Mutt and Gmail

Mutt and Gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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I've had mutt set up to work with gmail for some time now and all and
all, it has worked quite well.  But lately after installing Debian
some time after that I keep getting an error when trying to send mail
to the gmail smtp server.

No authenticators available

I've checked out all the ssl and tls related packages; I can read mail
from gmail but I just can't seem to send anymore.  Are there any
mutt/gmail users out there who might be able to shed a light on this
matter?
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Re: Mutt and Gmail

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Steve,

You are probably using exim4 to send your mail to a smart host. Look
at:

/etc/exim4/passwd.client

Chuck


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> 
> I've had mutt set up to work with gmail for some time now and all and
> all, it has worked quite well.  But lately after installing Debian
> some time after that I keep getting an error when trying to send mail
> to the gmail smtp server.
> 
> No authenticators available
> 
> I've checked out all the ssl and tls related packages; I can read mail
> from gmail but I just can't seem to send anymore.  Are there any
> mutt/gmail users out there who might be able to shed a light on this
> matter?
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Re: Mutt and Gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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Hash: RIPEMD160

I looked at the exim logs and gmail was not mentioned anywhere;
besides, I have mutt configured to go to gmail directly.  These later
versions of mutt allow for direct smtp with appropriate ssl/tls
encryption.  I don't know, but I fell back to using msmtp for the
transport functions like I used to use and that works fine.  I wonder
if it's got to do with the way mutt was configured/compiled for debian
or what.  At least it works now even if I have to use an external
component to move the mail.  Thanks for the idea though.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> You are probably using exim4 to send your mail to a smart host. Look
> at:
> 
> /etc/exim4/passwd.client
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: RIPEMD160
> > 
> > I've had mutt set up to work with gmail for some time now and all and
> > all, it has worked quite well.  But lately after installing Debian
> > some time after that I keep getting an error when trying to send mail
> > to the gmail smtp server.
> > 
> > No authenticators available
> > 
> > I've checked out all the ssl and tls related packages; I can read mail
> > from gmail but I just can't seem to send anymore.  Are there any
> > mutt/gmail users out there who might be able to shed a light on this
> > matter?
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> > WRgAnRNyyqFlzd8q9vo9PGAEgnkxyEEI
> > =/Ofr
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> 
> My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: 1-518-334-9022.
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Re: Mutt and Gmail

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Steve,

I use mutt too, but have always let it hand the outgoing stuff off to
exim4 for handling. Exim4 spools the outgoing items, so it you often
send with attachments, you don't have to wait while your MUA completes
the send. You also have /etc/email-addresses and /etc/aliases to help
adjusting your return address and routing your arrivals. If you have
not already done so, you might want to consider getmail to replace
fetchmail, if you are using it.  

Chuck


On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:26:46PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
> 
> I looked at the exim logs and gmail was not mentioned anywhere;
> besides, I have mutt configured to go to gmail directly.  These later
> versions of mutt allow for direct smtp with appropriate ssl/tls
> encryption.  I don't know, but I fell back to using msmtp for the
> transport functions like I used to use and that works fine.  I wonder
> if it's got to do with the way mutt was configured/compiled for debian
> or what.  At least it works now even if I have to use an external
> component to move the mail.  Thanks for the idea though.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> > Steve,
> > 
> > You are probably using exim4 to send your mail to a smart host. Look
> > at:
> > 
> > /etc/exim4/passwd.client
> > 
> > Chuck
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
> > > 
> > > I've had mutt set up to work with gmail for some time now and all and
> > > all, it has worked quite well.  But lately after installing Debian
> > > some time after that I keep getting an error when trying to send mail
> > > to the gmail smtp server.
> > > 
> > > No authenticators available
> > > 
> > > I've checked out all the ssl and tls related packages; I can read mail
> > > from gmail but I just can't seem to send anymore.  Are there any
> > > mutt/gmail users out there who might be able to shed a light on this
> > > matter?
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> > 
> > My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: 1-518-334-9022.
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> > It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final.
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Re: Mutt and Gmail

[Alonzo]

Hello chuck,

I would like to use my AIM address for sending mail, however... i'm not 
exactly sure how to configure exim4 using debconf. I'm confused with the 
questions. so I've removed it for now until I have better documentation.
Also when I start up debian lenny, it complains about send mailno make 
database that i have to build it by hand. Anyone know what that's about?

Alonzo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@ftml.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: Mutt and Gmail


> Steve,
>
> I use mutt too, but have always let it hand the outgoing stuff off to
> exim4 for handling. Exim4 spools the outgoing items, so it you often
> send with attachments, you don't have to wait while your MUA completes
> the send. You also have /etc/email-addresses and /etc/aliases to help
> adjusting your return address and routing your arrivals. If you have
> not already done so, you might want to consider getmail to replace
> fetchmail, if you are using it.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:26:46PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: RIPEMD160
>>
>> I looked at the exim logs and gmail was not mentioned anywhere;
>> besides, I have mutt configured to go to gmail directly.  These later
>> versions of mutt allow for direct smtp with appropriate ssl/tls
>> encryption.  I don't know, but I fell back to using msmtp for the
>> transport functions like I used to use and that works fine.  I wonder
>> if it's got to do with the way mutt was configured/compiled for debian
>> or what.  At least it works now even if I have to use an external
>> component to move the mail.  Thanks for the idea though.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>> > Steve,
>> >
>> > You are probably using exim4 to send your mail to a smart host. Look
>> > at:
>> >
>> > /etc/exim4/passwd.client
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
>> > >
>> > > I've had mutt set up to work with gmail for some time now and all and
>> > > all, it has worked quite well.  But lately after installing Debian
>> > > some time after that I keep getting an error when trying to send mail
>> > > to the gmail smtp server.
>> > >
>> > > No authenticators available
>> > >
>> > > I've checked out all the ssl and tls related packages; I can read 
>> > > mail
>> > > from gmail but I just can't seem to send anymore.  Are there any
>> > > mutt/gmail users out there who might be able to shed a light on this
>> > > matter?
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>> >
>> > -- 
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>> >
>> > My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: 
>> > 1-518-334-9022.
>> >                                 --------
>> > It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever 
>> > final.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Mutt and Gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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I never got therror concerning a mak database for exim.  I looked in
the README files under the /usr/share/doc/exim4 for my instructions.
Sorry, but right now I forget what I used to configure it; I suppose
it was dpkg-reconfigure.  Sorry, I'm new to Debian so am still
bouncing off the walls a bit.  I was a slackware user for over ten
years so am more used to editing strait files.  I didn't find the docs
to be all that confusing though.  In fact, one of the options in the
config script enables me to hide the local machine name from my
outgoing addresses and smart host over to my main mail server for non
gmail activities.

As for configuring exim to have two different smart hosts depending on
what from address was used, that goes way over my head and I doubt any
debconf scripts cover that.  Plus AFAIK, exim doesn't handle ssl/tls
encryption so that's why the need for either msmtp or mutt's internal
smtp support.  Both of these latter items support gmail.  In fact, it
is just recent that I ran into the situation that started this thread
and that is mutt can't find any authenticators now when I use the
internal smtp support but I can get them through msmtp OK.  Mutt's
smtp support works great on my laptop which is still running under
slackware 12.0.

Chuck, I don't use fetchmail or getmail on this box.  I use Gmail's
IMAP support directly in Mutt.  It works pretty good too.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:47:15AM -0500, Alonzo wrote:
> Hello chuck,
>
> I would like to use my AIM address for sending mail, however... i'm not  
> exactly sure how to configure exim4 using debconf. I'm confused with the  
> questions. so I've removed it for now until I have better documentation.
> Also when I start up debian lenny, it complains about send mailno make  
> database that i have to build it by hand. Anyone know what that's about?
>
> Alonzo
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@ftml.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Mutt and Gmail
>
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I use mutt too, but have always let it hand the outgoing stuff off to
>> exim4 for handling. Exim4 spools the outgoing items, so it you often
>> send with attachments, you don't have to wait while your MUA completes
>> the send. You also have /etc/email-addresses and /etc/aliases to help
>> adjusting your return address and routing your arrivals. If you have
>> not already done so, you might want to consider getmail to replace
>> fetchmail, if you are using it.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:26:46PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: RIPEMD160
>>>
>>> I looked at the exim logs and gmail was not mentioned anywhere;
>>> besides, I have mutt configured to go to gmail directly.  These later
>>> versions of mutt allow for direct smtp with appropriate ssl/tls
>>> encryption.  I don't know, but I fell back to using msmtp for the
>>> transport functions like I used to use and that works fine.  I wonder
>>> if it's got to do with the way mutt was configured/compiled for debian
>>> or what.  At least it works now even if I have to use an external
>>> component to move the mail.  Thanks for the idea though.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>>> > Steve,
>>> >
>>> > You are probably using exim4 to send your mail to a smart host. Look
>>> > at:
>>> >
>>> > /etc/exim4/passwd.client
>>> >
>>> > Chuck
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
>>> > >
>>> > > I've had mutt set up to work with gmail for some time now and all and
>>> > > all, it has worked quite well.  But lately after installing Debian
>>> > > some time after that I keep getting an error when trying to send mail
>>> > > to the gmail smtp server.
>>> > >
>>> > > No authenticators available
>>> > >
>>> > > I've checked out all the ssl and tls related packages; I can read 
>>> > > mail
>>> > > from gmail but I just can't seem to send anymore.  Are there any
>>> > > mutt/gmail users out there who might be able to shed a light on this
>>> > > matter?
>>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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>>> > >
>>> > > iEYEAREDAAYFAkkCGX0ACgkQWSjv55S0LfHLWQCgniV5rffW2PqVA1NvzAQbwwHu
>>> > > WRgAnRNyyqFlzd8q9vo9PGAEgnkxyEEI
>>> > > =/Ofr
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>>> >
>>> > My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: > 
>>> 1-518-334-9022.
>>> >                                 --------
>>> > It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever 
>>> > final.
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>
>> My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: 1-518-334-9022.
>>                                --------
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Re: Mutt and Gmail

[Christopher Moore]

Hello,
Here I'm using getmail and simple-smtp to handle receiving and sending 
mail.  For gmail, I have mutt set up to use imap.  It seems to be 
working fine for me.  I found an article on how to set it up.  I have a 
special config file for gmail which I call gmail-mutt.  When I want to 
use gmail I run mutt like this:
mutt -F gmail-mutt

For a single user system, sendmail and exim4 are overkill even though 
you can get them to work.

Chris
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:41:17AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
> 
> I never got therror concerning a mak database for exim.  I looked in
> the README files under the /usr/share/doc/exim4 for my instructions.
> Sorry, but right now I forget what I used to configure it; I suppose
> it was dpkg-reconfigure.  Sorry, I'm new to Debian so am still
> bouncing off the walls a bit.  I was a slackware user for over ten
> years so am more used to editing strait files.  I didn't find the docs
> to be all that confusing though.  In fact, one of the options in the
> config script enables me to hide the local machine name from my
> outgoing addresses and smart host over to my main mail server for non
> gmail activities.
> 
> As for configuring exim to have two different smart hosts depending on
> what from address was used, that goes way over my head and I doubt any
> debconf scripts cover that.  Plus AFAIK, exim doesn't handle ssl/tls
> encryption so that's why the need for either msmtp or mutt's internal
> smtp support.  Both of these latter items support gmail.  In fact, it
> is just recent that I ran into the situation that started this thread
> and that is mutt can't find any authenticators now when I use the
> internal smtp support but I can get them through msmtp OK.  Mutt's
> smtp support works great on my laptop which is still running under
> slackware 12.0.
> 
> Chuck, I don't use fetchmail or getmail on this box.  I use Gmail's
> IMAP support directly in Mutt.  It works pretty good too.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:47:15AM -0500, Alonzo wrote:
> > Hello chuck,
> >
> > I would like to use my AIM address for sending mail, however... i'm not  
> > exactly sure how to configure exim4 using debconf. I'm confused with the  
> > questions. so I've removed it for now until I have better documentation.
> > Also when I start up debian lenny, it complains about send mailno make  
> > database that i have to build it by hand. Anyone know what that's about?
> >
> > Alonzo
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@ftml.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Mutt and Gmail
> >
> >
> >> Steve,
> >>
> >> I use mutt too, but have always let it hand the outgoing stuff off to
> >> exim4 for handling. Exim4 spools the outgoing items, so it you often
> >> send with attachments, you don't have to wait while your MUA completes
> >> the send. You also have /etc/email-addresses and /etc/aliases to help
> >> adjusting your return address and routing your arrivals. If you have
> >> not already done so, you might want to consider getmail to replace
> >> fetchmail, if you are using it.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:26:46PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>> Hash: RIPEMD160
> >>>
> >>> I looked at the exim logs and gmail was not mentioned anywhere;
> >>> besides, I have mutt configured to go to gmail directly.  These later
> >>> versions of mutt allow for direct smtp with appropriate ssl/tls
> >>> encryption.  I don't know, but I fell back to using msmtp for the
> >>> transport functions like I used to use and that works fine.  I wonder
> >>> if it's got to do with the way mutt was configured/compiled for debian
> >>> or what.  At least it works now even if I have to use an external
> >>> component to move the mail.  Thanks for the idea though.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> >>> > Steve,
> >>> >
> >>> > You are probably using exim4 to send your mail to a smart host. Look
> >>> > at:
> >>> >
> >>> > /etc/exim4/passwd.client
> >>> >
> >>> > Chuck
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I've had mutt set up to work with gmail for some time now and all and
> >>> > > all, it has worked quite well.  But lately after installing Debian
> >>> > > some time after that I keep getting an error when trying to send mail
> >>> > > to the gmail smtp server.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > No authenticators available
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I've checked out all the ssl and tls related packages; I can read 
> >>> > > mail
> >>> > > from gmail but I just can't seem to send anymore.  Are there any
> >>> > > mutt/gmail users out there who might be able to shed a light on this
> >>> > > matter?
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> >>> >
> >>> > My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: > 
> >>> 1-518-334-9022.
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> >>
> >> My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: 1-518-334-9022.
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Re: Mutt and Gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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It sounds like simple-smtp may be quite similar to msmtp.  Do you use
it for both your normal and gmail?  I could probably do a similar
thing here and completely remove exim but I think exim might be needed
to support auto services like cron and other system utils that may
generate e-mail such as debsecan.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 04:24:44PM -0400, Christopher Moore wrote:
> Hello,
> Here I'm using getmail and simple-smtp to handle receiving and sending 
> mail.  For gmail, I have mutt set up to use imap.  It seems to be 
> working fine for me.  I found an article on how to set it up.  I have a 
> special config file for gmail which I call gmail-mutt.  When I want to 
> use gmail I run mutt like this:
> mutt -F gmail-mutt
> 
> For a single user system, sendmail and exim4 are overkill even though 
> you can get them to work.
> 
> Chris
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:41:17AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: RIPEMD160
> > 
> > I never got therror concerning a mak database for exim.  I looked in
> > the README files under the /usr/share/doc/exim4 for my instructions.
> > Sorry, but right now I forget what I used to configure it; I suppose
> > it was dpkg-reconfigure.  Sorry, I'm new to Debian so am still
> > bouncing off the walls a bit.  I was a slackware user for over ten
> > years so am more used to editing strait files.  I didn't find the docs
> > to be all that confusing though.  In fact, one of the options in the
> > config script enables me to hide the local machine name from my
> > outgoing addresses and smart host over to my main mail server for non
> > gmail activities.
> > 
> > As for configuring exim to have two different smart hosts depending on
> > what from address was used, that goes way over my head and I doubt any
> > debconf scripts cover that.  Plus AFAIK, exim doesn't handle ssl/tls
> > encryption so that's why the need for either msmtp or mutt's internal
> > smtp support.  Both of these latter items support gmail.  In fact, it
> > is just recent that I ran into the situation that started this thread
> > and that is mutt can't find any authenticators now when I use the
> > internal smtp support but I can get them through msmtp OK.  Mutt's
> > smtp support works great on my laptop which is still running under
> > slackware 12.0.
> > 
> > Chuck, I don't use fetchmail or getmail on this box.  I use Gmail's
> > IMAP support directly in Mutt.  It works pretty good too.
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:47:15AM -0500, Alonzo wrote:
> > > Hello chuck,
> > >
> > > I would like to use my AIM address for sending mail, however... i'm not  
> > > exactly sure how to configure exim4 using debconf. I'm confused with the  
> > > questions. so I've removed it for now until I have better documentation.
> > > Also when I start up debian lenny, it complains about send mailno make  
> > > database that i have to build it by hand. Anyone know what that's about?
> > >
> > > Alonzo
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@ftml.net>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:16 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Mutt and Gmail
> > >
> > >
> > >> Steve,
> > >>
> > >> I use mutt too, but have always let it hand the outgoing stuff off to
> > >> exim4 for handling. Exim4 spools the outgoing items, so it you often
> > >> send with attachments, you don't have to wait while your MUA completes
> > >> the send. You also have /etc/email-addresses and /etc/aliases to help
> > >> adjusting your return address and routing your arrivals. If you have
> > >> not already done so, you might want to consider getmail to replace
> > >> fetchmail, if you are using it.
> > >>
> > >> Chuck
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:26:46PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >>> Hash: RIPEMD160
> > >>>
> > >>> I looked at the exim logs and gmail was not mentioned anywhere;
> > >>> besides, I have mutt configured to go to gmail directly.  These later
> > >>> versions of mutt allow for direct smtp with appropriate ssl/tls
> > >>> encryption.  I don't know, but I fell back to using msmtp for the
> > >>> transport functions like I used to use and that works fine.  I wonder
> > >>> if it's got to do with the way mutt was configured/compiled for debian
> > >>> or what.  At least it works now even if I have to use an external
> > >>> component to move the mail.  Thanks for the idea though.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:56:46PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> > >>> > Steve,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > You are probably using exim4 to send your mail to a smart host. Look
> > >>> > at:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > /etc/exim4/passwd.client
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Chuck
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > >>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >>> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > I've had mutt set up to work with gmail for some time now and all and
> > >>> > > all, it has worked quite well.  But lately after installing Debian
> > >>> > > some time after that I keep getting an error when trying to send mail
> > >>> > > to the gmail smtp server.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > No authenticators available
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > I've checked out all the ssl and tls related packages; I can read 
> > >>> > > mail
> > >>> > > from gmail but I just can't seem to send anymore.  Are there any
> > >>> > > mutt/gmail users out there who might be able to shed a light on this
> > >>> > > matter?
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> > >>> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >>> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >>> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >>> >
> > >>> > -- > The Moon is Waning Crescent (17% of Full)
> > >>> >
> > >>> > My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: > 
> > >>> 1-518-334-9022.
> > >>> >                                 --------
> > >>> > It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever 
> > >>> > final.
> > >>> > _______________________________________________
> > >>> > Speakup mailing list
> > >>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> > >>> Speakup mailing list
> > >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >>
> > >> -- 
> > >> The Moon is Waning Crescent (3% of Full)
> > >>
> > >> My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: 1-518-334-9022.
> > >>                                --------
> > >> It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final.
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >>
> > >
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Re: Mutt and Gmail

[Kerry Hoath]

Let me tidy up a few small things here.
Exim4 does in deed support both tls and ssl for smarthosts and local smtp 
authentication.
You need to install
exim4-daemon-heavy
for the advanced authenticators, ldap and sql support.

You can configure your smarthost to authenticate with ssl and tls, might 
have to do it by hand by editing files in /etc/exim4.
I personally split the config into a whole pile of little files (option in 
dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config)

then you run
update-exim4.conf
when you edit the fragments.
monolythic is ok too but you end up editing a large file and it can be 
easier to make mistakes and harder to find what you want.

the heavy deamon also supports exiscan so you can set up stuff like spam 
assassin and clamav if that floats your boat.

If your current setup works for you probably no need to go through all this 
bother.
I'm just guarding against the statements that exim4 can't do ssl or tls; i'd 
hate those sorts of ideas to get stuck in the archives when they are in fact 
not the case.
apt-get install exim4-doc-html
is a good idea
or unzip the spec.txt file in /usr/share/doc/exim4

there's an intire manual there, something that few of us have the time to 
read in these busy days however it's nice to know it is there when you need 
it.
Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Mutt and Gmail


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> I never got therror concerning a mak database for exim.  I looked in
> the README files under the /usr/share/doc/exim4 for my instructions.
> Sorry, but right now I forget what I used to configure it; I suppose
> it was dpkg-reconfigure.  Sorry, I'm new to Debian so am still
> bouncing off the walls a bit.  I was a slackware user for over ten
> years so am more used to editing strait files.  I didn't find the docs
> to be all that confusing though.  In fact, one of the options in the
> config script enables me to hide the local machine name from my
> outgoing addresses and smart host over to my main mail server for non
> gmail activities.
>
> As for configuring exim to have two different smart hosts depending on
> what from address was used, that goes way over my head and I doubt any
> debconf scripts cover that.  Plus AFAIK, exim doesn't handle ssl/tls
> encryption so that's why the need for either msmtp or mutt's internal
> smtp support.  Both of these latter items support gmail.  In fact, it
> is just recent that I ran into the situation that started this thread
> and that is mutt can't find any authenticators now when I use the
> internal smtp support but I can get them through msmtp OK.  Mutt's
> smtp support works great on my laptop which is still running under
> slackware 12.0.
>
> Chuck, I don't use fetchmail or getmail on this box.  I use Gmail's
> IMAP support directly in Mutt.  It works pretty good too.
>

Re: Mutt and Gmail

[David Csercsics]

> It sounds like simple-smtp may be quite similar to msmtp.  Do you use
> it for both your normal and gmail?  I could probably do a similar
> thing here and completely remove exim but I think exim might be needed
> to support auto services like cron and other system utils that may
> generate e-mail such as debsecan.

It's not really *needed* but it's not a good idea to have cron mail
going to your ISP account I don't think.