Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

Just trying to catch up with my mail and I'm surprised of who this
thread has been treated.  I having moved all my mail handling over to a
Debian box, won't be infected by the current viruses.  I was just
attempting to establish some common sense and care for those who take an
interest in GNU/Linux.

Obviously, others have different ideas.  Please ramble on about MS
products and web sites but stop taking the piss and generate another
subject heading.

Gena

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Anyways, windows xp home is only $99, and that's pretty cheap for a ms
product.  I don't know anyone who'd want home though.
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Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> On Fri, 17 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > Well... You don't have to pay for the OS if you know what I mean...
There
> > are copies of winblows 2000 floating around here, and there's even more
on
> > the filesharing networks like gnutella or kazaa.
>
> Yes, but my statement holds true for the average user, because everyone
> says that that's the only way it can be done.
>
> Cheers.
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Well... You don't have to pay for the OS if you know what I mean... There
> are copies of winblows 2000 floating around here, and there's even more on
> the filesharing networks like gnutella or kazaa.

Yes, but my statement holds true for the average user, because everyone
says that that's the only way it can be done.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I would if I had one.  Thats what I'm looking for also.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> On Fri, 17 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > Well... You don't have to pay for the OS if you know what I mean...
There
> > are copies of winblows 2000 floating around here, and there's even more
on
> > the filesharing networks like gnutella or kazaa.
> ok, I'll tell ya what,
> you copy me an nt authorization diskette for jfw and I'll use win2k and/or
> xp just for the fun of it.
> Shaun..
>
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

This demonstrates how much you like Microcrap grin!

Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > Well... You don't have to pay for the OS if you know what I mean... There
> > are copies of winblows 2000 floating around here, and there's even more on
> > the filesharing networks like gnutella or kazaa.
> ok, I'll tell ya what,
> you copy me an nt authorization diskette for jfw and I'll use win2k and/or
> xp just for the fun of it.
> Shaun..
>
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Shaun Oliver]

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Well... You don't have to pay for the OS if you know what I mean... There
> are copies of winblows 2000 floating around here, and there's even more on
> the filesharing networks like gnutella or kazaa.
ok, I'll tell ya what,
you copy me an nt authorization diskette for jfw and I'll use win2k and/or
xp just for the fun of it.
Shaun..

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Well... You don't have to pay for the OS if you know what I mean... There
are copies of winblows 2000 floating around here, and there's even more on
the filesharing networks like gnutella or kazaa.
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To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> On Fri, 17 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> > Yes you're right.
> > However, in Windows 2000 you won't see so many Illegal operation error
> > messages.
>
> That maybe the case, but for JAWS users, that's an additional $500 or so,
> without the cost of the operating system itself.
>
> Cheers.
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Only 400 dollars in addition (if you live in some countries where it is
illegal to steal the key, and if you want to be legal :-)

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

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Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


On Fri, 17 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

> Yes you're right.
> However, in Windows 2000 you won't see so many Illegal operation error
> messages.

That maybe the case, but for JAWS users, that's an additional $500 or so,
without the cost of the operating system itself.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Thu, 16 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> I have heard that the gnutella network is good, but haven't had any luck
> with it.

It can be a bit flaky on a dial-up connection, you just need to know how
to handle it.

Feel free to mail me privately if you need/want assistance setting it up,
and that goes for everyone else as well, cos it rocks!
There are a few weaknesses in the protocol, like it's technically possible
for a modem to become the centre of a network of hosts, but I like it, and
have found almost all of what I wanted to find.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

> Yes you're right.
> However, in Windows 2000 you won't see so many Illegal operation error
> messages.

That maybe the case, but for JAWS users, that's an additional $500 or so,
without the cost of the operating system itself.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Yes that's great.

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Heil" <eheil@rcn.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Actually, Gnome 2.0 will have accessibility built in, as in support for
braille displays and software synths I think.  I also believe that its safe
to say that they might use Festival which is the best open-source software
synth available out there.  I know for a fact that I'll be really excited to
see what Gnome is like and also KDE 3.x or whatever version will have such
accessibility build in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Right again, but until a GUI will be accessible for the blind in the same
> conditions like in Windows (without requiring a hardware sinthesizer which
> is very expensive comparing it with a software one, Linux OS will stay
> behind, for the blind community, of course.
>
> It will be a good idea to start developing that graphical interface with
> accessibility in mind, something like the Microsoft active accessibility.
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita@home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> I think linux would be widely used if a windowslike gui was developed for
> it, so the average person could use it.  Also getting the message out that
> linux isn't just for developers or server admins would help.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > You're absolutely right.
> > I don't like Windows or Microsoft or Bill Gates, but Linux definitely
has
> > problems.
> > It is a lot much harder to use than Windows.
> >
> > If it would be  such a great OS, more people would use Linux not
Windows.
> > And in addition, it is free.
> >
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita@home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi all.
> > What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config
files
> > (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in
the
> > sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> > confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of
there
> > confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> > that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a
> second
> > look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> > you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also,
> why
> > should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple
> "print"
> > command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> > these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> > should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> > /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html
> in
> > email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than
have
> to
> > copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx
> anyway.
> > It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't
interpret
> > java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.
> Also,
> > you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> > right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> > have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> > another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile
support
> > into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from
beeing
> > hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila!
my
> > network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> > profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial
goal,
> > so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who
> is
> > working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make
good
> > software.
> > That's just my 2 cents.
> > Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> > windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine,
> who
> > will be glad to support my point.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find
> the
> > > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I
> hate
> > > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > > pieces.
> > > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> > files?
> > > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way
> to
> > > stop
> > > > this?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the
> days
> > > back
> > > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail
(late
> > > 80's
> > > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > > >
> > > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > > against viruses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > > elements
> > > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> > messages
> > > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux
dangers
> > > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text
section,
> > > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain
> text
> > > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply
> to
> > a
> > > > message
> > > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> > messages
> > > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are
the
> > > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really
haven't
> > > been
> > > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it
> was
> > an
> > > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would
favor
> a
> > > > blockage
> > > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some
people
> > > still
> > > > use
> > > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina'
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to
transmit
> > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > > messages
> > > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have your say:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Erik Heil]

Actually, Gnome 2.0 will have accessibility built in, as in support for
braille displays and software synths I think.  I also believe that its safe
to say that they might use Festival which is the best open-source software
synth available out there.  I know for a fact that I'll be really excited to
see what Gnome is like and also KDE 3.x or whatever version will have such
accessibility build in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Right again, but until a GUI will be accessible for the blind in the same
> conditions like in Windows (without requiring a hardware sinthesizer which
> is very expensive comparing it with a software one, Linux OS will stay
> behind, for the blind community, of course.
>
> It will be a good idea to start developing that graphical interface with
> accessibility in mind, something like the Microsoft active accessibility.
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita@home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> I think linux would be widely used if a windowslike gui was developed for
> it, so the average person could use it.  Also getting the message out that
> linux isn't just for developers or server admins would help.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > You're absolutely right.
> > I don't like Windows or Microsoft or Bill Gates, but Linux definitely
has
> > problems.
> > It is a lot much harder to use than Windows.
> >
> > If it would be  such a great OS, more people would use Linux not
Windows.
> > And in addition, it is free.
> >
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita@home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi all.
> > What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config
files
> > (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in
the
> > sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> > confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of
there
> > confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> > that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a
> second
> > look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> > you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also,
> why
> > should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple
> "print"
> > command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> > these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> > should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> > /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html
> in
> > email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than
have
> to
> > copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx
> anyway.
> > It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't
interpret
> > java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.
> Also,
> > you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> > right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> > have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> > another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile
support
> > into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from
beeing
> > hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila!
my
> > network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> > profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial
goal,
> > so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who
> is
> > working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make
good
> > software.
> > That's just my 2 cents.
> > Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> > windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine,
> who
> > will be glad to support my point.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find
> the
> > > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I
> hate
> > > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > > pieces.
> > > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> > files?
> > > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way
> to
> > > stop
> > > > this?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the
> days
> > > back
> > > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail
(late
> > > 80's
> > > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > > >
> > > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > > against viruses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > > elements
> > > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> > messages
> > > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux
dangers
> > > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text
section,
> > > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain
> text
> > > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply
> to
> > a
> > > > message
> > > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> > messages
> > > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are
the
> > > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really
haven't
> > > been
> > > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it
> was
> > an
> > > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would
favor
> a
> > > > blockage
> > > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some
people
> > > still
> > > > use
> > > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina'
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to
transmit
> > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > > messages
> > > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online
www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> > > > 144169465
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Yes you're right.
However, in Windows 2000 you won't see so many Illegal operation error
messages.
In fact, you won't see anyone. You will see another error. <smile>
But BTW,  I had some errors in Linux also, when trying to upload a file with
SSH. So Linux is not 100% stable either.

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


My blood is boiling now!

Ms - good software?  I don't think so!!! I got three "illegal
operations last night in the space of a few minutes and I had to
reboot my computer every time!

Linux developers don't get paid so no incentive to write good software
- they write crappy software?   WRONG!  Free software is far more
innovative and grows faster than any of the proprietary commercial
stuff out there.

The comments below reflect the MS line all the way! "Free software is
a threat to our existance" and "Everyone should use secret proprietary
software that they cannot fix or modify even if they know how and want
to>"

Sorry, this has nothing to do with Speakup, a very fine and *FREE*
screen to help blind people use that great free Linux operating
system.

BTW, I forgot to mention up there that my Linux environment has
*NEVER* crashed - rock solid!!!

On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 08:15:05PM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> Hi all.
> What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
> (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
> sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
> confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a
second
> look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also,
why
> should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple
"print"
> command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html
in
> email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have
to
> copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx
anyway.
> It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
> java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.
Also,
> you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
> into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
> hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
> network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
> so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who
is
> working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
> software.
> That's just my 2 cents.
> Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine,
who
> will be glad to support my point.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find
the
> > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I
hate
> > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > pieces.
> > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> files?
> > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way
to
> > stop
> > > this?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the
days
> > back
> > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> > 80's
> > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > >
> > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > against viruses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > elements
> > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> messages
> > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain
text
> > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply
to
> a
> > > message
> > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> messages
> > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> > been
> > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it
was
> an
> > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor
a
> > > blockage
> > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> > still
> > > use
> > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > messages
> > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> > > 144169465
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
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> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Oh, please calm down.
You haven't reply to my message, but I think I am in the same situation.

I am subscribed because I use Linux and Windows and I don't know Linux.
I want to learn it first. But I think it is something stupid to say that an
Operating system is better than another, or a programming language is better
than another, or ...

They all are good for a task.
If you want to do graphic design and multimedia editing, Windows is better
than Linux, but if you want to do web site management, Linux is better.
We should take what is better from all OS's, and not to say that "my system
is good, yours is bad."

Just because this is a list for Linux users doesn't mean that all users
should think that Linux is the best system in the world in all the fields.

Best regards.

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Please do us a favour and unsubscribe or go
expound the virtues of windows to people who have chosen to run it.
We don't care who has converted back to Windows or why;
we simply run Linux because it does what we want it to; we
have the skill to configure it and it works
for us. Also it doesn't hurt our pocketbook.
Yes Windows is easy to use; but I have the skill knowledge
and ability to use the power that Linux puts in my hands.
You choose not to use LInux for your own reasons, and that is your choice.
Why pray; are you still subscribed to the speakup list?

Regards, Kerry.
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 08:15:05PM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> Hi all.
> What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
> (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
> sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
> confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a
second
> look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also,
why
> should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple
"print"
> command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html
in
> email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have
to
> copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx
anyway.
> It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
> java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.
Also,
> you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
> into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
> hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
> network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
> so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who
is
> working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
> software.
> That's just my 2 cents.
> Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine,
who
> will be glad to support my point.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find
the
> > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I
hate
> > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > pieces.
> > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> files?
> > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way
to
> > stop
> > > this?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the
days
> > back
> > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> > 80's
> > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > >
> > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > against viruses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > elements
> > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> messages
> > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain
text
> > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply
to
> a
> > > message
> > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> messages
> > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> > been
> > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it
was
> an
> > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor
a
> > > blockage
> > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> > still
> > > use
> > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > messages
> > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> > > 144169465
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Right again, but until a GUI will be accessible for the blind in the same
conditions like in Windows (without requiring a hardware sinthesizer which
is very expensive comparing it with a software one, Linux OS will stay
behind, for the blind community, of course.

It will be a good idea to start developing that graphical interface with
accessibility in mind, something like the Microsoft active accessibility.

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


I think linux would be widely used if a windowslike gui was developed for
it, so the average person could use it.  Also getting the message out that
linux isn't just for developers or server admins would help.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> You're absolutely right.
> I don't like Windows or Microsoft or Bill Gates, but Linux definitely has
> problems.
> It is a lot much harder to use than Windows.
>
> If it would be  such a great OS, more people would use Linux not Windows.
> And in addition, it is free.
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita@home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi all.
> What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
> (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
> sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
> confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a
second
> look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also,
why
> should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple
"print"
> command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html
in
> email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have
to
> copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx
anyway.
> It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
> java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.
Also,
> you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
> into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
> hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
> network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
> so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who
is
> working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
> software.
> That's just my 2 cents.
> Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine,
who
> will be glad to support my point.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find
the
> > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I
hate
> > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > pieces.
> > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> files?
> > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way
to
> > stop
> > > this?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the
days
> > back
> > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> > 80's
> > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > >
> > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > against viruses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > elements
> > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> messages
> > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain
text
> > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply
to
> a
> > > message
> > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> messages
> > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> > been
> > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it
was
> an
> > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor
a
> > > blockage
> > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> > still
> > > use
> > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > messages
> > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> > > 144169465
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
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> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> >
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> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Try installing OE 6 or the patches for 5.5.
Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Yeah my version 5.5 does that, only after the virus has activated!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> If you have Internet Explorer and Outlook Express 6 with all the necessary
> patches, if a virus will try to automaticly open itself, Outlook Express
> will ask you if you want to open it or save it to hard disk.
> You can choose to save to hard disk, but if you also have Norton, it will
> clean the file, or move it to quarantine.
>
> If you want to disable the Active X, go to Tools menu, choose options, go
to
> privacy tab, choose "restricted sites from those radio buttons.
> Then go to Control Panel/Internet Options/Privacy page, select restricted
> sites and change the settings for that area for not to have Active X, or
> other things you want.
>
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita@home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi All,
> I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
pieces.
> How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the files?
> Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
stop
> this?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
back
> > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
80's
> > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> >
> > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Kerry,
> > >
> > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > against viruses.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> elements
> > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > exist as well.
> > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
> message
> > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > real problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
been
> > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> blockage
> > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
still
> use
> > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> Windows
> > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
messages
> > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> 144169465
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Gnucleus, good opensource client for winblows. Works great for winblows users, I haveit on my laptop
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> I have heard that the gnutella network is good, but haven't had any luck
> with it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> >
> > > Let's see... visual studio enterprise, partition magic, norton system
> works
> > > 2002 pro, frontpage, You name it, It got it from kazaa.  It's one of the
> > > best file sharing networks for winblows. Hell, you can even get winblows
> > > from it!
> >
> > You can get cracked XP from the Gnutella network.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > --
> > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > ICQ: #61744808
> >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Now that I'm building a linux box, I'm so glad I didn't chuck all those 72
pin simms!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Yeah, I do the same. You wouldn't believe how handy old parts may be at
times.
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 05:04:10PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I never throu out a whole computer.  If it's too old to use, I take it
apart
> > and use the parts in other machines.  The most I'll through out is maybe
a
> > 386 mainboard.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hmmm, how did you loose it?
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:58:36AM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > > > Let's put it this way... I've got contacts in ms tech support who 1.
are
> > > > blind and former linux and who knows what other os users, and 2.
taught
> > me
> > > > half the stuff I know about computers.  The other half I had to read
and
> > > > experiment, thereby loosing my first computer after a year.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:04 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > as Bryan said, "it's not the hardware, but the os setup"  your
> > version
> > > > of xp
> > > > > > is setup wrong probably.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, you don't, per chance, work for Microsoft Tech Support, do
you?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > > > ICQ: #61744808
> > > > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > > > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

Yeah, I do the same. You wouldn't believe how handy old parts may be at times.
Greg


On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 05:04:10PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I never throu out a whole computer.  If it's too old to use, I take it apart
> and use the parts in other machines.  The most I'll through out is maybe a
> 386 mainboard.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > Hmmm, how did you loose it?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:58:36AM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > > Let's put it this way... I've got contacts in ms tech support who 1. are
> > > blind and former linux and who knows what other os users, and 2. taught
> me
> > > half the stuff I know about computers.  The other half I had to read and
> > > experiment, thereby loosing my first computer after a year.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > as Bryan said, "it's not the hardware, but the os setup"  your
> version
> > > of xp
> > > > > is setup wrong probably.
> > > >
> > > > Hey, you don't, per chance, work for Microsoft Tech Support, do you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > > ICQ: #61744808
> > > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
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> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Oh yeah, and my favorite one is "but I new the sender's email... they
wouldn't send me an email like that!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> SNIP
> > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
files?
> > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
stop
> > this?
>
> Norton's anti-virus 2002 picks up the virus or malicious code before you
> even open your email.
> I guess this is due to all those people who don't know any better out
> there opening their email and wondering why their machine dies.
> Shaun.
>
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I never throu out a whole computer.  If it's too old to use, I take it apart
and use the parts in other machines.  The most I'll through out is maybe a
386 mainboard.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hmmm, how did you loose it?
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:58:36AM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > Let's put it this way... I've got contacts in ms tech support who 1. are
> > blind and former linux and who knows what other os users, and 2. taught
me
> > half the stuff I know about computers.  The other half I had to read and
> > experiment, thereby loosing my first computer after a year.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > >
> > > > as Bryan said, "it's not the hardware, but the os setup"  your
version
> > of xp
> > > > is setup wrong probably.
> > >
> > > Hey, you don't, per chance, work for Microsoft Tech Support, do you?
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > ICQ: #61744808
> > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

You could've put a new power suply in it.  I have plenty of power supplies
lying around, and if it was me I'd just replace it and put linux on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> So you using that pc as an example of your lerning has nothing to
> do with Linux or Windows.  YOu just threw it in for the hell of it.
>  The fact is that if the power failed on it it would not have made
> a difference whether it had Linux or Windows on it.
>
> Speaking of making good Linux boxes.  My old p133 with 32 megs of ram
> and a 1 gb hard drive has much better use now than it ever did when I
> had windows on it.  If runs windows 95 on it but that is not supported
> any mor.  However I can easily put on it kernel 2.4.18 and use it as a
> very nice client machine under Linux.  How about that?
>
> Ameer Armaly said the
> following on Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:35:00PM -0400:
> > The ppower stopped working for some reason.  Would've made quite a linux
> > box.
>
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Raul A. Gallegos]

So you using that pc as an example of your lerning has nothing to
do with Linux or Windows.  YOu just threw it in for the hell of it. 
 The fact is that if the power failed on it it would not have made
a difference whether it had Linux or Windows on it.

Speaking of making good Linux boxes.  My old p133 with 32 megs of ram
and a 1 gb hard drive has much better use now than it ever did when I
had windows on it.  If runs windows 95 on it but that is not supported
any mor.  However I can easily put on it kernel 2.4.18 and use it as a
very nice client machine under Linux.  How about that?

Ameer Armaly said the
following on Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:35:00PM -0400:
> The ppower stopped working for some reason.  Would've made quite a linux
> box.

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ameer Armaly]

The ppower stopped working for some reason.  Would've made quite a linux
box.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hmmm, how did you loose it?
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:58:36AM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > Let's put it this way... I've got contacts in ms tech support who 1. are
> > blind and former linux and who knows what other os users, and 2. taught
me
> > half the stuff I know about computers.  The other half I had to read and
> > experiment, thereby loosing my first computer after a year.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > >
> > > > as Bryan said, "it's not the hardware, but the os setup"  your
version
> > of xp
> > > > is setup wrong probably.
> > >
> > > Hey, you don't, per chance, work for Microsoft Tech Support, do you?
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > ICQ: #61744808
> > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

In the event of an infection, it is necessary to establish the route of
infection.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>I don't understand what you mean by "everyone can cancel out the list as a
>means of infection. "
>
>Teddy,
>orasnita@home.ro
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:40 PM
>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>Hi
>
>I think that you miss the point, if the list stripped the html and java
>script from any messages that are received to the list for transmission
>everyone can cancel out the list as a means of infection.
>
>Gena
>
>
>
>Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>
>>The viruses send themselves even the Windows users set to text only.
>>There are viruses that don't even need a mail client for sending a mail.
>>Teddy,
>>orasnita@home.ro
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>
>>
>>No way. Windblows users should set their mail clients to send mail in plain
>>text (grin).
>>Greg
>>
>>
>>On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:57:09PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
>>> No way!
>>>
>>> Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
>>> lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion!
>>>
>>>
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>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
>>> > Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
>>> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi All
>>> >
>>> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>>> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>>> > restricted to plain text only?
>>> >
>>> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>>> >
>>> > Gena
>>> >
>>> > Have your say:
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>>> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
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>>> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

Hmmm, how did you loose it?
Greg


On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:58:36AM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> Let's put it this way... I've got contacts in ms tech support who 1. are
> blind and former linux and who knows what other os users, and 2. taught me
> half the stuff I know about computers.  The other half I had to read and
> experiment, thereby loosing my first computer after a year.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> >
> > > as Bryan said, "it's not the hardware, but the os setup"  your version
> of xp
> > > is setup wrong probably.
> >
> > Hey, you don't, per chance, work for Microsoft Tech Support, do you?
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > --
> > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > ICQ: #61744808
> >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[TALMAGE]

Hi,

Wow, what a nice bit of PR for MicroSoft.  Trying to get a job working with
your friend eh?

Well I know I'd much rather check a confusing check box, with absolutely no
explanation of what it does.

I also have to say, I love those arbitrary statements like everybody knows
it, Windows rules...'
Who is this everybody you refer to?  Has anybody mentioned this to Apple?

You mention your friend at MS agreeing with you on this.  Well that
revelation comes under the category of da!
As far as the wonderful print command in MS-DOS, are you talking about the
print command Microsoft ditched about 5 versions ago?

You go on to mention all the things you need to do to keep from getting
hacked in Linux.  These steps are the ones you should be doing in Windows,
but can't because MS won't let you.  This is unique, I think it is the
first time I've ever heard of anyone singing the praises of Windows
security over Linux on systems that have been set up correctly.  That is
aside from MS of course.
The motto of Windows security should be 'ignorance is bliss.'  Try finding
out what app is accessing the Internet at any specific time in Windows.
Good luck!

If you have never had any trouble with the sound card driver in Windows you
should consider yourself lucky!  Sound card drivers and modem drivers have
been the bain of my existence at times in Windows.  I particularly enjoy it
when Windows plug and play decides it wants to assign my sound card to the
same interrupt as 3 or 4 other devices.  With 1 of the other devices not
wanting to play nicely with my sound card or modem.  These 3rd party
drivers are of course always so well written because of Microsoft's well
known efforts to make standards and design features available to other
developers.  
Right!  If you believe that, I have a bridge for sale you might be
interested in.

Regarding the crappy software, please get real.  When I use my Windows
system I get the wonderful benefit of seeing that dazzling blue screen of
death at least 2 or 3 times a day, or at least I would get to enjoy its
shades of blue if I could see it.  
Ask a linux user the last time their system crashed.  They would probably
have to consult the calendar, and an old one at that.

Dave

At 08:15 PM 5/15/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
>(which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
>sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
>confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
>confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
>that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a second
>look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
>you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also, why
>should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple "print"
>command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
>these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
>should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
>/etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html in
>email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have to
>copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx anyway.
>It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
>java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.  Also,
>you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
>right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
>have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
>another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
>into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
>hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
>network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
>profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
>so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who is
>working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
>software.
>That's just my 2 cents.
>Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
>windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine, who
>will be glad to support my point.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>> If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find the
>> right tab in those huge properties forms.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>
>>
>> Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I hate
>> about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
>> pieces.
>> > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
>files?
>> > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
>> stop
>> > this?
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
>> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
>> back
>> > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
>> 80's
>> > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
>> > >
>> > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Kerry,
>> > > >
>> > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
>> > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
>> > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
>> > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
>> > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
>> > > > against viruses.
>> > > >
>> > > > Chuck
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
>> > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
>> > elements
>> > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
>> > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
>messages
>> > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
>> > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
>> > > > > exist as well.
>> > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
>> > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
>> > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
>> > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
>> > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
>> > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to
>a
>> > message
>> > > > > in the format it was received in.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards, Kerry.
>> > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
>wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
>messages
>> > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
>> > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
>> > > > > > real problem.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
>> been
>> > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was
>an
>> > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
>> > blockage
>> > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
>> still
>> > use
>> > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Hi All
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
>> > Windows
>> > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
>> messages
>> > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Gena
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Have your say:
>> > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
>> > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
>> > 144169465
>> > > > > > > >
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>> > > > > > >
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>> > > > > > --
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Shaun Oliver]

please note: comments are in the message below.

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ameer Armaly wrote:

> Hi all.
> What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
> (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
> sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
> confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a second
>
look.
First of all, the config files are commented to aid in not only debugging
but also setting up the process one wishes to run.
As for the confusingness of drivers, what's so confusing about that? if
you stripped microsoft's windows operating system down to it's basic
components, you'll find that it's more than likely unix based. This is
what shits me about people. They whinge and whine about "I'm being screwed
by microsoft! My Screen Reader won't do this or that!"
for god sakes people if you don't want to move away from windows because
you're too scared you'll break something, then what in the world are you
doing here?

 My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also, why
> should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple "print"
> command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html in
> email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have to
> copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx anyway.
> It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
> java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.  Also,
> you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> have a sound card, and it just does the rest.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! in the case of the sb_live you still need to install
creative's own drivers for full functionality of the card.
What's wrong with cat as apposed to print? who cares how you do things
under GNU/Linux just as long as you can get the job done! JESUS!
And what about lynx? instead of posting this diotribe to the list, why
don't you get off your ass and code the damned support in? oh and how many
back doors does internet explorer have? how many times can you safely say
that lynx has seg-faulted in one session? And can you be serious about
html in email?
Haven't you learned a thing? with pine you can specify how you deal with
urls in email messages and not only that what bloody browser to use,
for christ sakes man!

  Also, home networking is
> another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
> into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
> hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
> network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
> so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who is
> working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
> software.
Oh I see a stooge ladies and gentlemen, we have a bloody microslop stooge
in our midst.
home networking under Gnu/Linux is easy. sure you could compile the
support in but why bother when all you need to do is build only for what
you have and what you need and then if you're as smart a person as you
think you are, you configure the network using the various shell scripts
that are on offer.
And as for being hacked, that's just as much an issue under windows as
under linux. difference is linux is totally customizable you can set
things up exactly how you want from the ground up. can you do that with
windows? you bloody fool, of course you can't.
Oh so the people that write code for GNU/LInux write crappy software? I've
never seen any evidence of it,
my god man do us all a favour and don't try to convert us back to
proprietory crap and don't bother trying to tell us that microsoft code
good software cause it's just not true. Once microsoft have a good thing,
they bugger it up.

 > That's
just my 2 cents. > Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine, who
> will be glad to support my point.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find the
> > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I hate
> > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > pieces.
> > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> files?
> > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
> > stop
> > > this?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
> > back
> > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> > 80's
> > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > >
> > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > against viruses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > elements
> > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> messages
> > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to
> a
> > > message
> > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> messages
> > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> > been
> > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was
> an
> > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> > > blockage
> > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> > still
> > > use
> > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > messages
> > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
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> > > > > > > --
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Shaun Oliver]

SNIP
> How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the files?
> Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to stop
> this?

Norton's anti-virus 2002 picks up the virus or malicious code before you
even open your email.
I guess this is due to all those people who don't know any better out
there opening their email and wondering why their machine dies.
Shaun.

RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Dawes, Stephen]

This is not the case.

I was just looking for this very thing yesterday, and the results from a
google search were somewhat surprising.

Steps to duplicate:
goto:
www.google.com/linux
Enter the search string:
antivirus

and you will see what I mean. 
Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
> [mailto:wacker@octothorp.org]
> Sent: 2002 May 15 5:40 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms' 
> 
> 
> 
> The only anti-virus software that I'm aware of for Unix 
> systems is meant 
> to be run on mail-servers in order to cleanse all email messages of 
> viruses 
> thereby protecting *windows* systems that might be connected to the 
> local network.
> 
> 
> 
>           Bill
> 
> 
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> > 
> > Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> > such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> > will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> > write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps 
> the antivirus
> > software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> > they're producing their products to run under Unix type 
> systems and more
> > have appeared on the market.
> >  
> > I understand that the structure is suposed to be more solid 
> but that's
> > no reason to be complacent.  If someone wants to get in 
> they will do so.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > 
> > >On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > >
> > >> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
> > >> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
> > >Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.
> > >
> > >> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  
> Because such
> > >> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in 
> the future.  
> > >> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
> > >Please explain how you envision this unfolding.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >          Bill in Denver
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Steve Holmes]

My blood is boiling now!

Ms - good software?  I don't think so!!! I got three "illegal
operations last night in the space of a few minutes and I had to
reboot my computer every time!

Linux developers don't get paid so no incentive to write good software
- they write crappy software?   WRONG!  Free software is far more
innovative and grows faster than any of the proprietary commercial
stuff out there.

The comments below reflect the MS line all the way! "Free software is
a threat to our existance" and "Everyone should use secret proprietary
software that they cannot fix or modify even if they know how and want
to>"

Sorry, this has nothing to do with Speakup, a very fine and *FREE*
screen to help blind people use that great free Linux operating
system.  

BTW, I forgot to mention up there that my Linux environment has
*NEVER* crashed - rock solid!!!

On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 08:15:05PM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> Hi all.
> What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
> (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
> sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
> confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a second
> look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also, why
> should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple "print"
> command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html in
> email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have to
> copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx anyway.
> It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
> java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.  Also,
> you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
> into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
> hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
> network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
> so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who is
> working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
> software.
> That's just my 2 cents.
> Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine, who
> will be glad to support my point.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find the
> > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I hate
> > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > pieces.
> > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> files?
> > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
> > stop
> > > this?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
> > back
> > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> > 80's
> > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > >
> > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > against viruses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > elements
> > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> messages
> > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to
> a
> > > message
> > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> messages
> > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> > been
> > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was
> an
> > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> > > blockage
> > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> > still
> > > use
> > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > messages
> > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> > > 144169465
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Kerry Hoath]

Please do us a favour and unsubscribe or go
expound the virtues of windows to people who have chosen to run it.
We don't care who has converted back to Windows or why;
we simply run Linux because it does what we want it to; we
have the skill to configure it and it works
for us. Also it doesn't hurt our pocketbook.
Yes Windows is easy to use; but I have the skill knowledge
and ability to use the power that Linux puts in my hands.
You choose not to use LInux for your own reasons, and that is your choice.
Why pray; are you still subscribed to the speakup list?

Regards, Kerry.
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 08:15:05PM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> Hi all.
> What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
> (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
> sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
> confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a second
> look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also, why
> should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple "print"
> command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html in
> email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have to
> copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx anyway.
> It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
> java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.  Also,
> you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
> into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
> hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
> network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
> so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who is
> working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
> software.
> That's just my 2 cents.
> Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine, who
> will be glad to support my point.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find the
> > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I hate
> > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > pieces.
> > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> files?
> > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
> > stop
> > > this?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
> > back
> > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> > 80's
> > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > >
> > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > against viruses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > elements
> > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> messages
> > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to
> a
> > > message
> > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> messages
> > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> > been
> > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was
> an
> > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> > > blockage
> > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> > still
> > > use
> > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > messages
> > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have your say:
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ameer Armaly]

Let's put it this way... I've got contacts in ms tech support who 1. are
blind and former linux and who knows what other os users, and 2. taught me
half the stuff I know about computers.  The other half I had to read and
experiment, thereby loosing my first computer after a year.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ameer Armaly wrote:
>
> > as Bryan said, "it's not the hardware, but the os setup"  your version
of xp
> > is setup wrong probably.
>
> Hey, you don't, per chance, work for Microsoft Tech Support, do you?
>
>
> Cheers.
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I think linux would be widely used if a windowslike gui was developed for
it, so the average person could use it.  Also getting the message out that
linux isn't just for developers or server admins would help.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> You're absolutely right.
> I don't like Windows or Microsoft or Bill Gates, but Linux definitely has
> problems.
> It is a lot much harder to use than Windows.
>
> If it would be  such a great OS, more people would use Linux not Windows.
> And in addition, it is free.
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita@home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi all.
> What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
> (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
> sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
> confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a
second
> look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also,
why
> should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple
"print"
> command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html
in
> email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have
to
> copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx
anyway.
> It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
> java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.
Also,
> you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
> into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
> hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
> network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
> so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who
is
> working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
> software.
> That's just my 2 cents.
> Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine,
who
> will be glad to support my point.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find
the
> > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I
hate
> > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > pieces.
> > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> files?
> > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way
to
> > stop
> > > this?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the
days
> > back
> > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> > 80's
> > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > >
> > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > against viruses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > elements
> > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> messages
> > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain
text
> > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply
to
> a
> > > message
> > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> messages
> > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> > been
> > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it
was
> an
> > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor
a
> > > blockage
> > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> > still
> > > use
> > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > messages
> > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Yeah my version 5.5 does that, only after the virus has activated!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> If you have Internet Explorer and Outlook Express 6 with all the necessary
> patches, if a virus will try to automaticly open itself, Outlook Express
> will ask you if you want to open it or save it to hard disk.
> You can choose to save to hard disk, but if you also have Norton, it will
> clean the file, or move it to quarantine.
>
> If you want to disable the Active X, go to Tools menu, choose options, go
to
> privacy tab, choose "restricted sites from those radio buttons.
> Then go to Control Panel/Internet Options/Privacy page, select restricted
> sites and change the settings for that area for not to have Active X, or
> other things you want.
>
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita@home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi All,
> I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
pieces.
> How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the files?
> Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
stop
> this?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
back
> > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
80's
> > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> >
> > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Kerry,
> > >
> > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > against viruses.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> elements
> > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > exist as well.
> > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
> message
> > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > real problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
been
> > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> blockage
> > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
still
> use
> > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> Windows
> > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
messages
> > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> 144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I haven't used dos since 5.0.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Igor -
> >
> > I was not aware of that, although it does not surprise me. I do
> > not use Windows here - I have no MS products at all on this
> > machine. My HD has a DOS partition but it is the Caldera OpenDOS
> > (DR DOS) and not MS.
>
> Yeah, I can honestly say that I haven't used MS DOS since v3.3 that was on
> an old college lap top.
>
> hen I got my first 486, I asked for no operating system, and installed
> NWDOS as it was at the time.  Then, when my lap top arrived with MSDOS and
> Win3.11 pre-installed, I trashed it and put NWDOS7 on that as well.
>
> Cheers.
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I have heard that the gnutella network is good, but haven't had any luck
with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > Let's see... visual studio enterprise, partition magic, norton system
works
> > 2002 pro, frontpage, You name it, It got it from kazaa.  It's one of the
> > best file sharing networks for winblows. Hell, you can even get winblows
> > from it!
>
> You can get cracked XP from the Gnutella network.
>
> Cheers.
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ameer Armaly wrote:

> as Bryan said, "it's not the hardware, but the os setup"  your version of xp
> is setup wrong probably.

Hey, you don't, per chance, work for Microsoft Tech Support, do you?


Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Let's see... visual studio enterprise, partition magic, norton system works
> 2002 pro, frontpage, You name it, It got it from kazaa.  It's one of the
> best file sharing networks for winblows. Hell, you can even get winblows
> from it!

You can get cracked XP from the Gnutella network.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> Thanks, Igor -
>
> I was not aware of that, although it does not surprise me. I do
> not use Windows here - I have no MS products at all on this
> machine. My HD has a DOS partition but it is the Caldera OpenDOS
> (DR DOS) and not MS.

Yeah, I can honestly say that I haven't used MS DOS since v3.3 that was on
an old college lap top.

hen I got my first 486, I asked for no operating system, and installed
NWDOS as it was at the time.  Then, when my lap top arrived with MSDOS and
Win3.11 pre-installed, I trashed it and put NWDOS7 on that as well.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> The best, best thing is to kill everything in inetd.conf that you don't use.

Yup, at the moment inetd doesn't come up on my system, no use for it, that
may change, but I've already got hosts.deny and hosts.allow set up, and
I'll use iptables to handle the rest, even to stipulate that only I can
access most ports, even root won't be able to get out on most ports.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Well the best thing is to kill the telnet daemond If you don't need it since
> that blocks one of the ways into your system that hackers like.

Well, unfortunately, I can't shut down a system that's never been up.
*grin*

Oh yeh, I used nmap on my system.  Only ports are 22 25 and some port
whenever I'm running icq.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

I don't understand what you mean by "everyone can cancel out the list as a
means of infection. "

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi

I think that you miss the point, if the list stripped the html and java
script from any messages that are received to the list for transmission
everyone can cancel out the list as a means of infection.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>The viruses send themselves even the Windows users set to text only.
>There are viruses that don't even need a mail client for sending a mail.
>Teddy,
>orasnita@home.ro
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>No way. Windblows users should set their mail clients to send mail in plain
>text (grin).
>Greg
>
>
>On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:57:09PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
>> No way!
>>
>> Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
>> lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
>>
>> Just my opinion!
>>
>>
>> Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
>> The City of Calgary
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>> Phone: (403) 268-5527
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>> error,
>> please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete
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>>
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
>> > Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
>> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>> > restricted to plain text only?
>> >
>> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>> >
>> > Gena
>> >
>> > Have your say:
>> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>> >
>> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

If you have Internet Explorer and Outlook Express 6 with all the necessary
patches, if a virus will try to automaticly open itself, Outlook Express
will ask you if you want to open it or save it to hard disk.
You can choose to save to hard disk, but if you also have Norton, it will
clean the file, or move it to quarantine.

If you want to disable the Active X, go to Tools menu, choose options, go to
privacy tab, choose "restricted sites from those radio buttons.
Then go to Control Panel/Internet Options/Privacy page, select restricted
sites and change the settings for that area for not to have Active X, or
other things you want.


Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi All,
I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in pieces.
How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the files?
Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to stop
this?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days back
> when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late 80's
> early 90's). Those were the good days!
>
> Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> > Hi Kerry,
> >
> > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > against viruses.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> >
> > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
elements
> > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > exist as well.
> > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
message
> > > in the format it was received in.
> > >
> > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > real problem.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
blockage
> > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still
use
> > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
Windows
> > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gena
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

You're absolutely right.
I don't like Windows or Microsoft or Bill Gates, but Linux definitely has
problems.
It is a lot much harder to use than Windows.

If it would be  such a great OS, more people would use Linux not Windows.
And in addition, it is free.

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi all.
What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
(which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a second
look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also, why
should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple "print"
command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
/etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html in
email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have to
copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx anyway.
It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.  Also,
you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who is
working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
software.
That's just my 2 cents.
Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine, who
will be glad to support my point.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find the
> right tab in those huge properties forms.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I hate
> about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Hi All,
> > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> pieces.
> > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
files?
> > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
> stop
> > this?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
> back
> > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> 80's
> > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > >
> > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > >
> > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > against viruses.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > elements
> > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
messages
> > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to
a
> > message
> > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
messages
> > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> been
> > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was
an
> > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> > blockage
> > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> still
> > use
> > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > Windows
> > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> messages
> > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> > 144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

That's a good idea anyway, but this won't prevent virus spreading.

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc@MIT.EDU>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Yes, restricting the list to text-only messages might be usful. Let's do it!

                    Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: 14 May, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


no disagreement here.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi Dave. Yeah I'm refering to dot net also. There is a limit in what you
can integrate into an aplication before it becomes too big and too
buggy. This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> what dat? dot net?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi Greg. Yes pretty much I believe it was their idea. All they want to
> do is combine everything into one i.e., html into e-mail, internet
> destroyer bolted into w98. They also think winblows is so smart,
> recognizing <aHref> and formulating urls into hyperlinks? Wow!
> Impressive! What if I want to read the text of that link and not your
> crappy rendition? Then what?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Wasn't it originally macroslop's idea that html and e-mail were one
> and the same?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:54:49PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > > Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their
> messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain
> text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated.
There
> should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I
> wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in
> html anyway.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
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> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Ha ha, unfortunately the worms and viruses are not stupid at all.
Have you seen how www.Klez.gem@mm  virus works?
It is a great product!
But unfortunately for all the people...
Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

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To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


ok, if the windows users aren't computer savy enough or care enough to
reduce the risk of virus infection to their machines, I don't consider
that good practice.
even though I use windows as little as possible these days, I still
protect myself against idiots that want to code stupid worms.
It's just using your brains.
Shaun.


On Tue, 14 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> No way. Windblows users should set their mail clients to send mail in
plain text (grin).
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:57:09PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > No way!
> >
> > Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> > lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
> >
> > Just my opinion!
> >
> >
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> > > From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> > > Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > >
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > > Have your say:
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> > >
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

No. Macroslop couldn't think of a good name for their latest and gratest product, so instead of outright calling it junky, they called it xp. Nice 2 syllable words that sound so much alike, and that in this case have identical meanings.
Greg


On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 08:30:03PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> Windows xp stands for xtra problems!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > that's right.  You linux guys aught to upgrade to win xp, since it's
> easier.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The only anti-virus software that I'm aware of for Unix systems is meant
> > > to be run on mail-servers in order to cleanse all email messages of
> > > viruses
> > > thereby protecting *windows* systems that might be connected to the
> > > local network.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >           Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> > > > such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> > > > will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> > > > write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the
> antivirus
> > > > software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> > > > they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and
> more
> > > > have appeared on the market.
> > > >
> > > > I understand that the structure is suposed to be more solid but that's
> > > > no reason to be complacent.  If someone wants to get in they will do
> so.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > >On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
> > > > >> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
> > > > >Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.
> > > > >
> > > > >> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such
> > > > >> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the
> future.
> > > > >> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
> > > > >Please explain how you envision this unfolding.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ameer Armaly]

as Bryan said, "it's not the hardware, but the os setup"  your version of xp
is setup wrong probably.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Windows xp stands for xtra problems!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > that's right.  You linux guys aught to upgrade to win xp, since it's
> easier.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The only anti-virus software that I'm aware of for Unix systems is
meant
> > > to be run on mail-servers in order to cleanse all email messages of
> > > viruses
> > > thereby protecting *windows* systems that might be connected to the
> > > local network.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >           Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> > > > such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> > > > will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> > > > write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the
> antivirus
> > > > software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> > > > they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and
> more
> > > > have appeared on the market.
> > > >
> > > > I understand that the structure is suposed to be more solid but
that's
> > > > no reason to be complacent.  If someone wants to get in they will do
> so.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > >On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
> > > > >> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
> > > > >Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.
> > > > >
> > > > >> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because
such
> > > > >> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the
> future.
> > > > >> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
> > > > >Please explain how you envision this unfolding.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >          Bill in Denver
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

It would depend on the file.  I find the php.ini file to be hell to
configure only because of the comments.  Get rid of those, and it's fine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi all.
> What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
> (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
> sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
> confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a
second
> look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also,
why
> should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple
"print"
> command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html
in
> email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have
to
> copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx
anyway.
> It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
> java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.
Also,
> you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
> into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
> hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
> network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
> so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who
is
> working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
> software.
> That's just my 2 cents.
> Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine,
who
> will be glad to support my point.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find
the
> > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I
hate
> > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > pieces.
> > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> files?
> > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way
to
> > stop
> > > this?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the
days
> > back
> > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> > 80's
> > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > >
> > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > against viruses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > elements
> > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> messages
> > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain
text
> > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply
to
> a
> > > message
> > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> messages
> > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> > been
> > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it
was
> an
> > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor
a
> > > blockage
> > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> > still
> > > use
> > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > messages
> > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Windows xp stands for xtra problems!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly@hotmail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> that's right.  You linux guys aught to upgrade to win xp, since it's
easier.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> >
> > The only anti-virus software that I'm aware of for Unix systems is meant
> > to be run on mail-servers in order to cleanse all email messages of
> > viruses
> > thereby protecting *windows* systems that might be connected to the
> > local network.
> >
> >
> >
> >           Bill
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> > > such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> > > will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> > > write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the
antivirus
> > > software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> > > they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and
more
> > > have appeared on the market.
> > >
> > > I understand that the structure is suposed to be more solid but that's
> > > no reason to be complacent.  If someone wants to get in they will do
so.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > >
> > > >On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
> > > >> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
> > > >Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.
> > > >
> > > >> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such
> > > >> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the
future.
> > > >> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
> > > >Please explain how you envision this unfolding.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >          Bill in Denver
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ameer Armaly]

that's right.  You linux guys aught to upgrade to win xp, since it's easier.

----- Original Message -----
From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


>
> The only anti-virus software that I'm aware of for Unix systems is meant
> to be run on mail-servers in order to cleanse all email messages of
> viruses
> thereby protecting *windows* systems that might be connected to the
> local network.
>
>
>
>           Bill
>
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> > such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> > will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> > write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the antivirus
> > software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> > they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and more
> > have appeared on the market.
> >
> > I understand that the structure is suposed to be more solid but that's
> > no reason to be complacent.  If someone wants to get in they will do so.
> >
> > Gena
> >
> >
> >
> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >
> > >On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > >
> > >> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
> > >> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
> > >Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.
> > >
> > >> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such
> > >> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the future.
> > >> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
> > >Please explain how you envision this unfolding.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >          Bill in Denver
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ameer Armaly]

Yah.  Namely, use pine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi All,
> I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
pieces.
> How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the files?
> Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
stop
> this?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
back
> > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
80's
> > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> >
> > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Kerry,
> > >
> > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > against viruses.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> elements
> > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > exist as well.
> > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
> message
> > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > real problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
been
> > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> blockage
> > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
still
> use
> > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> Windows
> > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
messages
> > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> 144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ameer Armaly]

Hi all.
What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config files
(which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in the
sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of there
confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a second
look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also, why
should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple "print"
command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
/etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html in
email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than have to
copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx anyway.
It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't interpret
java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.  Also,
you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile support
into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from beeing
hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila! my
network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial goal,
so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who is
working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make good
software.
That's just my 2 cents.
Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine, who
will be glad to support my point.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find the
> right tab in those huge properties forms.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I hate
> about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Hi All,
> > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> pieces.
> > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
files?
> > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
> stop
> > this?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
> back
> > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
> 80's
> > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > >
> > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > >
> > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > against viruses.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > elements
> > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
messages
> > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to
a
> > message
> > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
messages
> > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
> been
> > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was
an
> > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> > blockage
> > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
> still
> > use
> > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> > Windows
> > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> messages
> > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> > 144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I would use donkey if it would connect.  I cant seem to connect to any of
the servers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi Alex. Actually, I like Donkey better. I've found all sorts of winblows
stuff, all those progs you mentioned, plus ebooks. Everything >from military
field manuals to guide to PHP. Its all there!
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Let's see... visual studio enterprise, partition magic, norton system
works
> 2002 pro, frontpage, You name it, It got it from kazaa.  It's one of the
> best file sharing networks for winblows. Hell, you can even get winblows
> from it!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi Greg. That's where progs like Edonkey2000 come in. Norton antivirus
> partition magic you name it! All the crap that isn't worth paying for.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > The problem with getting antivirus software is that there is no freeware
> antivirus software. In addition to paying for such software, some
company's
> such as Mcafee expect you to pay for engine and dat file upgrades after a
> year.
> >
> > Second, URLs are perfectly accessible in plain-text messages.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:04:54PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > > All you are doing is introducing censorship!
> > >
> > > If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your
> computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an
> anti virus program and run it on your computer.
> > >
> > > If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of
the
> list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the
right
> people, they may even share what they have already developed for this
> process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
> > >
> > > There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which
> they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting
of
> a message.
> > >
> > > In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond
> to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also
prefer
> use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and
> active.
> > >
> > > So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess
> that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will
say
> no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where
and
> when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship
> prevents me from assisting you.
> > >
> > > Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and
stop
> trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much
of
> NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.
> > > (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
> > >
> > > Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and
that
> is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the
problem.
> > > A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
> > >
> > > "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
> > >
> > > Steve Dawes
> > > PH:  (403) 268-5527.
> > > Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > > > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more
> > > > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to
> > > > text. I don't transmit in html anyway.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > >
> > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gena
> > > > >
> > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I would use donkey if it would connect.  I cant seem to connect to any of
the servers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi Alex. Actually, I like Donkey better. I've found all sorts of winblows
stuff, all those progs you mentioned, plus ebooks. Everything >from military
field manuals to guide to PHP. Its all there!
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Let's see... visual studio enterprise, partition magic, norton system
works
> 2002 pro, frontpage, You name it, It got it from kazaa.  It's one of the
> best file sharing networks for winblows. Hell, you can even get winblows
> from it!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi Greg. That's where progs like Edonkey2000 come in. Norton antivirus
> partition magic you name it! All the crap that isn't worth paying for.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > The problem with getting antivirus software is that there is no freeware
> antivirus software. In addition to paying for such software, some
company's
> such as Mcafee expect you to pay for engine and dat file upgrades after a
> year.
> >
> > Second, URLs are perfectly accessible in plain-text messages.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:04:54PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > > All you are doing is introducing censorship!
> > >
> > > If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your
> computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an
> anti virus program and run it on your computer.
> > >
> > > If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of
the
> list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the
right
> people, they may even share what they have already developed for this
> process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
> > >
> > > There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which
> they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting
of
> a message.
> > >
> > > In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond
> to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also
prefer
> use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and
> active.
> > >
> > > So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess
> that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will
say
> no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where
and
> when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship
> prevents me from assisting you.
> > >
> > > Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and
stop
> trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much
of
> NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.
> > > (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
> > >
> > > Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and
that
> is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the
problem.
> > > A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
> > >
> > > "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
> > >
> > > Steve Dawes
> > > PH:  (403) 268-5527.
> > > Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > > > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more
> > > > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to
> > > > text. I don't transmit in html anyway.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > >
> > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gena
> > > > >
> > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find the
right tab in those huge properties forms.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I hate
about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi All,
> I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
pieces.
> How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the files?
> Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to
stop
> this?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days
back
> > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late
80's
> > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> >
> > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Kerry,
> > >
> > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > against viruses.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> elements
> > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > exist as well.
> > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
> message
> > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > real problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't
been
> > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> blockage
> > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people
still
> use
> > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> Windows
> > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
messages
> > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
> 144169465
> > > > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

The only anti-virus software that I'm aware of for Unix systems is meant 
to be run on mail-servers in order to cleanse all email messages of 
viruses 
thereby protecting *windows* systems that might be connected to the 
local network.



          Bill


On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the antivirus
> software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and more
> have appeared on the market.
>  
> I understand that the structure is suposed to be more solid but that's
> no reason to be complacent.  If someone wants to get in they will do so.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> 
> >On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> >
> >> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
> >> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
> >Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.
> >
> >> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such
> >> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the future.  
> >> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
> >Please explain how you envision this unfolding.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >          Bill in Denver
> >
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I hate about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi All,
> I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in pieces.
> How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the files?
> Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to stop
> this?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days back
> > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late 80's
> > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> >
> > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Kerry,
> > >
> > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > against viruses.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> elements
> > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > > exist as well.
> > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
> message
> > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > > real problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
> blockage
> > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still
> use
> > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
> Windows
> > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Hi All,
I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in pieces.
How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the files?
Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way to stop
this?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days back
> when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late 80's
> early 90's). Those were the good days!
>
> Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> > Hi Kerry,
> >
> > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > against viruses.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> >
> > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
elements
> > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > exist as well.
> > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
message
> > > in the format it was received in.
> > >
> > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > real problem.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
blockage
> > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still
use
> > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
Windows
> > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gena
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Alex. Actually, I like Donkey better. I've found all sorts of winblows stuff, all those progs you mentioned, plus ebooks. Everything from military field manuals to guide to PHP. Its all there!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Let's see... visual studio enterprise, partition magic, norton system works
> 2002 pro, frontpage, You name it, It got it from kazaa.  It's one of the
> best file sharing networks for winblows. Hell, you can even get winblows
> from it!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> Hi Greg. That's where progs like Edonkey2000 come in. Norton antivirus
> partition magic you name it! All the crap that isn't worth paying for.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > The problem with getting antivirus software is that there is no freeware
> antivirus software. In addition to paying for such software, some company's
> such as Mcafee expect you to pay for engine and dat file upgrades after a
> year.
> >
> > Second, URLs are perfectly accessible in plain-text messages.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:04:54PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > > All you are doing is introducing censorship!
> > >
> > > If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your
> computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an
> anti virus program and run it on your computer.
> > >
> > > If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the
> list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right
> people, they may even share what they have already developed for this
> process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
> > >
> > > There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which
> they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of
> a message.
> > >
> > > In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond
> to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer
> use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and
> active.
> > >
> > > So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess
> that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say
> no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and
> when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship
> prevents me from assisting you.
> > >
> > > Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop
> trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much of
> NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.
> > > (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
> > >
> > > Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that
> is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem.
> > > A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
> > >
> > > "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
> > >
> > > Steve Dawes
> > > PH:  (403) 268-5527.
> > > Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > > > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more
> > > > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to
> > > > text. I don't transmit in html anyway.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > >
> > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gena
> > > > >
> > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the days back
when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail (late 80's
early 90's). Those were the good days!

Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> Hi Kerry,
>
> No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> against viruses.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
>
> > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing elements
> > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > exist as well.
> > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a message
> > in the format it was received in.
> >
> > Regards, Kerry.
> > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > >
> > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > real problem.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > >
> > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gena
> > > > >
> > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Thanks, Igor -

I was not aware of that, although it does not surprise me. I do
not use Windows here - I have no MS products at all on this
machine. My HD has a DOS partition but it is the Caldera OpenDOS
(DR DOS) and not MS.

Chuck


On Wed, 15 May 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Hi Chuck. The main problem in terms of winblows viruses is imbedded
> activex scripting code, which automatically executes whenever a winblows
> user "highlights" it I hate the word highlight!
>
> Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> >
> > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > real problem.
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Well you got a point.  Noing microshit, the settings will probably go back
to html in a couple of hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Ok. But, you know what they say, "never say never" (smile).
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 03:01:03PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I have set outlook distress on my winblows box to only send text
messages,
> > but to reply to messages in the format they were receved in.  I have no
need
> > for html mail now, and probably never will.  I don't need to do anything
> > special with the formatting, since I cant see it anyway.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
elements
> > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > > exist as well.
> > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
> > message
> > > in the format it was received in.
> > >
> > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > > real problem.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
blockage
> > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still
use
> > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
Windows
> > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gena
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
144169465
> > > > > >
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> > > >
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> > kerry@gotss.spice.net.au
> > > ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Let's see... visual studio enterprise, partition magic, norton system works
2002 pro, frontpage, You name it, It got it from kazaa.  It's one of the
best file sharing networks for winblows. Hell, you can even get winblows
from it!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi Greg. That's where progs like Edonkey2000 come in. Norton antivirus
partition magic you name it! All the crap that isn't worth paying for.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> The problem with getting antivirus software is that there is no freeware
antivirus software. In addition to paying for such software, some company's
such as Mcafee expect you to pay for engine and dat file upgrades after a
year.
>
> Second, URLs are perfectly accessible in plain-text messages.
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:04:54PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > All you are doing is introducing censorship!
> >
> > If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your
computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an
anti virus program and run it on your computer.
> >
> > If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the
list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right
people, they may even share what they have already developed for this
process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
> >
> > There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which
they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of
a message.
> >
> > In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond
to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer
use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and
active.
> >
> > So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess
that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say
no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and
when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship
prevents me from assisting you.
> >
> > Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop
trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much of
NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.
> > (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
> >
> > Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that
is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem.
> > A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
> >
> > "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
> >
> > Steve Dawes
> > PH:  (403) 268-5527.
> > Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more
> > > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to
> > > text. I don't transmit in html anyway.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
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> > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

The best, best thing is to kill everything in inetd.conf that you don't use.
Greg


On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 03:03:34PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> Well the best thing is to kill the telnet daemond If you don't need it since
> that blocks one of the ways into your system that hackers like.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> > > such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> > > will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> > > write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the antivirus
> > > software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> > > they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and more
> > > have appeared on the market.
> >
> > One of the biggest problems is the default permissions which can come from
> > certain apps.  I remember there was a warning a year or two ago, that some
> > packages on some distros had 777 permissions, now if that's not an
> > invitation, nothing is.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > --
> > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > ICQ: #61744808
> >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

Ok. But, you know what they say, "never say never" (smile).
Greg


On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 03:01:03PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I have set outlook distress on my winblows box to only send text messages,
> but to reply to messages in the format they were receved in.  I have no need
> for html mail now, and probably never will.  I don't need to do anything
> special with the formatting, since I cant see it anyway.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing elements
> > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> > exist as well.
> > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
> message
> > in the format it was received in.
> >
> > Regards, Kerry.
> > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > >
> > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > real problem.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > >
> > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gena
> > > > >
> > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Chuck. The main problem in terms of winblows viruses is imbedded
activex scripting code, which automatically executes whenever a winblows
user "highlights" it I hate the word highlight!

Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

>
> I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> real problem.
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
> > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > >
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > >
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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> >
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Well the best thing is to kill the telnet daemond If you don't need it since
that blocks one of the ways into your system that hackers like.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> > such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> > will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> > write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the antivirus
> > software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> > they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and more
> > have appeared on the market.
>
> One of the biggest problems is the default permissions which can come from
> certain apps.  I remember there was a warning a year or two ago, that some
> packages on some distros had 777 permissions, now if that's not an
> invitation, nothing is.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> ICQ: #61744808
>    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I have set outlook distress on my winblows box to only send text messages,
but to reply to messages in the format they were receved in.  I have no need
for html mail now, and probably never will.  I don't need to do anything
special with the formatting, since I cant see it anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing elements
> and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> except to say that there are dangers in html;
> more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> exist as well.
> I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> I encourage people to set their look out distress
> settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a
message
> in the format it was received in.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > real problem.
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> > >
> >
> > --
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> > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> >
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Kerry,

No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
against viruses.

Chuck


On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing elements
> and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
> except to say that there are dangers in html;
> more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
> exist as well.
> I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
> but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
> to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> I encourage people to set their look out distress
> settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a message
> in the format it was received in.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > real problem.
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Kerry Hoath]

Chuck I should point out that certain versions 
of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing elements
and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html messages
except to say that there are dangers in html;
more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux dangers
exist as well.
I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text section,
but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain text
to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
I encourage people to set their look out distress
settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply to a message
in the format it was received in.

Regards, Kerry.
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> real problem.
> 
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
> > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > >
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > >
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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> >
> 
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Wed, 15 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:

> Hi
>
> Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the antivirus
> software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and more
> have appeared on the market.

One of the biggest problems is the default permissions which can come from
certain apps.  I remember there was a warning a year or two ago, that some
packages on some distros had 777 permissions, now if that's not an
invitation, nothing is.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Will I don't ever have to worry about aol, since I'm never using them!!

<AOL> Me Too. </AOL>
*grin*

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Erik Heil]

I wonder how accessible these tools are/  BC I know for a fact that Symantec
has had some Unix antivirus products.  Wonder if they depend on the GTK or
Gnome environments?  Ideally they would have a curses-based interface.

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi
>
> Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
> such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
> will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
> write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the antivirus
> software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
> they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and more
> have appeared on the market.
>
> I understand that the structure is suposed to be more solid but that's
> no reason to be complacent.  If someone wants to get in they will do so.
>
> Gena
>
>
>
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>
> >On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
> >
> >> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
> >> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
> >Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.
> >
> >> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such
> >> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the future.
> >> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
> >Please explain how you envision this unfolding.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >          Bill in Denver
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[jwantz]

Hi Gena,
I'd prefer text only messages.  I'd prefer attachments to stay.  I'd 
much rather press 'v' and 's' in pine rather than having to extract the 
script if I want to use it.

     Jim Wantz WB0TFK
On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:

> Hi
> 
> The only request is for the forwarding of plain text messages only.  I
> only explained the steps I undertook as a list owner when I set up a
> list which I exspected the majority of subscribers to be Windows users.
> 
> Most of the files transfered on this list are scripts or configuration
> files which are text documents and its easier for the reader if its
> contents is in the body of the message.  Compression agents are
> different across platforms too.  So everyone can read it if it is in the
> body of the message.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> 
> >I think the disabling of atachments will greatly hurt the list because we've
> >all had to atach a config file, text output, etc at some time.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
> >To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I don't understand your strong response.  Surely its in the list owner's
> >> interest to protect himself of accusations of being a spreader of
> >> viruses.  I know from personal experience.  BASHOnline was set up right
> >> >from the beginning to forward only plain text messages and deny the
> >> forwarding of attachments.  Gordon Keen announced on the accessuk list
> >> that I allowed the spreading of viruses which has had a devostating
> >> effect upon the list.
> >>
> >> There's no justification of html messages on this list that I can think
> >> of as we're discussing speech access to GNU/Linux interface.  How do you
> >> gain from sending or receiving html messages?  Please enlighten me.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gena
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >>
> >> >No way!
> >> >
> >> >Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> >> >lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
> >> >
> >> >Just my opinion!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> >> >The City of Calgary
> >> > Web Business Office #8300
> >> > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
> >> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
> >> >Phone: (403) 268-5527
> >> >Fax:   (403)  268-6423
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> >> >Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
> >> >
> >> >FOIPP NOTIFICATION
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> >entity=20
> >> >named above and may contain information that is confidential or
> >legally=20
> >> >privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a
> >> >person
> >> >responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended=20
> >> >recipient, YOU ARE  HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or=20
> >> >copying of this communication or any of the information contained in
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> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> >> >> Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> >> >> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >> >>=20
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Hi All
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> >> >> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> >> >> restricted to plain text only?
> >> >>=20
> >> >> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Gena
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Have your say:
> >> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> >> >> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Personal Contact Details:
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> >> >>=20
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> >> >
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> >>
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> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

Well I believe that GNU/Linux is becoming more popular as developers
such as those with Redhat and Mandrake with their superb installers,
will attract the attention of hackers who wish to be destructive to
write viruses that can infect Unix type systems.  Perhaps the antivirus
software producers are just using psychology but over the past year,
they're producing their products to run under Unix type systems and more
have appeared on the market.
 
I understand that the structure is suposed to be more solid but that's
no reason to be complacent.  If someone wants to get in they will do so.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:
>
>> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
>> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
>Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.
>
>> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such
>> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the future.  
>> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
>Please explain how you envision this unfolding.
>
>
>
>
>          Bill in Denver
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Tue, 14 May 2002, Dawes, Stephen wrote:

> No way!
>
> Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.

While I agree with you, html emails are strictly speaking in violation of
rfc822, unless I am mistaken, at the very least they are viewed as bad
neticate.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Toby Fisher]

On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> restricted to plain text only?

You won't get any argument here, Gena, that's for sure.

Cheers.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

I think that you miss the point, if the list stripped the html and java
script from any messages that are received to the list for transmission
everyone can cancel out the list as a means of infection.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>The viruses send themselves even the Windows users set to text only.
>There are viruses that don't even need a mail client for sending a mail.
>Teddy,
>orasnita@home.ro
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>No way. Windblows users should set their mail clients to send mail in plain
>text (grin).
>Greg
>
>
>On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:57:09PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
>> No way!
>>
>> Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
>> lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
>>
>> Just my opinion!
>>
>>
>> Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
>> The City of Calgary
>> Web Business Office #8300
>> PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
>> Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
>> Phone: (403) 268-5527
>> Fax:   (403)  268-6423
>> Email: stephen.dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca >
>> Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
>>
>> FOIPP NOTIFICATION
>> This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity
>> named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally
>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a
>> person
>> responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended
>> recipient, YOU ARE  HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or
>> copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it
>> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
>> error,
>> please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete
>> this
>> communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us.
>>
>> Thank you for your attention and co-operation.
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
>> > Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
>> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>> > restricted to plain text only?
>> >
>> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>> >
>> > Gena
>> >
>> > Have your say:
>> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>> >
>> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>> >
>> > Personal Contact Details:
>> > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Erik Heil]

yean and now their's Dot net.  GRRRRR.  At leas their's some security
settings, but I don't know how effective they are since I don't have any Dot
net applications on this box.  Wouldn't count on it based on Microsoft's
track record. Original Message -----
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Granted, those are problems.
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Erik Heil wrote:
>
> > What about Java applets that are embedded in HTML e-mail?  Or ActiveX
> > controls?  These can cause a myriad of problems for users IMHO.  Whether
> > their client or server-side doesn't make a difference either.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > > real problem.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a
blockage
> > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still
use
> > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > >
> > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gena
> > > > >
> > > > > Have your say:
> > > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
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> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
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> > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full)
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Granted, those are problems.

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Erik Heil wrote:

> What about Java applets that are embedded in HTML e-mail?  Or ActiveX
> controls?  These can cause a myriad of problems for users IMHO.  Whether
> their client or server-side doesn't make a difference either.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> >
> > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> > real problem.
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Erik Heil]

What about Java applets that are embedded in HTML e-mail?  Or ActiveX
controls?  These can cause a myriad of problems for users IMHO.  Whether
their client or server-side doesn't make a difference either.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


>
> I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
> transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
> real problem.
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
> > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > >
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > >
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Charles Hallenbeck]

I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html messages
transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are the
real problem.

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:

> Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
> affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
> annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
> of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
> windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > restricted to plain text only?
> >
> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> >
> > Gena
> >
> > Have your say:
> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >
> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Rich Caloggero]

Yes, restricting the list to text-only messages might be usful. Let's do it!

                    Rich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: 14 May, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


no disagreement here.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi Dave. Yeah I'm refering to dot net also. There is a limit in what you
can integrate into an aplication before it becomes too big and too
buggy. This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> what dat? dot net?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi Greg. Yes pretty much I believe it was their idea. All they want to
> do is combine everything into one i.e., html into e-mail, internet
> destroyer bolted into w98. They also think winblows is so smart,
> recognizing <aHref> and formulating urls into hyperlinks? Wow!
> Impressive! What if I want to read the text of that link and not your
> crappy rendition? Then what?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Wasn't it originally macroslop's idea that html and e-mail were one
> and the same?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:54:49PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > > Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their
> messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain
> text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated.
There
> should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I
> wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in
> html anyway.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Steve Holmes]

Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really haven't been
affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it was an
annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would favor a blockage
of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some people still use
windows mailers on the list; so go for it!

On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina' wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> restricted to plain text only?
> 
> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Have your say:
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> 
> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> 
> Personal Contact Details:
> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Will I don't ever have to worry about aol, since I'm never using them!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


It is also a person's responsibility to take responsible for content
transmitted through their network, not Aohell timewarner to go probing
peoples' hds for mp3s? No way man! Will never get even read access to my hd.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> I would agree.  It's the recepiant's responsibility to keep there
antivirus
> up to date and working, not the list owner's to filter it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:04 PM
> Subject: RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> All you are doing is introducing censorship!
>
> If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your
> computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an
> anti virus program and run it on your computer.
>
> If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the
list
> do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right
> people, they may even share what they have already developed for this
> process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
>
> There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which
they
> do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of a
> message.
>
> In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond to
a
> message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer use
> of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and
active.
>
> So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess
that
> I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say no
> loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and
> when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship
> prevents me from assisting you.
>
> Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop
> trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much
of
> NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.
> (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
>
> Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that
is
> all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem.
> A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
>
> "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
>
> Steve Dawes
> PH:  (403) 268-5527.
> Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more
> > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to
> > text. I don't transmit in html anyway.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > >
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > >
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Shaun Oliver]

ok, if the windows users aren't computer savy enough or care enough to
reduce the risk of virus infection to their machines, I don't consider
that good practice.
even though I use windows as little as possible these days, I still
protect myself against idiots that want to code stupid worms.
It's just using your brains.
Shaun.


On Tue, 14 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> No way. Windblows users should set their mail clients to send mail in plain text (grin).
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:57:09PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > No way!
> >
> > Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> > lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
> >
> > Just my opinion!
> >
> >
> > Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> > The City of Calgary
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> > > From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> > > Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > >
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > >
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Shaun Oliver]

Ok,
here's my 2C worth.
I agree that all messages to the list should be in plain text format so s
to reduce header informatin and probably overhead to the list.

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:

> There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
> the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus
Yep, I'm one of those and make no apologies for it.

> but I can assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such
> matters are likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the future.  
> then it will be the Window's users who will be laughing.
Please explain how you envision this unfolding.




          Bill in Denver

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Yes you're right.
I like to have all those addresses in my address book but I never had virus
problems.

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


This isn't true per say. You can control if your mail client adds addresses
to which you reply into your address book.
Greg

On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 05:08:55AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Go to www.symantec.com and read how a virus works.
>
> If I reply to a message, the address of the list will go in my address
book,
> and a virus can send itself without telling me that.
> And it can go to the list where somebody can be infected, if they don't
have
> a good antivirus.
>
> It would be a good idea (if you care so much about the viruses) to have a
> website where the list members can upload a file with a simple form, and
> that form print then the direct link to that uploaded file.
> The list member can put that link in their message and of course, if the
> list won't accept  attachments, no virus will come to the list.
> Of course, it is a little more complicated  than attaching a file but it
is
> more safe, and if someone wants help....
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita@home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi
>
> The only request is for the forwarding of plain text messages only.  I
> only explained the steps I undertook as a list owner when I set up a
> list which I exspected the majority of subscribers to be Windows users.
>
> Most of the files transfered on this list are scripts or configuration
> files which are text documents and its easier for the reader if its
> contents is in the body of the message.  Compression agents are
> different across platforms too.  So everyone can read it if it is in the
> body of the message.
>
> Gena
>
>
>
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>
> >I think the disabling of atachments will greatly hurt the list because
> we've
> >all had to atach a config file, text output, etc at some time.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
> >To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I don't understand your strong response.  Surely its in the list
owner's
> >> interest to protect himself of accusations of being a spreader of
> >> viruses.  I know from personal experience.  BASHOnline was set up right
> >> >from the beginning to forward only plain text messages and deny the
> >> forwarding of attachments.  Gordon Keen announced on the accessuk list
> >> that I allowed the spreading of viruses which has had a devostating
> >> effect upon the list.
> >>
> >> There's no justification of html messages on this list that I can think
> >> of as we're discussing speech access to GNU/Linux interface.  How do
you
> >> gain from sending or receiving html messages?  Please enlighten me.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gena
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >>
> >> >No way!
> >> >
> >> >Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> >> >lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
> >> >
> >> >Just my opinion!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> >> >The City of Calgary
> >> > Web Business Office #8300
> >> > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
> >> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
> >> >Phone: (403) 268-5527
> >> >Fax:   (403)  268-6423
> >> >Email: stephen.dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca >
> >> >Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
> >> >
> >> >FOIPP NOTIFICATION
> >> >This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or
> >entity=20
> >> >named above and may contain information that is confidential or
> >legally=20
> >> >privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a
> >> >person
> >> >responsible for delivering messages or communications to the
intended=20
> >> >recipient, YOU ARE  HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or=20
> >> >copying of this communication or any of the information contained in
> >it=20
> >> >is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
> >> >error,
> >> >please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete
> >> >this
> >> >communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us.
> >> >
> >> >Thank you for your attention and co-operation.=20
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> >> >> Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> >> >> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >> >>=20
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Hi All
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> >> >> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> >> >> restricted to plain text only?
> >> >>=20
> >> >> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Gena
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Have your say:
> >> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> >> >> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Personal Contact Details:
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> >> >>=20
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> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
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> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

This isn't true per say. You can control if your mail client adds addresses to which you reply into your address book.
Greg

On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 05:08:55AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Go to www.symantec.com and read how a virus works.
> 
> If I reply to a message, the address of the list will go in my address book,
> and a virus can send itself without telling me that.
> And it can go to the list where somebody can be infected, if they don't have
> a good antivirus.
> 
> It would be a good idea (if you care so much about the viruses) to have a
> website where the list members can upload a file with a simple form, and
> that form print then the direct link to that uploaded file.
> The list member can put that link in their message and of course, if the
> list won't accept  attachments, no virus will come to the list.
> Of course, it is a little more complicated  than attaching a file but it is
> more safe, and if someone wants help....
> 
> Teddy,
> orasnita@home.ro
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> The only request is for the forwarding of plain text messages only.  I
> only explained the steps I undertook as a list owner when I set up a
> list which I exspected the majority of subscribers to be Windows users.
> 
> Most of the files transfered on this list are scripts or configuration
> files which are text documents and its easier for the reader if its
> contents is in the body of the message.  Compression agents are
> different across platforms too.  So everyone can read it if it is in the
> body of the message.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> 
> >I think the disabling of atachments will greatly hurt the list because
> we've
> >all had to atach a config file, text output, etc at some time.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
> >To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I don't understand your strong response.  Surely its in the list owner's
> >> interest to protect himself of accusations of being a spreader of
> >> viruses.  I know from personal experience.  BASHOnline was set up right
> >> >from the beginning to forward only plain text messages and deny the
> >> forwarding of attachments.  Gordon Keen announced on the accessuk list
> >> that I allowed the spreading of viruses which has had a devostating
> >> effect upon the list.
> >>
> >> There's no justification of html messages on this list that I can think
> >> of as we're discussing speech access to GNU/Linux interface.  How do you
> >> gain from sending or receiving html messages?  Please enlighten me.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gena
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >>
> >> >No way!
> >> >
> >> >Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> >> >lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
> >> >
> >> >Just my opinion!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> >> >The City of Calgary
> >> > Web Business Office #8300
> >> > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
> >> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
> >> >Phone: (403) 268-5527
> >> >Fax:   (403)  268-6423
> >> >Email: stephen.dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca >
> >> >Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
> >> >
> >> >FOIPP NOTIFICATION
> >> >This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or
> >entity=20
> >> >named above and may contain information that is confidential or
> >legally=20
> >> >privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a
> >> >person
> >> >responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended=20
> >> >recipient, YOU ARE  HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or=20
> >> >copying of this communication or any of the information contained in
> >it=20
> >> >is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
> >> >error,
> >> >please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete
> >> >this
> >> >communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us.
> >> >
> >> >Thank you for your attention and co-operation.=20
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> >> >> Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> >> >> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >> >>=20
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Hi All
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> >> >> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> >> >> restricted to plain text only?
> >> >>=20
> >> >> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Gena
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Have your say:
> >> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> >> >> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Personal Contact Details:
> >> >> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> >> >>=20
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >>=20
> >> >
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> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
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> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Right!
In fact, the nettiquette tells that it is not  a good idea to send HTML
messages, ... and other things, like that it is not good to put the reply
message under the original message, because some people with dissabilities
will need to skip a lot of text just to read some more lines ... but who
cares?

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi

Sorry, I cannot see it as censorship.  All the process would be doing is
stripping out the html tags.  I don't know if it is across the board,
but the Northants Linux User Group do this.  It saves band width and is
mainly considered as sensible management of the transfer of e-mail
information.  There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus but I can
assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such matters are
likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the future.  Then it will
be the Window's users who will be laughing.

Its easier for the recipient too.  If they wish to employ some kind of
manipulation so that they can read it, like enlarge it or change the
colour contrast etc, if they receive
posts in a standard format they haven't got to alter magnification
levels from message to message.

Sorry I must disagree I see it not as censorship but a social
responsibility to give each other a level playing field.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>All you are doing is introducing censorship!=20
>
>If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your =
>computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get =
>an anti virus program and run it on your computer.=20
>
>If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the =
>list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the =
>right people, they may even share what they have already developed for =
>this process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
>
>There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which =
>they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the =
>formatting of a message.
>
>In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond =
>to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also =
>prefer use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily =
>accessed, and active.
>
>So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess =
>that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will =
>say no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those =
>where and when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list =
>censorship prevents me from assisting you.
>
>Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop =
>trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much =
>of NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.=20
>(NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
>
>Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that =
>is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the =
>problem.=20
>A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
>
>"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
>
>Steve Dawes
>PH:  (403) 268-5527.=20
>Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca=20
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
>> Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
>> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi. I think that this method is both better and more=20
>> standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to=20
>> text. I don't transmit in html anyway.=20
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: 'Georgina' <y>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
>> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>=20
>>=20
>> > Hi All
>> >=20
>> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>> > restricted to plain text only?
>> >=20
>> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>> >=20
>> > Gena
>> >=20
>> > Have your say:
>> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>> >=20
>> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>> >=20
>> > Personal Contact Details:
>> > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>> >=20
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>=20
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>=20
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[David Poehlman]

no disagreement here.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi Dave. Yeah I'm refering to dot net also. There is a limit in what you
can integrate into an aplication before it becomes too big and too
buggy. This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> what dat? dot net?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi Greg. Yes pretty much I believe it was their idea. All they want to
> do is combine everything into one i.e., html into e-mail, internet
> destroyer bolted into w98. They also think winblows is so smart,
> recognizing <aHref> and formulating urls into hyperlinks? Wow!
> Impressive! What if I want to read the text of that link and not your
> crappy rendition? Then what?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Wasn't it originally macroslop's idea that html and e-mail were one
> and the same?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:54:49PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > > Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their
> messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain
> text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated.
There
> should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I
> wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in
> html anyway.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit
Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ:
144169465
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Go to www.symantec.com and read how a virus works.

If I reply to a message, the address of the list will go in my address book,
and a virus can send itself without telling me that.
And it can go to the list where somebody can be infected, if they don't have
a good antivirus.

It would be a good idea (if you care so much about the viruses) to have a
website where the list members can upload a file with a simple form, and
that form print then the direct link to that uploaded file.
The list member can put that link in their message and of course, if the
list won't accept  attachments, no virus will come to the list.
Of course, it is a little more complicated  than attaching a file but it is
more safe, and if someone wants help....

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi

The only request is for the forwarding of plain text messages only.  I
only explained the steps I undertook as a list owner when I set up a
list which I exspected the majority of subscribers to be Windows users.

Most of the files transfered on this list are scripts or configuration
files which are text documents and its easier for the reader if its
contents is in the body of the message.  Compression agents are
different across platforms too.  So everyone can read it if it is in the
body of the message.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>I think the disabling of atachments will greatly hurt the list because
we've
>all had to atach a config file, text output, etc at some time.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:41 PM
>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I don't understand your strong response.  Surely its in the list owner's
>> interest to protect himself of accusations of being a spreader of
>> viruses.  I know from personal experience.  BASHOnline was set up right
>> >from the beginning to forward only plain text messages and deny the
>> forwarding of attachments.  Gordon Keen announced on the accessuk list
>> that I allowed the spreading of viruses which has had a devostating
>> effect upon the list.
>>
>> There's no justification of html messages on this list that I can think
>> of as we're discussing speech access to GNU/Linux interface.  How do you
>> gain from sending or receiving html messages?  Please enlighten me.
>>
>>
>> Gena
>>
>>
>>
>> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>>
>> >No way!
>> >
>> >Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
>> >lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
>> >
>> >Just my opinion!
>> >
>> >
>> >Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
>> >The City of Calgary
>> > Web Business Office #8300
>> > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
>> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
>> >Phone: (403) 268-5527
>> >Fax:   (403)  268-6423
>> >Email: stephen.dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca >
>> >Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
>> >
>> >FOIPP NOTIFICATION
>> >This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or
>entity=20
>> >named above and may contain information that is confidential or
>legally=20
>> >privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a
>> >person
>> >responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended=20
>> >recipient, YOU ARE  HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or=20
>> >copying of this communication or any of the information contained in
>it=20
>> >is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
>> >error,
>> >please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete
>> >this
>> >communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us.
>> >
>> >Thank you for your attention and co-operation.=20
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
>> >> Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
>> >> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>> >>=20
>> >>=20
>> >> Hi All
>> >>=20
>> >> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>> >> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>> >> restricted to plain text only?
>> >>=20
>> >> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>> >>=20
>> >> Gena
>> >>=20
>> >> Have your say:
>> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>> >>=20
>> >> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> >> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>> >>=20
>> >> Personal Contact Details:
>> >> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>> >>=20
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>=20
>> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

Yes but the viruses send themselves as attachments and not because the mail
client is set to send ascii or HTML messages.
I can see a whole flame for the HTML messages here but unfortunately it
doesn't matter if the  client is set to send ascii or HTML. A virus is
smarter than that.
I never set Outlook Express to send as html because the message is bigger
and hard to read for some mail clients. This is the only reason, and not the
viruses.
The only solution for  viruses is an antivirus or other methods accesible
under Linux.

If this list will continue to accept attachments, it will be a good source
of infection.

Of course, if all the members will take care and update their antiviruses,
nobody will have a problem, but don't  keep your breath until then.

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


I think the disabling of atachments will greatly hurt the list because we've
all had to atach a config file, text output, etc at some time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi
>
> I don't understand your strong response.  Surely its in the list owner's
> interest to protect himself of accusations of being a spreader of
> viruses.  I know from personal experience.  BASHOnline was set up right
> >from the beginning to forward only plain text messages and deny the
> forwarding of attachments.  Gordon Keen announced on the accessuk list
> that I allowed the spreading of viruses which has had a devostating
> effect upon the list.
>
> There's no justification of html messages on this list that I can think
> of as we're discussing speech access to GNU/Linux interface.  How do you
> gain from sending or receiving html messages?  Please enlighten me.
>
>
> Gena
>
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Octavian Rasnita]

The viruses send themselves even the Windows users set to text only.
There are viruses that don't even need a mail client for sending a mail.
Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


No way. Windblows users should set their mail clients to send mail in plain
text (grin).
Greg


On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:57:09PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> No way!
>
> Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
>
> Just my opinion!
>
>
> Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> The City of Calgary
> Web Business Office #8300
> PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
> Phone: (403) 268-5527
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> > Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > restricted to plain text only?
> >
> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> >
> > Gena
> >
> > Have your say:
> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >
> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Yes, it was the advertisers and marketers of Windows who made The
Internet and The Web synonymous.  They aren't.  But because of all the
hype, people think they are.

Ann P.
 
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RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Hmmmm, interesting opinion, the man wants people to be accountable.
How refreshing!  How innovative!  <smile>  Well, since Raman has
somehow gotten VM to parce HTML it isn't as difficult as it was before
to read it, but I still maintain that email messages should be in
plain text.  

I dunnow why URL's don't work when they are in plain text, my mailer
does this.  But then, I'm not running Windows.  

Steve, don't leave the list.  I think censorship is a strong word to
use in this case.  If our list restricts HTML, it isn't restricting
what's being said, only the method by which it comes.  

But hey, I'm just a voter for plain text.  If you want HTML, that's
fine.  I'll go with the majority.  

Maybe a simple request that people not send HTML to this list would
suffice.  Maybe I'm too cynical and crusty.  Maybe people *will* take
responsibility for their own software and be accountable.  It's a
novel concept, but I've seen miracles before now. 

Ann P.

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Dave. Yeah I'm refering to dot net also. There is a limit in what you can integrate into an aplication before it becomes too big and too buggy. This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> what dat? dot net?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> Hi Greg. Yes pretty much I believe it was their idea. All they want to
> do is combine everything into one i.e., html into e-mail, internet
> destroyer bolted into w98. They also think winblows is so smart,
> recognizing <aHref> and formulating urls into hyperlinks? Wow!
> Impressive! What if I want to read the text of that link and not your
> crappy rendition? Then what?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > Wasn't it originally macroslop's idea that html and e-mail were one
> and the same?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:54:49PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > > Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their
> messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain
> text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated. There
> should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I
> wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in
> html anyway.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > >
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > >
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[David Poehlman]

what dat? dot net?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi Greg. Yes pretty much I believe it was their idea. All they want to
do is combine everything into one i.e., html into e-mail, internet
destroyer bolted into w98. They also think winblows is so smart,
recognizing <aHref> and formulating urls into hyperlinks? Wow!
Impressive! What if I want to read the text of that link and not your
crappy rendition? Then what?
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Wasn't it originally macroslop's idea that html and e-mail were one
and the same?
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:54:49PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their
messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain
text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated. There
should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I
wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in
html anyway.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > >
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > >
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > >
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[David Poehlman]

no problem with that.

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi

I like your language but I must point out the proposal is not to ban any
message it is just to strip out any htmnl tags befor forwarding on to
the list.

Sorry for any confusion.

Gena



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>I eclair my self in opposition to banning html messages but for asking
>that people refrain from sending them if possible is acceptable.
>
>Ice cream at the thought.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:22 PM
>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>Uhhm, to which message were you replying?
>Greg
>
>
>On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:17:19PM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
>> nope.
>>
>>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

I like your language but I must point out the proposal is not to ban any
message it is just to strip out any htmnl tags befor forwarding on to
the list.

Sorry for any confusion. 

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>I eclair my self in opposition to banning html messages but for asking
>that people refrain from sending them if possible is acceptable.
>
>Ice cream at the thought.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:22 PM
>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>Uhhm, to which message were you replying?
>Greg
>
>
>On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:17:19PM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
>> nope.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

Sorry, I cannot see it as censorship.  All the process would be doing is
stripping out the html tags.  I don't know if it is across the board,
but the Northants Linux User Group do this.  It saves band width and is
mainly considered as sensible management of the transfer of e-mail
information.  There's an implication that GNU/Linux users are enjoying
the vulnerability of Windows users being infected with a virus but I can
assure anyone it is not a laughing matter.  Because such matters are
likely to be an issue for GNU/Linux users in the future.  Then it will
be the Window's users who will be laughing.

Its easier for the recipient too.  If they wish to employ some kind of
manipulation so that they can read it, like enlarge it or change the
colour contrast etc, if they receive
posts in a standard format they haven't got to alter magnification
levels from message to message.

Sorry I must disagree I see it not as censorship but a social
responsibility to give each other a level playing field.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>All you are doing is introducing censorship!=20
>
>If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your =
>computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get =
>an anti virus program and run it on your computer.=20
>
>If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the =
>list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the =
>right people, they may even share what they have already developed for =
>this process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
>
>There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which =
>they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the =
>formatting of a message.
>
>In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond =
>to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also =
>prefer use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily =
>accessed, and active.
>
>So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess =
>that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will =
>say no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those =
>where and when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list =
>censorship prevents me from assisting you.
>
>Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop =
>trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much =
>of NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.=20
>(NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
>
>Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that =
>is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the =
>problem.=20
>A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
>
>"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
>
>Steve Dawes
>PH:  (403) 268-5527.=20
>Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca=20
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
>> Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
>> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi. I think that this method is both better and more=20
>> standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to=20
>> text. I don't transmit in html anyway.=20
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: 'Georgina' <y>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
>> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>=20
>>=20
>> > Hi All
>> >=20
>> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>> > restricted to plain text only?
>> >=20
>> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>> >=20
>> > Gena
>> >=20
>> > Have your say:
>> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>> >=20
>> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>> >=20
>> > Personal Contact Details:
>> > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>> >=20
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>=20
>>=20
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

It is also a person's responsibility to take responsible for content transmitted through their network, not Aohell timewarner to go probing peoples' hds for mp3s? No way man! Will never get even read access to my hd. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> I would agree.  It's the recepiant's responsibility to keep there antivirus
> up to date and working, not the list owner's to filter it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:04 PM
> Subject: RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> All you are doing is introducing censorship!
> 
> If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your
> computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an
> anti virus program and run it on your computer.
> 
> If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the list
> do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right
> people, they may even share what they have already developed for this
> process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
> 
> There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which they
> do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of a
> message.
> 
> In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond to a
> message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer use
> of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and active.
> 
> So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess that
> I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say no
> loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and
> when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship
> prevents me from assisting you.
> 
> Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop
> trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much of
> NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.
> (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
> 
> Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that is
> all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem.
> A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
> 
> "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
> 
> Steve Dawes
> PH:  (403) 268-5527.
> Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more
> > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to
> > text. I don't transmit in html anyway.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > >
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > >
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Greg. That's where progs like Edonkey2000 come in. Norton antivirus partition magic you name it! All the crap that isn't worth paying for. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> The problem with getting antivirus software is that there is no freeware antivirus software. In addition to paying for such software, some company's such as Mcafee expect you to pay for engine and dat file upgrades after a year.
> 
> Second, URLs are perfectly accessible in plain-text messages.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:04:54PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > All you are doing is introducing censorship! 
> > 
> > If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an anti virus program and run it on your computer. 
> > 
> > If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right people, they may even share what they have already developed for this process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
> > 
> > There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of a message.
> > 
> > In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and active.
> > 
> > So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship prevents me from assisting you.
> > 
> > Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much of NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list. 
> > (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
> > 
> > Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem. 
> > A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
> > 
> > "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
> > 
> > Steve Dawes
> > PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
> > Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more 
> > > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to 
> > > text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi All
> > > > 
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > 
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > 
> > > > Gena
> > > > 
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > 
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > 
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Greg. Yes pretty much I believe it was their idea. All they want to do is combine everything into one i.e., html into e-mail, internet destroyer bolted into w98. They also think winblows is so smart, recognizing <aHref> and formulating urls into hyperlinks? Wow! Impressive! What if I want to read the text of that link and not your crappy rendition? Then what? 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Wasn't it originally macroslop's idea that html and e-mail were one and the same?
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:54:49PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated. There should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet. 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > 
> > 
> > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi All
> > > 
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > 
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > 
> > > Gena
> > > 
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > 
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > 
> > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Dan Murphy]

Well yes, I have to agree.  It should be the responsibility of the
sender to know at least *something about the client they are using and
how to make it perform correctly.
On Tue, 14 May 2002, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Count me on Gena's side.  Email is text and should never be confused
<snip>
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>
>
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Let us not look back in anger or forward
in fear, but around us in awareness.
                -- James Thurber

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[David Poehlman]

I eclair my self in opposition to banning html messages but for asking
that people refrain from sending them if possible is acceptable.

Ice cream at the thought.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Uhhm, to which message were you replying?
Greg


On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:17:19PM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> nope.
>
>
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

The only request is for the forwarding of plain text messages only.  I
only explained the steps I undertook as a list owner when I set up a
list which I exspected the majority of subscribers to be Windows users.

Most of the files transfered on this list are scripts or configuration
files which are text documents and its easier for the reader if its
contents is in the body of the message.  Compression agents are
different across platforms too.  So everyone can read it if it is in the
body of the message.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>I think the disabling of atachments will greatly hurt the list because we've
>all had to atach a config file, text output, etc at some time.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:41 PM
>Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I don't understand your strong response.  Surely its in the list owner's
>> interest to protect himself of accusations of being a spreader of
>> viruses.  I know from personal experience.  BASHOnline was set up right
>> >from the beginning to forward only plain text messages and deny the
>> forwarding of attachments.  Gordon Keen announced on the accessuk list
>> that I allowed the spreading of viruses which has had a devostating
>> effect upon the list.
>>
>> There's no justification of html messages on this list that I can think
>> of as we're discussing speech access to GNU/Linux interface.  How do you
>> gain from sending or receiving html messages?  Please enlighten me.
>>
>>
>> Gena
>>
>>
>>
>> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>>
>> >No way!
>> >
>> >Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
>> >lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
>> >
>> >Just my opinion!
>> >
>> >
>> >Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
>> >The City of Calgary
>> > Web Business Office #8300
>> > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
>> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
>> >Phone: (403) 268-5527
>> >Fax:   (403)  268-6423
>> >Email: stephen.dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca >
>> >Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
>> >
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>entity=20
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>> >error,
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>> >this
>> >communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us.
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
>> >> Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
>> >> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>> >>=20
>> >>=20
>> >> Hi All
>> >>=20
>> >> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>> >> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>> >> restricted to plain text only?
>> >>=20
>> >> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>> >>=20
>> >> Gena
>> >>=20
>> >> Have your say:
>> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>> >>=20
>> >> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> >> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>> >>=20
>> >> Personal Contact Details:
>> >> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>> >>=20
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Dan Murphy]

Well I don't have a problem with it, since I don't use HTML mail
anyway.  Even when I am using Outlook or any other Windows mail
client, I always make sure it is set to send plain text only.
I was looking at this very list yesterday with Calipso, and one of
those pesky worms got me, but fortunately Norton grabbed and
quaranteened it.
On Tue, 14 May 2002, 'Georgina' wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> restricted to plain text only?
>
> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>
> Gena
>
> Have your say:
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>
> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
> Personal Contact Details:
> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Dan Murphy
mailto:mweeby@earthlink.net
Let us not look back in anger or forward
in fear, but around us in awareness.
                -- James Thurber

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I would agree.  It's the recepiant's responsibility to keep there antivirus
up to date and working, not the list owner's to filter it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


All you are doing is introducing censorship!

If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your
computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an
anti virus program and run it on your computer.

If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the list
do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right
people, they may even share what they have already developed for this
process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)

There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which they
do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of a
message.

In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond to a
message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer use
of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and active.

So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess that
I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say no
loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and
when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship
prevents me from assisting you.

Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop
trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much of
NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list.
(NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)

Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that is
all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem.
A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!

"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)

Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527.
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> Hi. I think that this method is both better and more
> standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to
> text. I don't transmit in html anyway.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Georgina' <y>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > restricted to plain text only?
> >
> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> >
> > Gena
> >
> > Have your say:
> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >
> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
> > Personal Contact Details:
> > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I think the disabling of atachments will greatly hurt the list because we've
all had to atach a config file, text output, etc at some time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi
>
> I don't understand your strong response.  Surely its in the list owner's
> interest to protect himself of accusations of being a spreader of
> viruses.  I know from personal experience.  BASHOnline was set up right
> >from the beginning to forward only plain text messages and deny the
> forwarding of attachments.  Gordon Keen announced on the accessuk list
> that I allowed the spreading of viruses which has had a devostating
> effect upon the list.
>
> There's no justification of html messages on this list that I can think
> of as we're discussing speech access to GNU/Linux interface.  How do you
> gain from sending or receiving html messages?  Please enlighten me.
>
>
> Gena
>
>
>
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>
> >No way!
> >
> >Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> >lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
> >
> >Just my opinion!
> >
> >
> >Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> >The City of Calgary
> > Web Business Office #8300
> > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
> >Phone: (403) 268-5527
> >Fax:   (403)  268-6423
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> >
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entity=20
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> >person
> >responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended=20
> >recipient, YOU ARE  HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or=20
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> >> Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> >> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> Hi All
> >>=20
> >> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> >> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> >> restricted to plain text only?
> >>=20
> >> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> >>=20
> >> Gena
> >>=20
> >> Have your say:
> >> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> >>=20
> >> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> >> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >>=20
> >> Personal Contact Details:
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

I don't understand your strong response.  Surely its in the list owner's
interest to protect himself of accusations of being a spreader of
viruses.  I know from personal experience.  BASHOnline was set up right
from the beginning to forward only plain text messages and deny the
forwarding of attachments.  Gordon Keen announced on the accessuk list
that I allowed the spreading of viruses which has had a devostating
effect upon the list.

There's no justification of html messages on this list that I can think
of as we're discussing speech access to GNU/Linux interface.  How do you
gain from sending or receiving html messages?  Please enlighten me.


Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>No way!
>
>Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
>lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
>
>Just my opinion!
>
>
>Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
>The City of Calgary
>	Web Business Office #8300
>	PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
>	Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
>Phone: (403) 268-5527
>Fax:   (403)  268-6423
>Email: stephen.dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca >
>Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
>
>FOIPP NOTIFICATION
>This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity=20
>named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally=20
>privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a
>person
>responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended=20
>recipient, YOU ARE  HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or=20
>copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it=20
>is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
>error,
>please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete
>this
>communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us.
>
>Thank you for your attention and co-operation.=20
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
>> Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
>> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi All
>>=20
>> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>> restricted to plain text only?
>>=20
>> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>>=20
>> Gena
>>=20
>> Have your say:
>> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>>=20
>> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>>=20
>> Personal Contact Details:
>> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>=20
>
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Raul A. Gallegos]

http://www.grisoft.com

Gregory Nowak said the following on Tue, May 14,
2002 at 04:32:30PM -0500:
> The problem with getting antivirus software is that there is no freeware antivirus software. In addition to paying for such software, some company's such as Mcafee expect you to pay for engine and dat file upgrades after a year.
> 
> Second, URLs are perfectly accessible in plain-text messages.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:04:54PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > All you are doing is introducing censorship! 
> > 
> > If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an anti virus program and run it on your computer. 
> > 
> > If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right people, they may even share what they have already developed for this process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
> > 
> > There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of a message.
> > 
> > In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and active.
> > 
> > So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship prevents me from assisting you.
> > 
> > Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much of NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list. 
> > (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
> > 
> > Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem. 
> > A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
> > 
> > "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
> > 
> > Steve Dawes
> > PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
> > Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more 
> > > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to 
> > > text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi All
> > > > 
> > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > 
> > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > 
> > > > Gena
> > > > 
> > > > Have your say:
> > > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > > 
> > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > 
> > > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Who cares.

Bottom line it's up to the end user to do what he or she needs to do so
their computer is safe.  If that means don't use windows to avoid
viruses or if it means get a good antivirus program then do what you
need to do.

I mainly use linux to read and write emails but for those times that i
use windows i have an antivirus.

Wht I feel about html vs text emails is beside the point.


Gregory Nowak said the following on Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:28:03PM -0500:
> Wasn't it originally macroslop's idea that html and e-mail were one and the same?
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:54:49PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated. There should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet. 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > 
> > 
> > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi All
> > > 
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > 
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > 
> > > Gena
> > > 
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > 
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > 
> > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way will promptly develop.
Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

The problem with getting antivirus software is that there is no freeware antivirus software. In addition to paying for such software, some company's such as Mcafee expect you to pay for engine and dat file upgrades after a year.

Second, URLs are perfectly accessible in plain-text messages.
Greg


On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:04:54PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> All you are doing is introducing censorship! 
> 
> If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an anti virus program and run it on your computer. 
> 
> If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right people, they may even share what they have already developed for this process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)
> 
> There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of a message.
> 
> In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and active.
> 
> So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship prevents me from assisting you.
> 
> Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much of NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list. 
> (NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)
> 
> Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem. 
> A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!
> 
> "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)
> 
> Steve Dawes
> PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
> Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> > Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > 
> > 
> > Hi. I think that this method is both better and more 
> > standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to 
> > text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: 'Georgina' <y>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi All
> > > 
> > > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > 
> > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > 
> > > Gena
> > > 
> > > Have your say:
> > > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > > 
> > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > 
> > > Personal Contact Details:
> > > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi

Sorry, but you do.  It is messages of yours that I frequently don't read
as you send them in html format.

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>I think that's OK since I don't use any formatting crap or anything that
>requires html in my messages.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
>Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
>> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
>> restricted to plain text only?
>>
>> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>>
>> Gena
>>
>> Have your say:
>> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>>
>> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
>> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>>
>> Personal Contact Details:
>> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

Ok, my messages are now in plane text.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their messages
to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain text, I
wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated. There should be a
difference between the web and the rest of the internet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I wouldn't
mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in html anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi All
>
> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> restricted to plain text only?
>
> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>
> Gena
>
> Have your say:
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>
> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
> Personal Contact Details:
> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

Wasn't it originally macroslop's idea that html and e-mail were one and the same?
Greg


On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:54:49PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated. There should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > Hi All
> > 
> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > restricted to plain text only?
> > 
> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Have your say:
> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > 
> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > 
> > Personal Contact Details:
> > E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

Uhhm, to which message were you replying?
Greg


On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:17:19PM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> nope.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Dawes, Stephen]

All you are doing is introducing censorship! 

If you are a windows user for reading your mail, and don't want your computer attacked with every virus that happens down the wire, then get an anti virus program and run it on your computer. 

If you don't like HTML in in your messages, do like some members of the list do, and right a process to strip it off. In fact, if you ask the right people, they may even share what they have already developed for this process. (No, I am not the one using a stripping process.)

There are reasons for people to have their format set the way in which they do, and I don't think that a list should be censoring the formatting of a message.

In my case, the corporate standard is to have the email client respond to a message in the same format that it was sent in. They would also prefer use of html so that any url's sent in a message are easily accessed, and active.

So, if you choose to implement such a form of censorship, then I guess that I will be dropped from the list automatically. Yes some of you will say no loss, but then I guess I would no longer be able to help those where and when I can. To those people, I will say sorry in advance, list censorship prevents me from assisting you.

Come on, folks, take some responsibility for your own set ups, and stop trying to pass off the responsibility on to some else. There is too much of NIMBY in the world today to have it show up here on the list. 
(NIMBY, Not In My BackYard!)

Frankly, I am tired of hearing about the email formatting woes, and that is all this thread is about, when you dig down to the bottom of the problem. 
A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf!

"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!" (Dennis Miller)

Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Igor Gueths [mailto:igueths@attbi.com]
> Sent: 2002 May 14 2:10 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> Hi. I think that this method is both better and more 
> standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to 
> text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 'Georgina' <y>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > Hi All
> > 
> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > restricted to plain text only?
> > 
> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Have your say:
> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > 
> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > 
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi all. I think that it is peoples' responsibility to change their messages to plain text, but even if the list were restricted to plain text, I wouldn't mind. Also, e-mail and html should be separated. There should be a difference between the web and the rest of the internet. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Igor Gueths <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi All
> 
> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> restricted to plain text only?
> 
> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Have your say:
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> 
> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> 
> Personal Contact Details:
> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Erik Heil]

Well, this is true, but it seems like a lot of people don't take
responsibility to ensure that their messages are in plain text.  The
scripting idea would only possibly be used as a last resort.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Why should it be up to the listowner to do this.  Why can't people
> just be responsible?
>
> Is every one too lazy to change their client to plain text?
>
> Erik Heil
> said the following on Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:01:42PM -0400:
> > I totally agree.  I vote for plain text instead of HTML.  If this
becomes a
> > problem in the future, it wouldn't be hard at all to implement a perl
script
> > that stripts all HTML tags from incoming messages.  Such a script would
> > obviously be implemented through Mailman.
> > Erik heil eheil@rcn.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:52 PM
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Count me on Gena's side.  Email is text and should never be confused
> > > with the web.  The web is not a synonym for The Internet, much as some
> > > people would like to have you believe.
> > >
> > > I vote for text only.  If you're a windows user, become an expert and
> > > send in plain text, please!
> > >
> > > Ann P.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ann K. Parsons
> > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
lost."
> > JRRT
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

I already changed outcrap express send in plain text. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi all,
> 
> Yeh, Steve, but they don't.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Why should it be up to the listowner to do this.  Why can't people
just be responsible?

Is every one too lazy to change their client to plain text?

Erik Heil
said the following on Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:01:42PM -0400:
> I totally agree.  I vote for plain text instead of HTML.  If this becomes a
> problem in the future, it wouldn't be hard at all to implement a perl script
> that stripts all HTML tags from incoming messages.  Such a script would
> obviously be implemented through Mailman.
> Erik heil eheil@rcn.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:52 PM
> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Count me on Gena's side.  Email is text and should never be confused
> > with the web.  The web is not a synonym for The Internet, much as some
> > people would like to have you believe.
> >
> > I vote for text only.  If you're a windows user, become an expert and
> > send in plain text, please!
> >
> > Ann P.
> >
> > --
> > Ann K. Parsons
> > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
> JRRT
> >
> >
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> >
> 
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Igor Gueths]

Hi. I think that this method is both better and more standard. I wouldn't mind if messages were restricted to text. I don't transmit in html anyway. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 'Georgina' <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi All
> 
> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> restricted to plain text only?
> 
> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Have your say:
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> 
> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> 
> Personal Contact Details:
> E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465
> 
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Erik Heil]

I totally agree.  I vote for plain text instead of HTML.  If this becomes a
problem in the future, it wouldn't be hard at all to implement a perl script
that stripts all HTML tags from incoming messages.  Such a script would
obviously be implemented through Mailman.
Erik heil eheil@rcn.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:52 PM
Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi all,
>
> Count me on Gena's side.  Email is text and should never be confused
> with the web.  The web is not a synonym for The Internet, much as some
> people would like to have you believe.
>
> I vote for text only.  If you're a windows user, become an expert and
> send in plain text, please!
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
>
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RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Yeh, Steve, but they don't.

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Count me on Gena's side.  Email is text and should never be confused
with the web.  The web is not a synonym for The Internet, much as some
people would like to have you believe.

I vote for text only.  If you're a windows user, become an expert and
send in plain text, please!

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[David Poehlman]

nope.

Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Gregory Nowak]

No way. Windblows users should set their mail clients to send mail in plain text (grin).
Greg


On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:57:09PM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> No way!
> 
> Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
> lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.
> 
> Just my opinion!
> 
> 
> Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> The City of Calgary
> 	Web Business Office #8300
> 	PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.
> 	Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> > Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > 
> > 
> > Hi All
> > 
> > Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> > restricted to plain text only?
> > 
> > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Have your say:
> > Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> > 
> > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > 
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Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Alex Snow]

I think that's OK since I don't use any formatting crap or anything that
requires html in my messages.
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Georgina'" <gena@gena-j.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'


> Hi All
>
> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> restricted to plain text only?
>
> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
>
> Gena
>
> Have your say:
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
>
> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
> Personal Contact Details:
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RE: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

[Dawes, Stephen]

No way!

Windows users should employ a anti virus strategy. The responsibility
lies with the recipient of the mail, and not the list service.

Just my opinion!


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Georgina' [mailto:gena@gena-j.net]
> Sent: 2002 May 14 12:48 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> 
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
> viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
> restricted to plain text only?
> 
> The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Have your say:
> Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org
> 
> Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> 
> Personal Contact Details:
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Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

['Georgina']

Hi All

Because of the use of html messages being used to transmit Windows
viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list messages
restricted to plain text only?

The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.

Gena

Have your say:
Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Personal Contact Details:
E-mail: gena@gena-j.net WWW: http://www.gena-j.net ICQ: 144169465