distributions for X

distributions for X

[Kelly Prescott]

Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively
best with the XWindows system?
I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I
want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along.
Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it.
You can reply off-list to me if you want.
Thanks.
-- Kelly Prescott

Re: distributions for X

[G.E.]

Kelly,
Just what do you do with x windows?
I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain 
it, but I still really don't understand it.
Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it.
But wikipedia did say this about accessibility:
" Computer accessibility related issues
Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that 
make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right 
click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11 
clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with 
accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no 
accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11 
standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known 
ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the 
future.

"
Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used.
Thanks.

Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelly Prescott" <prescott@deltav.org>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: distributions for X


Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively
best with the XWindows system?
I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I
want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along.
Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it.
You can reply off-list to me if you want.
Thanks.
-- Kelly Prescott


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Re: distributions for X

[Liz Hare]

Hi Kelly,

X is not accessible with speech. If you want a multitasking/windowing 
environment, you might want to check out the Gnome system with the Orca 
screen reader. I haven't used it yet, but it's webpage is here:
http://live.gnome.org/Orca

Liz

Liz Hare PhD
Dog Genetics LLC
doggene@earthlink.net
http://www.doggenetics.com

On 9/27/2011 9:35 PM, G.E. wrote:
> Kelly,
> Just what do you do with x windows?
> I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain
> it, but I still really don't understand it.
> Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it.
> But wikipedia did say this about accessibility:
> " Computer accessibility related issues
> Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that
> make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right
> click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11
> clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with
> accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no
> accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11
> standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known
> ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the
> future.
>
> "
> Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used.
> Thanks.
>
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelly Prescott"<prescott@deltav.org>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM
> Subject: distributions for X
>
>
> Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively
> best with the XWindows system?
> I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I
> want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along.
> Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it.
> You can reply off-list to me if you want.
> Thanks.
> -- Kelly Prescott
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: distributions for X

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  Try a Ubutu live cd.  Just follow the instructions to enable accessibility,
and have fun.  I'd say it's easy to get a gui setup running in Debian as well,
but I've been running gnome for years now.
This mail was written in a terminal window of my gnome session.

          Kenny

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:08:53PM -0400, Kelly Prescott wrote:
> Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively
> best with the XWindows system?
> I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I
> want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along.
> Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it.
> You can reply off-list to me if you want.
> Thanks.
> -- Kelly Prescott
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: distributions for X

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  Sounds like someone needs to update that article.
At-spi is now the accessibility standard for most x-windows desktops.  That allows the
orca screen reader to provide access.  There are also programs to help with other disabilities.

          kenny

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 08:35:58PM -0500, G.E. wrote:
> Kelly,
> Just what do you do with x windows?
> I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain 
> it, but I still really don't understand it.
> Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it.
> But wikipedia did say this about accessibility:
> " Computer accessibility related issues
> Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that 
> make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right 
> click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11 
> clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with 
> accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no 
> accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11 
> standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known 
> ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the 
> future.
> 
> "
> Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used.
> Thanks.
> 
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kelly Prescott" <prescott@deltav.org>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM
> Subject: distributions for X
> 
> 
> Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively
> best with the XWindows system?
> I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I
> want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along.
> Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it.
> You can reply off-list to me if you want.
> Thanks.
> -- Kelly Prescott
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: distributions for X

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi. Not true.  Since X is just the drivers for screen video card, keyboard, and pointing device:
desktops like gnome and kde are x-windows.
Sighted users don't just install and use x-windows.  They install a desktop that uses x-windows for low level
hardware support.

          Kenny

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:03:30PM -0400, Liz Hare wrote:
> Hi Kelly,
> 
> X is not accessible with speech. If you want a
> multitasking/windowing environment, you might want to check out the
> Gnome system with the Orca screen reader. I haven't used it yet, but
> it's webpage is here:
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca
> 
> Liz
> 
> Liz Hare PhD
> Dog Genetics LLC
> doggene@earthlink.net
> http://www.doggenetics.com
> 
> On 9/27/2011 9:35 PM, G.E. wrote:
> >Kelly,
> >Just what do you do with x windows?
> >I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain
> >it, but I still really don't understand it.
> >Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it.
> >But wikipedia did say this about accessibility:
> >" Computer accessibility related issues
> >Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that
> >make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right
> >click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11
> >clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with
> >accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no
> >accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11
> >standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known
> >ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the
> >future.
> >
> >"
> >Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used.
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Glenn
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kelly Prescott"<prescott@deltav.org>
> >To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> ><speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM
> >Subject: distributions for X
> >
> >
> >Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively
> >best with the XWindows system?
> >I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I
> >want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along.
> >Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it.
> >You can reply off-list to me if you want.
> >Thanks.
> >-- Kelly Prescott
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: distributions for X

[Kenny Hitt]

Sorry for replying to myself.  I realized I didn't actually answer your
question.  That's what I get for replying without enough coffee yet.
I use my X session for access to firefox and LibreOffice.
LibreOffice allows me to work with Windows users easily while firefox gives me access to current web technology.

          Kenny

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:32:52PM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi.  Sounds like someone needs to update that article.
> At-spi is now the accessibility standard for most x-windows desktops.  That allows the
> orca screen reader to provide access.  There are also programs to help with other disabilities.
> 
>           kenny
> 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 08:35:58PM -0500, G.E. wrote:
> > Kelly,
> > Just what do you do with x windows?
> > I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain 
> > it, but I still really don't understand it.
> > Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it.
> > But wikipedia did say this about accessibility:
> > " Computer accessibility related issues
> > Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that 
> > make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right 
> > click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11 
> > clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with 
> > accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no 
> > accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11 
> > standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known 
> > ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the 
> > future.
> > 
> > "
> > Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used.
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Glenn
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Kelly Prescott" <prescott@deltav.org>
> > To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM
> > Subject: distributions for X
> > 
> > 
> > Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively
> > best with the XWindows system?
> > I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I
> > want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along.
> > Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it.
> > You can reply off-list to me if you want.
> > Thanks.
> > -- Kelly Prescott
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: distributions for X

[Kelly Prescott]

Thanks. I will give ubuntu a try

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Kenny Hitt <hittsjunk@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.  Try a Ubutu live cd.  Just follow the instructions to enable accessibility,
> and have fun.  I'd say it's easy to get a gui setup running in Debian as well,
> but I've been running gnome for years now.
> This mail was written in a terminal window of my gnome session.
>
>          Kenny
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:08:53PM -0400, Kelly Prescott wrote:
>> Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively
>> best with the XWindows system?
>> I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I
>> want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along.
>> Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it.
>> You can reply off-list to me if you want.
>> Thanks.
>> -- Kelly Prescott
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: distributions for X

[Doug Smith]

Ok, I am using a terminal in my X session as well.  I am 
actually using mutt which I like to use in text mode.  I 
like text mode much more than graphical.  I use graphical 
for those times when someone wants a document in a 
window$-specific format, for watching videos, for watching 
tv and for current web technologies.  

I use a distro called Vinux which gives you a great choice 
of which mode to use.  It is much easier to deal with than 
starting a ubuntu live cd and mucking around in 
inaccessible-world until you can get all that started.  Try 
this: 

http://www.vinuxproject.org

I think you will be pleased with it. 



Sincerely: 



Doug Smith