is a way to make syslinux talk at the bot. Right?
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: <frankiec@unforgettable.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
withDoubleTalkLT


> Hi there Victor
>
> Well yes this is what I am talking about.  However the redhat boot disks
> use syslinux instead of lilo as there boot loader.
>
> I haven't gotten a chance to work on the slackware bootdisks with the
> talking lilo yet.
>
> FC
>
>
> On Sun, 14 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 02:00:47 -0700
> > From: Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> >     withDoubleTalkLT
> >
> > Actually, I once succedded to have LILO talk on a Redhat system. is that
the
> > trestriction you speak of?
> > Regards,
> > Vic
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <frankiec@unforgettable.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > withDoubleTalkLT
> >
> >
> > > Vic
> > > I think I know what your problem is.  It won't be fixed by the
> > > speakup_ser variable.  If it would be fixed by the speakup_ser kernel
> > > parameter you would type "text speakup_ser=0" because you are using
com1,
> > > which is ttyS0.
> > >
> > > I am going to guess that you have the problem with these machines that
I
> > > have with lots of machines that I get my hands on.  If you can wait
until
> > > later on this weekend sometime I will try to build some speakup
slackware
> > > bootdisks with the talking lilo prompt.  I have found that on at least
one
> > > system this has solved the detection of serial synths problem.
> > >
> > > The issue is that the uarts aren't awake until data gets sent through
> > > them.  Don't ask me why because I have no freekin idea.  All I can
tell
> > > you is that this baffled me for about four months until I started
really
> > > understanding there behavior.  This took that long for me to really
see
> > > what was going on.  I couldn't narrow it down because of all of the
> > > variables.  I think that we are going to need to come up with a fix
for
> > > these problems at the speakup level but for now this is a fix.
> > >
> > > I can't make redhat do this because it uses syslinux and I don't think
> > > that you can use the serial port terminal with this boot loader.
Someone
> > > please correct me if I am in error on this one.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > FC
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > > > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > > >     withDoubleTalk LT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Voictor:
> > > >
> > > > At the boot prompt, when you're booting from the ltlkb floppy image
you
> > > > need to type all of the following on one line before pressing enter:
> > > >
> > > > text speakup_ser=1
> > > >
> > > > At least, that's what uncorked the genie in my bottle. Your mileage
may
> > > > vary, but it sounds like you didn't give the speakup variable a go.
> > > >
> > > > Janina
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Janina, I did what you suggested, but nothing works still. Here is
> > what I
> > > > > did:
> > > > >
> > > > > downloaded ltlkb.bin
> > > > >
> > > > > with rawrite copied it onto an empty floppy.
> > > > > Connected Doubletalk LT to com1, both machines are desktops, BTW.
> > > > > Reboot computer, prompt comes up. I type
> > > > >
> > > > > text <ENTER>
> > > > >
> > > > > The booting process proceeds as if there is no speakup built-in.
> > > > > Do you have any other suggestions?
> > > > > Vic
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Cc: <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:13 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > > > > withDoubleTalk LT
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vic:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the
backplane of
> > the
> > > > > > Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port
on
> > the
> > > > > > front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at
the
> > boot
> > > > > > prompt:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > speakup_ser=1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so my boot prompt response became:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > text speakup_ser=1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That did it.
> > > > > >  On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and
copied it
> > onto
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the
machines
> > > > > booted, but
> > > > > > > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> > > > > > > Vic
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work withDoubleTalkLT

[frankiec]

Yeah.  If anyone knows how to get the syslinux prompt to use the serial
port please let us know.

FC

On Sun, 14 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> So , perhaps what I have to do is to look into RedHat reference manual and
> see if there is a way to make syslinux talk at the bot. Right?
> Vic
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <frankiec@unforgettable.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> withDoubleTalkLT
> 
> 
> > Hi there Victor
> >
> > Well yes this is what I am talking about.  However the redhat boot disks
> > use syslinux instead of lilo as there boot loader.
> >
> > I haven't gotten a chance to work on the slackware bootdisks with the
> > talking lilo yet.
> >
> > FC
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 14 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 02:00:47 -0700
> > > From: Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu>
> > > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > >     withDoubleTalkLT
> > >
> > > Actually, I once succedded to have LILO talk on a Redhat system. is that
> the
> > > trestriction you speak of?
> > > Regards,
> > > Vic
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <frankiec@unforgettable.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:58 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > > withDoubleTalkLT
> > >
> > >
> > > > Vic
> > > > I think I know what your problem is.  It won't be fixed by the
> > > > speakup_ser variable.  If it would be fixed by the speakup_ser kernel
> > > > parameter you would type "text speakup_ser=0" because you are using
> com1,
> > > > which is ttyS0.
> > > >
> > > > I am going to guess that you have the problem with these machines that
> I
> > > > have with lots of machines that I get my hands on.  If you can wait
> until
> > > > later on this weekend sometime I will try to build some speakup
> slackware
> > > > bootdisks with the talking lilo prompt.  I have found that on at least
> one
> > > > system this has solved the detection of serial synths problem.
> > > >
> > > > The issue is that the uarts aren't awake until data gets sent through
> > > > them.  Don't ask me why because I have no freekin idea.  All I can
> tell
> > > > you is that this baffled me for about four months until I started
> really
> > > > understanding there behavior.  This took that long for me to really
> see
> > > > what was going on.  I couldn't narrow it down because of all of the
> > > > variables.  I think that we are going to need to come up with a fix
> for
> > > > these problems at the speakup level but for now this is a fix.
> > > >
> > > > I can't make redhat do this because it uses syslinux and I don't think
> > > > that you can use the serial port terminal with this boot loader.
> Someone
> > > > please correct me if I am in error on this one.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > FC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > > > > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > > > >     withDoubleTalk LT
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Voictor:
> > > > >
> > > > > At the boot prompt, when you're booting from the ltlkb floppy image
> you
> > > > > need to type all of the following on one line before pressing enter:
> > > > >
> > > > > text speakup_ser=1
> > > > >
> > > > > At least, that's what uncorked the genie in my bottle. Your mileage
> may
> > > > > vary, but it sounds like you didn't give the speakup variable a go.
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Janina, I did what you suggested, but nothing works still. Here is
> > > what I
> > > > > > did:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > downloaded ltlkb.bin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > with rawrite copied it onto an empty floppy.
> > > > > > Connected Doubletalk LT to com1, both machines are desktops, BTW.
> > > > > > Reboot computer, prompt comes up. I type
> > > > > >
> > > > > > text <ENTER>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The booting process proceeds as if there is no speakup built-in.
> > > > > > Do you have any other suggestions?
> > > > > > Vic
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > Cc: <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:13 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work
> > > > > > withDoubleTalk LT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vic:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I had the same problem with my IBM Thinkpad 560Z.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The issue turned out to be that the serial port on  the
> backplane of
> > > the
> > > > > > > Thinkpad was being seen by Linux as ttyS1. Seems the irda port
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > > front plane is ttyS0. So, the fix was to add the following at
> the
> > > boot
> > > > > > > prompt:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > speakup_ser=1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so my boot prompt response became:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > text speakup_ser=1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That did it.
> > > > > > >  On Thu, 11 May 2000, Victor Tsaran
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I downloaded the boot disk for RedHat6.1, ltlkb.bin, and
> copied it
> > > onto
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > floppy. I tried it on two machines and in both cases the
> machines
> > > > > > booted, but
> > > > > > > > no speech ever came up. Anyone have an idea why this behavior?
> > > > > > > > Vic
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with DoubleTalk LT

[Jim Wantz]

H Vic,
Janina and others have already answered your question adequately I hope.  I
didn't even think that you had anything other than a desktop--your computer
model blew right by me.  Many desktops have more than one serial port.  I
certainly wasn't implying that you didn't have the sense to plug in your
synthesizer!

    Jim
i

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with DoubleTalk LT

[Jim Wantz]

Hey Vic, I think that all the people on this list are really sharp, I
wasn't offended in the slightest--I just wanted to make myself clear
(grin).  If you had been able to hear my voice inflection you would have
known that.  That's the problem with text sometimes.  I certainly hope you
have it up and speaking by now.  The only problem I had with RH 6.1 and my
Doubletalk LT on this desktop was with the driver causing the kernel to
hang if I would leave the speech on during the initialization process. So
the remedy was to shut it down at the beginning and reanble it at the sign
on prompt.  With Kirk's latest driver the kernel no logner hangs.
However, that's definitely not what you are experiencing.

     73s Jim WB0TFK

Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with DoubleTalk LT

[Victor Tsaran]

No, no, no, Jim! Please, don't get offended. I also didn't imply any
offence. I just wanted to be short in reply.
Regards,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Wantz" <jwantz@hpcc.noaa.gov>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Redhat6.1 boot disks with Speakup don't seem to work with
DoubleTalk LT


> H Vic,
> Janina and others have already answered your question adequately I hope.
I
> didn't even think that you had anything other than a desktop--your
computer
> model blew right by me.  Many desktops have more than one serial port.  I
> certainly wasn't implying that you didn't have the sense to plug in your
> synthesizer!
>
>     Jim
> i
>
>
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