* distributions for X @ Kelly Prescott ` G.E. ` Kenny Hitt 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Kelly Prescott @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively best with the XWindows system? I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along. Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it. You can reply off-list to me if you want. Thanks. -- Kelly Prescott ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: distributions for X distributions for X Kelly Prescott @ ` G.E. ` Liz Hare ` Kenny Hitt ` Kenny Hitt 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: G.E. @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Kelly, Just what do you do with x windows? I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain it, but I still really don't understand it. Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it. But wikipedia did say this about accessibility: " Computer accessibility related issues Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11 clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11 standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the future. " Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used. Thanks. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Prescott" <prescott@deltav.org> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM Subject: distributions for X Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively best with the XWindows system? I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along. Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it. You can reply off-list to me if you want. Thanks. -- Kelly Prescott _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: distributions for X ` G.E. @ ` Liz Hare ` Kenny Hitt ` Kenny Hitt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Liz Hare @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Kelly, X is not accessible with speech. If you want a multitasking/windowing environment, you might want to check out the Gnome system with the Orca screen reader. I haven't used it yet, but it's webpage is here: http://live.gnome.org/Orca Liz Liz Hare PhD Dog Genetics LLC doggene@earthlink.net http://www.doggenetics.com On 9/27/2011 9:35 PM, G.E. wrote: > Kelly, > Just what do you do with x windows? > I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain > it, but I still really don't understand it. > Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it. > But wikipedia did say this about accessibility: > " Computer accessibility related issues > Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that > make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right > click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11 > clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with > accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no > accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11 > standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known > ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the > future. > > " > Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used. > Thanks. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Prescott"<prescott@deltav.org> > To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM > Subject: distributions for X > > > Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively > best with the XWindows system? > I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I > want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along. > Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it. > You can reply off-list to me if you want. > Thanks. > -- Kelly Prescott > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: distributions for X ` Liz Hare @ ` Kenny Hitt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi. Not true. Since X is just the drivers for screen video card, keyboard, and pointing device: desktops like gnome and kde are x-windows. Sighted users don't just install and use x-windows. They install a desktop that uses x-windows for low level hardware support. Kenny On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:03:30PM -0400, Liz Hare wrote: > Hi Kelly, > > X is not accessible with speech. If you want a > multitasking/windowing environment, you might want to check out the > Gnome system with the Orca screen reader. I haven't used it yet, but > it's webpage is here: > http://live.gnome.org/Orca > > Liz > > Liz Hare PhD > Dog Genetics LLC > doggene@earthlink.net > http://www.doggenetics.com > > On 9/27/2011 9:35 PM, G.E. wrote: > >Kelly, > >Just what do you do with x windows? > >I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain > >it, but I still really don't understand it. > >Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it. > >But wikipedia did say this about accessibility: > >" Computer accessibility related issues > >Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that > >make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right > >click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11 > >clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with > >accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no > >accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11 > >standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known > >ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the > >future. > > > >" > >Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used. > >Thanks. > > > >Glenn > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kelly Prescott"<prescott@deltav.org> > >To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" > ><speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM > >Subject: distributions for X > > > > > >Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively > >best with the XWindows system? > >I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I > >want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along. > >Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it. > >You can reply off-list to me if you want. > >Thanks. > >-- Kelly Prescott > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: distributions for X ` G.E. ` Liz Hare @ ` Kenny Hitt ` Kenny Hitt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi. Sounds like someone needs to update that article. At-spi is now the accessibility standard for most x-windows desktops. That allows the orca screen reader to provide access. There are also programs to help with other disabilities. kenny On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 08:35:58PM -0500, G.E. wrote: > Kelly, > Just what do you do with x windows? > I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain > it, but I still really don't understand it. > Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it. > But wikipedia did say this about accessibility: > " Computer accessibility related issues > Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that > make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right > click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11 > clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with > accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no > accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11 > standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known > ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the > future. > > " > Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used. > Thanks. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Prescott" <prescott@deltav.org> > To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM > Subject: distributions for X > > > Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively > best with the XWindows system? > I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I > want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along. > Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it. > You can reply off-list to me if you want. > Thanks. > -- Kelly Prescott > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: distributions for X ` Kenny Hitt @ ` Kenny Hitt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Sorry for replying to myself. I realized I didn't actually answer your question. That's what I get for replying without enough coffee yet. I use my X session for access to firefox and LibreOffice. LibreOffice allows me to work with Windows users easily while firefox gives me access to current web technology. Kenny On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:32:52PM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi. Sounds like someone needs to update that article. > At-spi is now the accessibility standard for most x-windows desktops. That allows the > orca screen reader to provide access. There are also programs to help with other disabilities. > > kenny > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 08:35:58PM -0500, G.E. wrote: > > Kelly, > > Just what do you do with x windows? > > I saw your post and looked it up on the web, and wikipedia tried to explain > > it, but I still really don't understand it. > > Sounds like it is a server for terminals, but I don't quite get it. > > But wikipedia did say this about accessibility: > > " Computer accessibility related issues > > Systems built upon the X windowing system may have accessibility issues that > > make utilization of a computer difficult for disabled users, including right > > click, double click, middle click, mouseover, and focus stealing. Some X11 > > clients deal with accessibility issues better than others, so those with > > accessibility problems are not locked out of using X11. However there is no > > accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for X11. Within the X11 > > standards process there is no working group on accessibility, so the known > > ongoing accessibility problems are probably going to persist into the > > future. > > > > " > > Anyway, I would be curios as to how it can be used. > > Thanks. > > > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelly Prescott" <prescott@deltav.org> > > To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:08 PM > > Subject: distributions for X > > > > > > Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively > > best with the XWindows system? > > I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I > > want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along. > > Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it. > > You can reply off-list to me if you want. > > Thanks. > > -- Kelly Prescott > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: distributions for X distributions for X Kelly Prescott ` G.E. @ ` Kenny Hitt ` Kelly Prescott 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi. Try a Ubutu live cd. Just follow the instructions to enable accessibility, and have fun. I'd say it's easy to get a gui setup running in Debian as well, but I've been running gnome for years now. This mail was written in a terminal window of my gnome session. Kenny On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:08:53PM -0400, Kelly Prescott wrote: > Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively > best with the XWindows system? > I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I > want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along. > Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it. > You can reply off-list to me if you want. > Thanks. > -- Kelly Prescott > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: distributions for X ` Kenny Hitt @ ` Kelly Prescott ` Doug Smith 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Kelly Prescott @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thanks. I will give ubuntu a try Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Kenny Hitt <hittsjunk@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi. Try a Ubutu live cd. Just follow the instructions to enable accessibility, > and have fun. I'd say it's easy to get a gui setup running in Debian as well, > but I've been running gnome for years now. > This mail was written in a terminal window of my gnome session. > > Kenny > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:08:53PM -0400, Kelly Prescott wrote: >> Can any one here give me information about which distributions work natively >> best with the XWindows system? >> I have used speakup and text for years, and dos terminals before that, but I >> want to give the X screen readers a try to see how they are moving along. >> Is there a out-of-the-box solution, or do I have to muck around with it. >> You can reply off-list to me if you want. >> Thanks. >> -- Kelly Prescott >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: distributions for X ` Kelly Prescott @ ` Doug Smith 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Doug Smith @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Ok, I am using a terminal in my X session as well. I am actually using mutt which I like to use in text mode. I like text mode much more than graphical. I use graphical for those times when someone wants a document in a window$-specific format, for watching videos, for watching tv and for current web technologies. I use a distro called Vinux which gives you a great choice of which mode to use. It is much easier to deal with than starting a ubuntu live cd and mucking around in inaccessible-world until you can get all that started. Try this: http://www.vinuxproject.org I think you will be pleased with it. Sincerely: Doug Smith ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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