* testing grml @ John Heim ` Albert Sten-Clanton ` Kerry Hoath 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: John Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. All, First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there is no sound, I can't run the mixer. I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I think that's because the sound card is muted. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* RE: testing grml testing grml John Heim @ ` Albert Sten-Clanton ` Kitty Litter ` John G. Heim ` Kerry Hoath 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Albert Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' John, did you ever get an answer to your question about unmuting the sound card? I'd need it too. Thanks for any info. Al -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of John Heim Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:35 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: testing grml All, First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there is no sound, I can't run the mixer. I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I think that's because the sound card is muted. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` Albert Sten-Clanton @ ` Kitty Litter ` Albert Sten-Clanton ` John G. Heim 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Kitty Litter @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If you are at the prompt, what is so hard about entering an amixer command? or starting grml and connecting with ssh? Its worth trying at least and then you can tell them your results. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* RE: testing grml ` Kitty Litter @ ` Albert Sten-Clanton ` John G. Heim 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Albert Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' I seem to remember trying that and getting nothing, but it's worth another shot to see if it's my memory that's screwed. The more useful question is this: why should a sound card that used to work fine booting up GRML (and Vinux, for that matter) have become muted by default something over a year ago? I tried to find out via Google but failed. Al -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kitty Litter Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:07 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: testing grml If you are at the prompt, what is so hard about entering an amixer command? or starting grml and connecting with ssh? Its worth trying at least and then you can tell them your results. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` Albert Sten-Clanton @ ` John G. Heim ` Albert Sten-Clanton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. The grml developers removed sound at one point. I'm not sure if any official release came without sound support but they were going to drop sound because they didn't consider it crucial for rescuing machines. They just forgot that blind people need sound. The intended use for grml is to allow systems admins to rescue down machines so they are trying to strip out anything not necessary for that. Anyway, like I said in another message, they put sound back and the fix for the muted sound card is already in the very latest download. Now if we could only get VMWare to put sound & speakup in their esx and esxi kernels, then we'd really have something. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: RE: testing grml >I seem to remember trying that and getting nothing, but it's worth another > shot to see if it's my memory that's screwed. > > The more useful question is this: why should a sound card that used to > work > fine booting up GRML (and Vinux, for that matter) have become muted by > default something over a year ago? I tried to find out via Google but > failed. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Kitty Litter > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:07 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: testing grml > > If you are at the prompt, what is so hard about entering an amixer > command? > or starting grml and connecting with ssh? Its worth trying at least and > then > you can tell them your results. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* RE: testing grml ` John G. Heim @ ` Albert Sten-Clanton 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Albert Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' John, thanks for the info in this and your earlier message. Maybe I'll try those commands with the latest Fedora live CD, adding or modifying as needed to deal with Orca rather than Speakup--if I can get to a command prompt. My experience is that the GRML folks on the whole have been leaders in accessibility for us. GRML helped me a lot from time to time. More to the point, my impression is that my sound card problem is a general Linux thing in the past year plus, not particular to GRML or any other distro I've played with. The Vinux folks at least tell you how to deal with the problem while using the live CD. Chris Brannon's Arch CD just takes care of the problem, it seems, and tells you how to keep your sound after installation, which I don't think the Vinux instructions do. (Yes, I did write to them about that, after using that step in the Arch Linux for the blind instructions to get my speech back after booting up from the hard drive.) Anyway, thanks again. Al -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:06 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: testing grml The grml developers removed sound at one point. I'm not sure if any official release came without sound support but they were going to drop sound because they didn't consider it crucial for rescuing machines. They just forgot that blind people need sound. The intended use for grml is to allow systems admins to rescue down machines so they are trying to strip out anything not necessary for that. Anyway, like I said in another message, they put sound back and the fix for the muted sound card is already in the very latest download. Now if we could only get VMWare to put sound & speakup in their esx and esxi kernels, then we'd really have something. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: RE: testing grml >I seem to remember trying that and getting nothing, but it's worth another > shot to see if it's my memory that's screwed. > > The more useful question is this: why should a sound card that used to > work > fine booting up GRML (and Vinux, for that matter) have become muted by > default something over a year ago? I tried to find out via Google but > failed. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Kitty Litter > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:07 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: testing grml > > If you are at the prompt, what is so hard about entering an amixer > command? > or starting grml and connecting with ssh? Its worth trying at least and > then > you can tell them your results. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` Albert Sten-Clanton ` Kitty Litter @ ` John G. Heim 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I never found a script that worked. I downloaded a couple and they messed up my machine worse than doing without. Looking at the code, I can't figure out what they are trying to do. Its not that I don't understand the code, I don't get what its trying to do. So I may write one myself that makes more sense to me. Anyway, I had to learn about amixer but its not as intimidating as it seems at first. I figured out that on all the machines I've tried grml on so far, you get at least some sound by typing in three amixer commands: amixer set Master unmute amixer set Front unmute amixer set PCM unmute Then you have to type in two more commands to get software speech: modprobe speakup_soft espeakup So its not exactly the easiest thing in the world to get software speech on the latest grml release candidate. But there's a fix for the muted sound card in the pipeline and I think it will be included in the next official release. I think I am going to ask them to put speakup_soft in /etc/modules so all you will have to do to get speech is type 'espeakup' after booting is finished. I have been a little reluctant to push them too hard because I don't want to seem ungrateful. They actually have been great. They added the brltty and espeakup packages and they added beeps at startup and when the boot is done. They enabled the serial console so you can get boot messages via a terminal emulator. And, of course, the speakup modules are included. I usually keep a vinux CD around but most of the time, when I need to boot off a CD I use grml. I'm just more comfortable with it. But the main reason I think its important to retain accessibility in grml is that if for some reason, vinux would go away, we'd still have a live CD we could use. From: "Albert Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:10 AM Subject: RE: testing grml > John, did you ever get an answer to your question about unmuting the sound > card? I'd need it too. > > Thanks for any info. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of John Heim > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:35 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: testing grml > > All, > > First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use people > to > test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa > > > Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you > can > do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there is no > sound, I can't run the mixer. > > > I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml > release > but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I think > that's > > because the sound card is muted. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml testing grml John Heim ` Albert Sten-Clanton @ ` Kerry Hoath ` covici ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under new grml? sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do with that and no eyes here at the moment. will report back to the list if I get this sorted. Regards, Kerry. On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: > All, > > First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use > people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa > > > Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you > can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there > is no sound, I can't run the mixer. > > > I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml > release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I > think that's because the sound card is muted. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` Kerry Hoath @ ` covici ` John G. Heim ` bigd ` John G. Heim 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. What happens if you just start typing, or hit tab and start typing, does that work by any chance? Kerry Hoath <kerry@gotss.net> wrote: > > Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under > new grml? > sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do > with that and no eyes here at the moment. > will report back to the list if I get this sorted. > > Regards, Kerry. > > On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: > > All, > > > > First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use > > people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa > > > > > > Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you > > can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there > > is no sound, I can't run the mixer. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml > > release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I > > think that's because the sound card is muted. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` covici @ ` John G. Heim 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You have to press 'q' to quit the quick config menu before typing any commands. ----- Original Message ----- From: <covici@ccs.covici.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 7:01 AM Subject: Re: testing grml > What happens if you just start typing, or hit tab and start typing, does > that work by any chance? > > Kerry Hoath <kerry@gotss.net> wrote: > >> >> Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under >> new grml? >> sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do >> with that and no eyes here at the moment. >> will report back to the list if I get this sorted. >> >> Regards, Kerry. >> >> On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: >> > All, >> > >> > First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use >> > people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa >> > >> > >> > Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you >> > can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there >> > is no sound, I can't run the mixer. >> > >> > >> > I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml >> > release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I >> > think that's because the sound card is muted. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > covici@ccs.covici.com > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` Kerry Hoath ` covici @ ` bigd ` Kerry Hoath ` John G. Heim 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: bigd @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Haven't tried the livecd since 2008.11, but on that one, I think you could type grml swspeak to prepare it for speakup. When it's booted fully, you can type swspeak to activate it. From there, if you think your sound is muted, you should be able to use alsamixer to adjust the levels. 0-9 should change it to 0-90%, page up and down should chaneg by about 3 or 5%, up and down should go by one. m should toggle mute, and left and right should move between devices. It may be different for th elater cds though. Anyway, hope this helps some :) Thanks, KJ4UFX {.i doi .tcikoritys. mi cuxna ba'e do} On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 05:41:37PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: > > Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under new > grml? > sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do > with that and no eyes here at the moment. > will report back to the list if I get this sorted. > > Regards, Kerry. > > On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: > > All, > > > > First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use > > people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa > > > > > > Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you > > can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there > > is no sound, I can't run the mixer. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml > > release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I > > think that's because the sound card is muted. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` bigd @ ` Kerry Hoath ` John G. Heim 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Oh I know all about 2011.05 however the accessibility boot options have been removed in 2011.12 and changed. I've done imaging tutorials on www.cucat.org/cavicasts/2011 but need to update my procedures for the new version. Regards, Kerry. On 26/12/2011 12:56 AM, bigd wrote: > Hi, > > Haven't tried the livecd since 2008.11, but on that one, I think you could type > grml swspeak > to prepare it for speakup. When it's booted fully, you can type swspeak to activate it. From there, if you think your sound is muted, you should be able to use alsamixer > to adjust the levels. 0-9 should change it to 0-90%, page up and down should chaneg by about 3 or 5%, up and down should go by one. m should toggle mute, and left and > right should move between devices. > It may be different for th elater cds though. Anyway, hope this helps some :) > > Thanks, > KJ4UFX > {.i doi .tcikoritys. mi cuxna ba'e do} > > On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at > 05:41:37PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: >> >> Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under new >> grml? >> sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do >> with that and no eyes here at the moment. >> will report back to the list if I get this sorted. >> >> Regards, Kerry. >> >> On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use >>> people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa >>> >>> >>> Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you >>> can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there >>> is no sound, I can't run the mixer. >>> >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml >>> release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I >>> think that's because the sound card is muted. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` Kerry Hoath @ ` John G. Heim 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes, the old swspeak command (or whatever it was ) no longer works. You have to type in the modprobe command for your particular speech synth. Once the tone sounds, press 'q' to quit the quick help menu, and then type your modprobe command. Speaking for the grml developers, I can tell you they didn't make the decision to drop the boot options easily. But they are suffering a manpower shortage and actually considered dropping accessibility entirely. Some of us blind folks on the grml support list convinced them that it wouldn't be very difficult to continue to support a minimal level of accessibility. It is a really good thing that the speakup modules are now in the regular kernel source or we'd probably have lost them. But they kept the speakup modules in, kept sound support, kept brltty, and added some beeps to hellp blind people know where their machine is in the boot process. Also, while these are not strictly accessibility features, they continue to support access via ssh and serial console. It may not be ideal but my opinion is that given the manpower issues grml faces, the accessibility is pretty good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:40 PM Subject: Re: testing grml > > Oh I know all about 2011.05 however the accessibility boot options have > been removed in 2011.12 and changed. > > I've done imaging tutorials on www.cucat.org/cavicasts/2011 > but need to update my procedures for the new version. > > Regards, Kerry. > > On 26/12/2011 12:56 AM, bigd wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Haven't tried the livecd since 2008.11, but on that one, I think you >> could type >> grml swspeak >> to prepare it for speakup. When it's booted fully, you can type swspeak >> to activate it. From there, if you think your sound is muted, you should >> be able to use alsamixer >> to adjust the levels. 0-9 should change it to 0-90%, page up and down >> should chaneg by about 3 or 5%, up and down should go by one. m should >> toggle mute, and left and >> right should move between devices. >> It may be different for th elater cds though. Anyway, hope this helps >> some :) >> >> Thanks, >> KJ4UFX >> {.i doi .tcikoritys. mi cuxna ba'e do} >> >> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at >> 05:41:37PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: >>> >>> Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under new >>> grml? >>> sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do >>> with that and no eyes here at the moment. >>> will report back to the list if I get this sorted. >>> >>> Regards, Kerry. >>> >>> On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use >>>> people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa >>>> >>>> >>>> Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you >>>> can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there >>>> is no sound, I can't run the mixer. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml >>>> release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I >>>> think that's because the sound card is muted. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` Kerry Hoath ` covici ` bigd @ ` John G. Heim ` Al Sten-Clanton 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. The latest release simply has all the speakup modules included. So you can just type in a modprobe command to start speakup. I have a tripletalk hardware synth so I type, 'modprobe speakup_ltlk' at a command prompt. You can also use software speech by typing 'modprobe speakup_soft' and then 'espeakup'. The only problem I have is not specific to grml. It looks like the speakup bug in the speakup_ltlk module is still there. The speakup_ltlk module doesn't load on 64 bit hardware. Even the 32 bit version of the module doesn't work on 64 bit hardware. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:41 AM Subject: Re: testing grml > > Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under new > grml? > sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do with > that and no eyes here at the moment. > will report back to the list if I get this sorted. > > Regards, Kerry. > > On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: >> All, >> >> First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use >> people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa >> >> >> Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you >> can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there >> is no sound, I can't run the mixer. >> >> >> I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml >> release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I >> think that's because the sound card is muted. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` John G. Heim @ ` Al Sten-Clanton ` John G. Heim 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Al Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. John, I hope this doesn't sound like a stupid question, but does this mean you can't get hardware speech by typing, in my case, grml speakup.synth=ltlk when you're booting up? (I presume I typed that command right.) Thanks! Al On 12/28/2011 10:35 AM, John G. Heim wrote: > The latest release simply has all the speakup modules included. So you > can just type in a modprobe command to start speakup. I have a > tripletalk hardware synth so I type, 'modprobe speakup_ltlk' at a > command prompt. > > You can also use software speech by typing 'modprobe speakup_soft' and > then 'espeakup'. > > The only problem I have is not specific to grml. It looks like the > speakup bug in the speakup_ltlk module is still there. The speakup_ltlk > module doesn't load on 64 bit hardware. Even the 32 bit version of the > module doesn't work on 64 bit hardware. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: testing grml > > >> >> Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under >> new grml? >> sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do >> with that and no eyes here at the moment. >> will report back to the list if I get this sorted. >> >> Regards, Kerry. >> >> On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use >>> people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa >>> >>> >>> Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you >>> can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there >>> is no sound, I can't run the mixer. >>> >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml >>> release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I >>> think that's because the sound card is muted. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` Al Sten-Clanton @ ` John G. Heim ` Al Sten-Clanton ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes, that's what it means. But its not as bad as it sounds. Instead of typing something at the isolinux boot prompt, which is problematic anyway, you wait until the machine is done booting and then type a command to load the speakup module for your synth. In fact, that's easier because you will know when the machine is done booting because of the tone. It plays a 4 note tone when the boot process is done. You then have to press a 'q' to quit the grml menu and then type in a modprobe command. In your case, you'd press the q and then type 'modprobe speakup_ltlk'. The only issue, of course, is that you will miss boot messages. However, those are accessible via a serial console. In my opinion, accessing the boot messages via a serial console is better anyway because then you can save them. If grml doesn't boot, and you want to get support from the grml developers, you can cut and paste from your terminal emulator into an email message. You do need a null modem cable and a second computer to do a serial console. But last time I bought a null modem cable it was $5, considerably less expensive than a hardware speech synth. In fact, if you ask around you might be able to find a null modem cable for free because people used to use a product called laplink which included a null modem cable. If you ask around, you might be able to find someone to give you a null modem or a laplink cable (same thing) for free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Re: testing grml > John, I hope this doesn't sound like a stupid question, but does this mean > you can't get hardware speech by typing, in my case, > > grml speakup.synth=ltlk > > when you're booting up? (I presume I typed that command right.) > > Thanks! > > Al > > On 12/28/2011 10:35 AM, John G. Heim wrote: >> The latest release simply has all the speakup modules included. So you >> can just type in a modprobe command to start speakup. I have a >> tripletalk hardware synth so I type, 'modprobe speakup_ltlk' at a >> command prompt. >> >> You can also use software speech by typing 'modprobe speakup_soft' and >> then 'espeakup'. >> >> The only problem I have is not specific to grml. It looks like the >> speakup bug in the speakup_ltlk module is still there. The speakup_ltlk >> module doesn't load on 64 bit hardware. Even the 32 bit version of the >> module doesn't work on 64 bit hardware. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:41 AM >> Subject: Re: testing grml >> >> >>> >>> Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under >>> new grml? >>> sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do >>> with that and no eyes here at the moment. >>> will report back to the list if I get this sorted. >>> >>> Regards, Kerry. >>> >>> On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use >>>> people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa >>>> >>>> >>>> Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you >>>> can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there >>>> is no sound, I can't run the mixer. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml >>>> release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I >>>> think that's because the sound card is muted. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` John G. Heim @ ` Al Sten-Clanton ` Michael Whapples 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Al Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. John, thanks for your info, and for the perspective on GRML in your other message. It seems to me that accessibility very often lands on the back burner when things change, but, as I wrote last week, I've long known GRML to be something of a leader in accessibility. Al On 12/28/2011 11:11 AM, John G. Heim wrote: > Yes, that's what it means. But its not as bad as it sounds. Instead of > typing something at the isolinux boot prompt, which is problematic > anyway, you wait until the machine is done booting and then type a > command to load the speakup module for your synth. In fact, that's > easier because you will know when the machine is done booting because of > the tone. It plays a 4 note tone when the boot process is done. You then > have to press a 'q' to quit the grml menu and then type in a modprobe > command. In your case, you'd press the q and then type 'modprobe > speakup_ltlk'. > > The only issue, of course, is that you will miss boot messages. However, > those are accessible via a serial console. In my opinion, accessing the > boot messages via a serial console is better anyway because then you can > save them. If grml doesn't boot, and you want to get support from the > grml developers, you can cut and paste from your terminal emulator into > an email message. > > You do need a null modem cable and a second computer to do a serial > console. But last time I bought a null modem cable it was $5, > considerably less expensive than a hardware speech synth. In fact, if > you ask around you might be able to find a null modem cable for free > because people used to use a product called laplink which included a > null modem cable. If you ask around, you might be able to find someone > to give you a null modem or a laplink cable (same thing) for free. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Sten-Clanton" > <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: testing grml > > >> John, I hope this doesn't sound like a stupid question, but does this >> mean you can't get hardware speech by typing, in my case, >> >> grml speakup.synth=ltlk >> >> when you're booting up? (I presume I typed that command right.) >> >> Thanks! >> >> Al >> >> On 12/28/2011 10:35 AM, John G. Heim wrote: >>> The latest release simply has all the speakup modules included. So you >>> can just type in a modprobe command to start speakup. I have a >>> tripletalk hardware synth so I type, 'modprobe speakup_ltlk' at a >>> command prompt. >>> >>> You can also use software speech by typing 'modprobe speakup_soft' and >>> then 'espeakup'. >>> >>> The only problem I have is not specific to grml. It looks like the >>> speakup bug in the speakup_ltlk module is still there. The speakup_ltlk >>> module doesn't load on 64 bit hardware. Even the 32 bit version of the >>> module doesn't work on 64 bit hardware. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net> >>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:41 AM >>> Subject: Re: testing grml >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under >>>> new grml? >>>> sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do >>>> with that and no eyes here at the moment. >>>> will report back to the list if I get this sorted. >>>> >>>> Regards, Kerry. >>>> >>>> On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use >>>>> people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know >>>>> you >>>>> can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if >>>>> there >>>>> is no sound, I can't run the mixer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml >>>>> release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. >>>>> And I >>>>> think that's because the sound card is muted. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: testing grml ` John G. Heim ` Al Sten-Clanton @ ` Michael Whapples 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. One question though, how useful was previous versions of GRML's support for speakup for boot messages as speakup was loaded half way through the boot process anyway? Also for software speech people there is little difference as in previous releases you still did not have speech until you typed swspeak after booting finished. I have to say considering things, what has come out is pretty good and is much better than many distros give. May be things could be perfected a bit more, however for that you may really be looking towards a distribution with its speciality being accessibility, like it is with vinux. Michael Whapples -----Original Message----- From: John G. Heim Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:11 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: testing grml Yes, that's what it means. But its not as bad as it sounds. Instead of typing something at the isolinux boot prompt, which is problematic anyway, you wait until the machine is done booting and then type a command to load the speakup module for your synth. In fact, that's easier because you will know when the machine is done booting because of the tone. It plays a 4 note tone when the boot process is done. You then have to press a 'q' to quit the grml menu and then type in a modprobe command. In your case, you'd press the q and then type 'modprobe speakup_ltlk'. The only issue, of course, is that you will miss boot messages. However, those are accessible via a serial console. In my opinion, accessing the boot messages via a serial console is better anyway because then you can save them. If grml doesn't boot, and you want to get support from the grml developers, you can cut and paste from your terminal emulator into an email message. You do need a null modem cable and a second computer to do a serial console. But last time I bought a null modem cable it was $5, considerably less expensive than a hardware speech synth. In fact, if you ask around you might be able to find a null modem cable for free because people used to use a product called laplink which included a null modem cable. If you ask around, you might be able to find someone to give you a null modem or a laplink cable (same thing) for free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Re: testing grml > John, I hope this doesn't sound like a stupid question, but does this mean > you can't get hardware speech by typing, in my case, > > grml speakup.synth=ltlk > > when you're booting up? (I presume I typed that command right.) > > Thanks! > > Al > > On 12/28/2011 10:35 AM, John G. Heim wrote: >> The latest release simply has all the speakup modules included. So you >> can just type in a modprobe command to start speakup. I have a >> tripletalk hardware synth so I type, 'modprobe speakup_ltlk' at a >> command prompt. >> >> You can also use software speech by typing 'modprobe speakup_soft' and >> then 'espeakup'. >> >> The only problem I have is not specific to grml. It looks like the >> speakup bug in the speakup_ltlk module is still there. The speakup_ltlk >> module doesn't load on 64 bit hardware. Even the 32 bit version of the >> module doesn't work on 64 bit hardware. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:41 AM >> Subject: Re: testing grml >> >> >>> >>> Did you ever get an answer how to get speakup up and happening under >>> new grml? >>> sure it beeps when quick config menu comes up but not sure what to do >>> with that and no eyes here at the moment. >>> will report back to the list if I get this sorted. >>> >>> Regards, Kerry. >>> >>> On 15/12/2011 11:35 PM, John Heim wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> First of all, grml has a new release candidate out. They could use >>>> people to test accessibility. Point a vrowser to http://bit.ly/sESUaa >>>> >>>> >>>> Second, is there a command to unmute the sound card? I mean, I know you >>>> can do that with a mixer but I need a command to do it because if there >>>> is no sound, I can't run the mixer. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure that software speech is working on this latest grml >>>> release but I can't confirm it because I can't get sound to work. And I >>>> think that's because the sound card is muted. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Testing GRML @ Keith Hinton 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Keith Hinton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi. I just want to put my two sense up here. First, manpower issues are understandably not a good thing to have in a project. While I'm not an open source exbert, I'm sure that maintaining the accessibility in GRML can't be easy on the development team. I don't see what's wrong with typing modprobe then say speakup_soft. I honestly hardly care about boot-up messages. Even if you can't run a serial console, you could still use /var/log/dmesg to review the bootup sequence. GRML has done a good job indeed with trying to provide accessible images. Other options exist however, such as the TalkingArch project, and I believe the Gentoo minimal CD can be used with speakup support. I'm not sure if the minimal Gentoo CDs work properly or not with SPeakup, because the last time I tested (back in July) I got no sound whatsoever despite doing everything properly. Thanks everyone! -- Regards, --Keith Website: http://www.keithnet.us Skype: skypedude1234 MSN Messenger: keithint37@hotmail.com Yahoo/AIM/Twitter: keithint1234 Facebook: http://facebook.com/keith.hinton1 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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